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Roughton, Norfolk[edit]

Hi, I just have seen your addition to Roughton, Norfolk; any source for Einsteins visit there? Pommes104 15:08, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Several sources. (I first heard the story on BBC radio)


Aleksis Dreimanis[edit]

Hi Nedrutland,

I noticed you addition to the Dreimanis article. I'm going to remove it for now. Please feel free to add it back if you have a reference to confirm.

We have to be diligent about sourcing all our references, especially for living people. Clerks. 17:26, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

I don't see your concern here; the Baltic University in Exile was established for Displaced Persons in Germany and was at the DP camps in Hamburg and then Pinneberg [1]Ned de Rotelande

de Bernales[edit]

re [2]. Thanks for clarifying that. I recall when I wrote it that the material I had was a bit confusing about which school it actually was. —Moondyne 07:38, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

CdB was only at Uppingham for less than a year.

Ned de Rotelande 21:45, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

Seaton Viaduct[edit]

I think you're getting confused between Seaton viaduct and Welland/Harringworth viaduct. Seaton viaduct is the separate structure to the north of Seaton that carries the existing line over the dismantled line to Uppingham (see this map). This is confirmed by the Quail Railway Track Diagrams, Volume 4: Midlands & North West (ISBN 0-9549866-0-1). It may be that local residents refer to the Welland viaduct as Seaton - if you can provide citeably evidence of this it may be worth adding. I have some other statistics about the Welland viaduct, which I'll add tonight. – Tivedshambo (talk) 06:54, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Turks in Bulgaria[edit]

Thank you for your edits. I've tried to edit the article myself before but got reverted w/o explanation, no matter the stated source - the US Congress Library. --Petar Petrov 18:36, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Thorney links[edit]

While you seem to be editing this page and removing my links I was wondering why you are choosing to overlook other commercial links under the same heading which to my knowledge are also profit making ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Moreteyne (talkcontribs) 14:30, 3 September 2007 (UTC)


Cheers for the message, yeah read it in Private eye in the lastest copy which said she no longer work for Nick. I'll put the ref in when I get home and i can see the details more clearly. Philbentley 09:55, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Isle of Wight[edit]

I think we (Wikipedia) had the claim about Rutland prior to the QI episode was broadcast, but I don't deny that it might have been added by a QI elf during their research. Still it strikes me as not being an unreasonable claim - what with a coastline of c. 92 km, it would only take approximately 50m on average between high and low tide to make the Island larger than Rutland.

Anyway - just though the fact that we got there first might be of interest to you. :: smile :: --Neo (talk) 12:04, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

I find the factoid extremely dubious. Calculation of area would normally be based only upon dry land i.e. the high tide figure.

As for your comment about got there first well you only had a sheriff and lord lieutnenant in 1974 you Johnny-come-latelies!  :: smile :: Ned de Rotelande 12:14, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

William Brampton Gurdon[edit]

Hi Nedrutland, just a general query really about where you got the name details from? The name I added originally was from Rayments peerage: [3], which is normally quite reliable. cheers - Galloglass 20:39, 2 February 2008 (UTC)


I'm sorry, but the first part (genus) of scientific names of species is always capitalized. Like Daphne blagayana instead of daphne blagayana. There is also a consensus to write common names of birds capitalized (see Wikipedia:NC#Animals, plants, and other organisms). --Eleassar my talk 09:47, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Ill Met By Moonlight[edit]

Before we both get into 3RR problems, can I suggest that you take you objections to the bolding of names in the "Cast notes" sub-section to the talk page. I'm always happy to discuss formatting questions. Ed Fitzgerald (unfutz) (talk / cont) 08:50, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

I see you have had a run-in with Ed. I have initiated a WP:RfC regarding his continual disregard for the style guidelines here if you wish to comment. Clarityfiend (talk) 17:48, 22 April 2008 (UTC)


Thanks for your copy editing, do keep it up! Nortonius (talk) 14:31, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

And thanks for adding categories: just a thought, and you might well know this, but Medeshamstede/Peterborough spent about a thousand years in Northants. before it became part of Cambs. I've no idea what that means for the 'Monasteries in...' categories though, maybe they only need the current position? Nortonius (talk) 07:14, 12 May 2008 (UTC)


I've created a talk page for Gyrwe, which you've modified recently, with a question you might want to answer. Cheers. Nortonius (talk) 13:26, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Billy Barker was Cornish[edit]

Just noticed your edit at Barkerville, British Columbia from a while back; he may have been from Cambridgeshire but all BC histories describe him as Cornish; ethnically Cornish only, but enough of a Cornishman that all his contemporaries described him that way. Are you sure there's no Cornish ghetto in Cambridge? :-) ??Skookum1 (talk) 03:47, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Walter Padley[edit]

Hello, Nedrutland

I notice that you have categorised Walter Padley as a British conscientious objector, but you have added no detail of such objection to the body of the article. Have you any detail, source etc?

Mountdrayton (talk) 01:58, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Not the firmest evidence; at I had found this about the Ealing Acton by-election "Walter Padley was an industrial organizer with a large amount of support from the shop stewards at Napiers, an engineering firm located in Acton Vale. During the war he had been a conscientious objector believing the war to be imperialist in its aims. However he had also been rejected by a medical board for military service on the grounds that he suffered from asthma." Ned de Rotelande 06:00, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Hanley Grange[edit]

Hello Nedrutland Thanks for your contribution to the Hanley Grange entry - we have a wiki at - I'd appreciate any thoughts you might have to help get this off the mark - regards —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 20:22, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Rutland Scouting[edit]


You seem to know something about this. I have seen one site that suggests the Rutland is now a District in Lincolnshire. Is that right or is it still a separate County? Whatever the answer is, is there a source we can use on wikipedia? --Bduke (talk) 12:44, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, but what main article? Scouting in East Midlands#Lincolnshire Scout County has Rutland as a District in Lincolnshire. That is the article where it should be discussed. The real point is that whatever Rutland is, we need a source. Original research is not allowed. --Bduke (Discussion) 21:08, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Sir Robert Pattinson[edit]

Thanks for the correction re: Kesteven County Council. I thought I had the correct reference in an earlier version which I cut and pasted into the article when I was editing it but obviously not. Mind you with editing pieces about Robert and Samuel Pattinson and Winfrey etc. I am not surprised I got a bit mixed up. Grateful for your oversight. Graham Lippiatt (talk) 19:10, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Re Biggles[edit]

Dear Nedrutland,

regarding your undo of my amendment to Biggles page regarding flight training. Seething is not a fictional place. It is in fact a Norfolk village and aerodrome South East of Norwich. The aerodrome was base for Liberator Bombers of the USAF 448th Bomber Group of US 2nd Air Division, a museum still exists in their memory, see

My alteration to Seething linked to the village page on Wikipedia, the previous link to 'Settling' linked to a chemical reaction(??)


Nick Sims —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 10:32, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Nick, When I undid your revision my note was "Fictional place I believe (- unless you can cite))" by which I meant Settling (like Frensham, Lincs) was a fictional base. I accept Seething is not fictional but I understand the Biggles books (which I do not have) refer to a training school at Settling. If you can cite a source that he trained at Seething, please supply a reference. As far as I can see, Seething airbase only opened in WW2.

I agree that Settling should not be wikilinked. Ned de Rotelande 11:25, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

I have now found the reference: "It was an aerodrome, or, to be more precise, the aerodrome of No. 17 Flying Training School, which was situated near the village of Settling, in Norfolk." [1] Ned de Rotelande 11:49, 11 December 2008 (UTC)


List of Grade I listed buildings in Rutland[edit]

Many thanks for adding. Have tweaked links, mainly to improve categories. You've probably seen the flickr group England's Best Buildings. Perhaps I'll see you there.Major-General Clanger (talk) 14:16, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Gothick or Gothic[edit]

I have learnt something today, Gothick is a word! - Thanks for correcting. MortimerCat (talk) 23:10, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks again for correcting, its nice to know there is someone proof reading. MortimerCat (talk) 07:11, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Nevill Holt[edit]

Ross never went to Nevill Holt - I know, I was there. He was brought there by a friend at Uppingham on a Sunday afternoon. Also, nothing in the referenced article backs up the assertion he was a pupil. Question therefore is - why the undo of the change? (talk) 18:51, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

The change was not undone. Ned de Rotelande 07:28, 24 April 2009 (UTC)


I rather liked the (admittedly peripheral) reference to "The film starred Rutger Hauer as John Thornton and was narrated by Richard Dreyfuss." They did a wonderful performance (I know this isn't an Oscar nomination, and I think it deserves mention. But I'm not ready to edit war or change this to the point of insistence. Think about it. Otherwise, your edits were very helpful. Happy editing. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 18:33, 3 June 2009 (UTC) Stan

Ian Cundy[edit]

Hi, thanks for correcting me. Probably I was influenced by the German equivalent to funeral service - "Messe". Best wishes and thanks again. ~~ Phoe talk ~~ 13:10, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Frieda Harris[edit]

Hi. I did quite a bit of editing on the Lady Frieda Harris page, seemed to be full of editorializing and need for clarity. Checked many of your edits, and they seemed very good and helped the page when it was in even worse shape. If you could spare a few minutes would you look at my edits and see if I went too far or not far enough in the areas I worked on. Harris is such a major figure, and to give her the best and most accurate page possible seems appropriate. Thanks, Aleister Wilson (talk) 00:31, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Mayor of Uppingham[edit]

Stop vandalising the Uppingham Page[edit]

Stop vandalising the Uppingham page with unreferenced edits and deletions without specifying a reason. Please refer to WP guidelines before editing pages in future. (talk) 17:23, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Of course you are right; the mayor of a small English town is a Ghanaian heptathlete. See here - UppTC members

If you want to be taken seriously, stop hiding behind an IP. Ned de Rotelande 17:56, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Stop posting outdated links and vandalising this page. Thank you. (talk) 23:08, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

Nedrutland is a well known vandal of wikipedia[edit]

Get ready for your undo ban! —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 23:56, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

Still nothing better to do than vandalize,eh?[edit]

I suspect Nedrutland has never even been to Uppingham... (talk) 11:25, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

Mayor of Uppingham[edit]

I have posted the following on the Uppingham discussion page:

"There has been a revert conflict between several numerical IP addresses and me about the name of the mayor. The IPs maintain that Margaret Simpson is mayor and initially linked to a Ghanaian heptathlete of that name. Lately the IPs (one of which has been blocked) have offered a supposed supporting reference but the cited source does not support their claim.

There is a Margaret Simpson in Uppingham, a retired primary head whose husband is a town councillor[4] and former mayor, but she is not the mayor nor a town councillor.

The current members of Uppingham Town Council are shown on the town council’s website; and which show that the mayor is Karen Senogles and this is confirmed by news reports, for example from this year."

Ned de Rotelande 12:33, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

About Lawrence's payments for being beaten[edit]

Since it seems you are the only editor insisting in keeping the paragraph in the article can you produce an ordinary citation on that in the text in order to prove the existence of such a speculation. Thanks, --Factuarius (talk) 20:38, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

Anna Span[edit]

You removed a couple of references here without explanation. Please use the edit summary to explain this sort of action. Kenilworth Terrace (talk) 17:06, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

Alfred Cattell[edit]

You replaced Cattell on his article as a councillor rather than a Lord Major. The cite given sates Lord Mayor, he is also listed under the Lord Mayor of Sheffield article as Lord Mayor of Sheffield in 1917. Do you have any evidence to challenge these entries? FruitMonkey (talk) 16:53, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

I did not alter Cattell to councillor rather than Lord Major - I added the category Councillors in Sheffield to the existing category of Lord Mayors of Sheffield. You do not become a mayor of a borough out of nowhere. Ned de Rotelande 07:55, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

Apologies FruitMonkey (talk) 16:53, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

River Welland[edit]

Thanks for the various corrections you have made to this article. Do you have a source for the Anglo-Saxon Chronicle date of 921, please? Bob1960evens (talk) 14:46, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

I took it firstly from Barrie Cox (The Place-names of Rutland; p3) but then checked it on the 'net. Thanks for your major expansion of the Welland article (and for mentioning a distant relative, the Chief Engineer of the Welland Drainage Board). Ned de Rotelande 09:22, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

Ned, just noticed your addition of first names to Rutland and Melton (UK Parliament constituency). I would love to be doing this as a matter of course but my reliable source (Politics Resources) has only initials. Do you have a source I could be using? As it is I'm keeping first names for people with links, but losing I'm first names if I regenerate the election entry for someone WP hasn't heard of, as I've no source. Quite happy to redo these if there is a reliable way of doing so. Thanks. Crooked cottage (talk) 23:37, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Ferenc Békássy[edit]

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DYK for Ferenc Békássy[edit]

Materialscientist (talk) 06:03, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

Philip Hamond[edit]

Thanks for this superb new stub. But please explain: what had the Rector of Stiffkey done to make Hamond so angry? The Straits Times article cited seems to be too politely restrained to go into detail on this. Thanks, Gurt Posh (talk) 10:21, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

One suggestion is "Davidson's fall from grace began when he tactlessly demanded that an influential parishioner, Major Philip Hamond, must buy the land around the grave of his first wife if he wanted to tend it." "Defrocked rector was 'unfairly vilified'" Guardian, 18 September 2004 (His first wife had died 1926)

In 1930, Davidson missed the Remembrance Day service. Hamond, who had disliked Davidson since he refused to allow him to be churchwarden in 1919 and had had several further altercations with him since, was 'incandescent with rage' and accused Davidson of insulting the war dead.

One could imagine that a ex-army officer would not take to a theatrical, flamboyant leftie! Ned de Rotelande 11:06, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

Fascinating stuff, thanks. Gurt Posh (talk) 11:10, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

Air-tractor sledge[edit]

Is there a reason you reverted my anti-vandal revision on Air-tractor sledge? SPARKZY 07:32, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

Yes - error. Was attempting to remove vandalism in the form of 'rude' words Ned de Rotelande

Thanks. SPARKZY 07:37, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

Church of St Michael and All Angels, Christchurch[edit]

Newspaper reports only seem to support "only Anglican church" (that qualifier "Anglican" may be implicit in the church's website). I've suggested an alternative DYK hook, which may also clarify the importance of timber. -- (talk) 10:06, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

Thanks; I had suspected that might be the case but couldn't identify where to look to check. Ned de Rotelande 12:39, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

It may well be the only Church, but you can't say that without a solid reference. -- (talk) 13:14, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Church of St Michael and All Angels, Christchurch[edit]

Materialscientist (talk) 00:03, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Rupert Matthews (politician)[edit]

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Robert Browne (Brownist)[edit]

Re article Robert Browne, I have been researching this subject for over six months. Could you please explain why you have deleted my amendment? Charles — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 09:10, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

Because it was from a numerical IP, was a wholesale replacement, it appeared a cut & paste job, lacked references, did not comply with Wikipedia manual of style and was tagged "references removed".

I then saw the article was in need of improvement and started work on it. Why don't you sign in, Charles, and join the work? Ned de Rotelande 09:19, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

Will do! Thanks Charles — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 09:21, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

May Hill[edit]

Great improvements! I think we should pat each other on the back. Now just the birds and the rocks to reference. Another day, perhaps. Best, Brian. Bmcln1 (talk) 15:11, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

Ha ha[edit]

HAHAHAHA!!! Thanks! I assumed it was vandalism. Daniel the Monk (talk) 14:15, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

György Konrád[edit]

I'd really appretiate if you'd stop whitewash György Konrád.

The references are there. They are refering to hungarian press, but you can follow the links.

If you don't understand hungarian, than you're welcome to use google translate. If you don't know how to use google translate, please call google helpdesk.

If you whish, I can provide you with adresses for Hungarian for beginners courses, so you can understand the language, but do not stop the free flow of information. Anonymus is watching. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hurvinek (talkcontribs) 08:22, 27 February 2012 (UTC)


Dear Ned Rutland, hello. Reg the change of dates for WSR Hodson, are you sure of the dates pl? Is here any way we could perhaps counter check them somewhere? Thanks Khani100 (talk) 09:49, 20 April 2012 (UTC)Khani100

Pictures of Stamford[edit]

Hi, If I were to send you a few pictures of churches in Stamford would you be able to upload them where appropriate as that is sadly beyond me? Lonstan (talk) 14:29, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

Stanley Holloway[edit]

Hi, thanks for the reference on Holloway, however, I cannot see him listed. Can you explain the need for it? -- CassiantoTalk 11:26, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

Now clarified by adding the page numbers. It reads; "The undermentioned to be Second Lieutenants (on probation). Dated the 9th December, 1915:— .... Stanley Augustus Holloway, Connaught Rangers."

As to the need:

  • Primary source preferred to secondary,
  • more precise, and
  • I suspect contradicts the previous text; "immediately" when apparently 12+ months later

(The biography was probably written with more interest in show business than military history) Nedrutland (talk)

I'm very sorry, but I still cannot see SH listed on the attached PDF. -- CassiantoTalk 16:02, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

The relevant info is on consecutive pages: 12296 AND 12297 His name is on the second. Nedrutland (talk)

OK thanks. I would remove the one that is currently on there in that case as he is not listed. I would put the second page on there instead. Failing that, add the second one as well if you can. All the best! -- CassiantoTalk 21:23, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

DYK for John Angel (sculptor)[edit]

The DYK project (nominate) 00:02, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

Wadi Rum[edit]

Thanks for catching my mistake there. Dougweller (talk) 13:32, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

Little Gidding and T.S. Eliot[edit]

At the Little Gidding article, you reference Eliot's Anglicanism and Society of Charles the Martyr adherence...I'm familiar with this, but for the purpose of footnote #9...which St Stephens? ;-) --ColonelHenry (talk) 20:16, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

Ah, cut-and-paste job from the Eliot page; ref now expanded to Saint Stephen's, Gloucester Road, London (where he was a churchwarden). Nedrutland (talk) 20:20, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

Catmose College[edit]


Thank you for your edits, however we are not a specialist arts College. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SkydiveMacca (talkcontribs) 08:38, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

Catmose was a specialist arts college; when did that status end? Nedrutland (talk) 08:41, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

Broodseinde photo[edit]

I thought those squaddies were looking a bit casual.;O)Keith-264 (talk) 12:28, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

Burghley House[edit]

Hi Ned, I'm interested in why you revert edits that place it in Lincolnshire when the website of the house itself states that it's in Lincolshire. Do you have a WP:RS that places it in Cambs? Regards, Ericoides (talk) 10:46, 10 March 2013 (UTC)

You misinterpret the House's website. The website pages gives a postal address as Stamford, Lincolnshire i.e. the post town is in Lincolnshire but the house itself is not.

The house is in the area traditionally known as the Soke of Peterborough which has been shunted around different admin arrangements over the years (but never with Lincs). Currently it is the unitary authority of Peterborough which remains for ceremonial purposes in Cambridgeshire. Nedrutland (talk)

Thanks, very interesting. Was it ever in Northants? Ericoides (talk) 11:34, 10 March 2013 (UTC)

Yes; see Soke of Peterborough. Historically the Lincs boundary with Northants/the Soke was the River Welland. Nedrutland (talk)

March 2013[edit]

Hello, I'm Faizan. I wanted to let you know that I undid one of your recent contributions to History of the Jews in Pakistan because it didn't appear constructive, instead of refering to British India, a better statement reffering to the present day Pakistan can be used. Do discuss it first, then revert any of the edits, again! Do not revert! We can discuss it, the Article is about Pakistan, not about British India. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Faizan (talk) 13:33, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

Yes I think you have made a mistake. :-)

The article is about Pakistan, but the preceding sentence refers to numbers at "the beginning of the twentieth century" so I correctly refered to "those parts of British India that became Pakistan" as the country of Pakistan did not exist then (nor, I believe, was even contemplated?). Nedrutland (talk) 13:45, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

Discuss at the talk, at article!. Faizan (talk) 15:27, 21 March 2013 (UTC)
I had! Nedrutland (talk) 15:32, 21 March 2013 (UTC)
I have replied there dude! Faizan (talk) 13:25, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

List of minor characters - Hitchhikers[edit]

Employing WP:STATUSQUO, can we discuss this at [[5]]. Student7 (talk) 20:23, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

Normanton Hall[edit]

Hi - Please can you add references to your edits on Normanton Hall. Thanks. Dormskirk (talk) 21:45, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

My two recent edits only added wikilinks but I will look again at the page. Nedrutland (talk) 06:16, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

Many thanks. Dormskirk (talk) 21:55, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

April 2013[edit]

Hello, I'm LatinWolf (talk). I wanted to let you know that I undid one of your recent contributions to Norval Marley because it didn't appear constructive. Multiple articles, along with surname etymologies, state that Marley comes from Sussex, England. If you feel like this is wrong, please provide a source stating otherwise and discuss it on the talk page. Until then, do not revert any further edits as you have been doing. LatinWolf (talk) 10:29, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

I did undo one of your edits because it did not seem constructive; you removed a request for citation without providing any citation. You now claim there are "multiple sources" for Sussex; if so you will have no difficulty supplying one reliable citation. Please do not remove requests for citation in future. Nedrutland (talk) 10:35, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

Albert Thomas Marley was English but where was he from?

Registrations of births, marriages and deaths in England and Wales are indexed on line at For the 50 year period from 1837, when the indexing begins, to 1887 (after the approx birth date of Norval), in the County of Sussex there is not one birth of anyone with both the surname Marley and the first name Albert. Now possibly this is because his forenames have been transposed; in 1861, a Thomas Albert Marley was born in the district of Rye.

However in 1851 an Albert Thomas Marley was born in the district of Billericay, Essex and significantly, a Norval Richard Marley was born in Essex in 1847. Albert Thomas appears in Essex in the Censuses of 1861 and 1871 but not 1881.

A website gives further details, including Albert Thomas Marley, b. South Weald, Brentwood, Essex, England, 29 Oct. 1851, d. Colon, Panama, 1 Feb. 1885.

So, it seems that Norval's father was from Essex while his paternal grandparents were born in Rye, Sussex.

Nedrutland (talk) 13:52, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

Newby pic[edit]

Hello again. I think you'll have to write an NFUR for why Newby's pic is needed in A Short Walk, or the Men-guards Who Know will be after yer... --- all the best, Chiswick Chap (talk) 10:23, 23 April 2013 (UTC)


Hello. Without admitting anything, I may happen to know that DBaK has stormed off in a huff after getting thoroughly fed up with this place and is unwilling to participate in anything much at the moment. However I am sure that he or she would be distressed that you'd taken the trouble to leave them a note which might go unanswered for a while. I conjecture that if he or she had seen your note and did reply, they might well have said something like:

  1. Thank you very much for the note.
  2. Well done with the N&A thing - obviously daft in its previous form; much better taken out as it has no useful refs; if someone wants it back in then I'm sure they can find a ref. :) (ahem, to A not N!)
  3. It's interesting to note the story of how that came about, thank you.
  4. Yes, Attlee was often known as The Major so it is significant. DBaK may have been right with his/her view that a direct mention of Clem was useful ... or maybe not. it is, after all, only one click away. "Major Clement Attlee" might read slightly oddly - so on reflection you could just leave it! Storm in teacup. :)
  5. DYK: I understand that DBaK doesn't know anything about this process - sorry. But he or she might well wish you luck with it anyway, out of a general fuzzy goodwill sort of thing. :)

With best wishes from SomeAnonymousPasserAhemYesIndeed SomeAnonymousPasserAhemYesIndeed (talk) 09:25, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

Chuckle! General fuzzy regards to you. Nedrutland (talk) 09:35, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

A cup of coffee for you![edit]

A small cup of coffee.JPG Nice addition to William Willoughby Cole Verner ... I've written to Ted Brink who owns one of the sites to see if we can get a picture of the device. Cheers Victuallers (talk) 19:23, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

Talk:River Welland/GA1[edit]

River Welland is undergoing a GAN. It is a decent article, and will meet GA criteria - though there are a few queries, and a little bit of work to be done on the lead, on the layout, and on incorporating a couple of lists into the article. The review has been put on hold for an initial seven days to allow the work to be done. SilkTork ✔Tea time 23:08, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

Symbol support vote.svg This user helped promote the article River Welland to good article status.

Well done. Keep up the good work! SilkTork ✔Tea time 10:10, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

Heritage Grades[edit]

Hi. I notice that you are applying the change from "grade" to "Grade" in some articles. Just in case you get pulled-up over this, I did present a query on which is best at WikiProject Architecture and was advised that "Grade" is the way to go. The article Listed buildings does capitalise it within, not just at the start, of sentences, and this link shows Nat. Her. using "Grade" within descriptions - here. Happy editing. Acabashi (talk) 11:02, 2 June 2013 (UTC)

Burnham Abbey[edit]

I've queried one of the additions you recently made to Burnham Abbey. Please see the talk page there for details. Thanks. Grblundell (talk) 16:57, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

June 2013[edit]

Please stop your disruptive editing. Your edits have been reverted or removed.

Do not continue to make edits that appear disruptive until the dispute is resolved through consensus. Continuing to edit disruptively may result in your being blocked from editing. Homo sapiens (talk) 19:47, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

Let me guess - a sock puppet for ... Nedrutland (talk) 20:04, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

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After his initial post here and my response I posted the following on his wall (now removed by him);
==A gentle reminder==
Wikipedia:Sock puppetry “The general rule is one editor, one account. Do not use multiple accounts to mislead, deceive, or disrupt; to create the illusion of greater support for a position; to stir up controversy; or to circumvent a block, ban, or sanction.”
Now, should I ask for an investigation of possible sock-puppetry or shall I let it rest?
Nedrutland (talk) 07:53, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

A kitten for you![edit]

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Hi, Thank you so much for updating the article "Grand Ethiopian Renaissance Dam"!

Kamal Osama Elgazzar (talk) 16:16, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

A beer for you![edit]

Export hell seidel steiner.png Thanks for adding the missing ref to Leslie Cole - I'd lost the url and couldnt find it! Cheers Victuallers (talk) 22:39, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
Thanks; I appreciate beer more than kittens. :-) Nedrutland (talk) 06:18, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

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St John's Church, Stiffkey, Norfolk

Harold Davidson (1875–1937), rector of the Norfolk parish of Stiffkey (church pictured), was a Church of England priest who was convicted in 1932 on charges of immorality and defrocked by the Church. Ordained in 1903, he worked among London's poor and homeless. Styling himself the "Prostitute's Padre", his declared mission was to rescue young girls he considered in danger of falling into prostitution. In this role he approached and befriended hundreds of women, and although there was little evidence of improper behaviour, he was often found in compromising situations and his neglect of his parish and family caused difficulties. A formal complaint led to church disciplinary proceedings, in which his defence was damaged beyond repair by a photograph of him with a near-naked teenage girl. Davidson then pursued a career as a showman to raise funds for his reinstatement campaign, performing novelty acts such as exhibiting himself in a barrel on the Blackpool seafront. He died after being attacked by a lion in whose cage he was appearing. Later commentators have accepted that however inappropriate his behaviour, his motives were genuine and he did not deserve the humiliations he endured. (Full article...)

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Edit summaries[edit]

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Bare URLs[edit]

Thanks for your edit of the Cardboard Cathedral article. Given that you have a healthy edit count by now, I thought I'd encourage you to read up on bare URLs and link rot. If you have questions, please leave a talkback message on my talk page; I'm happy to help. Schwede66 17:59, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

Glen Maney[edit]

Can I ask why you've indicated that The National Liberal Party are a far right party?

If you check with the electoral commission I have requested a name change and a change of personnel. I have NEVER been a member of The Third Way and was not instrumental in any way in it's formation, it's function or it's ethos. I want a fairer society of people of all colours, religions and sexualities who are proud to be British and live by British laws and whilst actively campaigning against racists groups including the EDL and the BNP, I encouraging people from all walks of national origins to join the party and stand for us. Our membership and support reflects this. The policy document is available on the site and I'd love to hear how it is 'far right'. I'm actually considering whether your amendment was slander and I'll leave that to my solicitor to get back to me on. Kind regards, Glen Maney — Preceding unsigned comment added by Glenfunnyman (talkcontribs) 18:14, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

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Third Way[edit]

Please discontinue any and all edits of the Third Way page.

Confirmation has been received from both Party leadership, and Third Way delegates, for the version imposed.

If you do not agree with the changes, then follow procedure by contacting the leadership of the National Liberty Party and the Third Way board; until such time as this is done, and the Party agrees to you changes, I will continue to revert any and all changes to the article that you make.

The materials contained within the article on my side are those from the direct membership and leaders of what was then the Third Way committee.

Your constant editing of this page is becoming incredibly tedious, and I do assure you that I will continue to undo such until you give up. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 02:08, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

I note your declared Conflict of Interest. Wikipedia is not here for publishing self-written promotional copy.
The cited material remains relevant - even if it were only of historic interest. Others may add further (referenced) material if the page does not reflect the current position. Nedrutland (talk) 08:41, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

Christchurch Cathedral[edit]

Hi. Maybe we were seeing different things on different browsers. My removal of half a pair of brackets was certainly wrong, but your restoration of it to what appeared to be the wrong place didn't seem right either ... or at least not as I am seeing it! For reference, what I saw after your undo was an isolated right parenthesis on its own line between the "Earthquakes" header and its first line of text, "The Canterbury region has experienced many earthquakes etc etc". What I am now seeing is that the photo caption ends "(note the round rose window)" with the right parenthesis moved to the correct place. Is that what you are seeing also? Thanks and best wishes DBaK (talk) 14:06, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

Yes; it was that parenthesis in the photo caption that I restored. How strange. Nedrutland (talk) 14:09, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

Your latest edit has worked. Nedrutland (talk) 14:59, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

Thanks very much. Best wishes DBaK (talk) 15:57, 12 January 2014 (UTC)


Sorry for ruining your edit. The double IP abusing you and the article is User:Richard Daft, subject to WP:BAN. --HCCC14 (talk) 10:26, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

Case at WP:ANI[edit]

Hello Ned. You probably should be aware of this issue at ANI as it mentions problems you had recently. Best wishes. HCCC14 (talk) 09:04, 7 February 2014 (UTC)

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It is - but harder to pin down the facts with reliable sources. Nedrutland (talk) 16:57, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

True. I read the biography a while back & that of course was written before the wartime files became available: there wasn't much of substance. Rather a tragic story, I think: when he started working for the Japanese Britain was giving them loads of assistance. I'll have a dig about & see if I have anything on his First World War career. I'm surprised that nobody had written this article already.

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A user since February 2007... does that make you a regular? If so, didn't mean to offend. Meteor sandwich yum (talk) 09:14, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

Greetings... and my mistake[edit]

Greetings Nedrutland. Thanks for your note (from last January). I've only just seen it (because you left it on my userpage, not on my talk page) and have acted accordingly. I don't recall the exact reason for having changed the spelling..., but there must have been one (I can't access the references right now due to an IT hitch to check, so I'll take your word for it) because I wouldn't normally modify a diaeresis without good cause. Regards, --Technopat (talk) 10:13, 21 April 2014 (UTC)--Technopat (talk) 10:13, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

Greetings again. Thanks for your note. I'll go through the article again in a while (got to dash right now) to correct the camelCase you mention. Again, I'm sure that the original reason for me modifying 'em all must have been a good one, but faced with the evidence, I have no choice but to revert to the default. Re. your apology, no problem - I only mentioned it so that you'd understand why I hadn't replied sooner. Regards, --Technopat (talk) 11:36, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

Lawrence and Brass Rubbings[edit]

In fact the story is true, Lawrence did do brass rubbings as a teenager (?!?!?); maybe that only seems weird from a 21st-century perspective. Marking it as uncited would be perfectly OK though. Tim Bray (talk) 07:38, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Sorry if I am missing the point but I thought NR had removed it because it was a duplicate? It's near the start of the archaeology section, and I would not have thought it needed two mentions. As for it being weird, I dunno - if you google "brass rubbing" you find plenty of current refs to it. It's just that often now churches don't permit original brasses to be rubbed, hence the appearance of centres with reproductions. And it's the 21st century and I am (more or less) alive ... :) cheers DBaK (talk) 09:47, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

DBaK's interpretation of my motives is correct - I removed the sentence because it was covered more fully in the following section - and with a reference - and not from any prejudice against the interest. (As a small boy, I visited many a church with an older sibling who did do brass-rubbing). Nedrutland (talk) 13:25, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

Robert Cawdrey[edit]

Whoops. Sorry for that, I've added the article to my bot's exception list. CmdrObot (talk) 22:19, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

Bringing out the "ire" in Ireland[edit]

D'óh!. Is it the 21st century already? Clarityfiend (talk) 09:01, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

T. E. Lawrence's Brough Superior[edit]

I have placed your reference here with a note that it was on loan for a period. Leaving it out will mean that editors will assume it has been omitted in error and keep putting it back. What do you think? Britmax (talk) 12:36, 5 September 2014 (UTC)

Lochnagar mine[edit]

Dear Ned, apologies for deleting your edits to the page earlier and putting you to the trouble of restoring them, I thought for a while that the article was going to be deleted now that La Boisselle is nearly finished. I have a bit more to add about 1 July from Middlebrook but nothing on commemoration I'm afraid.Keith-264 (talk) 17:14, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

Time Team[edit]

You have reverted my change to the Time Team episode guide. There are multiple entries all saying Sutton Courtenay, and i assure you that one is wrong. I watched the episode on tv today and it IS NOT Sutton Courtenay. The location is Dropshort. If you still need further proof look at the geolocation link already asigned to that entry and also this IMDB page for the episode. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dr Zoidbergh (talkcontribs) 20:19, 17 January 2015 (UTC)

William H. Mounsey[edit]

Dear Sir, I understand your correction, but the problem is that in the text a little bit higher is written: Rockcliffe (as on: Why is it than here: Rocliffe? Perhaps because that is how it is done in the Morning Post? See :reference (original) Romeinsekeizer (talk) 14:39, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

While the spelling has now standardised as Rockliffe, the 1877 quotation from the Morning Post has "Rocliffe Hall"; as the quotation marks in the reference should have made clear. Nedrutland (talk) 14:49, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

Thank you again. I thought it was possibly a wrong spelling typing that word. Nevertheless on the Streetmap is written: Rockcliffe and not Rockliffe. I know that the last name exists for a hotel somewhere else. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Romeinsekeizer (talkcontribs) 15:21, 23 January 2015 (UTC) Romeinsekeizer (talk) 15:31, 23 January 2015 (UTC)


I lost your last text. So I will try here: with: and type: The Mounsey Family-The Hissem-Montague Family, and click on that, you will find the details. Scroll, passing ships and stop with: William Henry Mounsey (1808). You can find all the details.Romeinsekeizer — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 13:22, 24 January 2015 (UTC) Romeinsekeizer (talk) 13:24, 24 January 2015 (UTC)


I really hope you can continue to help with the Lionel article. See my comments at Talk:Lionel de Jersey Harvard#Son's name. EEng (talk) 17:54, 3 February 2015 (UTC)

Just to mention I've been pursuing the matter you directed me to, and hope it will bear fruit. I'll keep you informed. Thanks. EEng (talk) 16:15, 25 February 2015 (UTC) P.S. I wonder, given your discussion with another below on this page, if John Wilkins is one of your favorite people; he's certainly one of mine.
I haven't forgotten your help -- still working on this project in the background. Thanks again. EEng (talk) 13:14, 15 April 2015 (UTC)
I'm still pursuing you-know-what. Need to go through official Harvard channels. Thanks again for pointing me to it. EEng (talk) 02:45, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

Alan Craig[edit]

Hi, I just have seen your addition to Alan Craig, former leader of the Christian Peoples' Alliance

I am researching the CPA and its new party leader, Sid Cordle.

When I am satisfied that the information is correct and unbias, I'd like to upload a profile for Sidney Cordle and cross reference it. However, I do not know how to upload a new record on Wikipedia. Can you help me?

Thanks, Arnie — Preceding unsigned comment added by AFabius7 (talkcontribs) 17:48, 9 February 2015 (UTC)


Dear Ned, you are doubtless correct to challenge this epithet. My only defence for using it is that that is how V Wing himself described Atwell in the title page of the Defence of Astrologie, supposedly written in 1658 and edited in 1660 (a date I have only just corrected from the inherited mistake saying 1668). Here's the 1660 wording: "Written by the Learned and Ingenious Mathematician, Mr. GEORGE ATWEL, late Professor of the Mathematicks in the University of Cambridg; and now published by a Friend, for the publike benefit of his native Countrymen of England. VVhose Preface is hereunto annexed." This is linked to in my footnote giving the title of the Defence. It does appear to be saying that Atwell is a Prof in the University, though 'Professor' might only mean teacher in this case perhaps. You are ahead of me and I must keep up! I suppose Venn's Alumni is the next stop? Thanks for your continuing vigilance, as I am prone to such casual infelicities. Yrs Eebahgum (talk) 11:49, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for your response. If he had been a professor I thought he should have a mention at least elsewhere on Wikipedia but couldn't find one. I did then look at Venn which only offers "Atwell, George. 'Cantab. de studio et praxi mathematicis non ignobilis': died Sept. 14, 1658, aged 82. M.I. at N. Runcton, Norfolk. Should have matriculated c. 1593-5. (Le Neve, Mon. v. 48.)". Nedrutland (talk) 11:58, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

Caroline Dinenage[edit]

Hmmm, I've noticed there's a bit of a problem. I've been going over the sources for the statement that ip has tried to remove twice. Dinenage's site has been revamped, so the supporting information vanished. Normally, I'd just switch out to the archive url, but that's mangled. Annoyingly , I saw the information was there myself. and suspiciously Dinenage's site removed that page almost immediately after a HoC IP address tried to remove it from the article.

It looks to my eyes like someone is very keen to rewrite history, but as it stands we don't have a source for the claim the ip is trying to remove right now. Any ideas on how to proceed? Dolescum (talk) 01:05, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

Mounsey (the end)[edit]

Thank you for all your helpRomeinsekeizer (talk) 14:45, 11 March 2015 (UTC)

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Thank you for your patience and for sorting what needed sorting despite my confused attempts to drag a kipper across the trail. Tim riley talk 19:38, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

Red Barn Murder[edit]

Nedrutland, I see that you have been asked this before, could you please provide an edit summary and not decide that I and other editors have to check what improvements you have made to the article. it is after all a simple thing to do. Thanks Edmund Patrickconfer 09:09, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

Cowley (surname)[edit]

Hi, you added the name Richard Colley to the above article, is it correct? Regards Denisarona (talk) 16:57, 3 September 2015 (UTC)

Whether it is correct is for others to judge but my intention was to link to Richard Wesley, 1st Baron Mornington, (who was born Richard Colley); my reasoning being that the spelling of the family's name varied between Cowley and Colley and placing Richard Colley there might be helpful for someone looking for Richard Cowley. Nedrutland (talk) 19:42, 3 September 2015 (UTC)

Sorry, I was only trying to be helpful. Denisarona (talk) 04:52, 4 September 2015 (UTC)


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Oldham West[edit]

Just a quick one - I have started a discussion about the now 2 disputed edits on the article talk page. Frinton100 (talk) 23:22, 9 November 2015 (UTC)

Noted - and responded. Nedrutland (talk) 23:56, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
Very good - noted too & look forward to your reply to my question re. watchlists. M Mabelina (talk) 01:30, 10 November 2015 (UTC)


Hi Nedrutland - I don't want to be objectionable but there is a long-running battle with two folk who seem to be Labour sympathisers and keep threatening to cite me to the Admins. It has got to the stage that I am fed up with this, and since I know my stuff, I shall present the arguments and evidence to the Admins. It is a waste of time engaging in discussion with them because it never stops. I don't know how you got involved but it has got to the stage where order needs to be restored. My apologies if you unwittingly strayed into this one. Thanks M Mabelina (talk) 23:23, 9 November 2015 (UTC)

Why did you just revert without explanation (other than relying on others)? Please... M Mabelina (talk) 23:37, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
Sorry User:Nedrutland but in reply to Mablelina: WP:NPA. WP:AGF. Are you a UKIP sympathiser Mabelina? AusLondonder (talk) 23:50, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
It is good that you just did this (for reasons that should be more than apparent) - Mabelina is my name & I am not a UKIP sympathiser. I won't venture any more here. M Mabelina (talk) 23:56, 9 November 2015 (UTC)

Mabelina, my reversions each referred to the official document, the SOPN. Nedrutland (talk) 23:58, 9 November 2015 (UTC)

Yes Nedrutland but this is not a legal doc. M Mabelina (talk) 00:12, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

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Papal bull[edit]

you are not going to get copies of papal bull since chanceries are now strict at releasing copies of papal bull due to possibly plagiarism, especially in social media. we have way too many devotees claiming honors and prestige when there is no proof from Rome that such are designated by the Pope or their prefects. SICDAMNOME (talk) 10:42, 31 December 2015 (UTC)

I did not ask for a bull; however, I would expect the announcement to be picked up in a national newspaper or other Reliable Source. Nedrutland (talk) 10:48, 31 December 2015 (UTC)

Papa Westray[edit]

Hi Nedrutland. I have removed part of your addition to this article, as it appears to have been copied from — Diannaa 🍁 (talk) 18:03, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

No problem; I had copied it from Triduana, not the source you have identified. Nedrutland (talk) 18:19, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

I thought it might be a Wikipedia mirror, but wasn't sure. If you could please provide attribution when copying within Wikipedia, that would be helpful; in fact it is required by the terms of the CC-by-SA license. At a minimum, you must say in the edit summary that content was copied, together with a link to the source article. For more information on this topic, please see WP:Copying within Wikipedia. — Diannaa 🍁 (talk) 18:34, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

Edith Cavell Bridge[edit]

Hi Ned. I've removed your listing of the bridge from the main Edith Cavell page because it was already listed on the List of dedications to Edith Cavell page. The citation was interesting though and I have transferred that over. There are so many places, schools, roads etc named after Edith that they have been split away from the main page. Regards, Martin of Sheffield (talk) 10:05, 27 April 2016 (UTC)

East Anglia[edit]

I see that you reverted my edit to East Anglia. When intentionally linking to a disambiguation page, the link should go through the (disambiguation) redirect (per WP:INTDABLINK). This helps those of us at WP:DPL (along with everyone else including the bots that help us) that the link is intentional. -Niceguyedc Go Huskies! 19:03, 26 May 2016 (UTC)

St. Andrew's Priory article[edit]

Just been reading this - it looks OK, but what are the sources for all this? Blythwood (talk) 12:10, 21 June 2016 (UTC)


Hey, big thanks for chipping in with the T.E. Lawrence cleanup. If you haven’t already, you might want to check the conversation & advice I’ve been getting near the bottom of the talk page. I’m now grinding through top-to-bottom with a stack of biographies on the table. Any input or advice would be welcome. Tim Bray (talk) 08:30, 17 July 2016 (UTC)

Thankful Villages[edit]


Hi, I have a question, and I am a relative newbie by the way. On Thankful Villages you changed the citation that I put in, from the i newspaper (by which I had meant the printed paper - not sure if that was clear ... should have given page no), to be a hyperlink to a web page of the same material (and with same date) at that newspaper's website. Now suppose that link went dead at some point, this would then be a no-good citation whereas my original citation from the printed paper would have still been good. So I ask whether the link citation is really better than the printed paper citation? Or maybe you assumed it was a just poorly written reference to the website? I realise links are handy for people... maybe there's some way it can show both ? Thanks Malevan (talk) 21:53, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

Hello Malevan, I expanded the citation on Thankful Villages so that for the few that had access to a hard copy of that edition of the newspaper they could still find it but for the rather larger number who had access online they could find it instantly. And while some links do go dead, web archiving generally means the info is recoverable.
There is a lengthy article here - Wikipedia:Citing sources with links to further pages (such as Wikipedia:Inline citation)- which will answer more questions than you can conceive. Nedrutland (talk) 07:34, 21 July 2016 (UTC) OK, thanks Malevan (talk) 19:35, 24 July 2016 (UTC)

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12th Royal Lancers[edit]

Hi - Do you have sources for the material you have added to the article on the 12th Royal Lancers. Quite a bit of the material you added seems to be unsourced. Thanks. Dormskirk (talk) 20:58, 23 August 2016 (UTC)

The material was carried over; citation from History of the XII Royal Lancers Stewart, Patrick (1950) now added.Nedrutland (talk) 21:51, 23 August 2016 (UTC)

Great. Many thanks. Dormskirk (talk) 23:00, 23 August 2016 (UTC)


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Gerard Noel (editor)[edit]

Thanks for your editing. I am missing some of his books. Are you able to find them all please?Zigzig20s (talk) 09:43, 5 October 2016 (UTC)

Nesta G. Ashworth[edit]

First, thank you for your helpful edits!

Second, I am amazed at your patience with your detractors above. I give them a cussing, then delete them.

Third, if we use British English, should we spell out her middle name, drop the period, or drop the initial altogether?

Fourth, I had no idea this morning how interesting she was, I was just filling in some Scouting redlinks. Turns out she's notable in at least 3 ways, and pivotal to the movement. You up for trying for the mainpage "Did you know...?" section?--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 09:27, 11 October 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for your comments.
Name; what form is she most known by? I would favour "Nesta Maude Ashworth" which is the name on her autobiography.
I would hope to improve it further but, at the moment, I am unsure if we could find sufficient reliable sources for a DYK? The same would go for her friend Rotha who led an even "more colourful" life.
Any idea for when she died? Nedrutland (talk) 12:50, 11 October 2016 (UTC)
I googled for an obit, came up with this teaser: and a pdf which I will zamzar then read.--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 13:34, 11 October 2016 (UTC)
I found her death in Victoria, BC on Findmypast Nedrutland (talk) 13:40, 11 October 2016 (UTC)
Text from the pdf: "The Crystal Palace Rally November/December 2008"--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 16:44, 11 October 2016 (UTC)
Boiled down into the article, and created a new one.--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 03:57, 12 October 2016 (UTC)

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Recent Edits in the Scott article[edit]

Maybe it's not so insignificant. There's an author who is reproaching righteous persons to have caused their deaths intentionally....-- (talk) 19:20, 26 November 2016 (UTC)

The book we talked about has been removed from the article, but it is still in the general list of books under the tag "Sourcers". Since it was me who removed it could you do the other job of removing it from that list? This would be great as this will look more like the consensus it is between several users... Plus it will save some people from wasting their time and money.-- (talk) 02:20, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

DYK for Free City of Danzig Government in Exile[edit]

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Article called "Controversies surrounding Robert Falcon Scott"[edit]

Dear Nedrutland,

I would like to inform you that I have made some (much needed changes) on the awful article "Controversies surrounding Robert Falcon Scott". (The article is still full of overbearing POV claims and personal attacks) As I will probably not be available the next couple of days to look after these edits, could you take over this (small) duty? The article is still a real mess, but let's defend these small changes, at least for the moment!

With kind regards and have a good time -- (talk) 02:09, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

Bass Excursions[edit]

Hi Ned, thanks for contributing, but I'm literally working on Bass Excursions at this moment, so getting am getting edit conflicts. It might be best if you waited until early afternoon and looked over it when I have finished editing. Comments always welcome! Picknick99 (talk) 11:45, 16 December 2016 (UTC)

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It was reverting obvious vandalism.Nedrutland (talk) 19:41, 14 February 2017 (UTC)
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