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external links[edit]

In April 2014 you removed a link to http://www.british-sign.co.uk/british-sign-language/dictionary/%7Ctitle=BSL Sign Language Illustrated Dictionary) The link was added again recently and on Sunday 18th Jan when adding a new link to a university based free dictionary I removed the above only for it to be immediately reinstated by Sladen. Can I check if policy regarding external links to commercial sites has been changed please? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.4.89.235 (talk) 20:21, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

NuGet article - notability issues[edit]

Hello Mr Ollie - Can you clarify why you feel NuGet doesn't meet WP:NOTE? Teh klev (talk) 17:18, 3 February 2015 (UTC)

It references no independent sources. - MrOllie (talk) 10:51, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

List of code review tools[edit]

can you explain why you reverted my edit on List of tools for code review? Both tools I added are valid and I went through the process of digging through their websites to identify the list of repositories they support as well as languages and pre/post commit support for code reviews. I read the talk page there and someone else suggested that the page is only a list of 'notable code review tools' and while this may be true there is nothing on the article suggesting this and both systems I added are in wide use and notable they just don't have their own wikipedia page yet. Several weeks ago I was looking into possible code review tools and the first result in my research was always this wikipedia list page, however because it is incomplete I missed several possibilities that I could have investigated. This is what prompted me to add them to the list page. Thanks! Randyaa (talk) 22:10, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

Allow me to quote the giant yellow text box that appeared when you edited that article: 'When editing this list bear in mind that the same notability criteria apply here as elsewhere in Wikipedia: entries with no reliable independent reliable sources listed either here or in other Wikipedia articles may not be notable, and are likely to be removed. The software developer's own website is not an independent source.' - MrOllie (talk) 15:14, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
There are 148,000 results for ["kiln code review"] which one would you like to use? Instead of being so harsh with your responses and edits, perhaps a small comment and some time to allow us to find a reference would be appropriate? Wikipedia doesn't need to be such a hostile place. Randyaa (talk) 13:51, 10 March 2015 (UTC)
Most google hits are not suitable sources. I suggest you have a look at the notability and the sourcing guidelines and write the article first. - MrOllie (talk) 18:49, 11 March 2015 (UTC)
Would [Evolution, Part 1: DVCS as Code Review] & [Evolution, Part 2: From Prototype to Beta] work? they clearly discuss the fact that Kiln is a code review tool and describe how they came about. Randyaa (talk) 12:54, 12 March 2015 (UTC)
No, it is not independently written, and it is a self published blog, both of which disqualify it it terms of establishing notability. I strongly suggest that you read the guidelines I linked above, as well as our guideline on conflict of interest and Wikipedia's terms of use. - MrOllie (talk) 14:23, 12 March 2015 (UTC)

What's wrong with the reference I added? It's a published book. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Garethx (talkcontribs) 19:08, 11 March 2015 (UTC)

It doesn't discuss the software in any detail - an entry in a bullet point list isn't sufficient. - MrOllie (talk) 19:53, 11 March 2015 (UTC)

You are clearly misinterpreting Wikipedia's policy on this matter. Read WP:LISTN in its whole entirety, it does not say that that every item needs to have an article, but that is just one form of selection criteria. You are purposely misinterpreting an optional style as a set rule, while such optional styles need to first be explicitly stated in an introduction to the list and only after a consensus is reached on the talk page WP:MOS#STYLEVAR. You seem to claim ownership of the page WP:OWN and instead of trying to finding a consensus, you are engaging in a slow edit war with other editors WP:EDITWAR. Dlpkbr (talk) 08:19, 26 March 2015 (UTC)

I am hardly alone in this 'misinterpretation', consider the contents of Wikipedia:Write the article first. - MrOllie (talk) 10:35, 26 March 2015 (UTC)

RhodeCode[edit]

Hi MrOllie. I did a through job of updating the RhodeCode page as an independent. This is my first ever wikipedia edit and I am proud of it. I fixed several errors and cleaned up the text. I don't know what beef you have with these guys but note this is a project I took on as independent user of their tool. For you just to delete everything speaks volumes about your impartiality. If you have a specific issue with something I wrote there than call it out or ask me a question but its not right you just trash someones useful effort toward making Wikipedia better. And there were errors on the page that needed to be fixed and stuff that didn't belong there. I fixed all of that. I was planning to do more of these types of edits on tools I use so so I can contribute back to a site which has helped me so much. So if there is something specific than tell me as good feedback toward my effort. All you did was trash the whole edit. On the other hand if you are one of those guys who just likes crapping on everything so be it. But note that when you do this you just make people not want to contribute. That is exactly how I feel right now. Congratulations if that was your intent. If not than tell me specifically how I can improve my edits and make contributions to Wikipedia. Karen (----) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Karensage (talkcontribs) 16:42, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

What you did was replace the page with a PR puff piece, removing all mention of the licensing problems and adding unsourced commentary like 'used by market sector leaders in over 80 countries and 10,000 users to measurably increase software development productivity' Wikipedia articles must be written neutrally, not as advertisements. We can't have that, especially on an article that has a history of being edited by company employees. - MrOllie (talk) 17:04, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

As i mentioned I do not work for RhodeCode. I am a user of their tools. I will source the user stuff as I did pull it from a PR or remove it as it sounds like you would prefer. The licensing issue made no sense at all. There is no licensing issue on RhodeCode. So thank you for telling my why you had issue -- I do thank you for that. And that is helpful. I will make some fixes now. Partly I just went to another tools page Atlassian and copied their approach to writing the page. Thanks again, Karen (Karensage (talk) 17:11, 23 March 2015 (UTC))

The licensing issue makes a lot of sense to me - any time a GPL project turns proprietary it is a big deal, and AFAIK most of the independent writing about this company is actually about the licensing dispute. We can't simply remove it. - MrOllie (talk) 14:45, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

Re: WP:PROD on Atlassian Stash[edit]

Greetings - I just dropped the PROD tag you had added on the Stash article and replaced it with maintenance tags for single source and citations. I came to this article looking for info on when Stash was first released, which I feel is valuable information to have. Atlassian's other products have some pretty good writeups here, and it doesn't feel right to throw out the work that's been done on this one. Please message me if you want to talk :) KarunamonTalk 18:46, 25 March 2015 (UTC)