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Question: Articles of police departments[edit]

I am a member of the Law Enforcement WikiProject. I believe you may be the only coordinator who is currently active so I figured I would ask your option on this. I started a few articles on police departments in my local area. Another editor redirected all the articles to the city or town in which the PD has jurisdiction and put the comment "redirected nn police department to the city it serves" on the edit. Here is one of the articles: [[1]]. He did not put the PD info into the city article, so he essentially deleted the article and linked it in title only to the respective city. What do you think makes a police department notable enough to justify its own article as opposed to making it just a section within the jurisdiction's article? Size of the city? Number of swore officers? Thanks for your time. Extermino (talk) 03:06, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

Merger discussion for Hamilton Fire Department[edit]


An article that you have been involved in editing, Hamilton Fire Department , has been proposed for merging with another article. If you are interested, please participate in the merger discussion. Thank you. RES2773 (talk) 20:32, 11 June 2015 (UTC)


As a fellow editor of Royalist pages, I'd like to know your views on deeper categorization of the Members of the British Royal Household category. Would articles be better separated into individual subject categories like 'Members of the Household of Charles, Prince of Wales', Queen Mother, Elizabeth II, etc, (and included in the large Brit Household cat) or would they be better served as is in general equerry categories etc? Sorry if this is incomprehensible! Gareth E Kegg (talk) 16:36, 2 February 2015 (UTC)

No, I don't think we should categorise by individual members of the Royal Family. Although we could subdivide by titles, e.g. Category:Members of the Household of the Prince of Wales or Category:Members of the Household of the Duke of York. But on the whole I don't think it's necessary. -- Necrothesp (talk) 16:06, 3 February 2015 (UTC)

Category:Scottish people of Bangladeshi descent change[edit]

Hi Necrothesp,

I was wondering about this edit which you made reverting one of my edits. As the category 'People of Bangladeshi descent' that was added was a parent of already present category 'British people of Bangladeshi descent' I had thought that WP:SUBCAT applied which was why I removed it. Was that wrong?

A genuine question, (Feel free to delete this section)

Icarusgeek (talk) 16:16, 9 February 2015 (UTC)

No, you're right. My apologies. Your edit got caught up in a mass reversion of an anon editor's bad edits. I've reverted my change to your edit. -- Necrothesp (talk) 17:07, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
Cool - thank you - Icarusgeek (talk) 17:35, 9 February 2015 (UTC)

Disambiguation of abbreviations[edit]

I've reinstate some changes I made to disambiguation pages, according to WP:DABABBREV and MOS:DABACRO. There are two long discussions at Wikipedia_talk:Disambiguation#Delete inappropriate dab entries? and Wikipedia talk:Disambiguation#Delete inappropriate dab entries? - ongoing dispute. If you feel that any of the disambiguation entries I've deleted meet the guideline (defined in an existing article, in a nutshell), please reinstate them, I may have made mistakes. Best wishes, Pol098 (talk) 13:48, 13 February 2015 (UTC)

What I really objected to was not your deletion of entries, but your changes in the definitions, which to me frequently seemed to be reducing the usability of the page for no good reason. I fail to see the value of removing perfectly good and useful definitions on a disambiguation page. -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:14, 13 February 2015 (UTC)
Have a look at WP:DABNOT. Maybe you would like to dispute this guideline and suggest it be modified, or qualified? I see so many entries that spread over several lines, have several links, and generally make a disambiguation page long and messy to use. As far as possible I try to keep entries on one line, and with just sufficient information to disambiguate the different meanings of a term, avoiding masses of text that attract the eye and have to be read. If the guideline is changed, I'll of course try to follow it. If you particularly object to any specific changes I made, you could discuss a few on the WP:D Talk page, not for their own sake, but as a discussion of principle to improve the guideline. And of course you can always amend any abbreviations page if ou feel that more is needed to meet the guideline. Or to make the page more useful while keeping it sensibly brief; there's no need to be too bureaucratic. Best wishes, Pol098 (talk) 16:39, 13 February 2015 (UTC)
Having worked on hundreds of disambiguation pages, I don't dispute the guideline at all. I'm afraid, however, that I do dispute your interpretation of it. I agree that entries should be on one or two lines (depending on the length of the disambiguated term) and contain no links other than the main term. However, I think your paring down is too severe and is deleting information useful to those coming to the page. -- Necrothesp (talk) 22:20, 13 February 2015 (UTC)
I'd say my trimming is entirely in line with the guideline (WP:DABNOT: "entries should be just sufficient for disambiguation."); but maybe the guideline needs change? I personally think not; any relaxation will lead to disambiguation pages more like articles, but the possibility can certainly be contemplated. At the moment I don't want to try people's patience with a potentially long discussion on this, having recently started two long discussions on WP:D. You haven't said exactly what you think a disambiguation entry should be, but I presume that you would like a link followed by a summary of the entry? By the way, I don't know how significant it is, but I'm also aware of the need not to make things too bad for people with sight problems who use a text-to-speech reader; a page full of irrelevant entries, and lots of detail on each one, is not very useful. Best wishes, Pol098 (talk) 10:21, 14 February 2015 (UTC)
A brief summary of the entry, yes. That does not contradict the guidelines in any way. -- Necrothesp (talk) 10:10, 16 February 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for response. You might like to edit guideline WP:DABNOT to conform with the above. Editing a guideline is one way to gauge what others think, there is usually rapid response if anyone disagrees. Best wishes, Pol098 (talk) 11:56, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

Peace Barnstar Hires.png The Barnstar of Diplomacy
Thanks for your contribution in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ahmad Keshvari. AliAkar (talk) 14:55, 14 February 2015 (UTC)

Ruby Yadav[edit]

Hello, my friend. I notice you made this move. The target was salted. Did you get some sort of warning box that you were moving to a salted page? I remember some discussion somewhere that this ought to be fixed. Just curious. Best wishes, Anna Frodesiak (talk) 00:50, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

No I didn't. No warning at all. I just spotted the AfD and moved it from a wholly inappropriate title. The article clearly shouldn't exist on WP anyway (you will notice I have already said this on the AfD). -- Necrothesp (talk) 12:20, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
Indeed. I tested the move to salt and also got no warning. You may have noticed your username pinged at the village pump post about it. I hope they fix things. Best, Anna Frodesiak (talk) 12:27, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

Article for deletion from WikiProject Law Enforcement[edit]

Could you guys ask members of the WikiPrject Law Enforcement to take a look at the article about Morganza Police Department and weigh in on its nomination for deletion? Sf46 (talk) 20:08, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

March 2015[edit]

An image or media file has been removed from your user page, user talk page, or other page because it is licensed as non-free. Wikipedia's non-free content policy states:

Copyrighted images under fair use are only allowed to be used in articles about the subject of the image. For example they are not allowed to be used on user pages, in lists, or (typically) in biographies of living people.

As a result, although users are often given a great amount of latitude in the type of content that is allowed on their user pages, it is requested that you abide by this policy and refrain from including non-free images on your user pages. Feel free, however, to add images and media files licensed under other terms. For more information, see Wikipedia's non-free content policy and an accompanying essay on the removal of non-free images. Thank you for your cooperation in this matter. EoRdE6(Come Talk to Me!) 18:29, 9 March 2015 (UTC)

Listed where?[edit]

Please explain [2], preferably by adding refs to the article. Otherwise I'll have to proceed to AfD. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 09:05, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

As in, listed as an historical monument on the list of Polish historical monuments![3] -- Necrothesp (talk) 11:52, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

Nomination of Abhay Vidhya Mandir Senior Secondary School, Hindaun City for deletion[edit]

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Abhay Vidhya Mandir Senior Secondary School, Hindaun City is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Abhay Vidhya Mandir Senior Secondary School, Hindaun City until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. Jerodlycett (talk) 17:52, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

File:Reading Coat of Arms.png[edit]

Hi Necrothesp. I was looking at the non-free image "File:Reading Coat of Arms" and saw that it is being used in one of the userboxes in User:Necrothesp#My cities. I'm not sure if you created that particular userbox yourself, but non-free files are not supposed to be used in the userspace per WP:NFCC#9. Technically, I guess the file can be removed per WP:NFCCE, but I thought I'd point it out first out of courtesy. - Marchjuly (talk) 05:46, 3 April 2015 (UTC)

Adding honorary titles to names[edit]

Hi. I believe as a general rule, the names listed on Deaths in 2015 are supposed to be the same as their articles. I might be wrong, but you should discuss it in the talk page before changing them. Nukualofa (talk) 22:33, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

No, I'm afraid you're incorrect. Titles are always included, as you will see by looking at any previous list (and actually several already on this list). No need for discussion here since this is already the established rule. In any case, how can names be the same as their articles when they are piped to get rid of disambiguators? -- Necrothesp (talk) 22:36, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
And by the way, these aren't "honorary" titles. They are substantive titles conferred by the Crown. -- Necrothesp (talk) 22:42, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
Disambiguations are the exceptions. In the case of Terry Pratchett, for instance, he's been listed as Sir Terry before, and it was removed. He's known all over the world as Terry Pratchett, and for most of the world the title is irrelevant. Nukualofa (talk) 22:49, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
And how is that relevant? He was British and Britain has titles. He was Sir Terry Pratchett. He used the knighthood. Even the announcement of his death on his own Twitter account called him Sir Terry! As I said, this is how people with titles are described on our death lists. Always have been. Looking at the first six months of Deaths in 2014, for instance, I count 62 Sirs! I think that pretty much proves my point! -- Necrothesp (talk) 22:53, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
There is no denying there are disputes whether or not it should be included, as shown by the earlier removal of his title (by someone other than me). For a non-British person, it just doesn't make any sense. Even when King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia died in January, he wasn't listed as King. But OK, I'll leave it to somebody else to decide. Nukualofa (talk) 23:08, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
I think that's your answer. You're not British and you don't realise how commonly used titles are here (and elsewhere in the Commonwealth). We would almost always use them if they were conferred, as they effectively become part of the individual's name. Personally, I think it's very weird that Americans append "Jr" and "III" after people's names and use married women's maiden names as middle names, but I wouldn't tell them they shouldn't do it because that's what they do. -- Necrothesp (talk) 23:26, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

AfD of melee[edit]

You voted not to make melee a disambiguation page in a recent move request. Per the discussion, I have suggested the article be deleted due to lack of a relevant, cohesive encyclopedic definition of "melee". Your input would be appreciated. Please see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Melee.

Peter Isotalo 11:41, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

Please assist me[edit]

Dear Necrothesp, if my understanding is correct, you are a firm supporter of redirect pages [4]. I am planning to create a new page: "County-Sultanate of Cornwall and the Hebrides". I am seeking your advice: should it be redirected to the page Cornwall or to the page Hebrides? Later I also want to create the redirect pages "Kingdom of New York", "Holy Margraviate of the Trafalgar Square" and Spiritual Reborn and the Application of the International Accounting Standards. Thank you for your assistance in advance. Borsoka (talk) 15:35, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

Thank you for your prompt action. :) Borsoka (talk) 15:41, 15 April 2015 (UTC)
Given that somebody thought the original title was a valid one (which yours clearly aren't), what's the problem with retaining it? It's only a redirect. -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:44, 15 April 2015 (UTC)
Sorry, I do not understand your above remark. I am also somebody and I know that the titles that I propose are as valid as the County of Csesznek and the County of Csesznek and Milvány. Borsoka (talk) 15:47, 15 April 2015 (UTC)
I'm assuming that they didn't make up a title to try to prove a point! -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:49, 15 April 2015 (UTC)
And what about the never existing "County of Csesznek" or "County of Csesznek and Milvány"? The redirect page from WP is the only source for the "county". Borsoka (talk) 15:52, 15 April 2015 (UTC)
So, do you think these were created for vandalism purposes? -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:55, 15 April 2015 (UTC)
Rather for romantic purposes, together with the article about the Csesznekys' never existing "hereditary" Wildgraviate of the Bakony (previous version is here: [5]) and the history of the heroic (but poorly documented) "House of Cseszneky". Borsoka (talk) 16:03, 15 April 2015 (UTC)
Do you still oppose the deletion of the two "redirect" links? Borsoka (talk) 02:55, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
I'm frankly not that bothered, although you seem to be taking two redirects very seriously! Given they're not actually articles, I wonder why? -- Necrothesp (talk) 08:20, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
Thank you for your understanding. Yes, I am taking them very seriously, because of WP:NOR. We are not here to create pages about never existing counties, duchies, kingdoms, animals, flowers, stars, people, gods .... Borsoka (talk) 15:41, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
If they were actual articles I'd agree with you, but I think you're taking a couple of redirects far too seriously! -- Necrothesp (talk) 16:03, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

First, you cannot reprod an article that has been deprodded. Second, you shouldn't be prodding redirects in the first place. Please see WP:PROD for guidance. Third, I see no consensus. -- Necrothesp (talk) 16:05, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

Thank you for your answer. If my understanding is correct, you are suggesting that I should create redirect pages of the Kingdom of New York and Canberra and the Mediatized Pashalik-Duchy of the Westminster Abbey. Borsoka (talk) 16:23, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
Your understanding clearly isn't correct. Wikipedia procedures are very clear on how to get things deleted. Redirects should not be prodded or AfDed. They should be listed on redirects for discussion. -- Necrothesp (talk) 16:31, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
Thank you for your advice on the proper procedure. Borsoka (talk) 16:35, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

Why are you deleting other people's talk page comments[edit]

at Bob Lambert? Nomoskedasticity (talk) 11:23, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

I was wondering the same. I'm 100% sure it's accidental, of course. Keri (talk) 12:31, 20 April 2015 (UTC)
Not deliberately, I assure you. Must have been an edit clash. Given my edit history, you might try a bit of WP:AGF! -- Necrothesp (talk) 12:33, 20 April 2015 (UTC)
Okay, but it happened twice, and the timing doesn't support that explanation. Please be more careful. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 12:48, 20 April 2015 (UTC)
Probably editing an out of date version then. And that last comment is a tad patronising! Everyone makes mistakes. -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:03, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

Request for input[edit]

I see you have had previous involvement with the editor Hijiri88. I would welcome any input you might see fit to offer at WP:ANI#Ongoing gross incivility of Hijiri88. Thank you. John Carter (talk) 18:25, 26 April 2015 (UTC)

Hillary Rodham Clinton - Move Discussion[edit]


This is a notification to let you know that there is a requested move discussion ongoing at Talk:Hillary_Rodham_Clinton/April_2015_move_request#Requested_move. You are receiving this notification because you have previously participated in some capacity in naming discussions related to the article in question.

Thanks. And have a nice day. NickCT (talk) 18:49, 26 April 2015 (UTC)


Hi necrothesp, I'd be grateful to receive a link to the precedent you mentioned at [6] so that I can avoid making the same mistake twice. Additionally, please can you explain [7] for the same reason? Thanks for your time, 1Potato2Potato3Potato4 (talk) 17:30, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES illustrates the consensus that articles on secondary schools are considered to be notable. They are almost never deleted at AfD. You need to understand that prodding is only for uncontroversial deletions (generally utter rubbish, cruft or self-promotion of obviously non-notable people or groups). Articles about subjects that may have significance should be proposed for deletion at AfD, not prodded, as their deletion requires discussion. -- Necrothesp (talk) 11:48, 30 April 2015 (UTC)


There was recently a deletion debate which you took part. The debate continues on the talk page of the article (see talk:Melee). Please join the debate so that a consensus can be reached on the initial issues of whether it is appropriate to include the maintenance {{coatrack}} at the top of the article Melee. --PBS-AWB (talk) 17:10, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

New question raised regarding Talk:Hillary Rodham Clinton/April 2015 move request[edit]

Some opposers of this move have now contended that there is a "Critical fault in proposal evidence", which brings the opinions expressed into question. Please indicate if this assertion in any way affects your position with respect to the proposed move. Cheers! bd2412 T 04:38, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

College of Applied Science, Thamarassery[edit]

Hi, I noticed the image File:Cas thamarassery.jpeg on College of Applied Science, Thamarassery has been deleted as a copyright violation - neither myself or the bots can tidy up as you've locked it indefinitely - so I wonder if you could remove the now defunct red-link image. Cheers KylieTastic (talk)

Done. -- Necrothesp (talk) 16:58, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

Warrant Officer[edit]

Hi, thanks for your revert to OJOM's edit to the subject category. I just put a detailed explanation of why these French senior NCO ranks are not equivalent to US WOs/CWOs (and most definitely a French Major is NOT equivalent to a CWO-5!) and I thought that you might like to read it. Semper Fi! and Out.CobraDragoon (talk) 22:00, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

Cressida Dick[edit]

Hi, I wonder if you can help.

Cressida Dick is still listed as being an Assistant Commissioner at the Met although it is common knowledge and widely reported that she left that post in January of this year in a move to the Foreign & Commonwealth Office. I want to update the page but her new job as a Director General at the Foreign office is not reported at all. I don't really want to update with 'an unknown role at the FCO' and the only evidence confirming her current post is on what Wiki would class an unreliable source here; Prior to this there are records of requests online but none from great sources;

With the BBC's new documentary series on the Met police starting last week, there's been a spike in viewing figures of her page.

What to do? Thanks. (Selector99 (talk) 16:31, 13 June 2015 (UTC))

I have now updated the page so this matter is resolved. Hope you had a great holiday. :-) Selector99 (talk) 07:13, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

A cup of coffee for you![edit]

Cup-o-coffee-simple.svg Hi Necrothesp

Thank you very much for helping out with the Fountainhead School page. I have recently made few changes to the page and am looking for your opinion about the same. Here is the link to the page - I will appreciate if you can take a look and tell me if any changes are needed to this. I will also appreciate if you can help with how to remove the tag of "consideration for deletion" from the page as it seems to have resolved the issues.

Thanks and warm regards


Sikandaramla (talk) 15:20, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

Please take another look[edit]

Hello! I am leaving this note for you because you participated in a deletion discussion about the Wikipedia article titled Institute of Continuing Education. I substantially expanded the article today (for the helluvit), and would appreciate if you would take a look and see if it’s better than when you last saw it. Cheers.Anythingyouwant (talk) 03:39, 18 June 2015 (UTC)

Philip Benedict[edit]

Hi Necrothesp. Do you have any thoughts on this dispute? — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 05:40, 18 June 2015 (UTC)

help me[edit]

necrothesp i need help to create an article named Women in Bangladesh Army. see my draft Draft:Women in Bangladesh Army. Yasmin542 (talk) 15:47, 18 June 2015 (UTC)


You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Oriya_language#Requested_move_17_June_2015. Thanks. Cpt.a.haddock (talk) 21:34, 24 June 2015 (UTC)

Mission statement[edit]

In the future, when writing an article about an organization such as Federal Ministry of Health (Nigeria), always try to avoid the mission state. Mission statements often make an article looks promotional. Thanks for contributing to Wikipedia. Wikigyt@lk to M£ 06:05, 4 July 2015 (UTC)

@Wikicology: I think you've made a mistake here. I did not write and have not contributed to this article. All I have done is redirected to it. -- Necrothesp (talk) 12:48, 4 July 2015 (UTC)
oh.. Sorry this bot held you responsible for the page. I apologize for any misinformation. Wikigyt@lk to M£ 13:14, 4 July 2015 (UTC)
Actually, it held me responsible for creating Nigerian Ministry of Health as a redirect to this page. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:52, 4 July 2015 (UTC)

Priyadarshini High School[edit]

What was verified by you? School in pune Maharashtra? or school in Andhra pradesh? there is no agreement between body and reference. - Varma 15:47, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

That's because the article was originally about the Andhra Pradesh school but was later altered to refer to the Pune school. I've reverted the article to what it originally referred to. -- Necrothesp (talk) 16:17, 8 July 2015 (UTC)


Necro, what the heck is the significance of your username? I start wondering every time I see it. The best I can come up with is "Necro the SP," whatever that might mean . . . necro being a Greek root related to death (necropolis) and magic (necromancer). Care to share? Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 15:12, 14 July 2015 (UTC)

Hi. It does indeed come from the Greek root "necro" = "death" (a fantasy roleplaying in-joke dating from my long-ago university days) and from "thesp[ian]", since one of my other hobbies is acting in an amateur theatre company. -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:19, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
Ah, ha! I get it -- you are the "Death Player!" Remind me to not mess with you on-wiki. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 15:40, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
I don't think I'm that fearsome! Irritable occasionally maybe. -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:42, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
"Death Player" sounds like one of the X-Men's mutant opponents -- wearing black tights with an ancient Greek drama mask. Perhaps with a sickle-shaped particle weapon. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 16:01, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
I think the tights are probably a step too far! -- Necrothesp (talk) 16:03, 14 July 2015 (UTC)

Moving Cavalry Divisions[edit]

Necrothesp, you recently moved 4th Cavalry Division (British Indian Army) to 4th Cavalry Division (India) and 5th Cavalry Division (British Indian Army) to 5th Cavalry Division (India) with the edit summary ‎(no such thing as the British Indian Army). I do not understand the need for a change, as "British Indian Army" was merely being used as a disambiguator to help users to know what is being talked about. Hamish59 (talk) 10:33, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

  • Generally we simply use the disambiguator "(India)" for all formations and units, whether pre- or post-independence, unless it's necessary to make a distinction between the two. Since there's no need to distinguish here, "India" is fine. I was just bringing them in line with other Indian divisions - see Category:British Indian Army divisions. -- Necrothesp (talk) 10:35, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
    • Thank you very much for getting back to me so quickly, and for the explanation. Just to tip you off, you may find problems / confusion when it comes to the Indian Cavalry Brigades in World War I. For example, 11th Indian Cavalry Brigade and 11th Cavalry Brigade (British Indian Army). Both existed at the same time, but were distinct (one was in Mesopotamia and one in Palestine). Hamish59 (talk) 10:49, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
      • Typical British military obfuscation! -- Necrothesp (talk) 10:50, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
        • Yep. 10th, 11th, 12th, 13th and 14th all duplicated. The series I have named, for example, 10th Cavalry Brigade (British Indian Army) were in Palestine in 4th and 5th Divisons - these followed the existing British 3rd Cavalry Division (United Kingdom) / 9th Cavalry Brigade (United Kingdom) sequences, though not part of the British Army proper, hence did not use (United Kingdom) dab. Hamish59 (talk) 10:57, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
          • "(Indian Army)" would probably be a better disambiguator. That was its name. -- Necrothesp (talk) 11:48, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
            • Err, no, I don't think so. The Indian Army at that time was just the locally raised units (including their British officers) so not including the British Army units. Also, this may cause confusion with modern Indian Army units / formations. Hamish59 (talk) 12:06, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
              • It would only cause confusion if there was currently a 10th Cavalry Brigade in the Indian Army. Again, we use "Indian Army" unless we need to disambiguate. Was this particular formation part of the British Army or the Indian Army? It looks to me like the former, despite having some Indian units, in which case surely 10th Cavalry Brigade (United Kingdom) would be better (which is already, incidentally, a redirect to it). -- Necrothesp (talk) 12:25, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────This whole area can be very confusing, hence my desire to get a reasonable dab in place.

the 1st Indian Cavalry Division was renumbered as the 4th Cavalry Division in France in 1916
the 2nd Indian Cavalry Division likewise became the 5th Cavalry Division

Should they be dabbed with (United Kingdom)? I do not think so - they were simply renumbered. Other than renumbering their RHA Brigades, nothing else changed. [I have not had a proper look at 1st / 2nd Ind Cav Divs as I am working through WWI Indian brigades at the moment, so I stand to be corrected.]

These formations were completely distinct from the 4th and 5th Cavalry Divisions under discussion so we need seperate articles. To add to the confusion, some of the units of the former divisions were transferred to Egypt to help form the latter divisions, initially as 1st and 2nd Mounted Divisions. Which is great because there were two more 1st Mounted Divisions and another 2nd Mounted Division in the British Army in WWI. More obfuscation!

As an aside, the Cavalry Division (India) was actually titled The Cavalry Division (Mesopotamia) but that would lead one to believe that some country called Mesopotamia had a Cavalry Division. Sigh. Just as well the Armoured Division (Egypt) got numbered later.

I understand your point. After discussion with User:Jim Sweeney, 10th Cavalry Brigade (United Kingdom) was moved to 10th Cavalry Brigade (British Indian Army) as a better dab. Its numbering in a particular sequence is not really material. I am trying to think of a counter example, best I can come up with is:

1st Armoured Division (Australia)
2nd Armoured Division (Australia)
3rd Armoured Division (Australia)
4th Canadian Armoured Division
5th Canadian Armoured Division
6th South African Armoured Division

But I am also thinking of the more general case: units or formations that existed in the British Indian Army but are distinct from units or formations in the modern Indian Army. Not just cavalry - though I am minded of

45th Cavalry (India) is a cavalry regiment of the modern Indian Army. However, there were unrelated 45th Cavalry regiments in the 1st and 2nd World Wars - currently mentioned in the article. At some point, someone might decide to write seperate articles for the earlier incarnations.

In fairness, I got a lot of stick for doing just that for 11th Gurkha Rifles unrelated to 11 Gorkha Rifles. Hamish59 (talk) 13:37, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

All very complicated, as with most things to do with the British forces. On the whole, I dislike usage of "British Indian Army", since the term was never used and seems to carry the implication that the current Indian Army is the real Indian Army and its predecessor wasn't, but this can make disambiguation difficult, of course. I've also struggled in the past against editors who can't get their heads round the fact that British officers of the Indian Army were not British Army officers but Indian Army officers (although most did begin their careers in the British Army, of course). -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:02, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
Fully with you there, Necrothesp. Is it British army officer, or British Army officer? Grins. I enjoy picking out Sherwood Rangers from Sherwood Foresters, though I have never managed to find a confusion between Inniskilling Fusiliers and Inniskilling Dragoons. Hamish59 (talk) 14:10, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

Ordinal v cardinal: Artillery[edit]

Wondering if you know anything about this: correct naming of artillery regiments. I know that when abbreviated, the normal usage is cardinal numbering eg "19 Regt RA" - but when unabbreviated, I was under the impression that the ordinal system is the correct usage eg "19th Regiment Royal Artillery". Any thoughts? Keri (talk) 10:46, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

  • Much as it pains me to say it, the normal system these days is actually cardinal: 19 Regiment, Royal Artillery (with the comma). -- Necrothesp (talk) 10:47, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

Removing PRODs on articles[edit]

I see you've removed numerous PRODs saying that the subject is notable - I could understand a claim of significance, but can you show me where this meets the WP notability claim? They are self-sourced, and as they are now do not fit requirements to be a page. Most subjects do not have their own page, as simply being from a notable role does not solely qualify having an article (I left articles where more substance/notability was presented). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Garchy (talkcontribs) 14:14, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

Well, yes, actually it does. See WP:POLITICIAN. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:16, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
Got it - the articles have numerous problems on their own, including lack of reliable references. So they fit notability, but someone (preferably the creator or admin removing the PRODs on them) should be SHOWING that, or at a minimum tagging them with the issues. It isn't exactly the best way on Wikipedia to create numerous short stubs on Wikipedia with no references, so you can't really blame my WP:PRODs. Garchy (talk) 14:26, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

Fouled up a page move[edit]

Necrothesp, I fouled up a page move: 6th Prince of Wales's Cavalry to 6th King Edward' Own Cavalry when it should have been 6th King Edward's Own Cavalry - note "s" after the apostrophe. Have you got the power to move the page to its correct title? Hamish59 (talk) 22:08, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

Done. -- Necrothesp (talk) 23:03, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
Thank you very much, you're a star! Hamish59 (talk) 07:10, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

Traffic policing[edit]

Hi Necrothesp, I hadn't realised you're Coventry based. Do you ever go to meetups? I'd quite like to run a primary topic survey in Leamington today and report back the results. :) Widefox; talk 09:28, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

Hi. No, never been to one. I prefer to do my editing in private! ;) As a former police officer in Leamington and Kenilworth, I know what my result would be! -- Necrothesp (talk) 09:49, 16 July 2015 (UTC)
There's been some nice GLAM meetups a couple years ago at Herbert, but nowadays they seems to be more Brum direction. I will survey today and report back. Widefox; talk 10:11, 16 July 2015 (UTC)
Just heard this great joke..."what do you get if you put 3 computer scientists and an ex-policeman in a room? Talk:Traffic_policing#Primary_topic. (caveat haven't checked if Rich is one) Widefox; talk 11:10, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

Copy/paste move[edit]

I don't want to try to fix this move in case I screw it up any more than it already is; I suspect it may require tools. The user copied the content from 40th Regiment Royal Artillery and pasted it into 40 Regiment Royal Artillery instead of Moving, and the page history was subsequently left in the wrong place. [8] [9]. Thanks. Keri (talk) 09:18, 18 July 2015 (UTC)


Just to let you know: During July you commented at a move request, now at Talk:Greyshirt (comics). The discussion was closed as "move". However, one of the discussants has reopened the discussion. Your original comment will still be taken into account and there is no need for you add anything further, but I am notifying all previous discussants as a courtesy. MelanieN (talk) 13:09, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

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Cornerstone academies...[edit]

Necrothesp, when I read the pertinent guidelines for schools, notability was assumed unless the schools were new or small, and this was the case in both cases - one had something like 150 students in 12 grades, the other had 400 in 12 grades, and they're both less than 20 years old. One article was sourced directly from a development director (which isn't even appropriate), and the school names are so common that I got a ton of refs for just about every other one but these. Interestingly enough, of the eight that were on the dab page for the name, these two are the only ones with articles (that's why I looked at them). Therefore, I don't think they're notable under the policy, but how can I show that if the information that the policy says is pertinent to the decision apparently isn't? MSJapan (talk) 18:42, 12 August 2015 (UTC)

It is consensus, as illustrated in WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES, that all secondary schools are notable. -- Necrothesp (talk) 10:31, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

A Barnstar for you[edit]

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Thank you for clarifying so well about disambiguation links Krishna Chaitanya Velaga 13:18, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

Obvious from title??[edit]

Hello. I really respect your works here on Wikipedia but what is this "obvious from title"? I think as an administrator you have been long enough on Wikipedia to know that we should only use the common names. And in many articles such as Johnny Depp, Maggie Gyllenhaal, etc. you can see that the names they're known with are written in the first lines. It's a kind of rule in Wikipedia. These people have been called with those names during their lifetimes and sometimes removing those names makes confusion. For example Bill Brett, Baron Brett's common name is Bill while his full name is William Henry Brett. As you can see the common name and real name are completely unrelated and there's no other mentioning in the whole article. If I saw this article for the first time and I didn't know that you have removed the common name I absolutely moved the title. Please restore the previous versions of those articles. Thanks a lot. Keivan.fTalk 14:12, 22 August 2015 (UTC)

No, there is no such rule. Unfortunately many editors think there is such a rule, but there is not and should not be. See WP:MOSBIO for how these names should actually be structured. Especially Bill Clinton and the line which reads "It is not always necessary to spell out why the article title and lead paragraph give a different name". A nickname should especially never be inserted into the bolded full name which appears first in the article. As for Brett, "Bill" is an extremely common shortening of "William" and it doesn't need to be spelled out - we don't patronise our readers. It only needs to be spelled out if the name by which someone is known as not related to any of their given names. -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:16, 22 August 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for your response. But I think we can include the common name separately in the first line as you did with this article. Besides some people may not know the common forms of English names. For example I didn't know that Bill is a common shortening of William. So it's better to have them alongside the full names at the start of articles. But of course not for common names that are so obvious to be shortenings of full names, like Matt which is a shortened form of Matthew. But again I say it's better to have them separately in the first lines. Also excuse me for editing this message three times. ;) Keivan.fTalk 20:07, 22 August 2015 (UTC)
In all fairness, this is English Wikipedia and is aimed at people whose native language is English (people with other native languages have their own Wikipedias). You would be hard-pressed to find a native English speaker who didn't know that Bill was the normal diminutive of William. Similar examples would include Bob or Bert (Robert), Jack (John), Jim (James), Harry (Henry), Kate (Catherine) and Liz (Elizabeth), none of which are true shortenings but which are incredibly common diminutives nonetheless. They just don't need explaining to a native English speaker. But the real bugbear here is insertion of a nickname in quotes or parentheses within a name; it looks terrible, amateurish and unencyclopaedic and also creates confusion as there are many different usages. -- Necrothesp (talk) 09:10, 24 August 2015 (UTC)

Deletion review of Jeffrey Allen Sinclair[edit]

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MC 1918-20[edit]

What a great piece of work this is! (which sounds so much better than: 'what a peculiar way to spend your life'...  :;).

I refer to your entry for Captain & temp.Lt.Col. (just savour that one for a moment!) MCC Harrison, DSO, MC* (orange highlights). You can add afer the Regt., that he was in the 2nd Bn. His other MC falls within this article: 18.09.16. (bar: 20.01.30). (Ref.: for both: LG.31759, p.1229, of 20.01.30).. He merits an article in his own right.

He served in 2 RIr.Regt. pretty much the whole war, 1914-18, with the not-insignificant proviso that he was a POW from 14.11.20 to 17.09.13! (date of repatriation from neutral Netherlands). Given his absence from the Front, it was a rapid recovery to be CO 2 Bn. from 18.03.22 to Armistice. One MC would be for the escape and the DSO for being a CO for most of 1918, a busy year, literally in one way and then another... He was also given, for no obvious connection, al Valore Militare in silver, by Italy, presumably for the escape. (He was not in Cavan's forces in Italy). He was famous as a seasoned escaper, and is of course the Maj. (peacetime reversion) MCC Harrison who wrote Within Four Walls, with another escaper - not I think together on the 1917 one - in 1930. When the Irish regts. disbanded, he became a R.Tank Corps man. (he was used to being banged up within 4 walls... :;). His Captaincy was earned in 1907! (1907-23!), as a TF officer in 3 Bn., Loyal N.Lancs. In WW2, he worked in MI.9, passing on his escape experience to a new generation, until WW2 escapers could take over. He was after all, born in 1888! (c.52 y.o.). His work is about to be re-published, so there will be interest in an article. You're the man to do the job.

Keep up the great work.Protozoon (talk) 21:40, 29 August 2015 (UTC)

Thanks. It's my ambition, which will probably never be achieved (!), to add every British honour to the list. He does indeed merit an article, and hopefully will receive one in due course. Regards. -- Necrothesp (talk) 08:18, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for giving me a more nuanced view on Award Categories[edit]

Thanks for sharing your thoughts on what make an award defining; our conversation might be the only thing of value to come out of that silly nomination Based on your input, I gave more thoughtful vote on the other open nomination than I otherwise would have.

I don't think it's obvious now but, a year ago, many prominent Europeans had so many perfunctory award categories that it was difficult to navigate their other categories. But maybe we threw out the baby with the bathwater in a few cases. I'm not in favor of a wholesale rollback but I am absolutely open to reconsidering specific award categories in future CFD discussions. RevelationDirect (talk) 11:04, 5 September 2015 (UTC)

It may well be true that honours that are only used by heads of state to honour other heads of state (or people at a similar level) lead to category clutter, but it is ridiculous to delete categories for (genuine) honours with wider recipient bases. For a head of state with twenty honours from other countries it's probably not defining - just something they get as a matter of course when they visit each other. For other people it most certainly is defining. And to suggest gallantry awards aren't defining, as some editors seem to be doing, just shows monumental ignorance of the real world. -- Necrothesp (talk) 08:16, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

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Arbitration case request[edit]

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Thanks, Yunshui  09:44, 24 September 2015 (UTC)

Sorry, cross posted and didn't see your statement - thanks for commenting; ignore the above. Yunshui  09:46, 24 September 2015 (UTC)

Laurence Olivier[edit]

Hi Necrothesp, is this edit ok? Can the title be used alongside the OM? CassiantoTalk 18:49, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

No, it's not usual to use Kt as a postnominal - Knight Bachelor doesn't commonly take a postnom. His peerage effectively superseded his knighthood in any case. -- Necrothesp (talk) 21:51, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
Many thanks! CassiantoTalk 01:54, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

Arbitration case request declined[edit]

The and Necrothesp arbitration case request, which you were listed as a party to, has been declined by the Arbitration Committee. For the Arbitration Committee, L235 (t / c / ping in reply) 16:03, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

Precious again[edit]

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honours notes
Thank you for quality articles on English institutions and their people, following interests as diverse as Criminal Investigation Department, Florence Baptistery and Sara Mackmin, for precise categories and lists of awards, for updating according to honours notes, - you are an awesome Wikipedian!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:57, 30 September 2014 (UTC)

A year ago, you were the 988th recipient of my PumpkinSky Prize, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:56, 30 September 2015 (UTC)