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Hi Mz7, it seems like you're AFK on IRC. Are you able to hop on by any chance? Thanks, JustBerry (talk) 05:33, 26 May 2018 (UTC)

Responded. Face-smile.svg Mz7 (talk) 05:55, 26 May 2018 (UTC)

New essay idea[edit]

I had an idea for an essay earlier today, and I typed it out here: Wikipedia:Dealing with stress. To my talk page watchers, let me know if it's dumb, and feel free to add your own tips if you feel there's something I left out. Ultimately, I think this is targeted at editors who have been here for a while, but are just starting to branch out into some of the more confrontational areas of the project, such as ANI or controversial topic areas. It's also targeted at editors who feel so discouraged by the stress involved with participating here that they are considering leaving Wikipedia completely. The advice in the essay is probably things that most of us have heard a million times, and a lot of it is probably naive, but these are the words that I live by as I continue editing here, and I guess I wanted to share it with others. Mz7 (talk) 21:08, 27 May 2018 (UTC)

C-V Training[edit]


I see you have an available Student Slot Open for Counter-Vandalism training.

This is a cause I could see myself contributing to in the long term. I have a very strong technical background, I am a long time user of Wikipedia, and this seems like a great way to give back.

If you're willing, I would ask that you train me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Z3a1 (talkcontribs) 16:42, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

Hi Z3a1, welcome to Wikipedia! I noticed that you haven't edited Wikipedia using this account before. The course is designed for users with at least some amount of editing experience, so I would recommend that you spend some time and edit some articles yourself before taking this course. You can find more information about contributing at Wikipedia:Contributing to Wikipedia. Mz7 (talk) 17:11, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

Tech News: 2018-22[edit]

12:40, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

Seeking advice on a few articles![edit]

(P.S. I stopped by because I saw you were doing some cleanup work here and there.) Thanks, JustBerry (talk) 18:14, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

Continued: What do you think about this userpage? --JustBerry (talk) 18:22, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

@JustBerry: OK, I've deleted Draft:Celebrity Authentics and blocked the account for username violation. I've revision deleted the Molex edit you linked. I've blanked User talk:Masoudyous1723. We're generally fairly lenient on what users can have in their user sandboxes, since it is just a testing space for editing. Unless there is clear hate speech, I'm inclined to leave the other two alone. I would also leave Kh saeed lone's user page alone too. Doesn't seem too unrelated since it's currently just a user box (we allow a limited amount of autobiographical content on user pages, as long as it doesn't become a WP:FAKEARTICLE), though a note about the purpose of user pages might not hurt. Mz7 (talk) 18:29, 29 May 2018 (UTC)
I added Template:courtesy blank to User talk:Masoudyous1723. Left the sandboxes alone. I put a quick message on Kh saeed lone's talk page. Thanks, Mz7! Regards, JustBerry (talk) 18:38, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

Another one...[edit]

Deeny Dakota Consiglio (the userpage itself) --JustBerry (talk) 00:54, 30 May 2018 (UTC)

@JustBerry: I’ve tagged it with {{db-g11}}. Will let another admin confirm. Mz7 (talk) 07:40, 30 May 2018 (UTC)

Train me?[edit]

Hi Mz7, I noticed you have 1 open slot on the Counter-Vandalism Unit Instructors page. Would you be so kind as to train me? Thanks, Heliozoan (talk) 20:16, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

@Heliozoan: Sure. I've created a course page for you at User:Mz7/CVUA/Heliozoan, where I've given you instructions for your first assignment. Let me know if you have any questions! Mz7 (talk) 01:55, 1 June 2018 (UTC)

Counter vandalism academy signup[edit]

Hello! I would love to learn about counter vandalism from you to contribute better to Wikipedia. I see that there's still a slot open, but it seems that there's another user who applied for the course earlier. Is it too late for me to join? Cheers! aNode (discuss) 04:30, 1 June 2018 (UTC)

@ANode: Hi, ANode, sorry for my delay in responding. I did just take on a student to fill that empty spot, but I might be able to sneak you in. I'll create your page later tonight. Face-smile.svg Mz7 (talk) 21:04, 1 June 2018 (UTC)
OMG, much love man! Thanks a lot for still accepting me in :) aNode (discuss) 02:38, 2 June 2018 (UTC)
@ANode: I've created your course page at User:Mz7/CVUA/ANode. Please read the instructions, and if you have any questions about your first assignments, don't hesitate to let me know. Mz7 (talk) 03:50, 2 June 2018 (UTC)
Alright, I'll get started on it soon! My answers might come a bit delayed as I have to also study for my A-level exams, regardless I'll do my best with attempting the course.aNode (discuss) 05:40, 2 June 2018 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – June 2018[edit]

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Hi. This IP address keeps adding unsourced height to BLP articles. Should I revert all of them? I have warned him/her already. Abelmoschus Esculentus (talk to me) 04:27, 2 June 2018 (UTC)

@Abelmoschus Esculentus: I've blocked the IP. Yes, I would revert it all, and I can help you do that. I could start at the top and work my way down and you start at the bottom and work your way up? Mz7 (talk) 04:31, 2 June 2018 (UTC)
Sure. Thanks for your help. Face-smile.svg Abelmoschus Esculentus (talk to me) 04:32, 2 June 2018 (UTC)
@Abelmoschus Esculentus: Nice, looks like they've all been taken care of. Face-smile.svg Mz7 (talk) 04:35, 2 June 2018 (UTC)
👍 Abelmoschus Esculentus (talk to me) 04:38, 2 June 2018 (UTC)

Cyclops25 permissions[edit]

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Username issue[edit]

Hi Mz7,

If a user is named by a district or place, is a valid per WP:USERNAME policy? or not. Please reply soon or see my talk page case. Thank you, Siddiqsazzad001 <Talk/> 13:36, 4 June 2018 (UTC)

@Siddiqsazzad001: In most cases, I would say yes, that would be a valid username. The one exception would be if they were updating the page on the place represented by their username and claiming to be a shared account for the place’s government, which is very rare. If you have a specific example, I might be able to better help. Mz7 (talk) 15:49, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
@Mz7: In here: [15] - Siddiqsazzad001 <Talk/> 15:54, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
@Siddiqsazzad001: That is not a violation of the username policy. You should apologize to the user. Mz7 (talk) 15:56, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
@Mz7: I didn't said to him that his username blatant violations of the username policy but questionable username which was cleared by you. Thank you, Siddiqsazzad001 <Talk/> 16:00, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
@Siddiqsazzad001: It wasn’t even a questionable username. You had absolutely no evidence that this user was a shared account trying to promote some district in Tokyo. It was a clear misuse of the {{subst:uw-username}} template (you didn’t even fill out the required reason parameter). Things like this are WP:BITE violations, which are very serious. If you persistently make mistakes in accusing new editors of policy violations, you may be blocked from editing. Mz7 (talk) 16:07, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
@Mz7: Oh! I apologized that user about this mistake. Siddiqsazzad001 <Talk/> 16:15, 4 June 2018 (UTC)

Tech News: 2018-23[edit]

21:54, 4 June 2018 (UTC)

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Email inbound[edit]

Please check your email when you get the chance, thanks Thumbs up. --TheSandDoctor Talk 04:57, 5 June 2018 (UTC)

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Inter-wiki COI inter template[edit]

Moved from User talk:Mz7/CVUA/CASSIOPEIA#Inter-wiki COI inter template: Hope you don't mind, but I've moved the discussion to my main talk page so that I can more easily navigate to it and you don't have to ping me every time. Mz7 (talk) 16:08, 9 June 2018 (UTC)

Hi, Mz7, Good day. Long time since we last communicate and thank you for watching my talk page and gave me advice when it needed. I have work on a template, with Swarm helped on the wording) on COI topics, where by users copy the content of a draft page of new editors and paste it to main space claiming the page of their own. (see here on the conversation between Swarm and I on the idea the this proposal was triggered - see here [of time - histmerge requested - Interwiki copy right violation|Queen of time - histmerge requested - Interwiki copy right violation]) I am seeking another template expert user to check on the correctness of wikicode in the template and the process on documentation the template. The draft copy of the template could be found on my sandbox here - User:CASSIOPEIA/sandbox. I need your advice on this template serves as a single-level template with only warning level would be appropriate (which means if the users violate the 2nd time, they will be reported to Admin for this violation). Kindly advise if I have missed anything. Thanks in advance Mz7. CASSIOPEIA(talk) 05:18, 9 June 2018 (UTC)

@CASSIOPEIA: If I’m reading the problem correctly, the warning is for users who copy drafts and paste them into mainspace without following the attribution requirements of WP:CWW. This is known as “cut and paste moving” and we actually already have a template warning for that: {{subst:uw-c&pmove}}. Although it may sometimes be appropriate to respond to these with deletion or blocking, oftentimes the copyright/attribution issues can be rectified by leaving special edit summaries or by doing a histmerge. Check to see whether your proposed template is redundant to our existing one for cut and paste moves. Mz7 (talk) 06:01, 9 June 2018 (UTC)
Also, keep in mind that AFC is, in fact, optional for autoconfirmed users. If an autoconfirmed user is confident and disagrees with an AFC reviewer, I don’t think there’s a rule that says they can’t just move it into mainspace themselves – this may feel like “circumventing”, but is it really blockable? After all, if the AFC reviewer is right, then the article will be deleted, not just declined. Mz7 (talk) 06:09, 9 June 2018 (UTC)
Hi Mz7, Thank your for your quick reply. In a nutshell, the cut and paste moving message is the same idea of what I wanted to propose expect, I was trying to emphasise on copy from draft to main space by experience editors as I have seen this happen a few times before. When such situation happens, where the draft sits on the AfC waiting to be reviewed, (usually waiting weeks to months), while the paste copy in mainspace has already published. This discourage the new users and it is an indirect cheating the system of the experience users' action. (I am not talking about just auto confirm user but have thousands of edit and been registered for more than a year).
On a slightly different but related topic here - I do know that auto confirm users could move the article to mainspace and I also know that the AfC reviewing process are stricter than NPP (from my experience). There are so many NPP articles was created without any source or with only primary sources and NPP reviwers would mark the page as reveiwed and published in main space by tagging "unreferenced" for non-biography page. Even thought pages could be moved back to draft space, many NPP patroller either do not use that option or they do not know they could move the page to draft space. The pages would/might go through the AfD by the volunteers to do WP:BEFORE and involve multiple editors to check and discuss (so much loss of time and resource) in the AfD discussion board Either a NPP page is moved back to draft as it is unsourced, the editors would kept on moving back to mainspace. However, if an AfC article is submitted without source/only primary source, the draft article would be rejected. From my experience on reviewing NPP pages, more than 50% of the auto confirmed users do not know how a page should be properly sourced with independent reliable source and do not know the notability process. It seems that is an misalignment of what auto confirm users could not and what we assume what they aught to know. Ye to say all that, Wikipedia is built based on open concept for all users could edit with ease. That is my thought and I might miss out certain info from Wikipedia for I welcome to be filled in for those I have missed. I thank you in advance. CASSIOPEIA(talk) 06:50, 9 June 2018 (UTC)
@CASSIOPEIA: I worry that your warning is too harsh. In practice, if an autoconfirmed editor (e.g. you or me) has their draft declined at AfC and they disagree with the call, is there a policy or guideline that prevents them from ignoring the AfC reviewer and publishing the draft anyway? After all, they could have decided not to do AfC in the first place. I guess for the AfC reviewer, it might feel that their time was wasted, but if there isn't such a rule, then is it really fair to threaten to block users for doing this? Unless there is an egregious violation of policy, block threats should generally be a last resort to be used when prior discussion fails, so why should we be threatening blocks on a first offense in this case? Perhaps the tone of the message should shift from "do as we say or we will sanction you" to something more educational, with explanations about cut-and-paste moves, notability, proper sourcing, and the AfC process. Mz7 (talk) 16:08, 9 June 2018 (UTC)
HI Mz7, Good day. Thank you for your advice. Since there is a cut and paste message, I would forgo my template proposal. I do understand, a more educational message instead of outright sanction message and auto confirm could chose not to go through AfC. I guess the only way in the Wikipedia policy at the moment is to use histam to pay attribution to original editors. I have 2 more questions as below
  1. I recently came across identical subject article while I was reviewing articles, one in draft AfC and the other sits in NPP, with different authors and the articles are yet to be reviewed. I am not sure what is the protocal how to handle this, and would like to seek your advice
    1. Draft:2018 Prime Minister Cup - created on 2018- 05-27
    2. 2018 Prime Minister Cup - created on 2018-06-09
  2. Do we have "section" or "infobox" protection on particle article? and if so, how to request and what is the protocol. This question raise, primary because there are subjects have dual citizenship or born in one country and migrated to/adopted another country later in life, and editors kept on changing the nationality/citizenship consistently even sources are provided in the infobox and body text.
Thanks in advance Mz7. CASSIOPEIA(talk) 03:25, 11 June 2018 (UTC)
──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Hi CASSIOPEIA.
  1. If there is a draft that duplicates a mainspace article, the typical next step is to merge the draft into the mainspace article. You can either do this yourself or leave a note on the draft. I'm not knowledgeable enough about cricket to know whether this topic are notable, but if it isn't, a possible redirect/merge topic seems to be Prime Minister One Day Cup.
  2. We can only protect entire pages from editing at the levels specified by the protection policy. There is no feasible way for administrators to protect just a section of an article or just an infobox. If you disagree with a change someone made, you'll have to use dispute resolution.
Mz7 (talk) 03:38, 11 June 2018 (UTC)
Hi Mz7, Thank your for the advice above. I would not go through the dispute resolution as it is evolved many editors, especially IP editors (parties would like to claim solely one country and ethnicity against the other as well as editors would like both citizenships info to be in the articles) and it happens consistently especially particularly when news about the subjects hit the newspaper every 4/5 months annually. Thank you Mz7 and have a lovely day. CASSIOPEIA(talk) 04:15, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

Tech News: 2018-24[edit]

21:55, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

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For your work at WP:AIV. Can we clone you and replace some of the more heavy-handed administrators with you? PCHS-NJROTC (Messages)Have a blessed day. 04:36, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
Hi, PCHS-NJROTC, thanks for the barnstar. Heh, I recognize you from RfA as "that school IP guy". I don't know if I'm the man to clone; I know I recently declined to do a school block at AIV, which you noticed, but if you look at my log of blocks, you'll see that in the past, I have indeed placed fairly long blocks on school/shared IPs before. I think it's true that I might be a bit more conservative than at least one admin I know; I wouldn't block a school IP for months if there are one or two edits and no prior block log entries. However, when there is a clear trend of persistent vandalism coming from a shared IP, I do end up concluding a long block is a net positive.
While I don't necessarily agree with all of your concerns, I think I understand where you're coming from: a lot of us (including me) started out editing Wikipedia as IPs and only decided to create an account once we got experience with that, so removing IP editing and account creation from places where Wikipedia is arguably used the most (educational institutions) is something that sometimes keeps me up at night, thinking "was that the right duration? should that have been just to the weekend instead of to the end of the school year?" Incidentally, I grew up attending a school district where editing Wikipedia was, in fact, pretty much permanently {{school block}}ed, and heh, I always just blamed it on my immature high school classmates, as opposed to the Wikipedia administrators. Your mileage may vary, I suppose. Mz7 (talk) 05:25, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
Sometimes you do what you have to do. I actually created the schoolblock template there, where I have almost every tool in the tool set, including checkuser and oversight, but for some reason Andy hasn't given me full adminship yet so I don't have the delete button for articles (I don't know what your political views are, but don't hate me for being a Conservapedian in addition to being a Wikipedian). To me, it's a net positive vs. net negative thing; if an IP with multiple users is giving us 200 silly edits to 1 good edit, it's a net positive in my book because most of the nonsense edits are easily identified and reverted anyway, and even if some silly edits are missed by the Counter Vandalism Unit, even a 7 year old could identify it as vandalism, and if that inspires the said 7 year old (or 17 year, or 74 year old) to click that "edit this page" button to fix it, our silly cheerleader in 3rd period just indirectly helped Wikipedia because now someone has made their first edit thanks to her boredom (if she left her name as some of them do, maybe we ought to send her a thank you card?). On the other hand, if there's a pattern of sneaky vandalism or sockpuppetry, then I would block it for an appropriate amount of time to curtail that destructive behavior. I actually used to be one of the most vindictive, authoritarian vandal fighters on the encyclopedia, to the point I've called and written to schools and even residential ISPs about someone writing "hi" one time on an article, but I eventually realized that getting middle and high school girls banned from the school computers and kicked off of the cheerleading squad for a single incident of test editing on the Cheerleading article, for example, is a net negative because I probably permanently soured their opinion of Wikipedia entirely over it, even to read it. What really turned me against extended schoolblocks was this. The admin put a two year schoolblock on a boarding school in New York City (where the students can't just go home at the end of the day and discover editing), I questioned it, and then he seemed like he was mad that I had the audacity to question him. Then he proceeded to analyze Charlotte County Public Schools and put a schoolblock on it, and frankly I took that as a vindictive act for questioning his actions. He's no longer very active at Wikipedia (thankfully), but the other people who are heavy-handed blockers don't seem much better, so I don't bother questioning them anymore (although to his credit, there is one of the most prominent schoolblockers who at least seems to be civil about it when people question him). So that's why I think it's important to watch RfA; I always prefer to be able to support the candidates, but someone can do a lot of damage with the toolset if they have poor judgement or temperament. If it's a matter of not having enough administrators to handle all of silly vandalism (I've noticed there's a backlog issue at WP:AIV and WP:UAA, and people are saying we have an admin shortage) I would be willing to do my part and take the challenge at WP:RfA if someone thought I could pass since it's WP:NOBIGDEAL and I have experience with the mop on other sites anyway (though I do know the fifth most visited website in the world is a far cry from two sites most people have never heard of), but I have a few editing projects I would like to complete first because content contribution is a plus at RfA, and since I intend to work on them regardless of whether I go for RfA or not, I might as well finish them first. The reason I'm not working on those right now is because I have a pile of coursework to do in my college classes that I really should be doing right now instead of this (I have ADHD and I am easily distracted). PCHS-NJROTC (Messages)Have a blessed day. 13:07, 13 June 2018 (UTC)

Disruptive IP[edit]

Hello. Remember this character? Well, it looks like he gave up on airports, but his trolling is still going on, full force. The user is clearly not here to contribute constructively, and his insulting and aggressive tone (with yet another Nazi comparison thrown in, despite your warning) is distracting serious editors. - Biruitorul Talk 14:49, 15 June 2018 (UTC)

Hi Biruitorul. Sorry for the delay in responding; you caught me just as I was in the middle of traveling/relocating myself. I've closed that talk page discussion, and I think if the IP decides to continue it in the same manner, I'll consider blocking. Mz7 (talk) 05:45, 17 June 2018 (UTC)

NPP Backlog Elimination Drive[edit]

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Tech News: 2018-25[edit]

21:47, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

Same subject - one in draft and other in main space[edit]

Hi Mz7, Good day. I need advice of what is the protocols and steps of actions for the following

  1. Same subject - one on draft page Draft:DYJA created on 16:18, June 18, 2018‎ and another in mainspace DYJA created 13:00, June 23, 2018‎. Both by the same editor and content is the same. I moved the June 18 copy to draft for no sources were provided and the editor recreate the same subject and content on June 23. Since that is a copy of draft exist, for such the mainspace copy cant be moved to draft, what is the protocol and steps should be taken?
  2. If the mainspace copy improve a little, such as adding a few more lines of content and provide primary sources and the existing draft copy still exist, in this case will the answer of # 1 above the same as this question?

Thanks advance for assisting. Thank you. CASSIOPEIA(talk) 06:26, 23 June 2018 (UTC)

@CASSIOPEIA: Just leave it alone, I guess? The article creator disagrees with moving the article to draft space, so the only way to get it out of mainspace now is to nominate the article for deletion, for which you need a valid reason. I would say the relevant policy here is WP:IMPERFECT, which states that articles are allowed to contain issues. Many new articles start as crappy, unsourced stubs and then with the help of others, they slowly develop that into fully fledged articles over time. The article is already tagged with {{unreferenced}}, which informs editors that referencing is an area for improvement. If you decide to keep the article, then you could probably just redirect the draft to the mainspace article. Mz7 (talk) 07:12, 23 June 2018 (UTC)
Ok thank you Mz7, so either leave it alone in hope other interest editor to develop the article or nominate for AfD with a WP:BEFORE done on the ground of good reason (like not notable). Thank you Mz7. CASSIOPEIA(talk) 07:18, 23 June 2018 (UTC)

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A barnstar for you![edit]

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For ensuring that the Administrators' Newsletter gets written and distributed every month. Despite a good start I worried that the newsletter would ultimately die out after a few months, so it's heartening to see it still being sent out every month :) Sam Walton (talk) 23:17, 28 June 2018 (UTC)
Thanks so much, Samwalton9! For a long time before the admin newsletter, I had wanted to do some kind of periodic discussion report – a summary of the things being discussed the community. I tried reviving the "discussion report" on the Signpost, but the editor-in-chief wanted to do something else before that could happen (something that never came about because the editor was too busy). As it turned out, the admin newsletter created the perfect niche that I wanted to fill, so I'm happy to help. Face-smile.svg Mz7 (talk) 18:30, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

The Signpost: 29 June 2018[edit]

AlexTylersMail sock[edit]

Thanks for removing TP access at User talk:AlexTylersMail, per this thread. It appears the user created a sock account and is continuing the behavior. Are you able to block the new user? Thanks. 青い(Aoi) (talk) 20:38, 30 June 2018 (UTC)

@Aoi: Good spot. I've blocked the account with TPA revoked. If you see any more accounts, feel free to let me know. Thanks, Mz7 (talk) 20:44, 30 June 2018 (UTC)
Thanks for the quick response! 青い(Aoi) (talk) 20:47, 30 June 2018 (UTC)

Wanlockhead Beam Engine[edit]

Thanks for your time and expert advice. Rosser Gruffydd 09:38, 1 July 2018 (UTC)

Super Smash Bros. Universe[edit]

Asking you because you nominated this redirect for deletion; I've also asked the deleting admin.

Steel1943 proposed that this title be kept if someone were to create Super Smash Bros. universe, since that's a plausible redirect, and this is a plausible capitalisation variant thereof. Someone has since created "universe". Do you have any objection if I restore "Universe" and then make its contents identical to those of "universe"? Nyttend (talk) 23:17, 2 July 2018 (UTC)

@Nyttend: I suppose not. As I stated in the RfD, I thought that this redirect was unnecessary, but since the lowercase title exists and WP:CHEAP, there's no point in having another 7 day discussion. Go ahead and create it. Mz7 (talk) 03:08, 3 July 2018 (UTC)

Tech News: 2018-27[edit]

00:46, 3 July 2018 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – July 2018[edit]

News and updates for administrators from the past month (June 2018).


Administrator changes

added PbsouthwoodTheSandDoctor
readded Gogo Dodo
removed AndrevanDougEVulaKaisaLTony FoxWilyD

Bureaucrat changes

removed AndrevanEVula

Guideline and policy news

  • An RfC about the deletion of drafts closed with a consensus to change the wording of WP:NMFD. Specifically, a draft that has been repeatedly resubmitted and declined at AfC without any substantial improvement may be deleted at MfD if consensus determines that it is unlikely to ever meet the requirements for mainspace and it otherwise meets one of the reasons for deletion outlined in the deletion policy.
  • A request for comment closed with a consensus that the {{promising draft}} template cannot be used to indefinitely prevent a WP:G13 speedy deletion nomination.

Technical news

  • Starting on July 9, the WMF Security team, Trust & Safety, and the broader technical community will be seeking input on an upcoming change that will restrict editing of site-wide JavaScript and CSS to a new technical administrators user group. Bureaucrats and stewards will be able to grant this right per a community-defined process. The intention is to reduce the number of accounts who can edit frontend code to those who actually need to, which in turn lessens the risk of malicious code being added that compromises the security and privacy of everyone who accesses Wikipedia. For more information, please review the FAQ.
  • Syntax highlighting has been graduated from a Beta feature on the English Wikipedia. To enable this feature, click the highlighter icon (Codemirror-icon.png) in your editing toolbar (or under the hamburger menu in the 2017 wikitext editor). This feature can help prevent you from making mistakes when editing complex templates.
  • IP-based cookie blocks should be deployed to English Wikipedia in July (previously scheduled for June). This will cause the block of a logged-out user to be reloaded if they change IPs. This means in most cases, you may no longer need to do /64 range blocks on residential IPv6 addresses in order to effectively block the end user. It will also help combat abuse from IP hoppers in general. For the time being, it only affects users of the desktop interface.


  • Currently around 20% of admins have enabled two-factor authentication, up from 17% a year ago. If you haven't already enabled it, please consider doing so. Regardless if you use 2FA, please practice appropriate account security by ensuring your password is secure and unique to Wikimedia.

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Please Review Something[edit]

Hello Mz7, I hope you are well. I was just wondering if you could just review at [36], where some editors are confused about a certain question of the CVUA exam. If you could just clarify to them about the exam format, that would be great, since you explain much better than me! Face-smile.svg Thank you so much. Hummerrocket (talk) 08:03, 5 July 2018 (UTC)

@Hummerrocket: Sure thing, I've left a comment. I think they have a point about how nowadays with WP:ACPERM it's more difficult to find easy speedy deletion candidates that would fit the mold of a counter-vandalism training program. Perhaps it's time we updated our training material. Mz7 (talk) 08:19, 5 July 2018 (UTC)

A brownie for you![edit]

Brownie transparent.png A quick thank you for reviewing AND passing my Violet Parr article! :-) Changedforbetter (talk) 00:45, 6 July 2018 (UTC)


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Hi PCHS-NJROTC. I see the message. Unfortunately, you caught me on a really busy Friday for me, so I don’t think I’ll have time to compose a response until maybe tomorrow. Sorry about the delay. Thanks, Mz7 (talk) 16:35, 6 July 2018 (UTC)
No problem, I understand that entirely. Thanks for the response. PCHS-NJROTC (Messages)Have a blessed day. 16:47, 6 July 2018 (UTC)


I have requested as an anonymous a CU here, could you please create the page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 07:31, 8 July 2018 (UTC)

 Done: Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Baka Líte. Mz7 (talk) 07:38, 8 July 2018 (UTC)
Thanks :-) — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 07:59, 8 July 2018 (UTC)

Request rollback rights[edit]

Hi, Mz7, would you be willing to grant me rollback rights? I want to see if I can help fight vandalism. I have read §When to use rollback and I think I have a firm grasp of its intended purpose. I already use Twinkle's quasi-rollback.

You previously granted my request for pending changes and I have tried to use it to the project's benefit. I would appreciate some feedback on how I am doing on pending changes reviews. See accepted reviews here.

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--- Coffeeandcrumbs 11:04, 8 July 2018 (UTC)

Hi Coffeeandcrumbs.  Done: I've enabled rollback on your account. I sampled a few of your recent pending changes reviews, and there were no glaring issues – accepting pending changes is one of the most lightweight rights we have here, since approving changes is something all of us implicitly do on all articles when we choose not to revert something. Rollback carries a little bit more responsibility because it is faster than Twinkle or normal undo, and it gives you access to automated tools like Huggle which have the ability to make many hundred of edits in a short space of time. The key thing to remember is that rollback should never be used to revert anything other than clear acts of vandalism – the kind that no reasonable editor would disagree is vandalism – and other edits where the reason for reverting is absolutely clear. I took a look through your contributions, and you're good about labeling your reverts as "good faith" reverts as appropriate, so I think you'll do fine with rollback. You have a tendency to get a little heated in your edit summaries – just remember that even if you are caught in a nasty disagreement with another user about an article, it's important that you refrain from using rollback to revert (better yet, stop reverting and use the talk page). I hope this feedback is helpful. Thanks, Mz7 (talk) 22:25, 8 July 2018 (UTC)

Cascade-protection followup[edit]

Hey Mz7, you recently removed Template:Cite court from Wikipedia:Cascade-protected items/content. Could you also remove Template:Cite case, which is a redirect to Template:Cite court? Best, Kevin (aka L235 · t · c) 16:38, 8 July 2018 (UTC)

@L235:  Done. Good catch. Mz7 (talk) 19:15, 8 July 2018 (UTC)

Olympic mascots[edit]

I'm very for misunderstanding about my recent edits regarding the 2014 and 2016 mascots. I agree that I will read the guidelines carefully. The reason I did this is because I want to prove information about each mascot, their significance and their origins. Also, I want to dispute this because I want to add more info regarding these mascots. RainbowSilver2ndBackup (talk) 01:44, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

@RainbowSilver2ndBackup: Thanks for your response, but I don’t think that you really added any new sourced content to the articles; you simply took the content that I had already written and put them in a table form. I think that the table is unnecessary, and if you want to add more details, you should do so in prose and by citing reliable sources. Mz7 (talk) 02:20, 9 July 2018 (UTC)
About the pictures, I also had to dispute the deletion because the pictures provides info on who they are. These pictures tell anyone on who they are. This needs to be disputed. RainbowSilver2ndBackup (talk) 02:29, 9 July 2018 (UTC)
@RainbowSilver2ndBackup: The problem with the pictures you uploaded is that we already have pictures that describe who the mascots are. We do not need the pictures you uploaded because we already have pictures that serve the same purpose. For this reason, the non-free content guideline states that the images you uploaded should be deleted. Mz7 (talk) 02:33, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

Tech News: 2018-28[edit]

23:09, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

SPA notification to the user - advice needed[edit]

Hi Mz7. good day. I reported a sock - Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Emedia96 and believe I should notify the users. Where could I obtain the template of such? Thank you in advance in assisting. CASSIOPEIA(talk) 11:53, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

@CASSIOPEIA: Looks like someone has already notified. Remember that notification is strictly optional, and sometimes, it may actually be counterproductive to notify (see WP:DENY). If you choose to notify, there are a couple templates to help: {{subst:uw-socksuspect}} is short and to-the-point, whereas {{subst:socksuspectnotice}} is longer and more explanatory. Mz7 (talk) 21:29, 10 July 2018 (UTC)
Hi Mz7, Yes, the socks users were notified by other user which also launched an SPA and both socks were blocked. I had found the {{subst:uw-socksuspect}} but could not find {{subst:socksuspectnotice}} yesterday and thank for letting me know the template code. I was thinking to inform the socks users as it would be same to notify a user on ANI and do understand it might not be good idea on the ground of WP:DENY. Thank you for letting me know. Cheers. CASSIOPEIA(talk) 03:31, 11 July 2018 (UTC)


I’m up for your teaching on how to fight vandalism ARMcgrath (talk) 21:33, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

@ARMcgrath: I am currently rather busy in real life, and I already have students in WP:CVUA, so unfortunately, I don't think I will be able to take you on at this time. Please try to find another instructor. I'm very sorry about that. Mz7 (talk) 07:38, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

Hey at least your being honest thank you enjoy your day ARMcgrath (talk) 10:22, 11 July 2018 (UTC)


Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar.png The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar
Hey there, it's been great talking to you again for the first time in years. You haven't changed a bit. I came across this great award that I feel like you really deserve, because you really go the extra mile to make people feel helped, happy, and enlightened. You basically taught me how to be a Wikipedian, and what it really meant to be one. I wouldn't be where I am without you. Here I am probably about four years later, and I see you still helping people out (Ms. Trya), and being a true saint the whole time. I'm so glad that my whole mess resulted in you becoming an admin! You really are just an all-around nice person, and you always go out of your way to be so. You're honestly among some of the nicest people I've met, and by internet people standards? Off the charts! Thank you so much for being you, and I wish you the best in your efforts as an admin. I think you'll be one of the best ones out there! On behalf of whoever knows you like I do, Thank you so much! - CharlieBrown25 (talk) 08:42, 12 July 2018 (UTC)


I would like to join the CVUA as I want to be better at reverting vandalism (I have already learned Twinkle) and to have a mentor as I was recently blocked for being sort of a jerk (but was unblocked after). Thank you. RandNetter96 (Talk) (Contributions) 21:41, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

As I told another person who asked me the same question above, I'm currently in a rather busy time in real life, so I won't be able to take on anyone for WP:CVUA. For the time being, I would encourage you to carefully study on your own the differences between good-faith editing and vandalism (even unhelpful, highly disruptive edits are not necessarily "vandalism"). Mz7 (talk) 23:47, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

User talk:[edit]

Remove TPA? ~ Abelmoschus Esculentus (talk to me) 09:20, 15 July 2018 (UTC)

@Abelmoschus Esculentus:  Done. Good call. Mz7 (talk) 09:22, 15 July 2018 (UTC)
Thanks. I like revert warring. ~ Abelmoschus Esculentus (talk to me) 09:23, 15 July 2018 (UTC)

Advice and thougths[edit]

Hi Mz7, Need advice. Kindly see Here, start from bottom first and Stale. Let me know your thought on both the links above so I may learn. Thank you. CASSIOPEIA(talk) 18:04, 15 July 2018 (UTC)

@CASSIOPEIA: This is a lot of information to be coming in cold to, and I'm unfamiliar with the context surrounding the events. It was not very civil for TBMNY to use the word "fuck", but generally that's not something administrators can block for. Instead, the goal is to try to defuse the situation. From my point of view, it looks like he is just frustrated with the way you've kind of cluttered the talk page, rather than intentionally trying to insult or belittle you. I've tried to clean up the talk page a little bit: I removed the ANI thread you crossposted (I see no need to do that over posting a simple link). For the future, keep in mind that WP:AIV is not the right place to report personal attacks. It's for vandalism only, and personal attacks are not vandalism. Personal attacks should instead be reported to WP:ANI, and keep in mind that isolated profanity is rarely actionable. Mz7 (talk) 18:36, 15 July 2018 (UTC)
Hi Mz7, Thank you for helping. I am utterly disappointed that no one would even say anything on the profanity TBMNY on this address to me as this is clearly not civil and should an admin not advise the user to tone down their language choice, it would seems acceptable for not only TBMNY to use it against toward me or other editors in addition, anyone in MMA talk page see the post, would think this is Ok form of communication toward the community member. I have never once been spoken in such fashion in my entire life, not even remotely, would someone say such an inappropriate word to me where I have lived in countries, in majority of my life, where such four letter words are extremely common in social and work environment even among the high level educated ppl, in male dominated multi national cooperate world where I work or in the gyms and dojos where I train. I communicated the issues within the guidelines, reason in civility, and back up all my sources yet I feel I am being put down time and time again by TBMNY where they could not back up this reasons with guidelines or source but using uncivil word choice and arguing without base. All I was suggesting was go to MMA community in Wikipedai a seek consensus agreement if guidelines to be changed and I all for it which ever the community deem agree. I am disappointed that I put a lot of time and effort to care and provide content, fighting vandalism and protecting articles in MMA project in Wikipedia, yet I am being ill treated and no one speaks out. All I ask with time and time again, is to discuss in civil manner and seek consensus agreement. I understand many MMA editors/casual fans are post Conor McGregor era and internet is the original place and still is today where MMA fans gather they discussion/share their thoughts and it is not a pretty sight at times the comments the fans leave on their posts. Maybe I take it a little hard on this, or maybe I am female, and maybe I have not been spoken to as such in my life before. It is just disappointing. CASSIOPEIA(talk) 04:40, 16 July 2018 (UTC)
@CASSIOPEIA: Enforcing civility is one of the most contentious administrative actions on Wikipedia. We've had multiple arbitration cases involving civility violations and how they should be dealt with. I don't think it was appropriate for TBMNY (courtesy ping) to use profanity, and I would invite him to apologize. However, this is an international project that often causes a diverse group of individuals to disagree with each other, sometimes on issues they feel very passionately about, and unfortunately, adults do sometimes use profanity when they feel passionately about something. There have been proposals in the past about prohibiting profanity (e.g. blocks for people who say "fuck"), but the responses to such proposals have often been "fuck no". I've seen administrators tell people to "fuck off" before, and one admin has a whole essay about it. I don't really have any clever answers here. You were right to notify an administrator when you felt attacked. My goal as an administrator is to try to calm down the situation by avoiding escalation and encouraging compromise. Mz7 (talk) 05:26, 16 July 2018 (UTC)

Thank You[edit]

Hi Mz7 (sorry for the late reply) I just wanted to thank you for being such a big help and handling my situation in calm and respectful way. You truly get an A+ in my book for that :-). I was wondering if you could do one me thing for me though. So even though F&TV28 is right on blocking me for safety reasons he never leaves edit summary's in the summary sections (even when he undoes edits by non-blocked accounts). So I was wondering could you try to reason with him on that aspect maybe? Other than that thanks for all that you have done and being awesome. Take care18:12, 15 July 2018 (UTC)Mrs. Tyra (talk)

Tech News: 2018-29[edit]

16:01, 16 July 2018 (UTC)

Nina Cuso draft[edit]

Hi, as you were the closer of this AfD discussion I was wondering if you could check whether this draft is substantially similar and eligible for G4? Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 19:58, 17 July 2018 (UTC)

@Curb Safe Charmer: The content was word-for-word identical to a revision of the article that was deleted at AfD. Accordingly, I've deleted the draft per WP:CSD#G4. Mz7 (talk) 20:06, 17 July 2018 (UTC)
@Curb Safe Charmer: See also Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Ohare415. Mz7 (talk) 20:14, 17 July 2018 (UTC)


Might this diff need to be revdelled? It looks like a personal attack/possible libel. Aspening (talk) 03:31, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

@Aspening:  Done. I agree, I've revision-deleted the material. Thanks, Mz7 (talk) 03:33, 18 July 2018 (UTC)