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Sorry[edit]

Excuse me. Just a moment I thought that you had merged those two sections and wanted to separate them. But I understood that I had made a mistake and reverted my edit. Thanks. Keivan.fTalk 15:06, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

@Keivan.f: That's ok, thanks for letting me know. —Msmarmalade (talk) 01:25, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

Persondata[edit]

Just running this by you, as you are the unofficial record keeper ;) According to Pasleim, he has finished the short description import into Wikidata, although I have left him a query as there seems to be a few that were missed. Based on my work, I do not want anything else imported - there are more reliable templates to extract the data from. My conclusion is that Wikidata no longer requires Persondata and is no longer relevant to the Persondata debate. When Pasleim responds next week, I will produce some figures and try to get a consensus on Wikidata no longer needing Persondata.

I would like to keep the debate in easy bite size pieces, so I think the next step should be to ascertain if anyone or anything does actually use the Persondata template. I suggest an RfC "Do you use Persondata" emphasising that it is not a debate for its removal. The outcome will decide the next steps. Periglio (talk) 18:30, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

@Periglio: Thanks for the heads up! Sorry I've taken so long to respond; I've been busy with uni and such. I've updated my page now. I think an RfC is a good idea, like you say, to ask who actually uses the template. However, from previous discussions (mainly the RfC) I think only 2 or 3 people were actually using the template and you were one of them. It might be better to nest that question within a bigger RfC, rather than trying to hook people into multiple RfCs. (But it'll still be good to demonstrate that almost no-body uses it)
Then, since the rest of the RfC was basically Wikipedia being reluctant to outright delete data en-mass, it might be good to should show that the information itself isn't worth keeping or importing since it's so unreliable. Maybe include your analysis and the problems that have been raised in various discussions. Here's Pigsonthewing's page from a while ago that might be useful (link). And here's what I've got on my page:
  • Problems with name sorting - formatting guidelines not always followed, and there are also names like "Otto von Bismarck" or "Martin Luther King Jr" which are often mislabeled. (link, link)
  • Problems with date format - again, formatting, also dates before a certain time are unreliable as Gregorian and Julian formats are indistinguishable (link). Also, dates rarely have references (link)
  • Problems with location disambiguation - formatting and when there is no link markup, or too much link markup (link, link, link)
  • Short Description appears to be the only data field with no major complaints (and has been mostly copied over to Wikidata by PLbot except for some technical difficulties (link))
In the long run, we want to aim to stop adding new Persondata, then methodically delete Persondata. The TfD already deprecated the template, and AWB have said they'll remove it from the AWB code "when the communities are ready" (link). So we basically just need confirmation (from more than the 4 users of the TfD).
Msmarmalade (talk) 04:37, 14 April 2015 (UTC)
@Periglio: It occurred to me that I could probably write up an RfC draft instead of waiting for someone else to do it. Here it is — I'd appreciate any advice.—Msmarmalade (talk) 11:35, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
It looks good, but could you give me over the weekend to think about it. My immediate comment is that it needs a why we should keep Persondata paragraph to balance the faults paragraph, although it would probably be a short paragraph! Periglio (talk) 19:20, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
Thanks, I've added a little section, although I can't think of any real positives :P. —Msmarmalade (talk) 01:49, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
I took the liberty of referring to the closure of the wikidata bot request and adding the tick to emphasise the point that Wikidata has finished copying the data. I also added the question "are there wikidata bots still using Persondata for new and revised articles". I suspect this happens, but I would like to confirm (and persuade them to use a more reliable source of data). Those points aside, I am happy with the document. Periglio (talk) 20:31, 26 April 2015 (UTC)

I have as question about this. If I create a new biographical article, I no longer need to add the {{PersonData}} template. Correct? Wikidata will parse the article. Hawkeye7 (talk) 10:51, 30 May 2015 (UTC)

@Hawkeye7: Yep, that's what the RfC indicates (though there might be a little delay until the official deprecation notices appear on Template:Persondata and associated pages). Regarding wikidata, you can try adding the relevant information to the infobox, and eventually a bot should port it to wikidata, or you can enter the data yourself into wikidata. I'm not an expert on the process, so I'd ask at Wikipedia talk:Persondata if you have any further concerns. Thanks, —Msmarmalade (talk) 11:52, 30 May 2015 (UTC)
I have more powerful software at my disposal that the wikidata people do. The infobox cannot be used, as ArbCom have ruled it purely optional, although at MilHist we've established a local consensus in favour of their use. The only field that it might not be able to extract from the article text is the alternate names. This mainly affects the biographies of women, who traditionally changed their names and titles when they married. Hawkeye7 (talk) 20:35, 30 May 2015 (UTC)
@Hawkeye7: As I said, I'm not an expert; my understanding comes largely from other editors' conversations. When it comes to bots and parsing, I'm out of my depth. Your input would be welcome at the ongoing discussion at Wikipedia talk:Persondata. Thanks, —Msmarmalade (talk) 03:04, 31 May 2015 (UTC)

Meaning of RfC[edit]

Wiki-lawyering over the meaning of the RfC is futile; it's utterly unambiguous: "Consensus is to deprecate and remove", not "Consensus is to deprecate and talk about removing at some point in the future" Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:24, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

Replied at Wikipedia talk:PersondataMsmarmalade (talk) 13:46, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

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Hisako Kanemoto[edit]

Take a break, my friend. I'll do most of the voicing for Hisako Kanemoto. If several of them had been un-sourced, just ref it to her profile site. I reality I had by own account called User:Zero stylinx but I choose to become that of a normal wikipedia reader since I think of users like you guys are more advanced. However, I do in need of assistant in that page.

60.49.111.178 (talk) 05:59, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for your work on the article, you're doing a terrific job so far as I can see. I don't have time to work extensively on the article right now, but I'll take a look when I do have time. Thanks again! —Msmarmalade (talk) 06:19, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

BLP sources[edit]

Instead of tagging all those seiyuu articles with a BLP sources tag, why not just add a general reference to Hitoshi Doi's seiyuu filmography website? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 13:52, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

@Narutolovehinata5: Thanks for your message. I'm not proficient in the using the Doi site (haven't even tried yet). And considering the vast number of unsourced seiyuu articles, I feel it would be a lot of work to go through and check which roles are actually on the site for every article I've come across.
I do feel kinda bad mass tagging articles, since it feels like I'm just making work for other editors (and expanding the list that AngusWOOF has been methodically reducing :S). But I also feel like the tags are useful and necessary in identifying the problem, so that we can go back and find articles. Otherwise problematic articles, particularly the lesser known seiyuu's, get lost in the woodwork (And there are SO many). I feel like the only other option is commenting out the whole filmography, which does fix the unsourced problem, but might make it difficult to identify later.
When I have more time, (and am not using Wikipedia to procrastinate from assignments :p) I'll take a look at the doi website and see what I can do for the tagged articles. I hope that's ok? —Msmarmalade (talk) 22:47, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
I would suggest adding the Doi database link: there are two ways to search, and both are shown in WP:ANIME/BIO. I also suggest adding GamePlaza-Haruka-. It's a very detailed database that's even better than Doi's, and it's considered a reliable source per WP:ANIME/RS. It's not perfect though, but it helps for most of the credits. Then you can tag {{More footnotes}} and it will go into a different bucket from {{BLP sources}}. If you see any voice actors you want to get the full filmography treatment, please let me know or post it on WP:ANIME/BIO and I'll focus on that person next. If you want to comment out the unsourced filmography or biography writeups in order to remove the tag, you can try that, but it might anger some editors. That would drastically reduce what needs cleanup though, and force people to have to write stuff up again. AngusWOOF (barksniff) 23:06, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
@AngusWOOF: Ah, ok. So, for example for Masaki Aizawa, the doi search didn't come up with an individual seiyuu page, but it came up with a bunch of roles here. In that case would I need to individually reference roles? or would I just add a reference to the doi main page? Also, how do I go about referencing the GamePlaza-Haruka- page? Could you possibly give me an example of where you've referenced them? —Msmarmalade (talk) 08:12, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
The minimal solution would be to put those two links at the bottom of the External links. If that's enough to get the tag off, then I would do that and move on, but if someone insists on BLP'ing more than that, then you'll have to add references for each entry. I did Doi references per entry over at Kikuko Inoue. Same with GamePlaza Haruka's VADB. The full treatment/overhaul would be something like what I did with Ami Koshimizu. AngusWOOF (barksniff) 14:35, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
@AngusWOOF: Are these two edits ok? Masaki Aizawa, Maaya SakamotoMsmarmalade (talk) 01:30, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
Yep, that works. That should get people to fill in footnotes.AngusWOOF (barksniff) 01:34, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for doing these. I noticed a big drop in the number of BLP sources articles we have to deal with now :) . Granted this pushes more into the More footnotes section but it doesn't make it as glaring a problem since people can check the GPH and Hitoshi Doi's database on roles. AngusWOOF (barksniff) 17:00, 27 October 2015 (UTC)
That's ok. The remaining bulk of articles in the tag are mainly manga artists or anime directors etc, which unfortunately aren't so straight forward.—Msmarmalade (talk) 03:30, 30 October 2015 (UTC)

Request[edit]

It's me again, Zero Stylinx. Even with several of the sources for Hisako Kanemoto's roles are now added, but what about those that had not sourced? After all, not every character that Hisako voiced are main or supporting. Sometimes, she voiced a character of the week but with that only proven in ending credits, that is cruel, since they can do it with some of English actors but Japanese can't.

Oh by the way, can you do me a favor with creating pages for several of the casts of Ultraman X? If you refuse, just say it, I'm not forcing you actually...

175.144.122.13 (talk) 08:11, 24 October 2015 (UTC)

If the roles are minor, and you can't find a reference, then they probably aren't notable enough to put in the article anyway. Regarding Ultraman X, I'm not sure what you're asking?—Msmarmalade (talk) 03:32, 30 October 2015 (UTC)

About the article Masachika Ichimura[edit]

Hello. I saw the template on the article Masachika Ichimura. Personally I really hope to introduce him and also think that it needs more citations. However many of them are written in Japanese, regrettably. --Ishinoak (talk) 03:28, 6 November 2015 (UTC)

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