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Delta Sigma Theta members category[edit]

Every single article listed that I added came from the article that lists the members of the sorority. Until proven otherwise, I am assuming every woman listed on that page belongs there and therefore in the category. If you do not believe they belong in the categor y, then to be consistent you should remove them from the list. Postcard Cathy (talk) 06:33, 6 January 2015 (UTC)

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Museum hacks and museum edits[edit]

Hello there!

Upcoming events:

  • February 6–8: The third annual ArtBytes Hackathon at the Walters Art Museum! This year Wikimedia DC is partnering with the Walters for a hack-a-thon at the intersection of art and technology, and I would like to see Wikimedia well represented.
  • February 11: The monthly WikiSalon, same place as usual. RSVP on Meetup or just show up!
  • February 15: Wiki Loves Small Museums in Ocean City. Mary Mark Ockerbloom, with support from Wikimedia DC, will be leading a workshop at the Small Museum Association Conference on how they can contribute to Wikipedia. Tons of representatives from GLAM institutions will be present, and we are looking for volunteers. If you would like to help out, check out "Information for Volunteers".

I am also pleased to announce events for Wikimedia DC Black History Month with Howard University and NPR. Details on those events soon.

If you have any questions or have any requests, please email me at james.hare@wikimediadc.org.

See you there! – James Hare

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Wikimedia DC celebrates Black History Month, and more![edit]

Hello again!

Not even a week ago I sent out a message talking about upcoming events in DC. Guess what? There are more events coming up in February.

First, as a reminder, there is a WikiSalon on February 11 (RSVP here or just show up) and Wiki Loves Small Museums at the Small Museum Association Conference on February 15 (more information here).

Now, I am very pleased to announce:

There is going to be a lot going on, and I hope you can come to some of the events!

If you have any questions or need any special accommodations, please let me know.


Regards,

James Hare


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UP College of Law Fraternities and Sororities[edit]

Hi Naraht, you have a good point here. There is actually no difference between the organizations you have mentioned (basing on the official list in the UP College of Law website). I will do the necessary changes. Thanks for bringing this up.

ScaLaWaG 39 (talk) 14:33, 8 February 2015 (UTC)ScaLaWaG_39

2015 Egyptian military intervention in Libya[edit]

It is known that Al-Jazeera is the enemy of the Egyptian government to bring this is the source of this.--File:Insert-signature.png (talk) 01:42, 18 February 2015 (UTC)

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Editing for Women's History in March[edit]

Hello,

I am very excited to announce this month’s events, focused on Women’s History Month:

  • Sunday, March 8: Women in the Arts 2015 Edit-a-thon – 10 AM to 4 PM
    Women in the Arts and ArtAndFeminism Wikipedia Edit-a-thon at the National Museum of Women in the Arts. Free coffee and lunch served!
    More informationRSVP on Meetup
  • Wednesday, March 11: March WikiSalon – 7 PM to 9 PM
    An evening gathering with free-flowing conversation and free pizza.
    More informationRSVP on Meetup (or just show up!)
  • Friday, March 13: NIH Women's History Month Edit-a-Thon – 9 AM to 4 PM
    In honor of Women’s History Month, the National Institutes of Health (NIH) is organizing and hosting an edit-a-thon to improve coverage of women in science in Wikipedia. Free coffee and lunch served!
    More informationRSVP on Meetup
  • Saturday, March 21: Women in STEM Edit-a-Thon at DCPL – 12 PM
    Celebrate Women's History Month by building, editing, and expanding articles about women in science, technology, engineering, and mathematics fields during DC Public Library's first full-day edit-a-thon.
    More informationRSVP on Meetup
  • Friday, March 27: She Blinded Me with Science, Part III – 10 AM to 4 PM
    Smithsonian Institution Archives Groundbreaking Women in Science Wikipedia Edit-a-thon. Free lunch courtesy of Wikimedia DC!
    More informationRSVP on Meetup
  • Saturday, March 28: March Dinner Meetup – 6 PM
    Dinner and drinks with your fellow Wikipedians!
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Hope you can make it to an event! If you have any questions or require any special accommodations, please let me know.


Thanks,

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Phi Gamma Delta letters[edit]

I received your message regarding the reason why the changes removing the Greek version of the fraternity letters were considered censorship. While I question whether simply changing the way the letters are displayed from their Greek to their English equivalents should actually be considered "censorship," I understand the point you're making and can abide by the explanation. Dougfields (talk) 18:32, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

Naraht, I see I'm not the only one to be surprised by the reversion of "FIJI" to "ΦΓΔ". I don't have any skin in the game here. I'm a Greek, an experienced Wikipedia editor with tough hide, and I'm not a Fiji. Nor do I favor giving one group any perceptual edge over another, akin to saying their letters are more special then ours. But in writing the articles where Fiji's name is mentioned, members wrote to me asking for this courtesy, and so I went with it. Really, why the heck not? I'd point out that this IS NOT censorship - governments censor. Rather, what this IS about is a respectful accommodation to how that group wants to be identified. Further, since I noted the rationale as references on the pages I authored, perhaps it would have been more helpful for you to have addressed the matter on a Talk page. Jax MN (talk) 19:31, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
I've read the WP:CENSOR admonition. Still, this seems unnecessarily annoying in this case, to overrule how this organization wants others to name them. Jax MN (talk) 19:37, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
@Dougfields: @Jax MN: WP:CENSOR and indeed Censor make it clear that censorship is a concept applied to Wikipedia rather than just by governments. Wikipedia has received a large number of requests from various Muslims to remove images preporting to be of Mohammed, and fulfilling their requests would be censorship of the article on which it occurs. On the Talk page for the Phi Gamma Delta article, Question 6, there is information for how *on that article* a setting can be done for a user with an account so they don't see it. That enclosing script can be added to other locations where the greek letters exist, but the information on how to use it would be necessary. If the President of Exxon-Mobil asked that wikipedia refer to it by Esso in Wikipedia, we wouldn't do so unless that was the way that the NYT & Washington Post started doing so. The legal name of the group is Phi Gamma Delta,
The fact that Phi Gamma Delta limits where members of the fraternity use it *is* a relevant piece of information to be mentioned in the the article about Phi Gamma Delta, however that limitation is only for the members of the fraternity, which neither Wikipedia *nor* the large majority of its members are. I'm also a member of a Greek Letter Fraternity (mentioned on my user page). I've also been through this discussion at Talk:Phi Gamma Delta. I fully support the use of FIJI when the abbreviations ATO or DU or Phi Kapp is used and recently FIJI was *added* to the descriptor at the Phi Gamma Delta page.(note, I asked their national when to use FIJI and when to use Fiji, and the answer that I got was FIJI when referring to the Fraternity, Fiji when used as an adjective (so, he is a FIJI, he lives in the Fiji house), but I can't find that referenced). Naraht (talk) 20:55, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
We have a difference of opinion then. Naraht, you do a lot of good on Wikipedia, which I'll state for the record, because more casual readers and editors may think you are bullying over a small potatoes issue. Yeah, I wish FIJI used letters like others do. But it takes all kinds to make a world, and I would therefore grant them that small courtesy since they asked me with what I thought was great sincerity over a reasonable point of their own branding. Sheeesh. This isn't Mohammed, and they aren't Exxon. Aren't there other, more pressing and bigger errors on Wikipedia that an editor of your prodigious and quite helpful output should spend their time on? Jax MN (talk) 21:19, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
@Jax MN: No, it isn't Mohammed. But the policy covers matters great and small. I've spend *years* along with other editors dealing with the continued deletions of the greek letters on the Phi Gamma Delta page (the large majority of which weren't even close to as courteous as Dougfields). At one point even the replacement of the letters with a small image of the Phi Gamma Delta flag (Purple with white letters and a star) was considered, but the decision was made to keep consistency with the other GLOs. I'm just not sure why "..their own branding" should ever be a consideration in what should and should not be on Wikipedia. (And I've had to explain this to my *own* national fraternity!)

Your submission at Articles for creation: January 1914 (April 10)[edit]

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Your submission at Articles for creation: January 1914 has been accepted[edit]

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Upcoming attractions in DC[edit]

Hello!

Here are some upcoming DC meetups in April and May:

  • Tuesday, April 14: National Archives Hackathon on Wikipedia Space with American University – 2:30-5pm
    See the latest work on the Wikipedia Space exhibit in the new NARA Innovation Hub and brainstorm on new ideas for a public exhibit about Wikipedia
  • Friday, April 17: Women in Tech Edit-a-thon with Tech LadyMafia – 5-9pm
    Team up with Tech LadyMafia to improve Wikipedia content on women in the history of technology.
  • Saturday, April 25: April Dinner Meetup – 6 PM
    Dinner and drinks with your fellow Wikipedians!
  • Friday, May 1: International Labour Day Edit-a-Thon – 1:30 PM to 4:30 PM
    An edit-a-thon at the University of Maryland

Hope to see you at these events! If you have any questions or require any special accommodations, please let me know.


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Delta Kappa[edit]

Thanks for your edits on the page. The table grid is a good idea. If you don't mind I will add that myself so I can learn more about editing. Also, should I add information about a DK national officer who became a Sigma Pi national officer? Gooseneck41 12:46, 16 April 2015

@Gooseneck41: Have fun with the tables, maybe columns
  • orig school name
  • current school name
  • chapter name
  • fraternity name as of 1960
  • chapter name as of 1960,
  • Active (in whatever it ended up in)

or something similar name after being let me know if you have any help, I've done a few List of Alpha Phi Omega chapters, for example. :) And for the national officer who came over, just make sure it is referenced, but the Sigma Pi magazines would be very useful for that.Naraht (talk) 17:39, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

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About Durham Collage[edit]

Hey Narhat,

Thanks for the heads up about the lack of info on the college. I didn't know if I would need to do more than just add a few internal links but you pretty much answered that question. And Nice job or making all of the links on your fraternity page blue :o I'm just getting the hang of putting up the right number of said links, so just think of me as that random person that loves to add links that aren't red. Thanks for the welcome and just ask me if i can help out for adding links on other pages or if you can teach me anymore stuff than what I've read on the guidelines.

Hope to see ya around,
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Potential GA Nomination[edit]

Hi Naraht, I just wanted to let you know I'm planning to nominate University of Virginia Greek life for GA status (it currently has a B rating). Since you've been helping with the article I thought you might be interested. If you have thoughts or suggestions let me know. Thanks again for all your help! Puppysnot (talk) 15:13, 24 May 2015 (UTC)

@Puppysnot: Well the phrasing where the chapter names were added may need to be altered. Also, the descriptions of the Professional seems a little stilted, at the level of *anyone* who wants to rewrite them, I'd probably be happy with. No reference for Chi Epsilon. Sorting on the dates puts ADPhi in third place, even though Beta Theta Pi claims to be third. We may want to add a dts hidden to put that one at the end of the year. Let me know if I should copy this list to the article talk page...Naraht (talk)
Thanks for the feedback. I rephrased the chapter names where it needed to be done, expanded some professional society descriptions slightly (it's difficult to find notes about them though, since most don't have their own chapter websites), added a reference for Chi Epsilon, edited Beta's description, and added a few more honor societies. Unfortunately I couldn't find a reference for the founding dates of Chi Epsilon or Alpha Sigma Lambda, but I'll keep looking. Puppysnot (talk) 16:31, 24 May 2015 (UTC)
@Puppysnot: Cool. I think I found something for Chi Epsilon. Couldn't find *anything* for ASL. I think proposing as a GA is a good way to get others to look at the article.Naraht (talk) 17:20, 24 May 2015 (UTC)

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Your submission at Articles for creation: Pi Lambda Sigma (sorority) (July 16)[edit]

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Edit summaries[edit]

Please would you consider using more informative edit summaries. You recently corrected the spelling of Johns Hopkins University in various articles. It would have helped if in some of those edits you had put an explanation. I mistook those edits for prank edits. Sorry. I have self-reverted my reverts.-- Toddy1 (talk) 19:26, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

@Toddy1:I appreciate it, but WP:Edit summary legend#Spelling says it is not normally necessary. Let me give it some thought...Naraht (talk) 20:12, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

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Tau Gamma Phi[edit]

I've started reviewing. The Sec of National Defense certainly is Enrile. I'm looking at the rest. The entire article could use more appropriate references, but it simply is harder to find those for the RP than for some other places. Sorry for the initial revert, but don't change articles like Alpha Phi Omega in the way that you did.Naraht (talk) 14:11, 9 September 2015 (UTC)

Also, what is MDG?Naraht (talk) 14:13, 9 September 2015 (UTC)
ok sir. you knew that the sec. of defense was Enrile. but when i checked the Article of Tau Gamma Phi, i saw the article edited as below:
was raided under an Arrest-Search and Seizure Order signed by then Secretary of Defense Jose P. Manalo.[3][4][5]

Atty. Wally Bayola, took the trial initiative to explore the idea to tap the younger generations. They decided to recruit in the High School sector. This gave birth to the "Junior Tau Gamma Phi" or better known as the "Junior Triskelions", founded at San Beda College - High School in 1975, where Triskelion Paolo Ballesteros was one of the founders.[6]

i tried editing this once, but you returned the article the way you edited it.

you are being bias on editing other fraternities articles. you are making fun of them.

also,Sorry for the initial revert, but don't change articles like Tau Gamma Phi in the way that you did.

Article for deletion[edit]

Since we've had discussions in the past on the subject of Greek letter orgs, I thought you might want to know about Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mu Omicron Gamma. Joys! and Best of Everything to You and Yours! – Painius  02:22, 24 September 2015 (UTC)

Paine Ellsworth Thanx. I voted to delete after trying for about 15 minutes to find *anything* useful. I've created Honor Society stubs that have had more accessible references.Naraht (talk) 13:52, 25 September 2015 (UTC)
Thank you very much, Naraht, for spending the time to determine the outcome! No expert myself, so I wouldn't have known where to start. Painius  14:48, 25 September 2015 (UTC)
Paine Ellsworth Google is a good place to start, and someone had mentioned that they used to have a home page up and archive.org can be used from there. We each have different skills...Naraht (talk) 15:22, 25 September 2015 (UTC)

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Sid Miller[edit]

Even though I did not write the article, I am failing to understand your recent revision (revert) that you recently did. Why were the wikilinks to his high school removed and instead, the use of the school district as a wikilink. To me, the way this is now written is grammatically incorrect. Does anyone really care what counties the school district he attended is located? If I wanted to know more about his school, I would go to his school page. Since I did not author this article, I will leave it as is, but I will check with a few other editors about the changes. You can leave a message on my user page. Thanks. Indyjrg1762 (talk) 22:22, 25 October 2015 (UTC)

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Thank you![edit]

Hi Naraht, thank you for your suggestions Ml17221746 (talk) 10:50, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

Katya[edit]

OK, so why don't you include this sources in the article, instead of simply closing it without votation or other advises? Milca jnr (talk) 17:14, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

@Milca jnr:I wasn't the one who changed the article back to the redirect. (Strictly speaking that doesn't count as a closing, but he's right about the sources being insufficient) What you did is still available at https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Katya_Zamolodchikova&oldid=692293868 . I'd suggest copying it to your sandbox and improving it. It would be reasonable for most if not all of the Queens who have been on RuPaul's drag race to have pages, including Katya. Take a look at some of the other pages in Category:RuPaul's Drag Race contestants (The winners are in a subcategory). I guarantee you *if* the references looks like those on Laganja Estranja or Alexis Mateo then it is *much* likelier to stay.Naraht (talk) 21:51, 25 November 2015 (UTC)
also,@Milca jnr: looing at the [1]] of the article, it appears that @Bearcat: actually did make a start of an article for Katya back in August which someone else changed back to the redirect.Naraht (talk) 21:59, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

Phi Sigma Kappa Chapters[edit]

Hello Naraht. I'm not convinced that WP:EL requires or suggests the removal of website links to the chapters cited on the page, List of Phi Sigma Kappa chapters. You deleted them all, not even attempting the median step of turning these into reference items. I disagree with the necessity of your edit, but have little time to address the matter as I am at work. However, I thought I would challenge you on this since you and I have corresponded and I appreciate your previous work. Please know, if I am not convinced at your explanation, I may revert or seek a poll. Jax MN (talk) 19:44, 3 December 2015 (UTC)

@Jax MN:. To me, this is almost a perfect example of what is meant by the following text in Wikipedia:External_links#Links_in_lists:

"External link sections are not prohibited at the end of stand-alone lists or at the end of articles that contain embedded lists. However, the lists themselves should not be composed of external links. These lists are primarily intended as providing direct information and internal navigation, not a directory of sites on the web. This section does not apply if the external link is serving as a citation for a stand-alone list entry that otherwise meets that list's inclusion criteria."

The large number of the sites are either facebook pages (which are inappropriate as links in most cases, and inappropriate as references in almost all cases) or chapter websites whose home pages do nothing to reference the data in the list other than the existence of the group. While some of the chapter websites have history sections which verify initial chartering, it is rare that the actual homepage of the site does. To take an example. the webpage for the chapter at UVA (which shouldn't have two www's) is a redirect to a page on the PSK website for the state of Virginia. Ohio State's has a subpage which would make sense as a reference, but not the mainpage. U of Michigan's is a facebook page. I don't see that any of these actually represent a reference for data other than the fact that at most, the chapter exists.Naraht (talk) 21:55, 3 December 2015 (UTC)

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Glenview Mansion (Rockville)[edit]

Hello Naraht, I made an edit to the Glenview Mansion (Rockville) page, I was curious to know what you thought of it. Thank you Belicimo (talk) 16:31, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

@Belicimo: Wonderful reference. I feel great about information from there being included. *However*, in some cases the text is an exact copy of what is on the Peerless Rockville page which raises copyright violation issues. Please rephrase in your own words, as you can.Naraht (talk) 16:57, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

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Category moves[edit]

Hello Naraht. You shouldn't be moving categories using the move tab as you did here. You have to go either via speedy or full WP:CfD. Cheers, Number 57 16:48, 4 January 2016 (UTC)

@Number 57: Two questions. 1) Is speedy move of categories in Twinkle? 2) Where is the policy on this? Naraht (talk) 16:52, 4 January 2016 (UTC)
I've never used Twinkle, but there is mention of it on the CfD page, so I assume it is. The policy is all at WP:CfD. Although it doesn't explictly mention not using the move tab, in practice it is very much frowned upon – this is why there are both speedy and full discussions. Cheers, Number 57 19:04, 4 January 2016 (UTC)
OK, I see that rename categories is essentially "under" the categories for Deletion concept in Twinkle. I'll use that from now on. I think part of the concern is getting things right so that bots can handle the change in the categories in each of the articles that are in that category.Naraht (talk) 19:31, 4 January 2016 (UTC)

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Malik[edit]

I believe it is known as both interchangeably. Yes, I am part of a national greek org. I am sure there is a userbox but I prefer to not use it at this time. BlackAmerican (talk) 01:33, 13 February 2016 (UTC)

@BlackAmerican:I think there was a note in one of the references that indicated that they had changed from Malik Sigma Psi (which they added the letters to make the administration happy) *to* MALIK. I'll have to see what I can find. OK, I've met some fairly experienced wikipedians who have fairly empty userpages, OTOH, if you do edit that greek orgs wikipedia page, you should state that you a member of that group in order to show that you do have a Conflict of Interest. My *first* edit was of the Wikipedia page of my GLO (fixing the alphabetical order of notable alumni), so I did it *really* early. I'm keeping an eye on the draft articles...Naraht (talk) 13:55, 13 February 2016 (UTC)

Yes, I haven't touched my frat's page and probably won't at all. You are right it was to make administration happy. It is on page 101 of this book. [1] BlackAmerican (talk) 06:47, 14 February 2016 (UTC)

@BlackAmerican:. Right. I think there is quite a bit more that can be extracted from BG101 without getting into problems with Copyright infringment. Oddly enough, I actually own a copy of Black Greek 101 (bought it when I was assigned as a staff representative to the Alpha Phi Omega chapter at Howard U.), and looked at the references in the book cited in the MALIK section and the refs in the book aren't useful in finding additional information (18 is a phone interview, 19-21 are from an unpublished pamphlet). Naraht (talk) 13:49, 14 February 2016 (UTC)

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Pi Gamma Omicron[edit]

You are free to move the article to userspace. They are now asking me to do things that I have no idea how to do. Worst case scenario, the article can go up for AFD. BlackAmerican (talk) 17:10, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

@BlackAmerican: Yes, but I do know how to do them and am really annoyed that that was used as the reason to reject. Let me talk to the user, worst case, I'll resubmit. I'd rather not move it myself, but there are other pathways and nothing has been lost. :annoyed:/:wicked smile:Naraht (talk) 19:04, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

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Looks great! I trust what you are doing! You were key in getting the articles accepted on AFC! BlackAmerican (talk) 13:07, 16 February 2016 (UTC)

@BlackAmerican: Please preview before you save (I forget often as well.) The version of the founders of Alpha Phi Alpha table that you saved was broken. Normally forgetting the second closing bracket doesn't screw things up *that* much, templates that make tables can be "touchy".Naraht (talk) 15:02, 16 February 2016 (UTC)

Eta Phi Beta[edit]

Eta Phi Beta, are the sources good? BlackAmerican (talk) 03:39, 22 February 2016 (UTC)

I put the references in better form, but in terms of notability, it still pretty thin. Epsilon Sigma Alpha for example is both collegiate and non-collegiate and has over 1000 chapters. For new sources I'd add Indianapolis Recorder,Indianapolis, https://newspapers.library.in.gov/cgi-bin/indiana?a=d&d=INR19711218-01.1.4&e=-------en-20--1--txt-txIN------- (18-dec-1971 page 4) and the Jacksonville Free Press entry http://ufdc.ufl.edu/UF00028305/00440 also reference back to the legislative resolutions at http://www.legis.ga.gov/Legislation/20112012/115136.pdf and/or ftp://ftp.legis.state.tx.us/bills/81R/billtext/html/house_resolutions/HR01800_HR01899/HR01866F.HTM for some of the facts. Not great secondary sources but best bet...Naraht (talk) 04:04, 22 February 2016 (UTC)
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Pi Sigma Epsilon[edit]

Logo for your current project: from the clients page at greeklicensing.com, the Pi Sigma Epsilon logo there is correct. While variations on this are visible around the web, I did some looking and am convinced the proper logo should show the spur bar in gold, and the disk containing the letters should be rendered in amethyst. Jax MN (talk) 19:46, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

Also, fairly recently, zealous speedy deleters twice removed pages that had been made for Pi Sigma Epsilon. If I can help on this one, let me know. Jax MN (talk) 16:34, 2 March 2016 (UTC)
@Jax MN: Dropped a note to the AFD proposer, he's sort of neutral on the idea of a new page. I just need to make sure the history is from Baird's and I should be OK. But I'll let you and him (User:Justlettersandnumbers) of you know when the Draft is finished before moving it. Naraht (talk) 16:59, 2 March 2016 (UTC)

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Use of "pages="?[edit]

My apologies again for screwing up your user name. When my patience starts wearing thin I tend to spend less time and care in proof-reading, but that is no excuse for collateral damage.

Anyway, I wanted to ask if you understand what I have been saying about using |pages= (in the citation/cite templates) for the inclusive page range of the source, and then appending the specific page number(s) after the template. I am also curious if you have considered using short cites just so that the voluminous full citations (such as at Alpha Phi Omega) could removed from the main text.~ J. Johnson (JJ) (talk) 23:28, 21 April 2016 (UTC)

@J. Johnson: I don't really understand. After doing all that work to pull the information into a Template:Cite Magazine putting information outside of it seems unreasonable. And in this type of magazine, articles often span multiple unconnected sections. If an article is on pages 19-21, 86, 88 & 89, things get worse. I don't understand short cites at all, other than they seem to be an alternative to Template:Rp which although I've used, I don't believe that I've used in Alpha Phi Omega.Naraht (talk) 02:41, 22 April 2016 (UTC)
Oh. Well, I'd be happy to help you. (In part because I am interested in learning to to better explain this kind of stuff.) That you go so far as to use the ugly {{rp}} template confirms that you recognize the value of providing the specific page numbers, but there really is no need to use {rp}; short cites are definitely the superior option. Would you like some examples?
That page ranges are discontinuous is no problem. Something like |pages= 19-21, 86, 88 & 89 is fine. (Quite common in newspapers, and especially the NYTimes, which often continues a story in a different section.)
That the specific page(s) are outside the template should not seem unreasonable, as the citation (and everything inside the template) is about the source itself, while a specific page number does not tell us anything more about source, only about where material is taken for use in the article. Look at it this way: does a source, or the description of a source (that is, its citation) change depending on how many articles use it? That each article may reference different parts of the source is a detail about each article, not the source; the full citation of an article should (essentially) be the same for all articles. Does that make sense? ~ J. Johnson (JJ) (talk) 20:11, 22 April 2016 (UTC)
@J. Johnson:In general, I use rp only in the cases where I've seen a *massive* reduction in the number of reference entries. See https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Slasher_film&type=revision&diff=709779493&oldid=709690315 for probably the most significant example I've done, The places where I expect to see Short cites are articles which cite to books, normally at least 4 books referenced more than once, and on average at least 4 cites to different locations in each book. (Would you agree that Jefferson Davis is a good example?) I simply tend not to work on that sort of article, as my interest is in Fraternities and Sororities, where the book I'd be most likely to use is Baird's Manual of American College Fraternities where the information on fraternity XYZ is going to be entirely on pages 487-491 (for example). Yes, Alpha Phi Alpha uses it and is a FA, but most of the Fraternity/Sorority pages aren't anywhere near that deep. Also, I personally don't particularly find rp usage ugly, *shrug*.Naraht (talk) 20:54, 22 April 2016 (UTC)
In general there is no reason for, and plenty of reason against, any repetition of a full citation (with its full load of all the bibliographic detail), so your big Slasher film edit was justified on that basis. However, plenty of editors quibble (maybe even fulminate?) against {{rp}}. It's ugly because it exposes a specific detail right in the text, while the citation it applies to is buried in a note. That it is a page number is not obvious (some readers inquire, but I think many just ignore it), and in fact sometimes it is not a page number, which causes more confusion. If an {rp} was added to a regular note (enclosed in <ref>...</ref> tags) containing a citation, it would seem obvious to just suck the page number into the note. But of course that doesn't work with a "named ref" ("<ref name= ...").
Which is another issue: if you repeat a citation with a named ref there is breakage if you edit a different section, and it can be tedious finding the citation itself if it needs to be edited. Short cites are definitely superior.
Short cites are not limited to books, or to four or more cites. Even if an article cited only (say) newspapers, and each source only once, it is advantageous to use short cites. That you associate short cites with articles that cite books, and multiple times, is, I suspect, because shorter and shallower articles (that don't cite books) tend to not use short cites. Less experienced editors especially don't want to bother initially with the slight extra trouble, and then when they do need to repeat a citation it is easier to use a named ref.
Jefferson Davis has good examples of short cites, including page specification. However, I am a bit surprised to see you all haven't used {{Harv}} templates to get the automagic linking. Well, that is probably because the article was originally written by someone who was set against using templates. I wonder: would there be any interest in converting that article, as a demonstration? ~ J. Johnson (JJ) (talk) 22:33, 22 April 2016 (UTC)

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Student org subcats[edit]

I can probably go forward to the present day. Backward, probably have to use an established by decade system.--Bellerophon5685 (talk) 19:31, 8 May 2016 (UTC)

Why isn't Category:Student organizations established in 1991 showing up in either Category:Student organizations established in the 1990s or Category:Organizations established in 1991?--Bellerophon5685 (talk) 20:35, 9 May 2016 (UTC)

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Response to your comments[edit]

  • "Wikipedia prefers prose for history" — The lines make for clarity and easy reading, and keep the reader oriented so he/she does not need to plod through and get lost in a mass of information, a lot of it disjointed. The bullet style minimizes connectives required in a narrative – in order to avoid wordiness and to facilitate the quick delivery of more info detail.
  • "some of the information (for examples on members of organizations that were responsible on bringing Scouting to the Philippines) doesn't appear to fit" — The information on the founding of the Rotary Club of Manila reflects an historian's interest in historical connections, that could look tangential to the casual reader. But since the information is not readily available elsewhere, I have chosen to include it in the chronology if only to provide the completeness which the historical researcher might require or which the interested reader might find fascinating. If you feel very strongly about it, I shall remove the passage on the founding of the Rotary Club of Manila.
  • "the references seem more used for parenthetical comments which probably belong in a separate notes section" — I am still working on achieving a balance between parenthetical comments and footnotes.
  • "Is there any article currently on Wikipedia that you are patterning it after?" — The timeline style is similarly used in Scouting for Filipino Boys (1949) and Boy Scout Book (1972), and the Wikipedia article "Boy Scouts of the Philippines."

(I'm not sure if I formatted this right.)Oliver Puertogallera (talk) 08:25, 18 May 2016 (UTC)

This article is the most comprehensive history of Philippine Boy Scouting anywhere. It would not fit in the Wikipedia article Boy Scouts of the Philippines, as I had planned it to be comprehensive, for the purpose of recovering, preserving, and disseminating the lost history of Philippine Scouting. I felt compelled to write it because no one else is willing and able to do it. The old guards are gone; I'm among the last remnants of the old days of Philippine Boy Scouting. If I didn't write this, my knowledge would die with me, and a lot would be lost. The last time something like this was done was in the Boy Scout Book of 1972. I tried and could not find a single copy of that work anywhere, not even in the National Library which handles copyrighting in the Philippines.
Before this Wikipedia article was made, the charter members of the BSA Philippine Islands Council were nothing more than 20 or 22 names in a list. Although sometimes inserted in BSP printed material, no one knew who they were (except for Manuel Camus and Arsenio Luz who were also charter members of the Boy Scouts of the Philippines). For the very first time, they are being introduced to the Philippine Scouting world. That is how important this Wikipedia article is. (Possibly, it could also be the last time those pioneers will ever be remembered. As this article does not toe the party line regarding history, it could be suppressed or revised later. I tried before to disseminate info through the Wikipedia "List of Scouts," but an editor in the Netherlands performed a "clean-up" that left the list sterile and senseless.) Hence, I feel that the biographies should be included, if only to teach new generations of Filipino Scouts about their heritage and to give them good examples for emulation, like Doltz, Carman, Bordner, Townsend, Chapman, Hart, Quasha, etc.
Some Scouts are also interested in Scouting history. If they could derive gratification from reading something substantial on Philippine Scouting history, it might develop in them a regular reading habit, something that most Filipinos don't engage in, and might encourage them to do further research following leads within the short narratives included in this article.
On APO (P), I've already deleted several references to APO (P). BSP National President Binay, holder of the BSP Presidency for the longest time, is also the most famous APO (P) member in history.Oliver Puertogallera (talk) 08:05, 19 May 2016 (UTC)

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If you wish to revert, you are more than free to do so. But it is parallel with SNCC above. Take care, fellow editor and friend. Freddiem (talk) 18:37, 31 May 2016 (UTC)

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Phi Delta Phi[edit]

I would say keep both cats.--Bellerophon5685 (talk) 19:53, 15 June 2016 (UTC)

I think the Category:Phi Delta Phi should be under both subcats if it at one point was an honor society and at another a professional frat. I think that would make more sense.--Bellerophon5685 (talk) 20:02, 15 June 2016 (UTC)

The main article and list of inns should be under Category:Phi Delta Phi which should be under both cats. There is also, I think, a category for lists of frat chapters, so that could also be added for the inns.--Bellerophon5685 (talk) 20:06, 15 June 2016 (UTC)

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Alpha Phi Omega[edit]

Perhaps you know more about this than I, but how exactly is this a a professional frat? What profession is it attached to?--Bellerophon5685 (talk) 21:09, 15 June 2016 (UTC)

@Bellerophon5685: The definition given by the PFA says "The fraternity shall be identified by, or related to a field of study or common interest. ". Note this is a relatively recent expansion (I think APO joined in the 1990s after the change.) Alpha Phi Omega's common interest is considered to be Service. See http://professionalfraternity.org/fraternal-members where the right hand side gives the area for each group. Similarly, I'm not sure that Phi Sigma Pi as with its emphasis being "Honors" fits the standard definition. Note, the average brother of Alpha Phi Omega doesn't even know about the membership in the PFA and I don't think there was any change in the way that the fraternity ran its affairs caused by it.Naraht (talk) 21:18, 15 June 2016 (UTC)


Wine Psi Phi[edit]

Website says 1959. http://www.durhamwinepsiphi.org/history.html BlackAmerican (talk) 21:28, 21 July 2016 (UTC)

Yep, if you want you can make a point of clarification on the article. BlackAmerican (talk) 21:24, 22 July 2016 (UTC)

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Kappa Sigma Page[edit]

I run the Public Relations for Kappa Sigma and I am making necessary updates. I would appreciate if you would go back and redo the changes that I made. Zbrabs (talk) 13:47, 9 August 2016 (UTC)ZRB

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An online publication composed of "a dedicated staff of more than 100 volunteer contributors" is not something that I'd typically consider a reliable source. Can you provide evidence that scholarly sources consider it to be scholarly as well? Is an article from this publication likely to appear in the literature review section of an academic journal article dealing with the same subject? Is it overseen by an organisation with a reputation for reliability in the field, e.g. a governmental agency? Nyttend (talk) 12:09, 22 October 2016 (UTC)

I notice...[edit]

you've been trying to mentor our prolific Filipino friend. Has any advice you've given sunk in? I want to cry... every few days, another BSP content fork. It's like herding cats...

Kintetsubuffalo not recently. I'd say Enthusiastic.Naraht (talk) 14:39, 27 October 2016 (UTC)
Forgot to sign last time, sorry. Yeah, intervention is a perfect word. I'm at wit's end, and I wasn't that far to go before.--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 14:49, 27 October 2016 (UTC)
Kintetsubuffalo I do think there are some articles where he's done a pretty good job. I'd love to see some of his articles go to prose though. We just have to get his attention.Naraht (talk) 14:53, 27 October 2016 (UTC)
Oh, he's killer at research, I wish I could get him on board for cleanup for other articles. I even suggested two Phil bios we actually need. No dice. And I don't want to have to be the guy who takes the info out of the tables and puts it into prose again-ye gods!--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 14:58, 27 October 2016 (UTC)
KintetsubuffaloAnd I definitely think that that is the *tougher* part for the Philippines. I've spent months on and off trying to get information on the Fraternities and Sororities in the Philippines and it is fairly difficult. I've had an easier time finding information on American Social Fraternities that have been inactive for 50 years than on fraternities and sororities that I know exist *today* in the Philippines.Naraht (talk) 15:01, 27 October 2016 (UTC)
And I'm trying to do the same for 2 dozen deceased Japanese Scout notables, with a reticent and lazy national office not helping or answering requests. People just aren't into history as we think they should be. I understand his passion, I am totally not against him, I really do get what he wrote above, there's just a way it gets done, and a place it gets done, and he's not interested in the method. He even quoted wiki policy on prose, so why it's in all these pretty-colored useless boxes... he's not going to inspire legions of new Pinoy readers that way. I've had to re-rename articles, I've had to re-remove undue weight from other articles that bear just a hint of Venn-diagramming with his subjects...--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 15:10, 27 October 2016 (UTC)
At least for the Philippine Fraternities and sororities, the newspaper sources are in my native languages. :) I'm just wondering what articles he's using as a guide (and if there are any fix them as well). Yeah, I see some venn diagramming as well. I also am *not* looking forward to putting the 5 pieces of the history back together. Also, do you consider Philippine scouting during the Marcos years to be a separate organization or not?Naraht (talk) 16:26, 27 October 2016 (UTC)
I say it's an iteration. This, now, is my specialty, look at Polish ZHP, Ukrainian Plast and the Yugoslav SIJ. Poland unlike the rest of the Soviet bloc never got rid of their Scouts or adopted Pioneers, they just coopted Scouting as it had played such a vital role in the Warsaw Uprising. Plast has existed in six phases they recognize, most in exile and just back in Ukraine for the last 20 odd years. SIJ like ZHP became commie Scouting, then the branches split to create the 6 modern post-Yugo orgs, but if they hadn't, I would consider them all to be the same org, with the same pedigree, just during a political hiccup. Check out Japan, I outline the name changes in the first paragraph, but I wouldn't think of forking them. Now, had Marcos done away with the Scouts entirely, or merged several existing ones with different histories, like Indonesia, those would warrant their own articles, just like the early non-BSA Scouts in America. But to my eyes it's the same org in a strange period.--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 16:42, 27 October 2016 (UTC)
Kintetsubuffalo Welp, we'll keep that in mind in the merge...Naraht (talk) 16:58, 27 October 2016 (UTC)
See you've tried preaching teamwork, and yet... jeez.--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 02:29, 28 October 2016 (UTC)
This is disheartening...--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 11:53, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

The Signpost: 4 November 2016[edit]

Trijicon edit[edit]

Just wanted you to know I updated that page. I hope its up to standard now. Thanks for pointing that out to me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Usaf2222 (talkcontribs) 05:34, 5 November 2016 (UTC)

*whew*[edit]

Okay, got them all merged, I kept them as blocks as I don't have the patience to wade through all the TLDR. I am sorry we couldn't engage him at the AFD, but everyone has to make their own path here. I am absolutely certain that nothing important was deleted, as he was meticulous about duplication, cross-pollinating and overemphasis.--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 06:25, 5 November 2016 (UTC)

Kintetsubuffalo Sorry as well. Let me know if you want help watching the articles and we'll see what he edits from here...Naraht (talk) 18:03, 5 November 2016 (UTC)
I get the sinking feeling he's given up, used to see something from him every day, only 2 edits since the AfD.--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 02:03, 6 November 2016 (UTC)
Talk:Philippine Islands Council (Boy Scouts of America) sigh.--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 11:34, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

I just started stubs...[edit]

on Jorge Maria Cui, Guillermo R. Padolina and Francisco S. Román, if you know more, please add it! :)

I found he keeps a grudge list on his user page, and I am all over it. :( Oh well.--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 07:14, 11 November 2016 (UTC)

Oh, and Hermengildo B. Reyes is badly in need of cleanup. Help?--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 07:16, 11 November 2016 (UTC)

Kintetsubuffalo I'll see what I can do Monday.Naraht (talk) 19:02, 12 November 2016 (UTC)
KintetsubuffaloNaraht (talk) 19:03, 12 November 2016 (UTC)
and J. Plaridel Silvestre. Thank you for the source-that-shall-not-be-cited, it is just as blotchy as our stuff ;) but has filled in some puzzle pieces and question marks, and occasionally they cite something I can use, even Wiki in other languages.
noting throughout the Pinoy bios that our friend likes to use faux diacritics, where neither Spanish nor Tagalog articles (when there is one) support those markings.--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 05:35, 17 November 2016 (UTC)
Try to take a look. And I don't think they are necessarily Faux, but more formal. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filipino_alphabet#DiacriticsNaraht (talk) 12:27, 17 November 2016 (UTC)
Kintetsubuffalo!!!!
Wow, totally didn't get the ping. I heard you have to sign it again for the ping to work. I mean the accents on Spanish names where the Spaniards don't even accent. I just did Wendel Avisado, kept it short as the news articles I found were less than scandal-free.--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 15:18, 26 November 2016 (UTC)
KintetsubuffaloYeah, with four exclamation points it doesn't count it as signed. And if the name is used in Filipino, then it will have Filipino accents. Do you have an example of one with the accents that I can dive deeper on?Naraht (talk) 21:37, 26 November 2016 (UTC)
Like this stuff, which he has now removed (he's been debulking too much now, and the wrong things, but...) I'm hiding it as you don't need a wall of text on your page. --Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 02:36, 27 November 2016 (UTC)
From further research, basically, they (Palatuldikan) are the current *correct* way to write the language, *but* rarely used outside dictionaries and school. Newspapers for example at this point don't use them, and government documents rarely do. See http://www.101languages.net/tagalog/writing_system.html . I'm curious how the tagalog wiktionary deals with them.Naraht (talk) 15:41, 27 November 2016 (UTC)
KintetsubuffaloNaraht (talk) 16:14, 27 November 2016 (UTC)
Kintetsubuffalo In regards to the Diacritics, see Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Philippine-related_articles#Modern_figures , it says "This means, in general, that no diacritics are to be used unless they are widely used, as in the case of the name José and the surname Osmeña."Naraht (talk) 18:39, 29 November 2016 (UTC)

nice catches![edit]

Sometimes the eyes get tired, also I had parked Alexatos in my redlist just in case he got deleted, didn't clean it all up after he was saved. Thanks and g'night from Japan.--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 15:51, 13 November 2016 (UTC)

New Page Review needs your help[edit]

Hi Naraht,

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Although New Page Reviewing can occasionally be somewhat more challenging than AfC, the criteria for obtaining the right are roughly the same. The Page Curation tool is even easier to use than the Helper Script, so it's likely that most AfC reviewers already have more than enough knowledge for the task of New Page Review.

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Your submission at Articles for creation: Craig Anderson (2) (November 30)[edit]

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Had you seen this group?[edit]

Per your interest in APO: Alpha Delta National Fraternity Jax MN (talk) 19:45, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

Jax MN Take a look at the History page for the article. I had four edits on the page within an hour of it going to mainspace :) I've been keeping track of the issues with the all-male chapters in Alpha Phi Omega and the gradual changeover to co-ed (or going underground) and ultimately this split off since I was an undergraduate brother in the late 1980s. I also have things that I'd love to the article but only know from talking to Alpha Phi Omega alumni volunteers who won't go on record. :) (TLDR:Yes!)Naraht (talk) 21:54, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

BBC 12-hour Editathon - large influx of new pages & drafts expected[edit]

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This will come back to haunt me at ANI one day. I guarantee it.[edit]

I guess we're fortunate it doesn't link somewhere else.[FBDB] TimothyJosephWood 17:37, 19 December 2016 (UTC)

Timothyjosephwood I'm still trying to figure out emotions what it would mean as an emoji if it meant the other. :)Naraht (talk) 18:51, 19 December 2016 (UTC)
Wikt:pain in the ass? TimothyJosephWood 18:57, 19 December 2016 (UTC)
Timothyjosephwood Only if you don't do it right. :)Naraht (talk) 13:53, 20 December 2016 (UTC)

Cincopa page in Sandbox[edit]

Hello Naraht I have noticed that on 16 December 2016 you moved the Cincopa page to sandbox (if I understood the log correctly). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:James.h259/sandbox What does it mean? I would like to see a page about Cincopa in Wikipedia. More than 2 years ago it was deleted as someone probably wrote bad description. Could you kindly suggest what should be done to add the page. Cincopa is 10 years old big company with a lot of users all over the world. It is kind of strange that it does not have its own Wikipedia page, as companies much smaller then Cincopa have wikipedia pages. Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Irina1953 (talkcontribs) 12:13, 20 December 2016 (UTC)

Irina1953 I did not move it to sandbox, I altered the entries for the *categories* so that they would not show up in categories that are only for articles which are published articles. When the article is published, the colons get removed.
As for creating an article on Cincopa, I've looked at the Deletion record at Cincopa and it was deleted three times, once after a discussion in 2009 and then twice in 2011, one of them because it was done as advertising, the other simply as a recreation of a deleted page. Given that history, I would suggest going through WP:Articles for Creation process where it can be helped and approved by an experienced user. I guess this can be treated as an abandoned draft and thus can be edited in place.Naraht (talk) 14:04, 20 December 2016 (UTC)

The Signpost: 22 December 2016[edit]

not you...[edit]

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The Signpost: 17 January 2017[edit]

Category:2000 births[edit]

I know its not for user articles but I like it on mine. I don't go around and edit your User Page. Caleb Woods (talk) 15:29, 26 January 2017 (UTC)Caleb Woods

The Signpost: 6 February 2017[edit]

if you'd like...[edit]

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A barnstar for you![edit]

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For your wonderful work in updating infoboxes. Magioladitis (talk) 17:18, 16 February 2017 (UTC)

Help requested[edit]

Maybe you could help with Category:United States articles with deprecated tags? I can even provide you a script if needed. -- Magioladitis (talk) 14:25, 17 February 2017 (UTC)

Magioladitis I don't understand how this category is filled. For the political articles, I know that I'm working from one template (or its children (which are a pain)) and that the articles that have a problem are at Category:Pages using infobox political party with unknown parameters and/or Category:Political party articles using deprecated parameters. This seems to be *much* wider and from looking at the first article, the category is on the talk page with no indication when the article is edited as to what is the problem.

Example. The category in fact contains all wrap templates of {{WikiProject United States}}. User:Magioladitis/WikiProjects provides a custom module to bypass redirects to WikiProjects. If this is run to the category it should fix 90-95% of them. There is a chance that new redirects were created recently. -- Magioladitis (talk) 14:34, 17 February 2017 (UTC)

Magioladitis, I'm still not quite sure on how this is run, I'll take more of a look after I go through the article infobox fixes.Naraht (talk) 15:43, 17 February 2017 (UTC)

Logo removals[edit]

Hi. Edits like this get the logo removed, which leads to deletions of Fair Use image. --Soman (talk) 07:26, 19 February 2017 (UTC)

Wikiproject![edit]

Hello, Naraht! I saw you recently edited a page related to the Green party and green politics. There is a new WikiProject that has been formed - WikiProject Green Politics and I thought this might be something you'd be interested in joining! So please head on over to the project page and take a look! Thanks for your time. Me-123567-Me (talk) 20:54, 21 February 2017 (UTC)

Me-123567-Me , thanks, but not at this time. I'm currently working on a WikiGnome-like project fixing the depreciated and unused fields in infoboxes.Naraht (talk) 21:00, 21 February 2017 (UTC)

Left Party (France)[edit]

Hey. The seat counts of the party can be added in manually, in the standard party infobox. Neither PS nor LR use the French-specific infobox, so if that's your main concern, then you could easily copy-paste the code from those articles, and modify it to suit PG's seat count. The reason why I reverted your edit is that it removed the party's logo, and the colored lines in the infobox. Μαρκος Δ (talk) 17:52, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

Now I've added the seats to the standard infobox. Cheers :) Μαρκος Δ (talk) 17:59, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

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Profess[edit]

this is wrong Profess = Professional students, not faculty! Frietjes (talk) 16:33, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

Frietjes OK. What *should* they be counted as in the infoboxes, because there are infoboxes with both profess and graduate students. Just nuke them?Naraht (talk) 16:35, 13 March 2017 (UTC)
yes, just nuke them or use |other_students=. hopefully you kept track of all the pages you changed. Frietjes (talk) 16:36, 13 March 2017 (UTC)
Frietjes I do keep track, also, I was at one point turning faculties into faculty, but undid those since it appears to be closer to "constitutent colleges", agreed?Naraht (talk) 16:37, 13 March 2017 (UTC)
yes, faculties is probably constituent colleges. by the way, this one was probably okay. the problem is that without context, it's difficult to know what "profess" means. Frietjes (talk) 16:38, 13 March 2017 (UTC)
Agreed. And if I don't know, then deletion is probably best. (Trying to clean out the Category:Pages using infobox university with unknown parameters)
I would say either (1) inspect it to make sure the transformation makes sense, or (2) just comment it out. and, you appear to be adding many articles to Category:Pages using duplicate arguments in template calls, which is another sign that there could be a problem, since the parameter may already exist. Frietjes (talk) 16:41, 13 March 2017 (UTC)
FrietjesFor the transformation, I did try to look to see if faculty already existed, but apparently not well enough. I need to back through the dup pages to check. Thanx.Naraht (talk) 16:43, 13 March 2017 (UTC)Naraht (talk) 16:43, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

Help desk: How to flip tables[edit]

I tried doing that and it worked, but you have to link everything again. Excel also formats the records as dates, turning 12-4 into Dec. 4. WikiOriginal-9 (talk) 22:00, 22 March 2017 (UTC)

WikiOriginal-9 Yup. Not perfect. I'd also drop the entire text into a UNIX file and use a unix command that outputs the results in reverse order of lines. I'd had tables that have gone back and forth between Excel and UNIX/with vi several times before I've gotten them working. See List of Alpha Phi Omega chapters (geographical)Naraht (talk) 23:24, 22 March 2017 (UTC)

Giannena[edit]

Hello ΠΑΕ is an economic term. AE (Anonymos etaireia) means "private company". P is for Podosferikos (football) So PAE means football private company. It is used for football teams to show that they are professional

Now abt a possible mix of greek and latin letters, it may happens because of their similarity

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What were you trying to do here?[edit]

With this edit, your replaced all the categories on this page with links to the categories, breaking the category tree, and your edit summary seems to be completely unrelated to what you were doing. Was this an automated edit? If so, you might want to go back and make sure you haven't done the same thing to any other pages. —swpbT 19:33, 10 April 2017 (UTC)

swpb It was part of an effort to eliminate polluted categories (by doing that to the userspace pages in such categories rather than to the categories themselves). I thought that I had cleaned up my mistakes from that effort, thank you for catching that one.Naraht (talk) 20:15, 10 April 2017 (UTC)

Edge is not Explorer[edit]

You said "Edge (or whatever they are calling Internet Explorer now)". Ever since I got my new computer, I don't get to use Explorer. Actually, Explorer will come up in certain situations, but it performed very poorly until my phone company upgraded my speed without charging me more.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 20:54, 22 May 2017 (UTC)

Your draft article, Draft:Craig Anderson (2)[edit]

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Help with a link[edit]

Hi Naraht. I've a puzzle for you. Do you know why this link: New York wouldn't show up properly on this page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Phi_Sigma_Kappa_chapters#List_of_Chapters
I've recently adjusted it from [[New York (state)|New York]] to [[New York]], but either way, the wikilink doesn't show up properly within the table for any of the 15 or so times it is used. I cut-and-pasted the letters directly and am using what appears to be the right format for that template, but to no avail. Hmmm? Jax MN (talk) 21:07, 10 June 2017 (UTC)

Jax MN. 1) The issue is that you were using lowercase state rather than upper case state. But 2) You should change it back, I think. See Talk:New_York#Proposed_action_to_resolve_incorrect_incoming_links Naraht (talk) 21:18, 10 June 2017 (UTC)

Re: Golden Key[edit]

Well, if I find positive press coverage, I'm willing to add it, but none of the independent sourcing is written from the standpoint that they're doing much of anything good these days. I have university access to the full Chronicle article, and I did actually include some backstory about the original vision, which, at least in theory, sounds rather noble - an antidote to the old-boy elitism of Ye Olde Honoure Societies, by basing membership strictly on merits. I think all I have to do is state nom withdrawn and the AfD regulars will take care of the rest - sometimes it takes a day or so. Chubbles (talk) 19:41, 15 June 2017 (UTC)

The Signpost: 23 June 2017[edit]