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March 2015[edit]

Hello, I'm ToonLucas22. I noticed that you recently removed some content from Dee Bradley Baker  with this edit, without explaining why. In the future, it would be helpful to others if you described your changes to Wikipedia with an edit summary. If this was a mistake, don't worry, the removed content has been restored. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thanks. ToonLucas22 (talk) 22:39, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

Reverting for no reason, pt. 2[edit]

In case you've missed the notification, see this. --Soetermans. T / C 15:27, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

@Soetermans: I hadn't seen that. Thank you for pointing it out to me. I did review your edit, and while I do feel like most of the changes you've proposed are unneeded, I can certainly let this go. I'd also like to mention that my number of edits to the FNaF pages are... well, a little irrelevant; there's no need to criticize someone for editing something they enjoy. Also those articles are targeted by vandals (A LOT, like seriously, it's sad), so stuff needs to get reverted frequently.
I've changed the first sentence to help remove the awkward wording that I mentioned in my edit summary - does this meet with your approval? NekoKatsun (talk) 15:35, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

Trouted[edit]

i have just read The Storms by Mike Trueman who coordinated the rescue on Everest in 1996 and I added this information to the film page for Everest and to Into Thin Air. I can't understand how this is seen as promotional given that it is totally relevant to both? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Highadventurer96 (talkcontribs) 23:15, 8 June 2015 (UTC)

@Highadventurer96: Great to hear from you! I reverted your edits because that book has very little to do with Into Thin Air or the upcoming movie - unless you have a reliable source that says otherwise, though I doubt it as the book was published after the movie's filming began. Honestly, and please accept this in good faith, your edits came across as very promotional - like you're the book's author, or the owner of that lone review (five stars, incidentally) on Amazon. I get how it could be seen as relevant to the 1996 Mount Everest disaster page, which is why I haven't re-reverted your adding it again.
Regarding the Into Thin Air page: is The Storms a direct rebuttal, as Boukreev's book was? Based on the book's description and the snippet I could read on Amazon, probably not. In that case, it doesn't belong on that page. You might be able to add it into the "further reading" section, though.
As far as the movie, production began back in 2013, so I seriously doubt that The Storms is being used as inspiration. As a matter of fact, the book's publishing date is close to a year after filming finished. NekoKatsun (talk) 01:25, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

I do not have a direct interest as you strongly suggest from either an author or publisher perspective - but I have read the book. I am also British and I presume the lone review you refer to is from the American Amazon site. I suggest you check out the UK Amazon site where the book is well established.

But most importantly I suggest you read the book before dismissing its relevance. I also have an interest in the 1996 storm and feel qualified to comment, because I was on the mountain in one of the teams - what do you base your knowledge on? It is one of the reasons I have read Trueman's book (as well as the others on the subject). My team received valuable support from Base Camp, and I felt when I read The Storms, that the package of information about events in 1996 is now probably complete.

In respect of the Everest film you will see, if you read The Storms, that Trueman coordinated the rescue in 1996 and worked with Guy Cotter at Base Camp, . This is totally relevant to film watchers as it gives them the facts. I didn't claim in my original edit that the film was based on the book - I simply stated that the book provided facts about what the film shows - the same as the other books quoted on the page. I can't see why it's publication date matters therefore because it simply adds to the facts.. Particularly since none of the other books describe the coordination efforts in detail which include three of the film's main characters Cotter/Wilton/McKenzie (sp

In respect of Into Thin Air I accept your edit.

Highadventurer96 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Highadventurer96 (talkcontribs) 06:34, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

You bizarrely seem to have gone full circle by now deleting all mention of books which give the background to the Everest film when even during your previous issues with "The Storms", you were content to keep mention of the other books in place. Clearly if the characters in the film are mentioned in books written about the disaster they must be relevant source material. The page relating to the film is currently sterile and fails to direct its readers to factual source material. This could well lead to filmgoers having to rely on the film's account alone rather than being able to compare the depiction with accounts written by this who were there at the time in 1996. Is there some obscure reason why you are seeking to restrict genuine, and "good faith" source material? Highadventurer96 (talk) 22:50, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

@Highadventurer96: Have you been following that page? The books were deleted by Sock on the 13th, with the edit summary "Cleaning up lead. The books are not sourced to be "based on" credits. Also, Kormakur didn't edit the film, Mick Audsley did. Various other fixes based on poster credits". The bolding is mine, for emphasis. Your reversion on the 17th undid literally everything that Sock did. When I undid that, stating that Sock has the right idea, you reverted my edit and called it vandalism. Please note that edits you don't like are not vandalism, and I don't much appreciate them being called as such.
Also, did you happen to notice the List of media related to Mount Everest link in the See Also section? I don't think anyone who sees the film is going to rely on the film's account alone.
I'm not seeking to restrict anything. I'm trying to help keep that page clean, so that every single published work about the '96 disaster doesn't end up there. If you can find a source saying that it's based on any of those books, by all means, please add it. At the moment a "based on true events" mention is the most appropriate thing.
Is there a reason you insist on reinserting those books instead of discussing it on the talkpage? NekoKatsun (talk) 22:55, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

I would also hope that those going to watch the film won't rely on the film alone but Sock, and tacitly yourself, having agreed with his edit, have removed the literary sources which the filmgoers can turn to seek facts from those who were there at the time. The list of books about Everest '96 hasn't changed since our last fire fight on the subject and given that I am not aware of any other books on the subject, it is unlikely to change - the books have happily sat there until Sock decided to move them. The reference to media related to Mount Everest is irrelevant - this is specifically about Everest '96 - as are the books which were previously there. I sense you see yourself as some grandiose editor who won't even listen to the views of a person who was there in '96. I politely ask for mention of the books to be reinstated. At least I will feel then that filmgoers who want to know more about the facts can be pointed in the right direction. Highadventurer96 (talk) 23:24, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

@Highadventurer96: Easy there, no need for name calling. How's this - I've added The Storms to the List of media related to Mount Everest, and I've also added a link to the 1996 Mount Everest disaster page in the See Also section for the film. This way, anyone who wants to learn more can visit the appropriate page, without the film's page becoming a list of media about the disaster. Does this meet with your approval?
If we can find a source from the filmmakers discussing their sources, then I'd be happy to add that in with specific titles.
This is slightly off-topic, but since you have a copy of The Storms and I don't, you might want to start a page about it. It sounds like a valuable addition to the narrative, but without a copy, I'm unable to start the page myself.
I am trying to listen to your views, though I admit to being upset at being called 'grandiose' and having perfectly legitimate edits called vandalism, and I apologize if I came off as rude or hotheaded. I am trying to work with you and assume good faith - please, do me the courtesy of returning the favor. NekoKatsun (talk) 16:00, 21 July 2015 (UTC)
As an update, Sock has just undone my edit adding the 96 disaster page to See Also. I've left them a message clarifying why I had added it and seeing if they could give us their opinion of our dispute. NekoKatsun (talk) 16:10, 21 July 2015 (UTC)

Citation needed tag[edit]

NekoKatsun, thanks for the citation template advice--Jcardazzi (talk) 17:23, 13 June 2015 (UTC)jcardazzi

Mount Everest[edit]

If it's a scientific fact that Mount Everest got shorter, give the direct scientific source. The CBS article had only one source - the very page you removed as the one that did NOT mention it. Le Grand Bleu (talk) 15:55, 16 June 2015 (UTC)

@Le Grand Bleu: That would be why I removed it; that source didn't mention it, and I certainly don't know how to interpret that data. The CBS article states that scientists are interpreting it to mean that Everest shrank. I've restored the edit and added another source from The Express Tribune, hopefully this is better? NekoKatsun (talk) 16:40, 16 June 2015 (UTC)
No, it's not better. You added another news source. I'm pretty sure if the tallest mountain in the world DID shrink, it would be a huge thing in the scientific world. Yet, the height of Mount Everest in all possible scientific sources remains the same. FYI, satellites cannot measure with accuracy of more than 10 cm, and mountain heights are measured in whole meters, not in cm. You can continue your war or find a proper source. Le Grand Bleu (talk) 16:47, 16 June 2015 (UTC)
Oh dear, @Le Grand Bleu: please calm down. I'm certainly not trying to war (you'll note that neither of us has broken 3RR yet). However, if all we accepted at Wikipedia was scientific sources, this would be a very sparse encyclopedia indeed. Are news sources reporting on preliminary data analysis not reliable? Are you also upset that the source saying there was even a quake at all is a news source? I've taken the discussion to the talk page, so hopefully we can reach a consensus. NekoKatsun (talk) 17:03, 16 June 2015 (UTC)

Mount Everest[edit]

Hi, thanks for your input on Mount Everest. I am just trying to get it updated for the probable rush later this year because of the film.. but much of the article dates from a decade ago. If you can add some content I think many would benefit. I tried to update with some data from the last 5 years but it is slow going. Thanks again. Fotaun (talk) 20:09, 23 June 2015 (UTC)

@Fotaun: Thank you! You're absolutely right, there will be a rush later this year from the film - I'm honestly surprised there wasn't more of a rush back when the avalanche happened this year. Sadly I don't have much time to add new information, but I can probably go in and copyedit/clean refs when I find a chance. I watch the page, so I've been tracking your edits, and it's so nice to see someone give it the attention it deserves. NekoKatsun (talk) 20:22, 23 June 2015 (UTC)

User talk:166.175.186.150[edit]

I notice you have been reverting the IP blanking their talk page. Aren't users allowed to remove warnings? Weegeerunner chat it up 21:46, 25 June 2015 (UTC)

Honestly I'm not sure; I noticed Yamaguchi先生 was reverting it as well and so I thought it'd be okay. Also, that IP was doing absolutely nothing useful, and I was concerned that they'd end up getting multiple sets of warnings if they were able to delete them. NekoKatsun (talk) 21:49, 25 June 2015 (UTC)
People are generally allowed to blank their talk page per WP:OWNTALK and such edits should generally not be reverted. Winner 42 Talk to me! 21:53, 25 June 2015 (UTC)
Okay, thanks. I've read through that now, and I appreciate the correction! NekoKatsun (talk) 21:56, 25 June 2015 (UTC)

Rollback[edit]

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Bravo[edit]

My thanks for being another of the voices of Wikipedia that edits "Our Lady of the Angels School Fire" to revert those who insist on putting the name of the UNCHARGED boy into the article. That boy is dead 10 years now (died at 54), but he has relatives somewhere, and his name does not belong in the article. Between you, I and Sonora, hopefully we can keep it out. Melos Antropon (talk) 00:50, 11 July 2015 (UTC)

@Melos Antropon: My pleasure! I went looking for references - ANYTHING that mentioned him by name - and nearly all of what I found was forum posts maligning him, his family, the 'system,' and everything in between. It's sort of the epitome of what doesn't belong here! NekoKatsun (talk) 17:35, 11 July 2015 (UTC)
But Melos, if there were an appropriate secondary source that gave his name, it could indeed be included in the article. You can't keep it out just because some people don't want it there; that's not how Wikipedia works. Incidentally, Sonorra is now deleting sourced information about the confession. ChiHistoryeditor (talk) 18:00, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
Also, my apologies NekoKatus, for debating this on your user page, but Melos doesn't participate in the article's talk page. ChiHistoryeditor (talk) 18:04, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
Hey, no problem. :) I did a cursory check for references, as mentioned above, and the only places I could find the boy's name were forum posts - clearly not appropriate sources. I agree, though, if an appropriate secondary source could be found, then his name could be included. Until then, I support keeping in only the sourced info that a boy confessed, but was not charged. NekoKatsun (talk) 18:23, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
Agreed--I've only ever seen the name(s) on message boards, etc., not in any sort of reliable print or electronic publication. ChiHistoryeditor (talk) 19:54, 17 July 2015 (UTC)

Thanks![edit]

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For continuing to edit and improve articles related to Mount Everest. Fotaun (talk) 16:09, 22 July 2015 (UTC)
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FNAF Editing[edit]

Why did you revert my change to the Five Night's at Freddy's page that stated that the fourth game took place in a home? Eatmorepies (talk) 02:56, 12 December 2015 (UTC)

@Eatmorepies:: as I stated in my edit summary, it's mentioned later in the same paragraph. Your change made it sound like all four games had the player as a security guard at different locales (which isn't right). Please reread that section of the article, I think you'll see what I mean. NekoKatsun (talk) 03:12, 12 December 2015 (UTC)

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Not enough people use the 'edit summary' field, and finding someone who uses it with such personality as you is a rare treat! :D NekoKatsun (talk) 21:08, 7 January 2016 (UTC)

Gosh darn, I never got one of those before. How kind of you. We'd both rather edit than eat, I figure, but it's a nice notion nonetheless. – AndyFielding (talk) 08:57, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

Death of Aaliyah[edit]

Thanks for the heads up on the typo which I've fixed. I tend to go through and edit and save one section at a time and then do a final check using Word, so I hope I would have caught it. I am doing this edit for the GOCE which has a drive on now to reduce the number of articles tagged to be copy edited for one reason or another. I appreciate your thanks! Twofingered Typist (talk) 20:08, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

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Scott article reverting of edits.[edit]

You have reverted a number of edits I made to the scott article that were originally innacurate

Firstly Atkinson did not set of for Hut point with dogs on 13th February and pause there on 19th February. The distance from Cape Evans to hut point was 13 miles it would not take a team of dogs 6 days to travel 13 miles. He both set out and reached hut point on the 13th February and was held up there by bad weather until the rescue of Evans. Tom Crean arrived at hut point on 19th of February and Atkinson resuced him during a break in the weather

[1] the relevant passage from South with Scott explains it thus.

Chapter XVII paragraph 6

What actually happened was this. Stores were landed by those at the base station on the re-arrival of the "Terra Nova," and Atkinson, who was the senior member of those not now returning in her to civilisation, took over the dogs according to Scott's directions. He proceeded to Hut Point with Dimitri and the two dog teams on 13th February, and was kept in camp by bad weather until 19th, when Crean reached the Hut and brought in the news of my breakdown and collapse at Corner Camp. A blizzard precluded a start for the purpose of relieving me, but this expedition was undertaken immediately the weather abated. It was only during a temporary clear that Lashly and I were rescued.


The idea that Cherry-Garrard had "never handled a dog before" seems to be another invention of the Author Roald Huntford.

I gave a citation to the passage in South with Scott where Teddy Evans remarks that Cherry-Garrard and Atkinson where considered to be the expert dog drivers amongst the expedition after Meares and Dimitrov. [2]

Chapter V

Scott and Wilson got their hands in at dog-driving now, as I did occasionally myself. Nobody could touch Meares or Dimitri at dog-team work, although later on Cherry-Garrard and Atkinson became the experts.

Constantly reverting edits just because you don't like people making edits is vandalism.

Hi there IP; I reverted your edits because they were ungrammatical and because you didn't provide this source. Please provide a source when you edit Wikipedia, and please also ensure that your edits are readable. You also need to assume good faith, familiarize yourself with what's vandalism and what's maintaining article readability, and sign your posts on people's talkpages. NekoKatsun (talk) 16:52, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

Scott quote[edit]

Hi NekoKatsun. I see you reverted my edit to Controversies surrounding Robert Falcon Scott ("perfom" to "perform"). The quote is referenced to the book by Evans which says "perform". Do you have a ref showing the original wording misspelt? Just asking - I am not going to pursue this any further myself. Regards Orenburg1 (talk) 16:05, 23 August 2018 (UTC)

I did do a cursory search but am far more inclined to rely on the Gutenberg files you linked (and thank you for that!), so I believe you're absolutely right. I'll revert myself now; thanks again! NekoKatsun (talk) 16:10, 23 August 2018 (UTC)

Please see this[edit]

Regarding your edit to All Nippon Airways Flight 58. While the information you want to keep in is probably correct, it probably violates the Original Research policy if it does not have a source. Please check out this discussion: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Aviation/Aviation accident task force/Archive 6 #Willy waving. Don't worry, I made the same mistake as you before. funplussmart (talk) 16:31, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

Ah, fair enough. Thank you! I appreciate it! NekoKatsun (nyaa) 16:36, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
Yep. I tried doing the exact same thing as you did (i.e. put in "this is the 2nd deadliest..."), and I got a link to that exact discussion when they got reverted. It really clears up a lot. funplussmart (talk) 16:43, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

A cup of coffee for you![edit]

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I am in fact a tea-drinker, but I very much appreciate the gesture! NekoKatsun (nyaa) 18:02, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
  1. ^ http://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/18129/pg18129.html
  2. ^ http://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/18129/pg18129.html