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Thanks, Homey.

Yeah, I couldn't stay away for too long. I'm going to try and concentrate more on content and less on whacking vandals. Of course, a good vandal-whacking once in a while couldn't hurt.  :) --PMDrive1061 (talk) 18:03, 12 August 2010 (UTC)


Hi Neutralhomer - I was wondering how you got the timestamp to be customized on your sig - I'm thinking of doing something similar - could you give me some tips? Thanks. Connormah 18:12, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

Right, thanks! Connormah 18:26, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

Stephens City, Virginia

Tweaked the prose and left comments at the FAC. I hope to support after those issues are resolved. Cheers, Dabomb87 (talk) 16:17, 13 August 2010 (UTC)


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Thanks you

Neutralhomer, thank you very very much for this kind gesture. I never met you before, why did my name occur to you and why did you choose specifically me for today? ShahidTalk2me 14:19, 14 August 2010 (UTC)


If you use, the signature method described there, than you should change it, because according to WP:SIG#NT, the transclussion of templates or User:Neutralhomer/Sig is forbidden. Armbrust Talk Contribs 23:42, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

I have permission from an admin to use it that way. No worries. :) - NeutralhomerTalk • 00:00, 15 August 2010 (UTC)


I see it just passed.--Wehwalt (talk) 13:57, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

My congrats as well. Well earned. Connormah 18:28, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

Mine too. I have to say when you first started talking about taking the article to FA, I didn't think it would happen. I underestimated your dedication and perseverence.--Kubigula (talk) 03:56, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

Well done! Congratulations! Acroterion (talk) 04:00, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

My congratulations too! Way to keep at it, Ruhrfisch ><>°° 12:11, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
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Given with respect and admiration to Neutralhomer on the occasion of Stephens City, Virginia becoming a Featured Article. Keep up the good work, Yours, Ruhrfisch ><>°° 03:49, 17 August 2010 (UTC)


Where does it say that all radio stations are notable? This is interesting to know. Suomi Finland 2009 (talk) 19:50, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

Please see WP:NME. Also there is the precedence set of several AfDs that radio and television stations are notable. - NeutralhomerTalk • 20:20, 15 August 2010 (UTC)


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I think I'm back...

Sorry about the overreaction, but that whack job scared the living whee out of me. I have the info I need to make this stop and with any luck, we won't be hearing from him again. Thanks as always for the kindness. Owe you a big one. --PMDrive1061 (talk) 15:07, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

I don't think it was an overreaction, I think you reacted in a way that anyone of us would have. But I am glad you are back and hope you can put a stop to that person's harrassment and vandalism. That needs to stop. Hopefully your local police department can figure out something as well. Most states have bureaus of computer techs for computer harrassment and crimes and I think this fits the bill. Have your local PD look into it. Just take things slow at first here on Wiki, let others handle some things. Welcome Back, Sir. Glad to have you back. :) - NeutralhomerTalk • 15:16, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, Homer. Nice to be back among some quality folks like you. I've e-mailed my local law enforcement, but I haven't heard back yet. I'm going to contact YouTube and get that account wiped out and then I'm going to contact the police and library departments in the vandal's area. Seems he doesn't have a computer of his own and almost all of his edits are from the same library IPs. And yes...I plan to lay low for awhile. That was just too jarring an experience. --PMDrive1061 (talk) 15:20, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

Totally understandable. I still have your pages on my watchlist, so I will watch them for any problems, as will alot of people. I would just do some minor gnome-ish editing, get lost in editing an article. Trust me, that can happen. I lost myself in an article for over two years, took it to FA yesterday (Yes!). So, there is much you can do without being "seen". - NeutralhomerTalk • 15:23, 16 August 2010 (UTC)


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Congrats on the FA star for Stephens City, Virginia. Your hard work, persistence, and determination carried the day. Finetooth (talk) 16:18, 16 August 2010 (UTC)


So, in looking up data for a potential religion section, I noticed at that in very small letters it says "Tables represent county-level data" underneath the citation for the Glenmary Research Center. For Kent I checked three additional municipalities in the same county and they used the exact same numbers that were on the Kent ones. I highly doubt they all have the same percentages (especially in light of the other demographic differences), so I'd probably say take it out of the Stephens City article since it isn't the actual percentages of who goes to what in Stephens City; it's for Frederick County, so any other town in the county will have the exact same numbers. One of the reasons I hesitated to write a religion section was because the data was so incomplete and I lacked the actual Glenmary study (which I broke down and bought today) to write a proper paragraph to go with. It's also one of the problems with city-data; often a lot of their data, especially for smaller cities and towns, seems to be county-wide data. I don't know what you want to do with that info, but it is what it is. Sorry to put a wet blanket on the FA status, but I think all of us missed the "county level" notice on that source. --JonRidinger (talk) 23:41, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

Did you buy the data for just Kent or the entire US? If you get the entire US, I could bum the data from you, still sourcing Glenmary and have actual Stephens City information. I will do some checking on the information I have and get back to ya. I don't want to pull anything just yet. - NeutralhomerTalk • 23:49, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
I bought the entire published study, which includes the 500+ page book, maps, and CD-ROM all for $15.00. I'm sure they're trying to clear out the old. Anyway, once I get it I will let you know all of what it has. I'm worried, though, it won't have specific town-level data. As it stands now, the source from city-data (which is simply repeating the Glenmary stuff) is for Frederick County, not Stephens City, so the religion section isn't really accurate for the actual article subject (same lines as citing county-level election results: the only time you would cite county or state level data is to compare/contrast with local data). When I was putting it into the religion section I was writing (before realizing it was county-level data), I combined the two sources into one since sourcing city-data isn't necessary when also sourcing Glenmary since all city-data does is use the Glenmary study. Use the city-data link for the url section and for publisher put "Glenmary Research Center via". --JonRidinger (talk) 00:08, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
Yeah, I sourced Glenmary first, then City-Data second, but that works too. I looked, in a poor attempt to hope you were wrong. You weren't. I have emailed Wehwalt to see what he thinks, but I am going to guess he will say delete it, just like you said, which is what I would do as well. If it appears after you receive the information from Glenmary that it is town/city level, then it can be corrected and added back, but for the time being, it probably has to go. - NeutralhomerTalk • 00:20, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
I wouldn't delete all of it. Instead, expand the info about what churches are in Stephens City and those that are near it that likely consider themselves a Stephens City congregation. That's what I did in my yet-to-be-published religion section for Kent, Ohio, using some church websites, but also histories of Kent which include sections on the various religious groups. That way you can still convey the general religious feel of the town, just not the specific statistics for the time being. I will definitely let you know about any data I find. --JonRidinger (talk) 02:31, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
I might do that. Wehwalt is offline for the night apparently, so I emailed HJ Mitchell and had to post to SandyGeorgia's talk page, so it is out in the open now. But either way, I can work it, it will work. Just would like to keep those stats. They kinda tie the section together with the church information in the second paragraph. We will see what they say and what the TPSs say as well. - NeutralhomerTalk • 02:39, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────Well, one possiblity is deletion. The other is retain it, note it is for Frederick County, and mention historic churches in Stephens City, as Jon suggests. Do not panic or start berating yourself. I've had FA's pass with absolute howling mistakes that no one caught. We are imperfect beings. And no, they're not taking the star back. The good faith you are showing now will be repaid with trust next time you run a FAC.--Wehwalt (talk) 02:59, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

Okie Dokie. I will do kind of a borrow from the Kent article, I think all the churches in town have sites, so I could probably pull information from them and Stephens City has that "Churches" page on their town website, so I can use that and incorporate it into the revised "Frederick County" stats and go from there. I will slap something together in my sandbox and if you are still online, push it past you for a read-through and once-over, if you don't mind. Thanks for the encouragement, sometimes I need it. :) - NeutralhomerTalk • 03:05, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
Well, you aren't even borrowing from the Kent article as it hasn't been added yet :). I do think it's best this way and the stats can be included in the Frederick County article where they are more accurate (though at 10 years old even that isn't a given!!). Of course, as soon as I get the actual study they'll probably release the 2010 version. As far as sources, the only church-specific ones you would need are ones that mention facts about a given church (like history). Other than that, the general source will do just fine for a paragraph section. --JonRidinger (talk) 03:19, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
Oh, and don't worry about the FA status of the article. It would take an additional review to get it demoted and for something as easy to correct as this it won't happen :). --JonRidinger (talk) 03:22, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
  • What I thought was going to be a full rewrite, turned to be some slight tinkering. Give a look-see here and tell me what you think. Tinker at will. - NeutralhomerTalk • 03:52, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
See what you think with what I did. Where specific denominations are known, I used those instead of the general "Methodist" or "Lutheran" since the specific churches are more accurate and the various movements or synods within a particular denomination can vary greatly. For instance, Trinity Lutheran is part of the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America, so I put that in; same with using United Methodist Church (though I used "Methodism" in the mention of the first Methodist church since the UMC didn't exist yet). The same is true for using Catholic Church instead of just Catholic. Just FYI, when you "name" a citation (so it can be used later in the article), you don't need to put the name in quotation marks. Let me know what you think! --JonRidinger (talk) 04:26, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for catching that extra "a"...too much cutting and pasting! --JonRidinger (talk) 04:28, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

Sandbox PR

Working hastily, I'd say the first paragraph looks fine. I'd suggest rewriting the first sentence to avoid the "with plus -ing" construction and the repetition of "organized". Later, instead of tacking the Unitarians on with another "with", I'd consider making a separate sentence: "Just south of the town limits is a Unitarian Universalist church". Hope this helps. Finetooth (talk) 22:52, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Peter Stephens (pioneer)

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One that has color and is written in cool text. - inka 888 (talk) 03:39, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

If you have ever seen mazca sign pages similar to that text and Inka in bright green and 888 in black. inka 888 (talk) 03:46, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
keep green and black maybe if the text is changed a little bit? inka 888 (talk) 03:52, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
when i put that code you gave in my prefrences it does not transform it into a signature. User:Inka 888‎ (talk) 04:12, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
for example it signs as the signature above —Preceding unsigned comment added by Inka 888 (talkcontribs) 04:14, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
i did that just now and it is still messed up User:Inka 888‎ (talk) 04:19, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
would you know why it is still like that —Preceding unsigned comment added by Inka 888 (talkcontribs) 04:26, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────it says it is an invalid raw signature. <font color="#228b22">[[User:Inka 888|Inka]]</font> <sup>[[User talk:Inka 888|888]] (talk) 21:36, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) You'll need to check the "treat the above as wiki markup" box. GiftigerWunsch [TALK] 21:37, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
Thanks GW :) - NeutralhomerTalk • 22:06, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
i'm sorry it was a pilot error. Thanks for helping me. Inka 888 22:09, 23 August 2010 (UTC)


Thanks for the award! - Parkwells (talk) 19:58, 25 August 2010 (UTC)


You are so good at wikicode. Would you mind giving me a sort of refresher course on how to use the stuff? I've forgotten a bunch of it after taking my three week wikibreak. Mr. R00t Talk 21:15, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

First Church

I'm looking over the Religion section at Stephens City, Virginia and am a bit confused after looking at the source on Orrick Chapel. It seems to indicate that even the first Orrick Chapel wasn't the first church building in Stephens City as it mentions another Methodist Church on page 3 ("Stephens City Methodist Church on the west side of Main Street between Filbert and Locust Streets.") Plus, Orrick Chapel was the result of segregation in the early Methodist Church and was the black congregation while the other Methodist church was the white congregation. The text made it look like the Methodist congregations were one in the same. Is Orrick simply the oldest surviving church building in town? It doesn't appear to be the first one. --JonRidinger (talk) 08:12, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

See, this is where things get confusing. Orrick remains standing, since the 1860s. Stephens City UMC was built in 1910 probably in the same location of the old Stephens City Methodist Church. You can see a picture of the UMC church in Commons. The Methodists developed a "church" in Stephens City in the 1790s, but as far as I know, the first actual church building was Orrick from the 1850s (first building). If I am wrong, please let me know. - NeutralhomerTalk • 08:25, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
I am reading on the Stephens City UMC website and it appears I am wrong. The "Methodist Episcopal Church of Stephensburg" was founded and built in 1790. They call it a "meeting house". But is that a technical "church" or just a meeting house? - NeutralhomerTalk • 08:32, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
If they built a place a worship, then that would qualify. Many religions call their buildings a "meetinghouse" to distinguish it from "church" which is an ambiguous term that can mean a building, congregation, or even the larger organization. I'm guessing Orrick is the oldest church building in town now and found it hard to believe that a group was already there since 1790 and didn't have a building of their own for some 60 years. --JonRidinger (talk) 18:17, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
I actually thought the Quakers only called their churches "meeting houses", guess I was wrong. :D I will update that with some sources here in a bit. Gotta run to town and will update when I get back. - NeutralhomerTalk • 20:41, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
Updated. Give a look-see. :) - NeutralhomerTalk • 08:26, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

Thank you

Neutralhomer, thank you so tremendously much for all you do for Wikipedia and for bestowing upon me such a wonderful honor. After nearly five years of contributing to Wikipedia, it's always gratifying to have someone take notice of my efforts. Thanks again! I think I'll celebrate this honor with a triple grande soy latte at Starbucks, but not before I finish my latest article ;) --Caponer (talk) 12:24, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you very much for the kind words and the honor. It was a nice and unexpected surprise to find on my talk page, and I will display it joyfully. Finetooth (talk) 16:55, 28 August 2010 (UTC)


Stephens City, Virginia - just saw that is an FA and will be a TFA. Congrats! And on such a small town. You guys actually still have a drive in? Not many of them left. RlevseTalk 20:43, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

Hey Rlevse, thanks, that was the culmination of 2 1/2 years of work. Many people helped with that. It was a big push to get it through GA, FA and now TFA. As Wehwalt put it, "the Second Battle of Stephens City ends not with a bang, but with a giggle". Mine was more like a giggle, laugh, sigh. :)
On the Drive-In, yeah, it is still there and operating tonight! You can see some pictures and information on the place here. The Kopp Family that owns it, owns another Drive-In in near Raleigh. The Drake Family owned it before the Kopp's, so it has always been a family owned business and to my knowledge (though I couldn't source it) only the Drakes and the Kopps have owned The Family Drive-In Theatre. - NeutralhomerTalk • 20:50, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
Congratulations on the promotion of Stephens City, Virginia to FA. I know you put a lot of work into that article.   Will Beback  talk  00:00, 30 August 2010 (UTC) was the culmination of 2 1/2 years of work by myself and about 20 other people. From GA, to FA, to now TFA, it is a big sign of relief. Now I just gotta figure out what to do next. :) - NeutralhomerTalk • 00:10, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

Re: DYK question

Hmmm. The rules for DYK are at Wikipedia:Did_you_know#Selection_criteria and generally the article has to either be new or expanded 5-fold within the past 5 days of the DYK nomination being made. It is possible to exapand an article in a sandbox in user space, then move the expansion to article space (the clock starts once the move is made). Dincher and I did this with Ricketts Glen State Park recently. I kind of doubt if this would work for your article as it was expanded over a lot more than 5 days. You might want to ask on the DYK talk page - it is pretty active and I imagine you'd get a consensus answer pretty quickly. The fact that the article will be TFA soon - Wikipedia:Today's featured article/September 5, 2010 - might well work against you though - congrats by the way on the TFA! Ruhrfisch ><>°° 03:13, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

It isn't something that has to be done, just something I was wondering about. It was the only place the article hadn't been. But with the article having 18K characters and 5x that being 94K, I don't see it happening. It's cool, just something I wanted to see if it was possible. Thanks....NeutralhomerTalk • 03:42, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
We got Ricketts Glen from 10 kB to 45 kB, plus it was ready for FAC, at which point the DYK folks invoked WP:IAR (not quite 5x was good enough). I agree it is hard to see how you could expand a FA 5x, since presumably it already has most things it needs in it. Ruhrfisch ><>°° 04:32, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
Yeah, it is pretty well jammed packed. If the folks at DYK went IAR on Ricketts Glen, I might ask about Stephens City, cause since 2007, it has come a long way from a sub-stub. I won't hold my breath about it getting anything, but it is worth asking. - NeutralhomerTalk • 04:41, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
It can't hurt to ask, though I would be (pleasantly) surprised if the did ignore the rule. Another possiblity is April Fools DYK - those get put in a holding pen and only have to have been expanded since the last April 1. Ruhrfisch ><>°° 12:18, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

Article on my Userspace

Today I have completely edited this article with citations wherever it is possible. I want to know your opinion on the work. Empty buffer and the other also left WP. I hope you are there to help me! Pathare Prabhu (talk) 05:30, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

How to Make Userboxes

I like the userboxes that you created. Could you tell me how make user boxes. Thanks Inka 888 03:00, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Well, it really depends on what you want in them. You normally use the same general layout (so all boxes are the same size) and then you pick colors. Use List of colors (in alphabetical) and Web colors (grouped by color) for the color codes. Then you just put in the information you want into the code and go nuts. But be careful, there are boxes already made for most subjects, so see Wikipedia:Userboxes/Gallery for all the userboxes currently in use. There are others, but those are about 85% of them. Also, if you need something made, just let me know. I can made it for you. - NeutralhomerTalk • 04:05, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Can you make one about interests example: "this user really likes the boondocks tv series". with a picture of a character. Inka 888 02:35, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

I would imagine the characters are all copyrighted, and WP:FAIR USE images are not allowed in userboxes. Ruhrfisch ><>°° 03:03, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
There is the current: User:UBX/Boondocks. If that doesn't work, I can make one, let me know. :) - NeutralhomerTalk • 03:13, 2 September 2010 (UTC)


Would you be able to take a look at Exelon Pavilions and comment on the peer review here? It is a fairly short article and TonyTheTiger and I are about ready to take it to WP:FAC, but would like to get some feedback from others first. Thanks in advance for any help (and no problem if you aren't able to do this). Ruhrfisch ><>°° 03:02, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Thanks so much (and my that was fast). I am working on another (you guessed it) PR right now, and will reply tomorrow, but wanted to thank you right away. Ruhrfisch ><>°° 04:07, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

WWMX removal of DJ list

I don't know why you removed this list, but when you make such a major change you should discuss it on the Talk page FIRST before doing so. Maybe YOU don't find it useful but most of the other editors/readers do. I have restored the list, and if you think t should not be there, go to the Talk page and explain your reasons FIRST before censoring it. ---- Theaveng (talk) 03:52, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

WP:NOT#DIR does not apply in the case of discussing TV or Radio or other Media personalities that are a *major* feature of the production. Otherwise, we would have to go-round deleting all the lists of actors' names from shows like Star Trek or CSI or whatever. ---- Theaveng (talk) 04:11, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
Sorry; when the topic is even minimally related to "lists of former employees" at media operations, I can't resist commenting. WP:NLIST is fairly straightforward on 'lists within articles' in regard to these matters: "[...] Inclusion in lists contained within articles should be determined by WP:Source list, in that the entries must have the same importance to the subject as would be required for the entry to be included in the text of the article according to Wikipedia policies and guidelines (including WP:Trivia sections). Furthermore, every entry in any such list requires a reliable source attesting to the fact that the named person is a member of the listed group." Also, in my opinion, Theaveng's analogy, that abiding by this sort of approach would necessitate "deleting all the lists of actors' names from shows like Star Trek or CSI or whatever", is a faulty one. Because WP:VERIFY is so essential; insofar as a Wikipedia reader *must* have some hope of being able to determine the veracity and relevancy of the material they're reading besides taking everything on "faith"; we are fully expected to provide them with the ability to do so. The method for doing so can vary (consensus has already agreed with that) but it should take the form of either a typical footnote attached directly to a reliable reference *or* minimally; if the material is in the form of list of people's names, a pre-existing article for that person, thus permitting the average reader some ability to have the entry substantiated. See Uw-badlistentry [1]. In the case of performers in series' like Star Trek or CSI; it's fairly obvious that all of them would already have (or should have) existing articles to support their appearance in the list. I'm not sure the same is true if we're talking about people who have formerly worked at TV or radio stations at one point in their lives. Simply being on-air talent at a station (now or in the past) isn't a guarantor of "notability" according to our policies; that's something that often gets forgotten. cheers Deconstructhis (talk) 05:41, 2 September 2010 (UTC)


Thanks for your prompt response I would like to arrange my page as yours or Connormah. I do not wish for my user page after spending all these hours to be vandlized or even edited. Thanks Dr eng x (talk) 07:36, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Your online status

how can i get that for my page? RedBlue82 talk 22:58, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Exelon Pavilions/archive1

Feel free to comment at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Exelon Pavilions/archive1.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 23:12, 3 September 2010 (UTC)


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When you made my signature how did you do that. I want to know so in the future i will know. Inka 888 22:53, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

It was a series of WikiCodes. As you learn more about Wikipedia, you will pick up more and more on the WikiCoding used here. - NeutralhomerTalk • 22:57, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
There is not a page that explains it. Inka 888 23:00, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
(talk page stalker) Homer's signature is really just HTML and CSS; unfortunately that can be rather complicated for those who haven't used it much. GiftigerWunsch [TALK] 23:03, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
Giftiger is right, that is why you really need to learn about it over time, as I found there isn't really a page that discribes WikiCode very well. I would also recommend trying editing for awhile. Not everyone who starts out needs a flashy signature and such. - NeutralhomerTalk • 23:06, 4 September 2010 (UTC)


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Congratulations again! Acroterion (talk) 03:00, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

Thanks! It was alot of work, but I am very proud it is up there. I have other topics related to the town to cover and a friend wants to work on the Shenandoah Valley article, so that is in the works as well. :) Thanks again....NeutralhomerTalk • 06:52, 5 September 2010 (UTC)
Well, I'm proud of the good work you did. The northern Valley has lots of places and events that can be researched and polished, so I don't think you'll run out of things to do. Acroterion (talk) 15:10, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

revision delete

Could you delete this this ? I don't know whose it is but it probably shouldn't linger around indefinitely. tx (talk) 07:36, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

I requested it for deletion and it appears it has. Thanks for bringing it to my attention. - NeutralhomerTalk • 07:40, 5 September 2010 (UTC)
Oops, I thought you were an admin or I'd have asked someone else. But it looks like both of the diffs I entered above still work and show the stuff. (talk) 07:58, 5 September 2010 (UTC)
No worries, anyone could help on that with the RFO link being manned 24/7, it was taken care of in under 2 minutes. I looked at both links, they are showing RevDel'd. Try refreshing your browser (FF is Crtl + F5), that should show the updated version. Glad I could help and don't hesitate to message again if you see something like that or just need some help. I can track down an admin or take it to RFO quickly. Thanks again for heads up. - NeutralhomerTalk • 08:04, 5 September 2010 (UTC)
Tried ctl-f5 and cleared all browser caches and I still see it. It might be getting served from squids instead of mediawiki since I'm not logged in. I guess it will go away sooner or later. (talk) 08:08, 5 September 2010 (UTC)
Both are gone now. Thanks for the help. (talk) 08:12, 5 September 2010 (UTC)
You're quite welcome :) - NeutralhomerTalk • 08:18, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

what i said at ani

Please read the current comment instead of revising an old one that got screwed up. About the mentor, i don't need a mentor i can take care of my own problems. Inka 888 15:35, 5 September 2010 (UTC)
Also you did make make the signature that i'm currently using (created the code) same thing. Inka 888 19:21, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

Good Wikipedian of the day

Good call on Susanne2009NYC, she is doing a steller job, Sadads (talk) 22:01, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

my talk

I did it made little to no sense. Also you lied at ANI you created the code for the signature that i am using currently. Inka 888 04:16, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

It didn't if you had read it like I had. You have repeatedly said that, but fail to understand, I never said that I did or did not give you the signature, just you had requested it. Can't lie about something I never said. Now...if you are going to turn this into a pissing match, you can take your leave from my talk page. But if you want help, you will listen to what others, as well as myself, are trying to tell you, calm down and relax. - NeutralhomerTalk • 04:31, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
(talk page stalker) Edits like this[2], despite the "facts"[3], demonstrate to me that he is far from ready to use Rollback. Jus' sayin'... Doc9871 (talk) 04:59, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
Gotta agree with you on that one. I am beginning to have my doubts about this user. Things just aren't adding up and too many weird edits and weird actions. - NeutralhomerTalk • 05:02, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
Attempting what help I can, FWIW. Cant hurt trying, and perhaps that enthusiasm will be put to better use in improving use of TW and editing in other fashions. I have also suggested the user request a mentorship. RobertMfromLI | User Talk 05:06, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
I did as well, but that was met with this statement. So I don't look for that to happen, but I hope I am wrong on that one. - NeutralhomerTalk • 05:12, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
It is a discouraging statement, as is the one just two threads above here where he states, "About the mentor, i don't need a mentor i can take care of my own problems." So it's not just you, Neutralhomer. Hopefully he'll be more "receptive" to RobertMfromLI... Doc9871 (talk) 05:19, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────Yeah, I hope he is as well. I have all but walked away from the situation at this point. If the user wants my help, I am open to helping, but I don't see it happening at this point, so it is probably better left to other users and me just watch from the sidelines. - NeutralhomerTalk • 05:25, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

A Response

I am not sure if you are a moderator. If not, you have no business commenting on the situation. If you are, then I feel you are overreacting. I thought I was in sandbox mode. Is one accident worthy of threats? As I have said before, you should ask a user what is going on before threatening them with blocks. - Andyjoe7and8 (talk) 04:03, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

I assume your response means you are not an admin. As I have said to the other party involved, you are promoting a very unfriendly wikipedia. Accidentally changing one number in a year, or one word (when an inexperienced user thinks they are in sandbox) is not vandalism. As a representative of wikipedia, you should be nicer to users. If you feel this is vandalism, you should report it to an admin, not act on it yourself. - Andyjoe7and8 (talk) 04:11, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
I am getting very tired of this. I have been here a while, but I log on about once every few months. I am still trying to navigate the website. I barely edit. Can't you and the other one involved just give a guy a break. Ask a user before assuming the worst. - Andyjoe7and8 (talk) 04:15, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

Deletion opinion

When you get a chance, could you check out this article for deletion? It needs some more eyes and I'd definitely like to see some additional opinions. --JonRidinger (talk) 05:05, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

On my way. - NeutralhomerTalk • 05:08, 7 September 2010 (UTC)


Hey Homer, just checking to see if you're doing alright. Now go outside and enjoy the weather! Drmies (talk) 18:31, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

Until about 10 minutes ago, I was sleeping. Battled insomnia until about 11am then crashed, woke up at 11pm, cause my cat was having a fit (he wanted some attention, so I woke up) and will probably crash again soon. Gets me back on a regular sleep schedule. I am normally a big night owl. :) Otherwise, all is good. :) Take Care...NeutralhomerTalk • 03:23, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

Thank you

You made my day. (pun intended) KimChee (talk) 10:34, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

New compooter!

Tell you what: It was definitely no fun not having me a compooter these last three weeks or so. So, time allowing, I can now pop by once in awhile to see what's going on. Saw you were online; thought I'd say howdy.  :) --PMDrive1061 (talk) 18:11, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

Hey Dude, was wondering where you had went to. Yeah, I was without my computer (it bonked out on me) for 11 hours and it drove me insane. I had to reset to 2003 specs. That was horrible enough, but being without a 'puter for 3 weeks, I would have went insane. Glad you are back online. :) Take Care...NeutralhomerTalk • 00:10, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
Got one heck of a deal from a friend who was getting ready to sell some surplus machines from his business. Wound up with an Apple iMac for practically bupkiss. --PMDrive1061 (talk) 00:15, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
That's a good deal. :) Normally Macs run up in price. Personally, I am a Windows guy, though I was teethed on a Mac, so I could use both. I just don't go to Mac cause some of the programs I use aren't Mac friendly like Digsby. - NeutralhomerTalk • 00:18, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
I've always been a PC guy as well, but I wasn't about to let this deal go. It's less than three years old and I got it for a bit of cash and some side work for the company. I would have paid more for a new cheapie PC. It was basically an e-mail terminal for the office manager, so the software needed updating. Man, I can't believe how fast this thing is! --PMDrive1061 (talk) 00:30, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
Yeah, I have heard that Macs are super quick, add Firefox to it and you are just plain zooming. I have had my Dell PC since 2003 and with the exception of that glitch back in 2009, I haven't had any problems *knock on wood*. - NeutralhomerTalk • 01:15, 9 September 2010 (UTC)


Regarding the above user, I'm inclined to agree about your assessment on my talk page. However, you can't be sure with 100 percent certainty, so a level of WP:AGF should probably be applied. I personally don't see anything wrong with his edits, aside from the stalking accusation and the talk page comment removal. Falcon8765 (TALK) 21:21, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, was at the doctor (all is well) and didn't get to see everything through. From what I have seen, the constant back and forth edits (the user is beyond 3RR at this point), I believe the user is nothing more than a troll and his edits are just to jerk people around. I will be signing off soon, so I will leave things in the hands of you all. - NeutralhomerTalk • 00:08, 9 September 2010 (UTC)


The FAC finally closed. What a relief. Thanks for your support! --JonRidinger (talk) 02:09, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

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RE: This edit [4] I have two issues: 1) manual of styles says not to use bolding in cases like this. [5] and 2) is there a source to support the claim? Active Banana ( bananaphone 21:58, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

Answers: 1) that is how we do things at WP:TVS and WP:WPRS and 2) yes, there is. - NeutralhomerTalk • 22:01, 9 September 2010 (UTC)


I have started a thread at WP:ANI about your comments on my talk page titled Neutralhomers refusal to get the point. Inka 888 01:50, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

Friendly still? Talkpage edits?

Hiya Neutralhomer, just letting you know that Inka 888 has been spending their effort using Friendly to add welcome messages (that let new users know they can contact Inka for help). I did leave a polite message advising more personal Wikipedia experience should probably be gained before offering to help others.

But anyway, I was just wondering whether (that aside) Inka should be doing this: User_talk:Kalakold (and) (or this: User_talk: - check history... I cleared an inappropriately given warning on that one).

Anyway, I'm trying to do a quick check to see if there's other things that need cleanup. Curious if someone should replace the welcome templates as well...

Best, RobertMfromLI | User Talk 03:11, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

I've tried (suggesting a mentor, acting as a stand in). Inka has been very polite with me, but also indicated he will do what he sees fit (worded as a polite apology if he does not take my advice). Forwarding to Xeno. Thanks, RobertMfromLI | User Talk 04:14, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

Xeno's talk page

I'm a little confused as to what you meant by shot down on Xeno's talk page, maybe explain? Inka 888 03:23, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

Provide a diff, I see no use of the term "shot down". - NeutralhomerTalk • 04:15, 10 September 2010 (UTC)


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Status: Online

One more question, if you dont mind. Been looking for the "Status: On/Offline" thing and dunno where it is. Would appreciate it if you could point me in the correct direction. Thanks, RobertMfromLI | User Talk 04:19, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) here, methinks. sonia 04:32, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
That's the other application, but I use Template:Statustop. Either one can be added to your account, just not both. :) - NeutralhomerTalk • 04:36, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
Sonia and Neutralhomer: Thanks, to both of you! Best, RobertMfromLI | User Talk 05:06, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

A cookie...

...Or rather, a bribe. o/ ResMar 01:26, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

When you have a minute...

...Would you mind adding colourful hidey boxy type things to the admin stuff and who am I sections of my userpage? I just need someone I can trust not to meddle with the rest of it and you were the first stalker who came to mind! ;) HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 18:39, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

Sure, you just need a drop down box like what is normally on my userpage (see User:Neutralhomer/Content for example). - NeutralhomerTalk • 20:53, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
Yeah, but wider and more colourful! ;) Btw, I like the userpage tribute. Very fitting. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 21:05, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
Got a particular color in mind? Thanks, I borrowed that from User:Wolfnix. - NeutralhomerTalk • 21:09, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
For the moment, I left it in the orange (since you appear to be away), just let me know what background and text color you want it in and it will be done. - NeutralhomerTalk • 22:13, 11 September 2010 (UTC)


I already talked with an admin over the issue. The WCHA (AM) is a proper naming convention for radio stations, esp ones that have similar call letters to other radio stations and organizations. The copy/paste move late last night was me not thinking to get an admin's help with the move. B/c another editor created an improper redirect page WCHA (AM) going to the wrong article. This move frees up WCHA for a redirect to the Western Collegiate Hockey Association (commonly called the WCHA) or a disam page. Bhockey10 (talk) 21:13, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

I'd rather just have a redirect straight to the WCHA hockey page. Major sports leagues and college athletic conferences mainly go by their abbreviation. National Hockey League=NHL, National Football League= NFL, etc... A disambig page would be second best, we can always redirect for now and put a discussion on the WCHA's talk page. Bhockey10 (talk) 21:19, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
Also, I'm not just pushing any article around or anything reguarding WP:OWN, just trying to better organize articles and reduce messes like all the WCHA stuff was before the moves... For now I redirected WCHA to the hockey article, but one thing that was missing on that page was a for tag on the top, "For the radio station in Chambersburg, Pennsylvania, see WCHA (AM)." Hopefully that all helps readers find the articles, reduce confusion, and flow between them easier Bhockey10 (talk) 21:30, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
What are you talking about!? "never be a straight redirect..." A disamb pages works but a straight redirect is much more suitable. See: WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, a google search and looking at the history pages will both show the primary topic. Bhockey10 (talk) 22:06, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
The radio station is not the Primary Topic. If you read WP:PRIMARYTOPIC you will see that. The only one causing an edit war is you!! Bhockey10 (talk) 22:19, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
Woah!! who said ANYTHING about favorite! I don't see how i'm violating WP:OWN. And you keep reverting my edits so the only one causing the edit war is you. take it to an Admin I have nothing to hide.Bhockey10 (talk) 22:25, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

At first glance, I'd say a dab page is best as that seems to be the solution we use for other radio stations whose call signs are the same as an acronym in use elsewhere. However I see on Talk:WCHA (AM) that this debate has been played out before and decided in favor of the acronym going to just the radio station. So I'm sorry, but I am not sure enough to have a firm opinion here and don't want to involve myself in the debate. I don't think the page should be redirected to the hockey association however, even if it is the most common use. Soap 22:38, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

IP Freely...

Ummm... yeah.,,, All the same user? This is a probable... Doc9871 (talk) 22:32, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

Yes, those are all me. My address has been jumping around because of ISP problems. I noted that in a couple of places (example) but haven't been terribly rigorous about it in cases where it hasn't seemed either obvious or unnecessary. I like to hope that all my editing is at a high standard regardless. If Doc9871 or anyone else has a problem with any of my edits, I am open to specific criticisms as any editor should be. Otherwise I'd like for Doc9871 to stop hounding me. (talk) 00:11, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
Here's how you "get around" the ISP problems: register. Your editing is at a high standard, but you are looking like IP socks. Possibly of an administrator. That's a "problem". Don't expect to IP hop and not catch some "attention" for it. Jus' sayin'... Doc9871 (talk) 00:56, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
I'm feeling harassed by this. If you have a concrete complaint about something backed by evidence, feel free to bring it up in the appropriate venue. Otherwise stop hassling me. I edit this way because I like it, and you're going to just have to live with that. (talk) 07:06, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
"Hassling" you? You accuse me of "hounding" you because I've noticed your IP movements. Concrete complaints are probably forthcoming; but I'm still figuring out "who you are". Don't feel harassed, as I've no intention of "stalking" your edits. Edit away: and I promise I won't "adversely affect" your contributions here. You are an excellent and knowledgeable editor, and you have "free reign" in this issue. Cheers... Doc9871 (talk) 07:30, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for my own day!

That is sooo sweet! :D Heres a furry friend to keep your kittens in line! --WolfnixTalk • 05:09, 16 September 2010 (UTC)


Thanks for the day! :) It makes me feel all warm and fuzzy. :) And happy to be here. --User:Woohookitty Disamming fool! 05:11, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

Please get off my case

In many regards you have no idea what you are talking about and are way too emotional. --Inka888 02:52, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

Stop talking to me --Inka888 03:00, 19 September 2010 (UTC)
Inka 888, you do realize that (a) we're just trying to help you get to a point where you can constructively help in this area you seem so interested in, and (b) that Neutralhomer is correct.
If you dont like getting messages about actions you performed that were wrong, then you need to slow down and be more careful. Otherwise, you will get those messages. I guess Neutralhomer could have simply reported your bad reverts and improper warnings to an admin. I guess he could also have started an RfC/U suggesting that undo and revert be removed from your account as well. I guess, all in all, his efforts to politely point out your mistakes was a much nicer route.
Anyway, my response (had it been me) would have been "Ooops, thanks for pointing that out. I'll go fix it and apologize to those I warned" - and that has happened to me in the past. Maybe only three times in near a thousand reverts... but nonetheless, my response to someone pointing out a mistake I've made is always the same. I hope one day, you too can take such constructive criticism with as much aplomb. Best, ROBERTMFROMLI TALK/CNTRB 03:28, 19 September 2010 (UTC)
What Neutralhomer is doing is harrasment. Inka888 03:32, 19 September 2010 (UTC)
And what you are doing is not listening to, or not understanding, what you've been told, and screwing up much too often. If you can't slow down and do these relatively simple tasks correctly, then this is not the place for you. So get your act together, or I guarantee you that someone will block you, regardless of your opinion that WP:CIR is not a crtieria for blocking. Beyond My Ken (talk) 03:40, 19 September 2010 (UTC)
Sorry you feel that way (but it's not harassment). But, again, every action such as the ones you are doing, is open to review by the entire community. If you make a mistake, it will be pointed out. If you do not like that, then perhaps this is not the place for you. I am not trying to discourage you from using Wikipedia and contributing in whatever fashion you deem most suited to your interests. I'm just reminding you that with every action, there is a consequence. If you do great work, you'll get praised. If you make a mistake, other editors will politely point it out to you. Since you are trying to learn as well as get back to a point where you may once again have access to Twinkle, and possibly Rollback at a later date, I'd be happy for whatever feedback you get.
And again, if he was trying to harass you, he could have simply reported your actions to an admin. This is a community. If you (or I) make a mistake, then someone has to clean it up, and let you know. Simple as that. He was very polite in his wording, and very (IMHO) correct in his suggestions. Do you have any idea how many people review each and every action I make? There's a quite a few of them (and a lot of them are admins; probably due to the number of CSDs I file, and the number of users I report to UAA). Sometimes it's been contructive criticism, other times, it's been thanks for a job well done, and other times, it's been pointing out mistakes I may have made. But like I post on my user page, I WELCOME such. I wont get better at what I do here without others reviewing my actions, or letting me know when I have made a mistake. So, get used to it and dont take it personally. Best, ROBERTMFROMLI TALK/CNTRB 03:41, 19 September 2010 (UTC)
If you read the top of WP:HA that is what Neutralhomer is doing, if you notice he is the only one commenting on my mistakes and he majorly overreacts to a every thing; since he is the only one commenting on it and he comments pretty quick after it happens it seems to me that he is somehow stalking all my edits. Inka888 03:48, 19 September 2010 (UTC)
I respectfully disagree, and do not believe he has violated that rule. In addition, various other people have also commented on your mistakes. You simply removed them from your talk page. If you would like, I can pull up the versions of your talk page from before you deleted them to prove it. So, please, next time you plan on making such an erroneous claim, keep in mind that regardless of whether you delete things from your talk page or not, they will always sit there in your page history for all to see. Best, ROBERTMFROMLI TALK/CNTRB 03:52, 19 September 2010 (UTC)
I see what is happening here. Inka is slinging mud. He messes up, yet again, and when it is pointed out, he slings mud at whomever calls him on it, that being me. First I am "overracting" and "emotional", then it is "harrassment", now it is "stalking". Inka, you made a mistake, you screwed up. Own up and move on. Stop blaming everyone and their brother to get out of it. We have been here alot longer and know the rules and what should and shouldn't be done. You still need to learn that. - NeutralhomerTalk • 03:53, 19 September 2010 (UTC)
I know it will stay in the history I personally don't like to look at unpleasent things so thats why I removed it. Inka888 04:02, 19 September 2010 (UTC)
No, he's trying to help. He wants to help. He is not the only one commenting on your mistakes. That's why he doesn't hesitate to try to help you, and that sometimes calls for telling you that you've made a mistake. If you think the messages you are getting are unpleasant, please address them; then, they'll stop coming in. Airplaneman 04:17, 19 September 2010 (UTC)
Ok I will work on my mistakes. Inka888 04:26, 19 September 2010 (UTC)
Thank you. That's all (or most of) what we're asking. Best, ROBERTMFROMLI TALK/CNTRB 04:33, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

My day

Thank you for my day! Now if only I could get Hallmark to make a card for Kubigula's Day...--Kubigula (talk) 04:28, 19 September 2010 (UTC)


Any (kind) words of advice for me for User:Inka 888?--intelati(Call) 04:57, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

Best person for advice on mentoring is User:Kubigula. He was my mentor. He probably could give you the short version of being a mentor. You could also look at WP:MENTOR for some more information.
The best advice I can give is lead the person by being there for their questions, but not being afraid to tell them if they mess up. There is a fine line there, you just have find it. You can't be too easy on them or too hard. The former, they walk all over you, the latter, the rebel. It is that fine line. If you have questions, find an admin to help, plus I am normally available. Good luck - NeutralhomerTalk • 05:03, 19 September 2010 (UTC)
Thx--intelati(Call) 05:05, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

Banned user posting at ANI

Hi Homer, I hope you don't mind but I removed the thread started by a banned user on ANI as I think it would be best to WP:RBI to avoid feeding the troll. I saw the message originally on an admin's talkpage and reported it to my friendly neighbourhood admin, but the IP had already been blocked for vandalism (probably since they decided to announce themselves on a few high-profile pages). I don't think a rangeblock is feasible unless we have an idea of what range will be effective anyway, which we can't determine from a single IP. GiftigerWunsch [TALK] 23:04, 19 September 2010 (UTC)


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Please review something for me...

Hi! I've just written a little guide and set of expectations for the new editors who have chosen me as their mentor, and am hoping you can review it and provide some feedback on it's talk page to let me know what you think before I pass the link on to them. It is located here: User:RobertMfromLI/Adoptees. Thanks, Rob (ROBERTMFROMLI TALK/CNTRB 21:23, 20 September 2010 (UTC))


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The mellow

I didn't mean to harsh your mellow. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Incredibly Obese Black Man (talkcontribs) 03:56, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

Wiki Historian N OH

He's at it yet again. I've opened another sockpuppeting entry here [6], but do you suppose it'll be possible to salt the articles he's creating so as to prevent recreation? It doesn't seem like there will ever be any legitimate content going into them. KaySLtalk 04:27, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

Okay, thanks much. KaySLtalk 04:36, 21 September 2010 (UTC)


a Little late on the draw there bud. :D Thanks anyway. --intelati(Call) 04:28, 21 September 2010 (UTC)


The Page or the userfiyed version?--intelati(Call) 01:15, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

It's actually The Stink Bug for a CSD Practice, Guess what Inka Failed that one. G1 instead of A10--intelati(Call) 01:17, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
It duplicated a subject so A10.--intelati(Call) 01:20, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
We ALL learn something every day.--intelati(Call) 01:22, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
Yup... reminds me I need to keep an eye on the deletion log as well, then weigh if the current contribution overcomes the original deletion rationale. I just learned something new, thank you. :-) ROBERTMFROMLI TALK/CNTRB 01:30, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you for the kind acknowledgement of my work. It put a smile on my face today.4meter4 (talk) 22:50, 24 September 2010 (UTC)


this was quite poor form. Not just the fact that he's been recently indef blocked as a sockpuppet, but that his talk page history is full of warnings from other editors that he erased. You really ought to look into editors a bit more before declaring them "awesome wikipedians", lest you cheapen and demean the awards you've already issued. Jclemens (talk) 04:54, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

I think that's a bit harsh, Jclemens. NH has presumably worked with the editor elsewhere and did not realise the latest developments. Strange Passerby (talkcstatus) 05:03, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
OK, let me explain how my process works. I have a little post-it note on my desk with names. About a week and a half in advance, I go through their contribs and see if they meet my specifications: working with others, working in rewarding areas like DYK and others, keeping their noses clean, etc. If they do, they get on the list and get an award as their name comes up. That last one specification, "keeping their noses clean" is something I take seriously. When I checked on User:Are You The Cow Of Pain?, he hadn't gotten any warnings yet and had only received one block for 3RR (we all goof up). When I seen the block, I rescended the award quickly and gave it to another user. You are right, I should check before posting the award to make sure things haven't changed in the week or so I last checked. I am new to this "Today" award thing, so I am learning. - NeutralhomerTalk • 19:48, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for your explanation. Indeed, none of us is perfect, and my apologies if my query sounded a little aggressive--most of the folks who've gotten awards I've seen as an entirely different caliber than this now-unmasked sock. Jclemens (talk) 19:56, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
No worries. :) This has shown me I need to do a better check on people before issuing the award, which I will do starting tonight. I will check for warnings and recent blocks. Take Care...NeutralhomerTalk • 19:58, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
(talk page stalker)He had a history of removing all negative notices from his talk page without response. Airplaneman 20:13, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
I had noticed that, but just passed it off, but it did raise an eyebrow. I should have looked closer. :S - NeutralhomerTalk • 20:25, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

Exelon Pavilions thanks

Northwest Pavilion.jpg <font=3> Thanks for your peer review and support for Exelon Pavilions, which is now a Featured article, and for all you do on Wikipedia!
.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) and Ruhrfisch ><>°° 20:29, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
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You all are quite welcome. Please let me know if I can be of assistance in future PRs or FACs. Congrats! :) - NeutralhomerTalk • 20:42, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

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Thanks for the day! I'll try my best to enjoy it! Smallbones (talk) 14:34, 27 September 2010 (UTC)


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5 Albert Square's Day

Thank you! --5 albert square (talk) 20:50, 29 September 2010 (UTC)


Hey thanks for the recognition. Its good to know there are some people on this that support my edits. Strafidlo (talk) 04:22, 1 October 2010 (UTC)


The featured list was quite an undertaking and wouldn't have made it without input from several contributors and editors of which I was just one. Like the Columbia River article, this was a real team effort. Finetooth (talk) 04:35, 3 October 2010 (UTC)


I think I would disagree with you on this one. But I would also note that an admin has no special expertise in what is effectively a content dispute.--Wehwalt (talk) 20:56, 3 October 2010 (UTC)


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Thanks muchly for AWA


Hi Neutralhomer,

Thanks for the Awesome Wikipedian Award. Very kind of you. I had seen this here and there previously and wondered where it came from and how it was determined, so now I know! Must take you a bit of time to chase up each day. Cheers, --jjron (talk) 14:01, 6 October 2010 (UTC)


Yeah, I saw that. I'm not sure what to do about it either — especially for Canadian stations, there simply isn't another alternative out there, because the Industry Canada database is structured in a way that makes it virtually unusable for our purposes (whereas American ones still at least have the FCC queries.) It may be the case that all we can do is hope and pray that the outage isn't too long, and then restructure the templates as needed when it does get back online.

That said, maybe we should look into whether there's a way we can temporarily hide the templates without having to manually comment them out on each individual article, so that they'll be invisible during the outage but can be easily reactivated once the site comes back up. Bearcat (talk) 20:30, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

Could I get your opinion please....

Hello again Neutralhomer; quick question. Could I get your opinion on the "Syndicated programming on KTBS" section in the KTBS-TV article. It seems to me that this is exactly the kind of "scheduling" presentation we're expected to avoid; but I learned awhile ago that the world of television station articles can be a convoluted one. How does this stack up in your mind? cheers Deconstructhis (talk) 23:36, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

It is and I have deleted it per WP:NOT#DIR. If you see anymore instances of that, please feel free to do the same. Good catch! :) - NeutralhomerTalk • 23:47, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for the tip; I'll keep my eyes open. cheers thanks again Deconstructhis (talk) 23:51, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

Interesting stuff

Hi, Neutralhomer.
I've seen these your messages [7] about Kwamikagami's misuse of admintools [8] [9] [10] [11].
An admin has seen that also [12].
We have problems with him also. Pages Croatian grammar (see Talk:Croatian grammar), Croatian language (Talk:Croatian language)... Look who protected the page(s) [13] at, would you believe it, at someone's PPOV version, and blocked the opponents of his version [14]. Kwamikagami finds himself more competent to talk about the particular language (he doesn't speak at all), than the maternal speakers themselves. Kubura (talk) 23:47, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

Awesome Wikipedian

thanks very much, appreciate it. keep up the good work! Tom B (talk) 10:01, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Re: New NRHP Listing in Shenandoah County, VA

Saw your question for Acroterion. I'd suggest one of two possibilities:

  1. It's only a state designation; note that the URL doesn't say anything about "National"
  2. It's been officially nominated for the Register, but not yet officially added by the NPS

A better source for recent listings is, the official NPS updates page; each week, a link is added with a list of that week's new listings. Nyttend (talk) 18:06, 12 October 2010 (UTC)


Thank you for the Awesome Wikipedian barnstar! 28bytes (talk) 19:30, 16 October 2010 (UTC)


Too easy to mistype on iphone.--Wehwalt (talk) 01:52, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

No worries, I was about to ask "what do I do?" when you corrected. 'Tis cool, I have done that before on my PC. :) - NeutralhomerTalk • 01:57, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedian WikiElves category

Hello, I saw your post on Wehwalt's page by coincidence while replying to another topic. You may want to read up at WP:User categories for discussion/Archive/January 2008#Category:Fantastic Wikipedia editors as there has been a history regarding this issue. If may be more productive for you to raise the issue again at WP:User categories for discussion if you strongly believe in this. KimChee (talk) 05:49, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. I am currently considering my options and will probably make a decision on what to do later on in the day today. Take Care...NeutralhomerTalk • 06:17, 18 October 2010 (UTC)


I can't help you. I don't IRC, etc. (BTW - thanks for your help and notes on my talk page.)   Will Beback  talk  08:40, 18 October 2010 (UTC)


Thanks for the awesome wikipedian award. It is much appreciated. :) Green Giant (talk) 13:44, 19 October 2010 (UTC)


I was using friendly not twinkle. It says TW because of the merge. Inka888ContribsTalk 21:20, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

It was talked about a while back in this thread Inka888ContribsTalk 00:23, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

wp:broadcast discussion removal, and AfD radio stations

Hey, I think that the essay at WP:BROADCAST, if it is going to be the basis for notability in terms of radio stations, should be clarified - and that is why I suggested something there. Though it was inspired by my frustration at the AfD, I recognize that in the end, it is a community, and the community decides how things work.

The essay could be reworded to either prevent further nominations like mine, that waste time of everyone - either by providing an explanation about why FM radio articles are subject to different rules outside of the significant coverage in multiple, reliable sources as set out in the general notability guideline; or, yes, by ruling many of them to be not-notable. I had no intention of going on a 'mad nom spree' or whatever you suggested when you closed it in what I would consider bad faith.

Frankly, I do not think a station being included in a database at the FCC or CRTC should be considered enough to meet GNG, despite the level of the source (the reliability of which I do not dispute). I just don't think it constitutes multiple sources, which is clearly stated in the notability guideline on which the essay at WP:BROADCAST is based - and as such, I think that the precedent and the essay should be changed. I recognize that as a member of Wikiproject Radio stations, you probably disagree - and I am open to being convinced otherwise, but so far I don't see any actual argument other than this is how we do it here. -Addionne (talk) 01:44, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

Thanks again

Hello Homer, thank you for the vandalism cleanup on my talk page; as always it's sincerely appreciated. cheers Deconstructhis (talk) 13:30, 21 October 2010 (UTC)


Hi Homer, I'm sorry if you think I was vandalizing the KUBD-LP page. I was posting facts and what is there is pure fiction. I am the broadcast engineer who was hired to install the KUBD-LP transmitter and I am the one who removed it several years ago. It NEVER had any programming of any sort on it and was NEVER on the air. (BTY I also maintain all TV transmitters in Kodiak on channels 2, 7, 9 and 15.) Regards, Joe Stevens, PO Box 628, Kodiak AK 99615 907-942-3737 WL7AML —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wl7aml (talkcontribs) 22:20, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

Talk Page

Are you using Internet Explorer?

I'll add that notice that the page isn't compatible with IETalkcintelati 04:08, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

Nope, I use FireFox Version 3.5.14. I will check in IE, stand by. - NeutralhomerTalk • 04:27, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
Granted, I was using the IE addon for FF, but it seemed fine in IE as well. - NeutralhomerTalk • 04:30, 23 October 2010 (UTC)


Quadzilla99 (talk) 13:55, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

wtop-am 1500 history

Hi, my concern is that people looking for the 20th century history of WTOP-AM, a major 50kw outlet in the DC area for decades, will come to the disamb. pg and not know where to go from there (I didn't). Doesn't seem unreasonable to give them a cue. No biggie. -Steve —Preceding unsigned comment added by Stevegrubb1 (talkcontribs) 14:51, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

my day

yeah, thanks, I'm honestly cracking up. Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 > haneʼ 04:20, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

Your talk page...

...looks like [this] (I use FF). ~dee(talk?) 19:13, 27 October 2010 (UTC)


No wonder he's been blocked so often, and that's just this year. RlevseTalk 01:28, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

Indeed. I have made GWB aware of it since Ryan is MIA. He is on the same track that got him indef blocked in the first place. If GWB can't talk some sense into him, then as the unblocking admin, he can handle him. There really is no reason for his attitude and that massive chip (shit, the whole damned tree) on his shoulder. - NeutralhomerTalk • 01:35, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
Who is GWB? RlevseTalk 01:39, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
LOL...oops, I meant GWH. My goof! :) - NeutralhomerTalk • 01:43, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
A. (For the record) I blocked him briefly earlier this month, not unblocked him. East718 implemented the community unblock discussion. That said, however...
B. While Roux was being rude, there were a couple of hard (to the point of NPA violation) pokes at him in all this tonight, and that was clearly not at all OK. I warned Roux, but not first, and not strongest.
C. Neutralhomer - I don't blame you for what you did here, but it failed to calm down the situation, and that's not great. Can you leave him alone for a while and report him to me or ANI if he does something else you feel is problematic?
Georgewilliamherbert (talk) 09:38, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
I did try to calm the situation with the "let it go" posts, but I guess I failed at that. I will leave him alone since you are now watching, but I don't believe the chip on his shoulder will be gone that quickly. To be honest, I don't know what he has to be P.O.'d about. - NeutralhomerTalk • 12:43, 31 October 2010 (UTC)