User talk:Narky Blert

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DN tag[edit]

Hello. It would be nice if you used a complete phrase in Edit summaries. I have no idea what "DN tag" means (though I could look it up), and neither do lots of other people. Sincerely, your friend, BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 16:12, 6 January 2018 (UTC)

I'm trying "dab-needed tag" instead. Narky Blert (talk) 17:35, 6 January 2018 (UTC)

DAB link repair[edit]

Hi Narky, i think it would be better to change this [1] DAB as "Assyria". It has been discussed before and as other editors ascertained [2][3][4] the term refers to ancient Assyria (because the section in the article is about antiquity), and has nothing to do with one of the disputed[5] terms used by modern Syriac Christians, see [6]. In this case, fixing-repairing the DAB link as "Assyria" seems more accurate. I can't do it, because the page is semi-protected and I am not registered. Can you please fix it? Cheers. 192.222.219.35 (talk) 18:47, 9 January 2018 (UTC)

Done. Assyria/n/s are notoriously tricky terms to get right (as that to-and-fro over where Assyrians should redirect illustrates). I too have come the modern disputed term. Narky Blert (talk) 19:22, 9 January 2018 (UTC)

Forth Bridge[edit]

Hi there, the dab tags at Forth Bridge regard clarification as to whether North or South Queensferry is intended, per a post I made on the talk page, so I've put them back in place. I dabbed several other instances in the article a few days ago but these two were less clear so I didn't want to guess them and tagged them instead. The first of the two is probably South Q, from the preceding sentences, but it isn't certain and the second could be either. All the best. Mutt Lunker (talk) 11:38, 10 January 2018 (UTC)

@Mutt Lunker: in that case they should be {{clarify}} tags not {{dn}} tags. {{dn}} tags are only to be used on links to DAB pages. From the documentation, "This tag is used on a link that needs to be improved because it goes to a disambiguation page. The tag is intended to be used only when an editor has tried to fix the link but not succeeded". {{clarify}} also has the advantage of a |reason= parameter which explains the problem on mousing-over. Narky Blert (talk) 12:20, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
Aha, ok. I'll change it. Mutt Lunker (talk) 15:15, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
@Mutt Lunker: - a tip. If the sources are unclear and you think the problem will be impossible ever to solve, you could add a non-WP:OR footnote, e.g. "The sources simply say Queensferry; it is unclear whether they mean North Queensferry or South Queensferry." Not as satisfactory as finding the true answer; but at least of some help to readers, by telling them that there is a puzzle which an editor has tried to solve. I've used that technique with e.g. mediaeval history and the birthplaces of Polish emigrés, where there's very likely no surviving record. Opening a discussion on the Talk Page, as you have done, can also be a good idea. Yrs, Narky Blert (talk) 15:30, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
Good idea. Probably can't address it now but will return later. Thanks. Mutt Lunker (talk) 15:33, 10 January 2018 (UTC)

Belated best wishes for a happy 2018[edit]

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Thank you for your contributions toward making Wikipedia a better and more accurate place.

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You just confused me...[edit]

The edit summary of this edit you made just sounds so wrong...you do realise the other meaning of that word? Right? VibeScepter (talk) 15:55, 20 January 2018 (UTC)

@VibeScepter: it shows in the article as {{disambiguation needed}}, to which {{dab needed}} redirects. Yrs, Narky Blert (talk) 16:01, 20 January 2018 (UTC)

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S-line[edit]

Just to let you know that I've made quite a few changes recently to pages related to S-line, including the station subtemplates. If you find anything seriously amiss in China, Malaysia/Singapore, Thailand or New Zealand, please let me know as I may have messed up. Thanks, Certes (talk) 12:27, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

@Certes: Thanks for the heads-up, and will do.
I'm working my way through Disambiguation pages with links for the third time, and so should find any new S-line DAB problems. (I find it a good place to work: hardly any duplication of effort, and sooner or later everything gets looked at. I'm also bookmarking DAB problems, some longstanding, which specialist WikiProjects may be able to solve.) Yrs, Narky Blert (talk) 13:40, 23 January 2018 (UTC)
Thanks for the reminder. I use page one of that report to fix pages with many links but just realised I can search it for "station" to check my work. It won't reveal any links that I may have inadvertently sent to the wrong article or turned red, but hopefully they are few. Certes (talk) 15:07, 23 January 2018 (UTC)
@Certes: This discussion Template talk:S-line#Disambiguation, and especially what looks like its conclusion, might interest you. Narky Blert (talk) 16:11, 26 January 2018 (UTC)
Thanks. I think I've got my head round some of the intricacies but link1= will be handy, especially when the article title is an an unusual format that doesn't correspond to any settings of the existing parameters. Certes (talk) 17:34, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

Manhattan Transfer ft. Yes[edit]

I think this edit should finally dispose of the link from M23 (New York City bus) to Yes. I've made a similar changes to sort out Woodhaven and Cross Bay Boulevards buses and dozens of subway templates such as {{7 (New York City Subway service)}} that were all recording wikilinks to yes or T or whatever parameter value the editor typed in to mean "select this option". Certes (talk) 19:00, 30 January 2018 (UTC)

@Certes: Good work! These template creators really do give WP:DPL a run for their money.
Perhaps they might team up on "Route 66", considering how much of a nuisance some of the road templates can be. Narky Blert (talk) 19:34, 30 January 2018 (UTC)

Seeking Talk Page Feedback[edit]

As you have edited Illinois gubernatorial election, 2018 in the last month, I am seeking your feedback on my post Talk:Illinois gubernatorial election, 2018#Non Notable Endorsements. Your thoughts are appreciated--Mpen320 (talk) 14:40, 8 February 2018 (UTC)


ZenCash(Cryptocurrency) New Unreviewed Article Disambiguation[edit]

Dear Narky Blert

I would appreciate your help to review and cleaning my brand new article.

There is a disambiguation problem between Z Classic, Zcash and ZenCash that is needed to be solved. Maybe you can help me in redirect, move or reorder this to the right place

I would really appreciate your experience and comments to improve it.

Regards

--Fergus_Manx 00:22, 10 February 2018 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by SpaceMAN (talkcontribs)

James Hart[edit]

Hi, I noticed you fixed a dab link for James Hart on the Prince Edward page. The list of politicians is in a table formatted using the OntMPP template. To add a disambiguation to the table use the "RepLink" parameter as in this example:

Prince Edward
Assembly Years Member Party
5th  1883–1886 James Hart

Just in case you find anymore.

Thanks! EncyclopediaUpdaticus (talk) 15:41, 11 February 2018 (UTC)

@EncyclopediaUpdaticus: Thanks for formatting the link. I was just pleased that the first fix I tried worked. I know the DAB fixes for a dozen or so templates; hardly two are the same. Some templates are so convoluted that after 15 minutes of trying various solutions (including reading the documentation, if any), I've had to post on the template Talk Page. Narky Blert (talk) 15:48, 11 February 2018 (UTC)

Recruiting help[edit]

Have you thought of recruiting help for the many links about India? I find the geography of some of these places baffling: Ireland, England, Italy, Poland, Russia, Germany. So many places with the same name that require knowing the divisions and subdivisions of the geography. Rarely are those divisions given in sources which write about them.
Vmavanti (talk) 15:00, 19 February 2018 (UTC)

@Vmavanti: IMO Russian and (especially) Polish links can be the most difficult. One problem is that links to Polish placenames sometimes relate to places now in Russia, Ukraine or Belarus, where the spelling and pronunciation are different. (An example without ambiguity is Lwów/Lviv/Львів.)
The problems with the Subcontinent are that the English articles are often missing, and that the local Wikis aren't very good. I think I've only ever found useful info in Nepali, Tamil and Telugu; nothing at all in very major languages like Bengali, Hindi and Urdu. However, there are a couple of not quite WP:RS sites which turn up in Google searches - and if they give coordinates, the next step is Google Maps. I've been able to think up good redlink qualifiers that way.
I'm in UK, and am comfortable with the geography of Britain and Ireland. Some problems can be solved using local knowledge. Some early ones can be solved by a WP:NPOV footnote, along the lines of "The source just says [[Place (disambiguation|Place]]. It might be referring to [[This Place]] or [[That Place]], and it is possible that no-one will ever know". Of course, that isn't good enough if sources might still exist (parish records or the like).
With these sorts of problem, my first line of attack is always to look at the home-language Wiki or Wikis to see if there's a sound-looking link there. (Sometimes translators forget to bring the whole link across; sometimes there's a WP:PRIMARYTOPIC in another language, and it's clear from the context that it's correct.) I've often solved problems by looking at the home-language DAB page and adding an {{ill}} link. (I've linked to well over 100 non-English Wikis, and got useful info from another 10. I can read most European languages, backed up by Google Translate if necessary.)
I keep up to date with Category:Articles with links needing disambiguation; I've worked through all of it. I cycle through Disambiguation pages with links (currently halfway through my third run; should be complete in about 4 weeks; then back to the top again). If there's a {{dn}} tag, I'll see it (sometimes more than once); so if you come across a non-English problem whose solution isn't immediately obvious, stick one on, or {{ping}} me. Yrs, Narky Blert (talk) 16:06, 19 February 2018 (UTC)
Maybe you can explain English geography to me. Here's an example. Albert Elms, born in Newington, Kent, England. Newington needs to be disambiguated. Clicking on the link shows
  • Newington, London
  • Newington, Swale, Kent
  • Newington, Shepway, Kent
  • Newington, Thanet, Kent
  • Newington, Oxfordshire
  • Newington, Shropshire, Craven Arms

In England, when people refer to their towns, whether in speech or writing, what place do they say? How specific are they? You can't say just "Kent" or just "Newington" unless you want to remain anonymous. A newspaper reporter would have to say, "Albert Elms is from Newington, Swale, Kent" or something like that to eliminate ambiguity. I imagine there are reasons for these divisions and this naming system. I find an interesting disparity between where people live and what others say about where they live. Or don't say, if you get my point. In America, there's a Miami University in Miami, Florida and a Miami University in Oxford, Ohio. The latter is always called "Miami of Ohio". When we hear the word "Miami", most everyone thinks of Florida, the city, then the school.
Vmavanti (talk) 21:18, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

@Vmavanti: I'd seen that particular problem. It looks impossible to solve without local research into written registers. The obits just say "Newington, Kent". I can rule out Newington, London (it used to be in Surrey) and the places in Oxfordshire and Shropshire. That leaves three places in Kent. (1) Newington, Thanet is a suburb, so you'd likely say you came from Newington in Ramsgate. (2) Newington, Shepway is a village, so you'd likely say you came from Newington near Folkestone. (Ramsgate and Folkestone are well-known places.) (3) My WP:OR suggests Newington, Swale, and I'd put money on it – but I'd need evidence before committing to that in Wiki.
In UK, we usually just say or write the placename, possibly with a descriptive qualifier. There are subleties, sometimes regional ones. "I'm from Newcastle" almost always means Newcastle-upon-Tyne (and the Geordie accent and the stress "Newcástle" was probably a giveaway). "Newcastle" for Newcastle-under-Lyme is very local. "I'm from Durham" means Durham, England, everywhere; because otherwise you'd have said "from County Durham".
In Scotland, another historic formula might be "I'm from A of B", where B might be a county, a region, or a clan.
In old sources, "he had land in A and B" almost always means places very nearby, if not adjoining. You needed to be able to ride there and back within a day to make sure that your steward wasn't robbing you.
Another fertile source of confusion: things like "Baron of A", where "A" is quite possibly the name of a castle or other building which has no relation at all to any inhabited place of the same name. Perhaps even more so in continental Europe: "of/de/von A" often means "Château A" or "Schloss A", the place where noble family "A" lived. Narky Blert (talk) 22:56, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

Re: Westlife[edit]

Kindly specifically point out the unsourced contents. Thank you

Surya Jayaweera[edit]

Hi there. I'm trying to remove the advertisement tag on Surya Jayaweera and I've already edited it. If it's not much of a bother, would you be willing to look at it and give me some pointers? Thank you very much. Dodgetherocks (talk) 23:27, 25 February 2018 (UTC)

Still looks like {{advert}} to me, and also as perhaps failing WP:NBIO. I'll have a look. WP:CANVASSing may sometimes bite you in the ass. Narky Blert (talk) 23:58, 25 February 2018 (UTC)
Any further discussion should take place at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Surya Jayaweera, to avoid WP:CONTENTFORK. Narky Blert (talk) 00:45, 26 February 2018 (UTC)

Your very useful queries...[edit]

... at the G&R project page are much appreciated; your latest there has spawned a very enjoyable expansion at Cyrus (architect). Haploidavey (talk) 21:43, 3 March 2018 (UTC)

@Haploidavey: TY! I've just upgraded Cyrus from stub to start. That article will probably never be more than start-class, like many such, but it now reads well. (I can read Latin, slowly (I have a Grade 2 'O'-Level (numbered levels preceded lettered ones) in the language, from rather too long ago), and can transliterate Greek.)
In my experience, Wikipedia:Wikiproject Classics members are world-class at solving this sort of problem; ones which I have failed to solve using DGRBM and DGRG. Narky Blert (talk) 22:26, 3 March 2018 (UTC)
It's a nice wee article, isn't it? My GCE Latin classes did me no good at all, because I spent them helplessly, furtively ogling the agonisingly beautiful Anne-Marie. Sigh. We didn't have Greek until 6th form and I was so horribly bad at Latin, they wouldn't even let me sit the final exam. As you might imagine, dealing with Latin for Wikipedia articles is not my forte. I remain deeply thankful for the dear old DGRBM & DGRG, and my better-educated colleagues. Haploidavey (talk) 00:02, 4 March 2018 (UTC)

quick question![edit]

Hi, thank you for your contributions. You show up on my watchlist all the time :) I wanted to ask you about disambiguation pages, as I'm still fairly new to all this stuff. I saw this edit you made: [7], where you added indefinite articles ("an xxx, a yyy, a zzz...") to every entry. My impression is that having all those as and ans is needlessly repetitive, and it doesn't improve the clarity. Is there a rule about this? If there is a rule, I'm happy to work with it. But otherwise, I don't see how this makes dab pages better :S Thanks! Dr. Vogel (talk) 14:02, 20 March 2018 (UTC)

@DrVogel: don't drop the Manual of Style on your foot! Those indefinite articles are in line with MOS:DABENTRY.
On the other hand, descriptions of people should not start with an indefinite article. See MOS:DABPEOPLE.
Always happy to help. Narky Blert (talk) 14:15, 20 March 2018 (UTC)
I've had a look. Am I being naive, or is that incredibly inconsistent?? Dr. Vogel (talk) 16:15, 20 March 2018 (UTC)
@DrVogel: I'm tempted towards your second suggestion. If you think that's bad, have a look at MOS:TITLECAPS; which I find confusing to apply and ugly to look at. It could have been written by the Compositors and Typesetters Union, a fictional closed shop. Rules like those are now carved in stone.
Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and just about no-one can edit correctly. Narky Blert (talk) 16:44, 20 March 2018 (UTC)
Haha, seriously, what a mess. But thanks for your help and for being welcoming to new editors. Dr. Vogel (talk) 08:22, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

Salomon[edit]

Just to let you know you made a mistake with this edit. The Salomon case was a UK case, not an American one. 188.29.164.234 (talk) 07:38, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

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Every time i see you plow through a huge list of taxonomers, i think "Thank goth for Narky Blert!" Nessie (talk) 16:53, 21 March 2018 (UTC)
@Nessie:Thank you! It needed doing, and was interesting to do. You had already done a lot of useful work by adding 16K to that Pison article. Narky Blert (talk) 17:24, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

Long unbroken list of French places[edit]

French geography baffles me. Do you know someone who can break up this list into logical sections? Thanks. I think readers would appreciate that. See Bourg.
Vmavanti (talk) 00:38, 23 March 2018 (UTC)

@Vmavanti: yuck! what a mess. I've split the list as best I can. The French scheme to distinguish multiple places with the same name is typically to hyphenate using a local descriptor rather than the department name. (Compare Newcastle#England for a similar, but less systematic, idea. Another trad. British idea is to use a descriptive adjective, see Ayton. I know from personal experience that "Great Ayton" is known locally as "Ayton".) "Bourg-Someplace" is likely to be called "Bourg" locally. On the other hand, "Someplace-Bourg" is likely to be called "Someplace" locally, so that for those "Bourg" is no more than a WP:PTM. Narky Blert (talk) 01:38, 23 March 2018 (UTC)
My granny, who lived there, used to further disambiguate Great Ayton by referring to it as Canny Atton. I hope that this information is helpful. I bet you were waiting to hear from me, no? DBaK (talk) 09:53, 15 April 2018 (UTC)

April 2018 Milhist Backlog Drive[edit]

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Your GA nomination of Saint Dominic in Soriano[edit]

The article Saint Dominic in Soriano you nominated as a good article has been placed on hold Symbol wait.svg. The article is close to meeting the good article criteria, but there are some minor changes or clarifications needing to be addressed. If these are fixed within 7 days, the article will pass; otherwise it may fail. See Talk:Saint Dominic in Soriano for things which need to be addressed. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Iazyges -- Iazyges (talk) 13:41, 4 April 2018 (UTC)

Can't edit[edit]

When I hit submit, I get the message "Your IP address has been blocked automatically, because it was used by a blocked user." Huh?Vmavanti (talk) 02:55, 7 April 2018 (UTC)

@Vmavanti:. I had the same thing happen to me once - some vandal was using the same IP. See #IP block 85.255.234.231. Block ID #6870105. What you need is Template:Unblock. Once I had found it and added it to my Talk Page, an admin was along very quickly. Good luck! Narky Blert (talk) 08:27, 7 April 2018 (UTC)

Eye of the Beholder[edit]

Do you know why those Eye of the Beholder links keep showing up on the disambig list? There are some others like that, too.Vmavanti (talk) 22:09, 11 April 2018 (UTC)

I don't know either, but I wouldn't bet against {{Infobox video game}} which contains our favourite incantation #invoke:WikidataIB. Certes (talk) 22:31, 11 April 2018 (UTC)
@Vmavanti and Certes: Gottit! I'd seen a sucker like this before. That gottverdammt {{infobox video game}} has a field "|series=", which by default calls Wikidata, which by default calls any page title match in Wikipedia - DAB page, totally wrong, whatever. I've overwritten it manually in both Eye of the Beholder (video game) and Eye of the Beholder II: The Legend of Darkmoon by adding "|series=Eye of the Beholder". The first of those took two attempts: there were two infoboxes. I refreshed the "What links here" until it was clean.
My technique, after more than one encounter with this sort of nonsense where nothing shows up in the Edit display, is: search the Read version of the article, and look for that "link to Wikidata" pencil. Then (1) take a deep breath (2) swear (3) overwrite the default field manually. I suspect that {{infobox video game}} is not the only one.
IIRC, Eye of the Beholder was a somewhat cruddy game, whatever the reviews might have said. That screenshot looks familiar. Narky Blert (talk) 00:42, 12 April 2018 (UTC)
@Vmavanti and Certes: Sometimes, you can't overwrite a call from Wikidata unless you write an article – even ones as pathetic as José Vega (cyclist) and José Varela (cyclist), currently #287= and #310= in Wikipedia:Database reports/Shortest biographies of living people. Narky Blert (talk) 00:51, 12 April 2018 (UTC)
@Vmavanti and Certes: See also Template talk:Infobox video game. Narky Blert (talk) 01:22, 12 April 2018 (UTC)
Good job. Now what about All-Ireland Senior Championship, number one on the list?
Vmavanti (talk) 01:24, 12 April 2018 (UTC)
@Vmavanti: See Template talk:Infobox GAA player#A link to a DAB page :-(( Narky Blert (talk) 01:42, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

Other pages[edit]

At the top of the DAB bonus list, are there problems with the Nuno Rocha pages and the Korean election pages? Slightly further down, the entry Ashtanayika, an orphan, looks wrong because everything I find on Google refers to this Ashta Nayika. Thanks again for your help.
Vmavanti (talk) 23:46, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

@Vmavanti: I'll have a look. Let me get back to you. I spend most of my time in DAB pages with one link, something like #676 to #6520 or something. (I'm now at #3558, 4th time through. I find it a good area to work, with very little duplication of effort by other DABfixers.) Narky Blert (talk) 00:10, 13 April 2018 (UTC)
@Vmavanti: BTW, Wikipedia talk:Disambiguation pages with links can be a good place to raise issues of this sort. Most of the power DABbers watch it – and anyone who fixes as many bad links as you do counts as one. Narky Blert (talk) 00:22, 13 April 2018 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

Real Life Barnstar.jpg The Real Life Barnstar
Why do your userboxes say that you are a citizen of both the United Kingdom and the European Union? DoNt yuo KnOw tHat thE *U.K.* is NoT pARt of tHe *E.U.* anYmOrE?????? Korean Jesus111 (talk) 07:39, 15 April 2018 (UTC)
(talk page stalker) Comment: it's none of my business of course, but I feel it would greatly help your point if you could say on precisely which date you think that the UK left the EU? The article Brexit might assist here. Oh and by the way your shift key is sticking. Best wishes to all DBaK (talk)
@DBaK:Hey, a WP:BARNSTAR is a Barnstar innit?
No, IDK what OP wAs gOIng On abOUt EIthEr. Narky Blert (talk) 00:23, 16 April 2018 (UTC)

Dab question[edit]

So, um... in this edit, you replaced a dab with a redirect to a dab. Is that how it's done? Primefac (talk) 17:30, 19 April 2018 (UTC)

@Primefac: Yes - see WP:INTDABLINK, 1st para and examples. Routing through a (disambiguation) link suppresses those nastygrams from User:DPL bot (and also takes source and target off the error reports). It's only necessary if the target is tagged with {{disambiguation}} or one of its child templates such as {{geodis}} or {{hndis}}. Easy if you know how, impossible if you don't. Yrs, Narky Blert (talk) 17:41, 19 April 2018 (UTC)
Cool. Thanks!. Primefac (talk) 18:40, 19 April 2018 (UTC)

Pointless Disambiguation page of the Month[edit]

And the winner is... National Film Award - Special Jury Award / Special Mention (Feature Film) (disambiguation). Certes (talk) 19:09, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

@Certes: Also a strong contender for Most Malformed Disambiguation Page of the Month. Narky Blert (talk) 19:12, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Saint Dominic in Soriano[edit]

The article Saint Dominic in Soriano you nominated as a good article has passed Symbol support vote.svg; see Talk:Saint Dominic in Soriano for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already been on the main page as an "In the news" or "Did you know" item, you can nominate it to appear in Did you know. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Iazyges -- Iazyges (talk) 15:41, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for being one of Wikipedia's top medical contributors![edit]

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Visione di Soriano[edit]

Ciao Narky Blert, ti ringrazio per la tua segnalazione sulla voce in questione. Io l'ho creata su it.wiki dopo una visita a Bolzano e sulla base delle poche informazioni lette su una breve descrizione pubblica riportata vicino al quadro. Non sapevo che esisteva una voce su en.wiki molto + dettagliata. Comunque ho creato il collegamento interwiki con la voce inglese e ho anche tradotto la voce italiana su de.wiki. Forse approfitterò della voce di en.wiki per riportare qualche immagine e nome di chiesa su quella italiana. Ciao e buon lavoro, K.Weise (talk) 17:07, 29 April 2018 (UTC)

@K.Weise: Ciao! È una storia straordinaria. Il miracolo era molto difficile da ricercare - sembra essere stato quasi dimenticato. Narky Blert (talk) 17:15, 29 April 2018 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bridget Stutchbury[edit]

Hi. I won't decorate your talk page with another wet fish, but please don't claim you did WP:BEFORE or were familiar with WP:NPROF, because you do appear to have done neither. We all work in our areas of choice and what we're best at; what you mainly do is important, but I would suggest leaving deletion nominations to those who have, through their experience, made it the focus of their work. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 08:36, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

Da Gama[edit]

Hi there. The links you inserted are redirects to "simple" page names so the change was unnecessary. That's also why I recently reverted a previous edit of this sort. Please consider changing the links back to the pages without (disambiguation). De728631 (talk) 12:37, 9 May 2018 (UTC)

@De728631: links to DAB pages must go through a (disambiguation) link - see WP:INTDABLINK, 1st paragraph and examples. User:DPL bot reports direct links to DAB pages as errors (current total 7,439, down from 63,878 two years ago; see WP:TDD). Yrs, Narky Blert (talk) 12:51, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
Ok, you're right. "On a disambiguation page, an intentional link to another disambiguation page that does not contain '(disambiguation)' in the title", this is apparently required. De728631 (talk) 13:03, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
I would not want to drop the MOS on my foot... Yrs, Narky Blert (talk) 13:08, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
If it does drop on your foot and turns out to be too heavy, just ignore it. Face-wink.svg Anyhow, I think we can now leave the Gama page as it is. De728631 (talk) 13:20, 9 May 2018 (UTC)

How about now?[edit]

Can you get in now? Email me if you can't. Cheers! bd2412 T 16:26, 20 May 2018 (UTC)

If my e-mail didn't reach you, UTRS is your friend. Certes (talk) 16:50, 20 May 2018 (UTC)
@BD2412 and Certes: Yay! Back again. The block seems to have been lifted while I was in the middle of filling in that form. Thanks both :-D Narky Blert (talk) 17:20, 20 May 2018 (UTC)
Great! bd2412 T 17:23, 20 May 2018 (UTC)
@Certes: (copying in BD2412) thanks for that link. I got blocked again (for three months!) a day ago, by admin User:Vituzzu, whose email is closed and who I therefore had no means of contacting at all, despite the "You can contact Vituzzu to discuss the block" in the block notice.
My UTRS post seems to have cured the problem overnight.
I have still had no response from User:Tegel.
I am fortunate enough to have some knowledge and some contacts. How many less experienced editors have been caught by this sort of collateral damage, and just given up? I doubt that my case is an isolated incident. Narky Blert (talk) 21:15, 23 May 2018 (UTC)
I'm glad this was fixed, but it is clearly an untenable situation. The most immediate solution I can think of is to make you an administrator, so you can't be blocked (inadvertently). bd2412 T 21:26, 23 May 2018 (UTC)
@BD2412: that would work for me, even though I have no desire whatsoever to take on the arduous role of an admin (my speciality is searching, especially in multiple languages). I would not use any of the admin privileges: I don't know enough. My question about unintended collateral blocks on less experienced editors remains open. Yrs, Narky Blert (talk) 21:40, 23 May 2018 (UTC)
Welcome back. Sorry to hear you've had more problems. Please feel free to e-mail me via WP or directly if this happens again and an ordinary editor can help. I'm no expert but reading around suggests that another option is MediaWiki:Autoblock whitelist. The best way forward may depend on whether this problem is somehow following Narky Blert around between IP addresses, or whether it's affecting several editors in one IP range (some of whom may, as you say, quietly give up). It would probably need a Checkuser to find out who else is affected, as even admins can't see whether other editors' IPs match yours. Certes (talk) 21:49, 23 May 2018 (UTC)
By the way, it might be time to consider archiving this long page! Certes (talk) 21:51, 23 May 2018 (UTC)
@Certes: I have recently had from Wiki two reports of failed log-in attempts to access my acct. Good luck guessing my PW, which includes LC letters, UC letters, digits, and special characters, and is sufficiently long!
As regards archiving, I agree that I have been lazy. Yrs, Narky Blert (talk) 22:25, 23 May 2018 (UTC)
Hello Narky Blert. I note your comment at MediaWiki:Autoblock whitelist. That is a very obscure backwater with not much relevance to your current situation. From what I can gather you are being affected by some rather wide-ranging global blocks. This can only be handled on meta by the stewards. I have granted you temporary WP:IPBE to get around the problem - please read the policy. You should no longer have problems, but please feel free to continue complaining to/about the stewards. (@BD2412:) -- zzuuzz (talk) 23:16, 23 May 2018 (UTC)
Yes, IPBE sounds like the best solution. (I knew something like that existed but couldn't think of its name.) Strangely I too have been warned in the last few weeks about attempts to log in to my account, after 10 years with no such problems, but again they are unlikely to succeed. Certes (talk) 23:41, 23 May 2018 (UTC)
There was a huge automated hacking attempt in the last few weeks - literally tens of thousands of accounts were tried, so don't take any of that personally either of you. If you had a strong password (and I suspect even if not) then you'll have been fine. -- zzuuzz (talk) 23:48, 23 May 2018 (UTC)
@Zzuuzz: TY. Oh, I don't take this sort of stuff personally - although I do suggest that you keep an eye out for other possible collateral damage to honest editors, notably overbroad blocks by zealous admins which are impossible to lift unless you have considerable experience and have the right sorts of contacts. I knew how to raise a stink. Other editors might not.
I recall a dear friend, now no longer with us, an admin on another well-known site, saying, while three of us (one mod at the top of the list, looking for new IPs; one mod at its tail, picking off leftovers; and that admin) fought off a concerted spam attack c. 2014 (something like 10,000 posts/hour), "I've just blocked one-third of China!" Narky Blert (talk) 02:00, 24 May 2018 (UTC)

DYK for Saint Dominic in Soriano[edit]

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Alex Shih (talk) 01:27, 27 May 2018 (UTC)

INS Shakti[edit]

Sorry I think you are confused. There are two different classes of Deepak tankers each with their own article, neither of which are dab pages. Can you look again at your edit Lyndaship (talk) 09:56, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

@Lyndaship: It's an issue with Template:sclass-, which I've seen before. {{sclass-|Deepak|tanker}} renders as Deepak-class tanker. Click on that bluelink to tanker, and see where it takes you. Yrs, Narky Blert (talk) 10:03, 31 May 2018 (UTC)
Ok I see the problem now. I've fixed it, your edit caused the earlier Shakti to link to the latter Shakti's ship class. You might want to make a note so if you come across this problem again you can sort it yourself Lyndaship (talk) 10:48, 31 May 2018 (UTC)
@Lyndaship: Thanks! I haven't seen many problems created by {{sclass-}}, but every one has been difficult to solve. Narky Blert (talk) 10:59, 31 May 2018 (UTC)
I've amended it again! Definition of a tanker(ship) is a merchant vessel, the correct term for a military ship which refuels other ships is an oiler. However oiler has the same problem with a dab link as tanker. That gives you a redirect to replenishment oiler and the definition of that is a ship which both refuels and carries dry stores (an oiler only fuels). I'll sort it all tonight Lyndaship (talk) 11:10, 31 May 2018 (UTC)
@Lyndaship: I too would have called a military ship an oiler. I hadn't noticed before that the lead in replenishment oiler refers to both fuel and dry cargo. I think the lead may be too narrow, and need tweaking. The History section seems to describe some dedicated fuel carriers, even if modern ships are more likely to be multi-purpose. (Confusingly, RFA Kharki was launched as a collier and converted to an oiler.) Yrs, Narky Blert (talk) 11:31, 31 May 2018 (UTC)
The more I looked at this the more involved it became. I've taken it to WP:SHIPS for comments if you are interested Lyndaship (talk) 07:45, 1 June 2018 (UTC)

File:Charles Stokes FRS.jpg[edit]

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Acclaim Entertainment games list is incomplete[edit]

Hi, can you add more games to the "List of Acclaim Entertainment games" list, please? Games from 1991 to 1996 such as various Simpsons games and the first two Mortal Kombat games are missing on the list. 2600:6C51:7001:700:ECE5:21E7:918B:9737 (talk) 20:12, 3 June 2018 (UTC)

Four-colour decks[edit]

Hi Narky, you can even buy four-colour decks on amazon with blue diamonds - Copag sell them. Bermicourt (talk) 10:25, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

@Bermicourt: I don't doubt it - but it's the connection of blue Diamonds with bridge which is missing. For orange, see e.g. bidding box. Note also that there Clubs are grey rather than black. Yrs, Narky Blert (talk) 10:33, 11 June 2018 (UTC)
You can even buy them with four-colour backs, so the other players can see your cards' suits but not their ranks.[8] Useless for bridge though. Certes (talk) 11:04, 11 June 2018 (UTC)
I have been accused of being unable to tell the fronts from the backs. Narky Blert (talk) 11:13, 11 June 2018 (UTC)
Hahaha! I know what you mean! From a quick look online, it seems that four-colour decks are being used in poker (with the blue diamonds) and as a compromise in German tournaments (with the yellow diamonds) where there are players from regions that use French decks and regions that use German decks. It may be that they aren't used much in bridge because it's more of a non-commercial game played in clubs and homes. BTW my source for the link with bridge was French wiki (fr:Carreau (carte à jouer), which unfortunately doesn't have a reference. Maybe it's a French thing? Bermicourt (talk) 12:09, 11 June 2018 (UTC)
@Bermicourt: poker looks very believable, especially for televised or webcast competitions. The Laws of Bridge specify the suit symbols but not their colours. Nevertheless, major change in bridge is unlikely; not just from inertia, but because almost all serious bridge - and all bridge at tournament and international level - is played with pre-dealt boards. You can't see it in the video, but the faces of the cards are bar-coded for machine recognition. If you want a set of boards with suits in customised colours, you're going to have to persuade suppliers like Duplimate to print the cards for you; which wouldn't be cheap and would require a guaranteed order. (In contrast, they'd be crazy not to have French ARDV, Dutch/German AKDB, and so on, packs as stock items for those markets.)
There is professionalism in bridge, particularly in USA and with countries such as Monaco. Prize money ranges between pitiful and non-existent, and betting on results is banned by every national and international association I know of. The scheme is that a rich sponsor pays five top players to make up a team of six. This is not always a good idea, as this video shows.
I think you've opened an interesting topic here. Four-colour decks are indeed commonly used nowadays in bridge, just not with extreme differences: Diamonds orange, and Clubs either grey or (from memory) dark blue. Yrs, Narky Blert (talk) 13:17, 11 June 2018 (UTC)
I'm no more than a casual/occasional card player, but my interest has been sparked by discovering German decks and card games in all their glorious variety; hence why I've been translating articles on (mainly) German/Austrian card games. I just received a Zwicker deck today and am looking forward to my forthcoming holiday to Austria to pick up some of their weird and wonderful cards. Bermicourt (talk) 16:59, 11 June 2018 (UTC)
@Bermicourt: Look out for skat cards - there are all sorts of regional variations. Several use the ancient suit symbols, see Skat (card game)#Deck. (The pic in that article shows a four-coloured deck with modern symbols). Yrs, Narky Blert (talk) 17:16, 11 June 2018 (UTC)
Another type of deck to look for in Austria - de:Tarock. Narky Blert (talk) 17:26, 11 June 2018 (UTC)
I have the French and German pattern Skat decks (but not the 4-colour variant), a Bavarian Schafkopf deck, the Württemberg Cego cards and a couple of others. I defo want the Austrian Industrie und Glück Tarock cards which I think are the ones you're referring to and I think they sell Schnapsen packs by the cartload too. Anyway it should be fun. And, as a hobby, not too expensive. :) Bermicourt (talk) 18:15, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

Review Draft[edit]

Dear Narky Blert, please review Draft:Richard Jabo. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MonkeyKingdom (talkcontribs) 19:56, 14 June 2018 (UTC)