User talk:Nick Moyes

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I have unreviewed a page you curated[edit]

Hi, I'm Onel5969. I wanted to let you know that I saw the page you reviewed, The Child (Doctor Who audio), and have un-reviewed it again. If you have any questions, please ask them on my talk page. Thank you.

Onel5969 TT me 23:42, 10 May 2018 (UTC)

Portals WikiProject update, 25 May 2018[edit]

We have grown to 79 members.

Please provide a warm welcome to our latest additions, Wpgbrown,, JLJ001, and Wumbolo.

A lot is going on, much of it on the WikiProject's talk page, so be sure to go there and join in on any of the many discussions taking place there.

Elsewhere around the portal project, or related to portals, the following is happening...

New news template ready for testing[edit]

Evad37 has created a new template, with supporting lua module, to handle news in portals...

{{Transclude selected current events}} is ready to be tested in some actual portals. Let Evad37 know if you need help with the search patterns.

Noyster commented that "This is the best portal innovation since sliced bread!"

See the relevant discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Portals#Alternative to Wikinews.

Thank you, Evad.

Coming soon: Automatic article alerts (but there is a glitch)[edit]

Our WikiProject is now subscribed to the bot that makes automatic article alerts, but the subpage where they are posted has not been added to our WikiProject page yet because of a weird problem...

Featured portal nominations from two years ago keep popping up on there.

Please check Wikipedia:WikiProject Portals/Article alerts to see if you can figure out how to fix this.

Once that is remedied, it will be posted on our WikiProject page.

Thank you.

Note that, this will only track base pages, because to track the rest, we'd have to create over 140,000 talk pages for the subpages, and that just isn't worthwhile (as we're trying to remove the subpages anyways). Therefore, any alerts for subpages will still need to be posted manually.

New portal, still needs work[edit]

Drafting a new portals guideline[edit]

Your input/editing is welcome on the draft-in-progress of a new guideline for portals.

See or work on the draft at User:Cesdeva/sandbox11.

See also the discussion at: Wikipedia talk:Portal guidelines#RfC on new portal guidelines

RfC on new TOC layout for main portal list[edit]

There is a proposal to change the look of the table of contents at Portal:Contents/Portals.

See: Portal talk:Contents/Portals#RFC on layout update.

Deletion discussion survivors[edit]

Thank you to those who have participated in portal deletion discussions. There are still some editors out there who despise portals, and this comes across in their argumentation style. Wow. Such negativity. But, there is some good news...

Current deletion discussions are posted on our WikiProject page.

Portal space clean up[edit]

While portal detractors are trying to get rid of portals via MfD, we have deleted many of them via speedy deletion (per {{Db-p1}} or {{Db-p2}}). Essentially, they were bare skeletons, with maybe a little meat on them. The plus here is that speedy deletion is without prejudice to re-creating the portals. They can easily be restarted from scratch without getting approval, or be undeleted by request by someone willing to work on them. We have kept track of these, for when someone wants to rebuild them. They are listed at Portal talk:Contents/Portals#These are not listed yet.

We are also removing subpages, the functions of which have been migrated to portal base pages. To see which ones have been removed, look for the redlinks in our watchlist.

There is also an MfD concerning some of these at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Redundant subpages of the Cornwall portal.

For subpages that need to be deleted, you can conveniently place this speedy deletion template at the top of each of them:

{{Db-g6|rationale=of subpage clean up – this subpage's function has been migrated to the portal base page and is no longer needed}}

Then an admin will come along and delete them.

Please help list the unlisted portals![edit]

There are still 100 existing portals not yet presented on the main portal list at Portal:Contents/Portals. There were 400, so we've come a long way. Thank you! But we are not done yet...

Please list a couple of them. Every little bit helps. If each member of this project listed one more, it would almost all be done. Many hands make light work.

The list of missings, and instructions, are to be found at Portal talk:Contents/Portals#These are not listed yet.

I hope to see you there!

Wrapping up[edit]

These developments make up just the tip of the iceberg. I'll have more to report in the next update, soon.    — The Transhumanist   00:32, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

Your thread has been archived[edit]

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Hi Nick Moyes! You created a thread called AFC: Dhruv Prashant Patel at Wikipedia:Teahouse, but it has been archived because there was no discussion for a few days. You can still find the archived discussion here. If you have any additional questions that weren't answered then, please create a new thread.

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A barnstar for you![edit]

Original Barnstar Hires.png The Original Barnstar
I think almost a year since you encouraged me on that first dyk. Thank you...I've had an amazing year Whispyhistory (talk) 23:45, 6 June 2018 (UTC)

Hey, Whispyhistory. Thank you so much; it's really great to hear from you. Yes, I've watched your commitment and contributions to Wikipedia skyrocket since this time last year. (If I'm honest, I take a little pride in feeling I've helped you a tiny bit along the start of that route.) It is fantastic to see a new editor like you become a competent and increasingly productive contributor here. Wow, so many DYKs since that first one, too! Brilliant stuff.

Last year I took early retirement, and since then I've found myself more and more fascinated and involve in the maintenance of the encyclopaedia. So my own productivity in articles has rather fallen somewhat. I've also dabbled with adopting another less experienced editors, and when I have time I would quite like to see if it's possible to turn WP:AAU around into supporting committed new editors, rather than those who come for just a few weeks to create one article, as many have, before leaving. Recently, I've been pondering whether to put myself forward to be considered as an admin, but still feel after all this time I have a lot more yet to learn. I found assisting at the Teahouse a very rewarding way to share editing skills with newcomers who have questions, whilst also learning from others when I can't answer something myself. Maybe you might find that of interest, too, someday? Best wishes, Nick Moyes (talk) 00:13, 7 June 2018 (UTC)

I think you have the perfect attitude and intelligence for administration. The learning curve is never-ending. Keep in touch. Whispyhistory (talk) 05:35, 7 June 2018 (UTC)

Recent Geology Article Reviews[edit]

Zircon 2 (talk)16:36, 21 June 2018 (UTC) Nick, Thank you so much for taking the time to review some of my recent geology articles. You have a very fascinating career between your curator and climbing endeavors and I appreciate the time you've taken to read over these articles. Stay tuned! More to come on US, European and Asian geology as well as expansions on at least some of the existing articles with new source material I'm finding.

Also a technical question that I also posed to Justlettersandnumbers. Is there something I can do with SEO or categories to make sure that the Wiki articles I started on African and North American geo topics turn up in general web searches?

Hi Zircon 2. Or is it Zircon? (you seem to have set the wrong username in your signature. I think you need to fix that). You're welcome - it's a pleasure seeing interesting, technical articles being created. I don't have huge geological knowledge myself (though I did create this hands-on display on my county's geology some years ago.) As for SEO -I'm not sure what problem you're seeing. What I see is a top ranking return for Wikipedia pages that you've started and that have been reviewed at WP:NPP -e.g.  Geology of Sudan. (currently ranking 2nd and 3rd). I'm sure you know that unreviewed pages don't get indexed by Google unless they've gone unreviewed for something like 3 months. You should also give search engines time to find newly reviewed pages, too. Perhaps you might like to read WP:SEO for some of the problems editors encounter when trying to improve rankings. Feel free to suggest page names that you're bothered about (WRT SEO) and I'll take a look at them for you. Any way - keep up the good work! Regards from the Mercia Mudstone of the English Midlands. Nick Moyes (talk) 01:20, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

Portals WikiProject update #010, 30 June 2018[edit]

We've grown to 94 participants.

A warm welcome to dcljr and Kpgjhpjm.

Rating system for portals[edit]

We are in the process of developing a rating system specifically for portals, as the quality assessment scheme for articles does not apply to portals. It is coming along nicely. Your input would be very helpful. See the discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Portals/General#Proposed new quality class assessments.

Better than a barnstar[edit]

One of our participants got involved with this WikiProject through interest in how the new generation of portals would be handled in WP's MOS (Manual of Style). It didn't take long before he got sucked in deeper. This has given him an opportunity to look around, and so, he has made an assessment of this WikiProject's operations:

I'm quite frankly really impressed and inspired by what's happening here. If you'd asked me a year ago if I thought portals should just be scrapped as a failed, dragged-out experiment, I would have said "yes". This planning and the progress toward making it all practical is exemplary of the wiki spirit, in particular of a happy service-to-readers puppy properly wagging its technological and editorial tail instead of the other way around, and without "drama". It's also one of the few examples I've seen in a long time of a new wikiproject actually doing something useful and fomenting constructive activity (instead of acting as a barrier to participation, and a canvassing/ownership farm for PoV pushers). Kudos all around. — SMcCandlish

Congratulations, everyone. Keep up the great work.

Slideshow development[edit]

We've run into a glitch with slideshows: they don't work on mobile devices.

Initially, we will need to explore options that allow portals to have slideshows without adversely affecting mobile viewers. See Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Portals/Design#Mobile view support.

Eventually, we may need another way to do slideshows. If we do go this route, and I don't see why we wouldn't, then (user configurable) automatic slideshows also become a possibility.

TemplateStyles RfC passed[edit]

Once implemented, this will allow editors to create and edit cascading style sheets for use with templates. This will expand what we can do with portals. For more detail, see mw:Extension:TemplateStyles and Wikipedia:TemplateStyles.

Automation effort[edit]

We've run into an obstacle using Lua-based selective transclusion: Lua is incapable (on Wikipedia) of reading in article names from categories. Because of this, we'll need to seek other approaches for fully automating the Selected article section. We are exploring sources other than categories, and other technologies besides Lua.

Speaking of using other sources, the template {{Transclude list item excerpt}} collects list items from a specified page, or from a section of that page, and transcludes the lead from a randomly selected link from that list. Courtesy of Certes. So, if you use this in a portal, and if the template specifies a page or section serviced by JL-Bot, you've now got yourself an automatically updated section in the portal. JL-Bot provides links to featured content and good articles, by subject.

What is "fully automated"? When you create a portal using a creation template, and the portal works thereafter without editor intervention, the portal is fully automated. That is, the portal is supported by features that fetch new content. If you have to add new article names every so often for it to display new content, then it is only semi-automated.

Currently, the Selected article section is semi-automated, because it requires that an editor supplies the names of the various articles for which excerpts are (automatically) displayed. For examples, look at the wikisource code of Portal:Reptiles, Portal:Ancient Tamil civilization, and Portal:Reference works.

So far, 3 sections are fully automatable: the introduction section, the categories section, and the Associated Wikimedia section.

Where is all this heading?[edit]


Or some other name.

Eventually, the portal department will be a software program. And we won't have to do anything (unless we want to). Not even tell it what portals to create (unless we want to). It will just do it all (plus whatever else we want it to do). And we will of course give it good manners, and a name.

But, that is a few years off.

Until then, building portals is still (partially) up to us.    — The Transhumanist   13:33, 30 June 2018 (UTC)

Tech News: 2018-27[edit]

00:46, 3 July 2018 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – July 2018[edit]

News and updates for administrators from the past month (June 2018).


Administrator changes

added PbsouthwoodTheSandDoctor
readded Gogo Dodo
removed AndrevanDougEVulaKaisaLTony FoxWilyD

Bureaucrat changes

removed AndrevanEVula

Guideline and policy news

  • An RfC about the deletion of drafts closed with a consensus to change the wording of WP:NMFD. Specifically, a draft that has been repeatedly resubmitted and declined at AfC without any substantial improvement may be deleted at MfD if consensus determines that it is unlikely to ever meet the requirements for mainspace and it otherwise meets one of the reasons for deletion outlined in the deletion policy.
  • A request for comment closed with a consensus that the {{promising draft}} template cannot be used to indefinitely prevent a WP:G13 speedy deletion nomination.

Technical news

  • Starting on July 9, the WMF Security team, Trust & Safety, and the broader technical community will be seeking input on an upcoming change that will restrict editing of site-wide JavaScript and CSS to a new technical administrators user group. Bureaucrats and stewards will be able to grant this right per a community-defined process. The intention is to reduce the number of accounts who can edit frontend code to those who actually need to, which in turn lessens the risk of malicious code being added that compromises the security and privacy of everyone who accesses Wikipedia. For more information, please review the FAQ.
  • Syntax highlighting has been graduated from a Beta feature on the English Wikipedia. To enable this feature, click the highlighter icon (Codemirror-icon.png) in your editing toolbar (or under the hamburger menu in the 2017 wikitext editor). This feature can help prevent you from making mistakes when editing complex templates.
  • IP-based cookie blocks should be deployed to English Wikipedia in July (previously scheduled for June). This will cause the block of a logged-out user to be reloaded if they change IPs. This means in most cases, you may no longer need to do /64 range blocks on residential IPv6 addresses in order to effectively block the end user. It will also help combat abuse from IP hoppers in general. For the time being, it only affects users of the desktop interface.


  • Currently around 20% of admins have enabled two-factor authentication, up from 17% a year ago. If you haven't already enabled it, please consider doing so. Regardless if you use 2FA, please practice appropriate account security by ensuring your password is secure and unique to Wikimedia.

Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 19:22, 3 July 2018 (UTC)

Why does it matter that I created her?[edit]

y Sheesh, so anyways I STILL don't understand why 1. I can't become famous off my tumblr account and 2. Why Josy the rabbit STILL doesn't qualify for "notability". And I've wondered, are The irate gamer and Sonichu notable either? Emilyiship'05 (talk) 01:17, 8 July 2018 (UTC)

If you can show to me how other, independant sources have covered your rabbbit cartoons in detail and in depth then I'll gladly help you understand what is and isn't regarded as 'notable' here. Wikipedia isn't a platform for you to push or promote your pet projects. Go do that somewhere else please. As for the second part of your question, I've no idea what you're referring to, I'm afraid. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 13:21, 8 July 2018 (UTC)

Tech News: 2018-28[edit]

23:09, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

Portals WikiProject update #011, 10 July 2018[edit]

We now have 97 participants.

Be sure to welcome our newest members, BrantleyIzMe, Coffeeandcrumbs, and Nolan Perry, with warm regards.

Work is proceeding apace. We have 2 major thrusts right now: converting the intro sections of portals, and building the components of the one-page automated model...

Converting the intro sections

We need everybody, except those building software components, to work on converting intros. If you have AWB, definitely use that. If not, then work on them manually. Even one a day, or as often as you can muster, will help a lot. There are only about 1,000 of them left to go, so if everyone chips in, it will go pretty quickly. Remember, there are 97 of us!

The intros for most of the portals starting with A through F have already been converted to use the {{Transclude lead excerpt}} template.

The standard wikicode for the automated intro that we want to put into place looks like this:

{{Transclude lead excerpt | {{PAGENAME}} | paragraphs=1-2 | files=1}}
{{Box-footer|[[{{PAGENAME}}|Read more...]]}}

That works for most portals, but not all. For some portals it requires some tweaking, and for others, we may have to use a different or more customized approach. Remember to visually inspect each portal you work on and make sure that it works before moving on to the next one.

Be sure to skip user-maintained portals. They are listed at Wikipedia:WikiProject_Portals#Specific_portal_maintainers.

AWB tips

I've started an AWB tips page, for those of you feeling a bit overwhelmed by that power user tool. Feel free to add to it and/or improve it.

Portal automation

We have some very talented Lua programmers, who are pushing the limits of what we can do in gathering data from Wikipedia's various namespaces and presenting it in portals. Due to their efforts, Lua is powering the selective transclusion core of our emerging automated portal design, in the form of selected article sections that rotate content, and slideshows.

To go beyond Lua's limits, to take full advantage of Mediawiki's API, we are in the midst of adding another programming language to the resources we shall be making use of: JavaScript. The ways that JavaScript can help us edit portals to boost the power of our Lua solutions, are being explored, which will likely make the two languages synergistic if not symbiotic. Research is under way on how we can use JavaScript to make some of the portal semi-automated features fully automatically self-updating, in ways that Lua cannot. Like gathering random members from a category and inserting them into a portal's templates as parameters. Once the parameters are in place, Lua does the rest.

If you would like to get involved with design efforts, or just keep up on them, see Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Portals/Design.

When should we start building new portals?

Well, not at the present time, because building portals is quite time consuming. The good news is that we are working on a design that will be fully automated, or as close to that as we can get. And the new design is being implemented in the portal department's main portal creation template. This means, that not only will portals update themselves, their creation will be highly automated as well. That's the nature of templates. You put them in place, and they just... work.

What I'm getting at here, is that it would be better to wait to build lots of new portals until after the new design is completed. Because with it, instead of taking hours to create a new portal, it will likely take minutes.

That does not mean we should be idle in the meantime. The main reason most of us are here is because it became apparent that portals were largely unmaintained and had grown out-of-date. This had become so apparent that a proposal was made to delete all the portals and the portal namespace to boot. That makes our main objective in the short term to improve all the existing portals so that the community will want to keep them—forever.

Building lots of new portals comes later. Let's fix up the ones we have first. ;)

And on that note, I bid you adieu. Until next newsletter, see ya 'round the WikiProject.    — The Transhumanist   12:31, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

What are you talking about?[edit]

Ashwrat is an actual Hindu deity i could provide a citation if so needed, Your allegation is unfounded and quite rude. Newke 2.0 (talk) 00:46, 14 July 2018 (UTC)

Hello, Newke 2.0. Of course a citation is needed! More than one in fact. Until you cite some sources we don't know whether what you've written is made up or not. We call this Verifiability, and even you seem to have some problems spelling the name consistently. Like I said, I didn't know enough about the subject to determine whether what you were trying to write about was genuine or not. I'm sorry if you interpret my reply to you at the Teahouse as rude. Clearly, if you can supply citations to support what you want to write about, then do that, please. Until you actually do - and write about it in more than 14 words - any draft article (such as Draft:Ahswrat) is wholly unworthy of submission for review, and most people do find rejection at WP:AFC very demoralising. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 01:03, 14 July 2018 (UTC)
Ah, I see your draft has now been deleted as a 'blatant hoax'. So there you go. Nick Moyes (talk) 21:19, 14 July 2018 (UTC)

Peter Mt. Shasta[edit]

Hi Nick, I hope that I am replying to your take down notice correctly, as the method to reply was not clear. Obviously I am a new editor on Wikipedia. I started a page on Peter Mt. Shasta yesterday, July 12, 2018, and don't understand why you want to remove it. Although it is about a living person, he is a public figure who has been interviewed on radio talk shows. At least one of his books has been published by an independent publisher, Pearl Publishing. He is an internationally known spiritual teacher with 8 books in circulation and 20 videos on YouTube. He is also mentioned in at least 2 other Wikipedia articles (Ascended Masters is one). It is a public service to have this page available. Please advice with any suggested edits to make it more acceptable to you.

Best wishes, DharmaMountain (talk) 16:42, 13 July 2018 (UTC)Dharma Mountain

Nick, I added the references you requested to the Peter Mt. Shasta page and removed the tag. Please let me know if you find this satisfactory.

Many thanks DharmaMountain (talk) 18:56, 13 July 2018 (UTC)Dharma Mountain

@DharmaMountain: You didn't quite post on my talk page correctly, but not to worry. I've moved them both together here now. New posts go at the bottom of a talk page - just click 'add topic' and you'll get a box in which to write to another user.
As a new editor, may I welcome you to Wikipedia. It can be very hard to understand all the procedures and guidelines, and making an acceptable new article is actually the hardest task for any new editor to achieve. You said to me, you "don't understand why you want to remove it". It's not that I wanted to remove it immediately, but we have a hard and fast rule here that any biography of a living person must be referenced. At the time yours did not, so I placed a WP:PROD notice as a way to get you to fix that shortcoming. So thank you for responding. Unlike a Article for deletion notice, anyone can remove a PROD notice. But that doesn't stop an article subsequently being put forward for a deletion discussion, where consensus of other editors is sought. I fear yours may soon be, as I see nothing yet that makes this person clearly meet our Notability criteria for people. Admittedly, I haven't looked to see if any of those references are available online yet, but we need in depth coverage of a person by independent sources to show that they are 'worthy' of people taking note of them. Like him, I've been on many radio talk shows, appeared many times on TV, and have published scholarly books and articles, but I do also know I don't get anywhere near meeting Wikipedia's notability criteria. So please focus on how others have written about him. Importantly, as a manner of style, we need a lead sentence which summarises who he is, and why he's important (notable). Just take a look at any other article to see what I mean. After that, a section on his life, religious awakening, awards and honours etc would break the article down into navigable chunks. We also need a references section
I'd also suggest removing the redlinks to the books you mentioned - I doubt they would meet our WP:NBOOKS criteria, and redlinks in borderline articles tend to serve as a flag that demonstrate people are trying too hard. Ensure every statement is supported by a reference, and include the url in the reference if one's available. Both of our editing tools have drop-down templates for inserting references, each capturing fields like title, author, date, publisher. See Referencing for Beginners.
Bottom line: I really can't see anything that makes this person stand out as meriting an article on Wikipedia. We aren't a public service, listing or promoting every minor celebrity, sportperson, scientist or preacher. Wikipedia only cares about people that other independent sources have written about in depth. It ignores self-published books, blogs and so forth. I'm sorry if this sounds harsh, but I'm holding back on putting this article up for deletion purely so as not to discourage a new editor, as I know how horrible it is to have one's work dismissed. I do hope this sounds reasonable, and do please understand that most editors experience one of their pages put up for deletion at one time or another. Just like a young bird leaving the nest, this is a vulnerable time for any new article. Maybe with a bit more understanding and a chance to strengthen its wings this article might well fly. But sadly I have my doubts. I'll pop by in a few weeks and see how it's coming along. It may be then that a discussion on deletion - or otherwise - is worth having. Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 01:55, 14 July 2018 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

Original Barnstar Hires.png The Original Barnstar
Thank you so much for helping me navigate my way through Wikipedia as a newcomer! RaisinBrannen (talk) 01:22, 14 July 2018 (UTC)

Kung Fu Panda[edit]

Just an FYI, there is an WP:LTA regarding KFP. I'm not an expert on it but I think the Teahouse thing is part of it. John from Idegon (talk) 02:51, 15 July 2018 (UTC)

Portals WikiProject update #012, 15 July 2018[edit]

We have 97 participants.

Getting faster[edit]

Automation makes things go faster, even portal creation. One of the components Certes made was {{Transclude list item excerpt}}. I became curious about its possible applications.

So I worked out a portal design using it, the initial prototypes being Portal:Kyoto (without a "Selected pictures" section), and Portal:Dubai (with a "Selected pictures" section). Then I used Portal:Dubai as the basis for further portals of this type...

I was able to revamp Portal:Munich from start to finish in less than 22 minutes.
Portal:Dresden took about 19 minutes.
Portal:Athens took less than 17 minutes.
Did Portal:Florence in about 13 minutes.
Portal:Stockholm also in about 13.
Portal:Palermo approx. 12 minutes.


To see, and to show, what may become feasible via automation.

It now looks highly feasible that we could get portal construction time down to a few minutes, or maybe even down to a few seconds.

The singularity is just around the corner. :)


When using the {{Random slideshow}} template to display pictures, be sure to use the plural tense in the section title: "Selected pictures". That's because slideshows don't show up on many mobile devices. Instead the whole set of pictures is shown, hence the section title "Selected pictures", as it fits both situations.

In case you are curious, here is a list of the portals so far that have a slideshow:

Progress on intro conversions[edit]

The intros for most of the portals up through the letter "O" have been converted, using this wikicode:

{{Transclude lead excerpt | {{PAGENAME}} | paragraphs=1-2 | files=1}}
{{Box-footer|[[{{PAGENAME}}|Read more...]]}}

Where the pagename didn't match the article title for the subject, the title was typed in.

Most of the portals that do not contain {{/intro}} or {{{{FULLPGENAME}}/Intro}} have not yet been processed.

About a thousand portals use the method of selective transclusion for the intro section. That's about two-thirds. That means we have one-third of the way to go on the intro section conversions.

Much more to come...[edit]

So much has been happening with portals that I can't keep up with it. (That's good). Which means, more in the upcoming issue. Until then, see ya 'round the project. Sincerely,    — The Transhumanist   08:46, 15 July 2018 (UTC)

Tech News: 2018-29[edit]

16:01, 16 July 2018 (UTC)

Portals WikiProject update #013, 18 July 2018[edit]

I got overwhelmed IRL (in real life) during the production of issue #12. So, here is a catch-up issue, to help bring you (and me) up to speed on what is happening with portals...

By the way, we still have 97 participants. (Tell all your friends about this WikiProject, and have them join!)


One cool feature of some of the geographical portals is a panoramic picture at the top of the intro section.

Check these out:

The Portals WikiGnome squadron is busy adding panoramas to geographical portals that don't yet have one. Feel free to join in on the fun. See task details at Wikipedia:WikiProject Portals#Add a panorama or skyline to a geographic portal.

Caveat: avoid super-huge pics, as they can cause portal scripts to time-out. Please try to keep picture size down below 2 megabytes. Thank you.

Auto-populated slideshows[edit]

Speaking of pictures...

We now have two slideshow templates. You may be familiar with {{Random slideshow}}, in which the editor types in (or copies/pastes) a list of pictures he or she wants it to display.

Well, now we have another template, courtesy of Evad37, which accepts one or more page names instead, and displays a random image off of the listed pages. So instead of listing dozens of files by hand, you can include a title or three to be scanned automatically. It even lets you specify particular sections.

The new slideshow template is {{Transclude files as random slideshow}}.

Here's a sample, that grabs images from a single page:

Selected motorcycle or motorcycling pictures

New Template:Box-header colour[edit]

Speaking of new templates, here's another one!

Also from Evad37, we have a new component for starting section boxes, that is color configurable, and that bypasses the need for box-header subpages altogether. It is {{Box-header colour}}.

For color support, see Web colors.

For the discussion in which this was inspired, see Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Portals/Tasks#Colour combinations for accessibility.

(In case you didn't notice, the slideshow box above uses this new template).

BTW, don't forget to close your box with {{Box-footer}}.

Where are we on the redesign?[edit]

The answer to this question is quite involved, and would fill this page to overflowing. Therefore, this subject, including a complete update on where we are at and where we are going with portal design, is covered at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Portals/Design.

Where are we on portal conversion?[edit]

An AWB pass to convert intros on the portals has been completed. The pass couldn't convert them all (due to various formatting configurations, etc.).

All but about 170 portals now have introductions selectively transcluded on the base page. Not counting manually maintained portals, that leaves about 70 portals that either need their intros converted, or they need an intro.

Next, we'll be converting the categories sections!

What's the plan, man?[edit]

The course of action we have been taking goes something like this, with all steps being pursued simultaeneously...

1) Design a one-page automated portal model

2) Convert existing portals to that design (except those being manually maintained)

3) Remove subpages no longer needed

4) Develop further tools to empower editors working on portals

Later, when the tools are up to the task, filling in the gaps in coverage (with new portals) will also become practical.

Are we caught up yet?[edit]

Probably not.

Who knows what our programmers and editors have dreamed up while I was writing this.

See ya again soon,    — The Transhumanist   11:08, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

Helleria brevicornis review[edit]

Thank you for your review of Helleria brevicornis:

Interesting article. But please be aware that it is NOT acceptable behaviour to hijack a pre-existing page which is already a redirect from a similarly named genus, even if it's a synonym or nom illegit. This can disrupt pre-existing links. I think you should have created a new page - e.g. Helleria (woodlouse) - and redirected from that, as per WP:MONOTYPICFAUNA. You were also wrong to assert in your edit summary that the plant genus was Helleri. (see this). BTW: This article could make a good WP:DYK, if you fancy it, as there's an interesting hook to it.

I really appreciate it, in future I will submit any new articles directly for review before publishing as is standard, that should prevent any policy breaches.
The assertion that plant genus was Helleri is a really serious mistake on my part based on a lazy search, I'm not sure what I was thinking at the time.
With regards to WP:DYK, the hook is what made me decide to write the article in the first place, but I reckon the prose of the article is ~600 characters with spaces at the moment and I don't think I can take it to the requisite 1500 without resorting to overly-detailed descriptions of H. brevicornis anatomy. I am planning to add to the article with information regarding maintenance of subsociality through coprophagy but that will be a line or two at most. I also can't seem to find any images of this woodlouse that don't have a non-commercial license...
Thanks again and best regards Edit-pi (talk) 14:15, 22 July 2018 (UTC)

@Edit-pi: Thanks for getting back to me. My apologies if my review feedback seemed unduly terse. I reckon you could easily get that article up to 1500 words, and I'll happily add in a section on Distribution for you if you want to put in the work to bring it up to DYK level, as there is a good article by Gentile et al which I will add for you. I don't think you need to go through AFC for another taxonomic article that the New Page review process is usually adequate to pick up any errors or weaknesses. Keep up the good work. Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 20:59, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
@Edit-pi: I've now got it up to just under 1,800 characters! So, over to you if you fancy submitting it to WP:DYK. You've got 5 days left to do so, though once it's submitted, there's nothing to stop you further tweaking it. Nick Moyes (talk) 22:58, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
@Nick Moyes: Thanks for the edits and support. Your encouragement motivated me to spend some more time on the article. Please go through it once more if you have time. I'll be submitting for DYK review in the next couple of days.
ps I rewrote your edit, I hope you don't mind.
Thanks again Edit-pi (talk) 21:00, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
@Edit-pi: Of course I don't mind you rewording my hastily dictated edits. I'm chuffed you want to put it forward for DYK. It'll be nice to see a real woodlouse on the main page! My only two comments are a) to suggest you tidy up the External links, helping users understand what they're being offered. One of them could be something like "Photos of H. brevocornis (in French). b) You could consider contacting one of the sites holding images of the species and ask if the copyright holder would be willing to upload one of their pictures (low res will do) to Wikimedia Commons. I did this for Syracosphaera azureaplaneta and actually had some success! Cheers, Nick Moyes (talk) 23:51, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

Syracosphaera azureaplaneta

@Nick Moyes: Just to let you know: I have nominated the article for DYK and posted here in hope of an suitable photo. We'll see how it goes. Edit-pi (talk) 07:47, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
Well done on both counts, Nick Moyes (talk) 08:21, 25 July 2018 (UTC)

@Edit-pi: Hey, congrats on getting your DYK on the Main Page today. A promising start for a great new editor! Nick Moyes (talk) 23:05, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

Thanks. I'm working on Talk:Woodlouse#Rewrite_2018 now. Would appreciate any help or advice. Edit-pi (talk) 01:33, 21 September 2018 (UTC)

Box-header colour[edit]

The docs for Box-header colour states "Other parameters that are accepted by Template:Box-header can also be used in this template, apart from the following (which will be ignored if specified):

  • title
  • editpage
  • noedit
  • border
  • titleforeground
  • titlebackground
  • foreground
  • background

Which means it defaults to all of Box-header's other behaviors.

The docs for Box-header says "A template standardizing the portal templates and for other purposes. If used for other purposes, note that if the TOC and EDIT parameters are missing or not set to yes, the table of contents and all section editing will be suppressed."

So, I added TOC=yes, and it seems to have solved the problem. I think my talk page has TOC=yes somewhere else.

Thanks for the heads up. I'm going to check on the other participants' TOCs.    — The Transhumanist   00:56, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

Thank you[edit]

Hello, Nick Moyes. I want to thank you for the very compassionate and perceptive response to a young editor at the Teahouse. And, thank you also for all the helpful advice you offer there. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 03:37, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

@Cullen328: Thank you for that. I've certainly learned a lot since you invited me to contribute there, and its good to support amd help others when we can. Nick Moyes (talk) 08:45, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

August 2018 at Women in Red[edit]

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An exciting new month for Women in Red!

August 2018 worldwide online editathons:
New: Indigenous women Women of marginalized populations Women writers Geofocus: Bottom 10
Continuing: #1day1woman Global Initiative
Notable women, broadly-construed!

For the first time, this month we are trying out our Monthly achievement initiative

  • All creators of new biographies can keep track of their progress and earn virtual awards.
  • It can be used in conjunction with the above editathons or for any women's biography created in August.
  • Try it out when you create your first biography of the month.

Latest headlines, news, and views on the Women in Red talkpage (Join the conversation!):

(To subscribe: Women in Red/English language mailing list and Women in Red/international list. Unsubscribe: Women in Red/Opt-out list) --Rosiestep (talk) 11:22, 23 July 2018 (UTC) via MassMessaging

Tech News: 2018-30[edit]

09:44, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

Comment from Teahouse[edit]

Hi Nick I am repharsing as you requested. I i.e. AMAN TUGNAWAT to create new Artificial Intelligence products inspired by the Google search engine. Which is the best AI in the world in my opinion. The reason for my last message not making sense is because I am trying to be cryptic here. AND THE THING IS YOU CAN'T EVEN VERIFY IF ITS AMAN TUGNAWAT talking you right now.

MangoX0XA (talk) 01:24, 25 July 2018 (UTC)

You're still not making much sense, I'm afraid, MangoX0XA. I really don't care if you are the person you said you were - you do sound rather too young and immature actually to be them, and your English is not as good as I would expect for a graduate in Robotics and AI from a New York University. But whether you're trying to be cryptic or otherwise, the advice and welcome I left for you still stands. Nick Moyes (talk) 01:42, 25 July 2018 (UTC)

Patrol on Tashtego[edit]

Hi there. I saw you marked Tashtego as reviewed. I had come across the page earlier on NPP and restored the redirect. Most minor characters even in major literary works don't have their own pages. The particular reasoning for an exception in this case (categories) could apply to others as well. Asking you to reconsider the decision. Happy patrolling and Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 01:35, 25 July 2018 (UTC)

Hi, Barkeep49 Thanks for contacting me. You'd be most welcome to unreview the page, or indeed to restore the redirect. My rationale for marking this old page as 'reviewed' was simply to reduce the backlog and to remove a 2010-dated page from the back of the NPP list. It wasn't to signal my approval of the redirect being removed. I did have my doubts about whether a separate page was actually necessary, but thought on this occasion I'd leave it up to other editors to work together on. So, I don't really have any decision I need to reconsider - feel free to edit the page as you deem most appropriate. Best wishes, Nick Moyes (talk) 01:51, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
Thanks for the message. Undoing someone else's review is a move that raises eyebrows so I only try to do it in cases of clear mistakes not this which is definitely more a judgement call. I will be marking it unreviewed (which you'll get a message about). Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 01:54, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
Also as someone who patrols at the "oldest" end of the feed you my be interested in a flow chart I've made about how I do it. If you have any recommendations or suggestions they'd be most welcome. Best, Barkeep49 (talk)
Thanks for the notification, Barkeep49 - I know what you mean about raised eyebrows on unpatrolling. To be honest, I don't often go down to the oldest end of the queue, but I've now added your workflow page to my list of useful pages, and will read through it. Thanks very much for that. If I'm honest, I'd have assumed that keeping the page reviewed would have been fine, even if the redirect were to be re-established. I'd welcome you putting me right if I've misunderstood something on that, especially if there's a perceived value in keeping an old redirect page unreviewed so that it comes up clearly at NPP if it's wrongly turned back into an article. (I'm feeling this issue might have helpfully identified a gap in my experience). Cheers Nick Moyes (talk) 02:10, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
I didn't actually restore the redirect - unless it's a cut and dry case (e.g. someone is trying to restore a page that has been decided on as redirect at AfD) I don't do two undo/rollbacks in a row. That promotes an edit war. Instead I've found in most situations another patroller will reach the same conclusion I did and restore the redirect. Hence my note here. Glad it seems like my workflow might be useful. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 02:15, 25 July 2018 (UTC)

I have unreviewed a page you curated[edit]

Hi, I'm Barkeep49. I wanted to let you know that I saw the page you reviewed, Tashtego, and have un-reviewed it again. If you have any questions, please ask them on my talk page. Thank you.

Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 01:54, 25 July 2018 (UTC)

A goat for you![edit]

[[|left|150px]] I'm here to return the favor! :)

You are noot (talk) 21:59, 25 July 2018 (UTC)

Aw, thanks, You are noot! Unfortunately not all the goat arrived in one piece. But I do appreciate the sentiment. Nick Moyes (talk) 22:21, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
And a potential paradigm shift for you...

Portals WikiProject update #014, 27 July 2018[edit]

Development of design continues, full speed ahead...

Excerpt slideshows are here![edit]

Can you say "paradigm shift"?

Now, in addition to picture slideshows, we have slideshows that can display excerpts. Portals are not just for topic tasting anymore. Now they can be made useful for surveying Wikipedia's coverage of entire subjects. This gives a deeper meaning to their name. Hmmm. "Portals"... Doorways to knowledge.

Portal:Lithuania was redesigned using excerpt slideshows. Check it out.

For those of you who cannot wait to test out these new toys...

We have not one, but three excerpt slideshow components to pick from:

{{Transclude excerpts as random slideshow}}

For this one, you specify the page names where the excerpts are to be extracted from.

{{Transclude list item excerpts as random slideshow}}

This one accepts source pages from where the page names are gathered from list items. Then an excerpt from one of those pages is displayed. The selection of what is included in the slide show can be limited to a specific number from the collection (of the page names gathered), and that selection is renewed from scratch each time the page is purged.
For example, if you specify Template:World Heritage Sites in Spain as a source page, the slideshow will cycle through those sites. Now you don't have to type them in one-by-one. This greatly reduces portal creation time.

{{Transclude linked excerpts as random slideshow}}

Same as above, but gathers links instead of just linked list items.

Panoramic banners[edit]

{{Portal image banner}} displays a panoramic picture the width of the page, and adjusts its size, so it stays that way even if the user changes page view size. And it accepts multiple file names, so that the picture displayed randomizes between them each time the page is visited/purged.

Give resizing the page a try:

Vilnius old town banner.jpg
Vilnius, the capital of Lithuania.

You can now balance section boxes[edit]


Reptile types
Amphibian types


Reptile types
Amphibian types

Notice how the box bottoms line up. That readjusts even if you click the slideshow buttons.

The template used for this is {{Flex columns}}.

By the way, when you include more than one box in a column, any left over whitespace in that column is divided between them.

Box-header colour[edit]

You may have noticed the new {{Box-header colour}} template used above. It lets you pick the color locally (right on the same page). Before, this was handled on a subpage somewhere.

Testing, testing[edit]

Now that we have lots of toys to play with for making cool portals...

Don't forget, that the majority of views of Wikipedia these days are from mobile devices. We need to make certain that portals display well on those. So, remember to check your work on portals in mobile view mode...

To see a portal in mobile view mode, insert a ".m" into a portal's url, after "en", like this:

If you discover problems in a portal you can't fix, report them on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Portals/Design.

Until next time...[edit]

Have fun.    — The Transhumanist   00:44, 27 July 2018 (UTC)


I Have change Draft:Yu Qiuyu, can you move this draft to article about Yu Qiuyu? Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 11:31, 28 July 2018 (UTC)

About the goat[edit]

It was meant to be cookies but it changed into a goat because of a glitch. ^_^ You are noot (talk) 17:25, 29 July 2018 (UTC)

You've got mail![edit]

Hello, Nick Moyes. Please check your email; you've got mail!
It may take a few minutes from the time the email is sent for it to show up in your inbox. You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{You've got mail}} or {{ygm}} template. You are noot (talk) 17:32, 29 July 2018 (UTC)
Hello You are noot. Sorry, I wont be able to pick up emails or reply here for a while. I'm out of country right now, with very limited internet access. Regards from Canada.Nick Moyes (talk) 22:30, 29 July 2018 (UTC)

NPR Newsletter No.12 30 July 2018[edit]

Chart of the New Pages Patrol backlog for the past 6 months. (Purge)

Hello Nick Moyes, thank you for your work reviewing New Pages!

June backlog drive

Overall the June backlog drive was a success, reducing the last 3,000 or so to below 500. However, as expected, 90% of the patrolling was done by less than 10% of reviewers.
Since the drive closed, the backlog has begun to rise sharply again and is back up to nearly 1,400 already. Please help reduce this total and keep it from raising further by reviewing some articles each day.

New technology, new rules
  • New features are shortly going to be added to the Special:NewPagesFeed which include a list of drafts for review, OTRS flags for COPYVIO, and more granular filter preferences. More details can be found at this page.
  • Probationary permissions: Now that PERM has been configured to allow expiry dates to all minor user rights, new NPR flag holders may sometimes be limited in the first instance to 6 months during which their work will be assessed for both quality and quantity of their reviews. This will allow admins to accord the right in borderline cases rather than make a flat out rejection.
  • Current reviewers who have had the flag for longer than 6 months but have not used the permissions since they were granted will have the flag removed, but may still request to have it granted again in the future, subject to the same probationary period, if they wish to become an active reviewer.
  • Editathons will continue through August. Please be gentle with new pages that obviously come from good faith participants, especially articles from developing economies and ones about female subjects. Consider using the 'move to draft' tool rather than bluntly tagging articles that may have potential but which cannot yet reside in mainspace.
The Signpost
  • The next issue of the monthly magazine will be out soon. The newspaper is an excellent way to stay up to date with news and new developments between our newsletters. If you have special messages to be published, or if you would like to submit an article (one about NPR perhaps?), don't hesitate to contact the editorial team here.

Go here to remove your name if you wish to opt-out of future mailings. Insertcleverphrasehere (or here) 00:00, 30 July 2018 (UTC)

Tech News: 2018-31[edit]

14:05, 30 July 2018 (UTC)

Portals tasks requests: presented in the newsletter below...[edit]

Portals WikiProject update #015, 31 July 2018[edit]

Now that we have lots of toys to play with, it's play time!

Here are some fun activities to use our new toys on...

Fun activity #1: put the improved panorama template to use[edit]

Would you like to travel around the world? Well, this may be the next best thing...

Here's another fun toy to play with: {{Portal image banner}}

To see what it looks like, check out the panoramas at the tops of the following portals:

The task: There are many geography portals that lack panoramas. Please add some. Please keep the file size down below 2 megabytes, and keep in mind that you may find quality banners at commons: at less than 200K (.2 megabytes). Good search terms to include with the place name are "banner", "cityscape", "skyline", "panorama", "landscape", etc.

Related task: There are also lots of geography portals that have panoramas used as gaudy banners (with print or icons splattered across them) or that display them in some random location on the page. In many cases, those pages would be improved by displaying the panorama as a clean picture at the top of the intro section, like on the examples above. This works best with banner-like panoramas. Please fix such pages when you come across them, if you believe it would improve the look of the page.

Taller images might be better suited displayed further down the page, or in the "Selected images" section.

Note that {{Portal image banner}} supports multiple images, and displays one at random upon the first visit, and each time the page is purged.

Fun activity #2: install "Selected images" sections[edit]

That is, image slideshows!

Over 200 have been installed so far. Just 1200 to go. (Be sure not to install them on portals with active maintainers, unless they want you to).

The title "Selected images" reflects the fact that not all images on Wikipedia are pictures, and encompasses maps, graphs, diagrams, sketches, paintings, pictures, and so on.

The toys we have to work with for this are:

{{Random slideshow}}


{{Transclude files as random slideshow}}

The task: Using one of the above templates directly on a portal's base page, replace static "Selected picture" sections, with a section like one of these:

Selected images
Selected images

The one on the left uses {{Random slideshow}} (which accepts file names), and the one on the right uses {{Transclude files as random slideshow}} (which accepts source pages from which the filenames are gathered).

The above section formatting is used on many of the pages you will come across, but not all. In those cases, use whatever section formatting matches the rest of the page.

Note that you may come across "Selected picture" sections done with {{Random portal component}} templates. That template call is the entire section. Replace it with a section that matches the other sections on the page, and put the new slideshow inside that.

For example, in Portal:California, this code:

{{Random portal component|max=21|seed=27|header=Selected picture|subpage=Selected picture}}

was replaced with this code:

{{/box-header|Selected images|noedit=yes}}
{{Transclude files as random slideshow
| Culture of {{PAGENAME}}

And the new section blended right in with the formatting of the rest of the page. Note the use of the {{PAGENAME}} magic word. Plain article titles also work. Don't feel limited to one or two page names. But be sure to test each slideshow before installing the next one. (Or if you prefer, in batches - just don't leave them hanging). Report technical problems at the Portal design talk page.

Fun activity #3: upgrade "Selected article" sections[edit]

These sections, where unmaintained, have gone stale. That's because 1) the excerpts are static, having been manually copied and pasted, and 2) because they lack automatic addition of new entries.

They can be upgraded with:

{{Transclude random excerpt}}


{{Transclude list item excerpt}}


{{Transclude linked excerpt}}

All three of these will provide excerpts that won't go stale. The latter two can provide excerpt collections that won't go stale, by providing new entries over time. The key is to select source pages or source sections that are frequently updated, such as root article sections, mainstream lists, or navigation templates.

Where will this put us?[edit]

When the above tasks are completed for the entire collection of portals (except the ones with specific maintainers), we'll be more than half-way done with the portal system upgrade.

Keep up the great work.    — The Transhumanist   19:14, 30 July 2018 (UTC)

Crimean ride 1675[edit]

Hello. I have read your explanation for deleted article in my page. Only source from many revolutions history of Kievan Rus' is story of past years. This does not mean that corrections referring to it should be deleted. I also took description from one source. However, this is supported by many facts - campaign shifts the fact that Islam Gerei was often thrown out of throne and that, after year (1676), Turkish sultan had conflict with Cossacks (Reply of the Zaporozhian Cossacks). The Shaolin Monk   20:04, 4 aug 2018 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – August 2018[edit]

News and updates for administrators from the past month (July 2018).


Administrator changes

added Sro23
readded KaisaLYmblanter

Guideline and policy news

  • After a discussion at Meta, a new user group called "interface administrators" (formerly "technical administrator") has been created. Come the end of August, interface admins will be the only users able to edit site-wide JavaScript and CSS pages like MediaWiki:Common.js and MediaWiki:Common.css, or edit other user's personal JavaScript and CSS. The intention is to improve security and privacy by reducing the number of accounts which could be used to compromise the site or another user's account through malicious code. The new user group can be assigned and revoked by bureaucrats. Discussion is ongoing to establish details for implementing the group on the English Wikipedia.
  • Following a request for comment, the WP:SISTER style guideline now states that in the mainspace, interwiki links to Wikinews should only be made as per the external links guideline. This generally means that within the body of an article, you should not link to Wikinews about a particular event that is only a part of the larger topic. Wikinews links in "external links" sections can be used where helpful, but not automatically if an equivalent article from a reliable news outlet could be linked in the same manner.

Technical news

Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 01:31, 5 August 2018 (UTC)

Tech News: 2018-32[edit]

19:39, 6 August 2018 (UTC)


hello how is yo day --Ndyanaboandrew (talk) 06:42, 11 August 2018 (UTC)

Hello, Ndyanaboandrew. Welcome to Wikipedia. How are you finding it so far? I see you've started by working in Draft:Shaka Ssali. Good luck with that. Actually, creating a new article is one of the very hardest tasks a new editor can do. So don't be disheartened if you run into problems. Do look at similar articles to your draft, and try to match their style of writing, especially noting that every fact about a person must be provable by your insertion of a published reference to a reliable source. I'll drop by in a moment and leave you a welcome message containing a load of useful links to our help and guideline pages. Any problems - just come to the Teahouse and seek help from one of the hosts there. Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 11:53, 13 August 2018 (UTC)

Peer review newsletter #1[edit]


Hello to all! I do not intend to write a regular peer review newsletter but there does occasionally come a time when those interested in contributing to peer review should be contacted, and now is one. I've mailed this out to everyone on the peer review volunteers list, and some editors that have contributed to past discussions. Apologies if I've left you off or contacted you and you didn't want it. Next time there is a newsletter / mass message it will be opt in (here), I'll talk about this below - but first:

  • THANK YOU! I want to thank you for your contributions and for volunteering on the list to help out at peer review. Thank you!
  • Peer review is useful! It's good to have an active peer review process. This is often the way that we help new or developing editors understand our ways, and improve the quality of their editing - so it fills an important and necessary gap between the teahouse (kindly introduction to our Wikiways) and GA and FA reviews (specific standards uphelp according to a set of quality criteria). And we should try and improve this process where possible (automate, simplify) so it can be used and maintained easily.


It can get quite lonely tinkering with peer review...
With a bit of effort we can renovate the place to look like this!

Update #1: the peer review volunteers list is changing[edit]

The list is here in case you've forgotten: WP:PRV. Kadane has kindly offered to create a bot that will ping editors on the volunteers list with unanswered reviews in their chosen subject areas every so often. You can choose the time interval by changing the "contact" parameter. Options are "never", "monthly", "quarterly", "halfyearly", and "annually". For example:

  • {{PRV|JohnSmith|History of engineering|contact=monthly}} - if placed in the "History" section, JohnSmith will receive an automatic update every month about unanswered peer reviews relating to history.
  • {{PRV|JaneSmith|Mesopotamian geography, Norwegian fjords|contact=annually}} - if placed in the "Geography" section, JaneSmith will receive an automatic update every yearly about unanswered peer reviews in the geography area.

We can at this stage only use the broad peer review section titles to guide what reviews you'd like, but that's better than nothing! You can also set an interest in multiple separate subject areas that will be updated at different times.

Update #2: a (lean) WikiProject Peer review[edit]

I don't think we need a WikiProject with a giant bureaucracy nor all sorts of whiz-bang features. However over the last few years I've found there are times when it would have been useful to have a list of editors that would like to contribute to discussions about the peer review process (e.g. instructions, layout, automation, simplification etc.). Also, it can get kind of lonely on the talk page as I am (correct me if I'm wrong) the only regular contributor, with most editors moving on after 6 - 12 months.

So, I've decided to create "WikiProject Peer review". If you'd like to contribute to the WikiProject, or make yourself available for future newsletters or contact, please add yourself to the list of members.

Update #3: advertising[edit]

We plan to do some advertising of peer review, to let editors know about it and how to volunteer to help, at a couple of different venues (Signpost, Village pump, Teahouse etc.) - but have been waiting until we get this bot + WikiProject set up so we have a way to help interested editors make more enduring contributions. So consider yourself forewarned!

And... that's it!

I wish you all well on your Wikivoyages, Tom (LT) (talk) 00:31, 11 August 2018 (UTC)

Your Note to Sylviagindick[edit]

You wrote: "As a retired museum curator, it's really great to see new articles being written about art and art history (and not the usual run of footballers, dull CEOs and minor companies that want to promote themselves here)." Yes. At least with the footballers we only have to verify whether they have played in a league that is considered fully professional. The minor companies are also easy: They are almost always good targets for G11. The dull CEOs are hard cases, because we have to determine whether the references are independent or just press releases and whether they meet general notability, which is not always a clear guideline. I also like to see articles on species (of insects or whatever), because if the species is properly documented, it is notable. Robert McClenon (talk) 20:48, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for your comment, Robert McClenon. As for species: me too. In fact, that's been my main interest as a naturalist (though this AFD discussion is currently vexing me.) I am generally more inclined to expend effort to encourage and help retain editors like Sylviagindick who work in these more obscure areas than those creating the general mass of notable encyclopaedic trivia. But, as you're here, could I ask you about the current situation regarding WP:AFC? I would be interested in gaining experience and helping out there, but heard changes are currently happening to the review process. Where are we with that, and would now be a good time to get involved, or would it be better to wait until changes to the review process have been implemented and bedded in? Maybe we're already past that point? Your views on this would be most welcome. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 22:19, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

Since You Asked[edit]

Since you asked, here are my thoughts on Articles for Creation. First, there are several editors who either talk about how the review process is broken and should be replaced by something else or merged into WP:NPP, or who talk, sometimes grandiosely, about improving the review process. Most of the big-talkers are not reviewers and are engaged in the usual Wikipedia custom of selecting a group of volunteers to whom you do not belong and dumping on them. The AFC process does have a considerable amount of brokenness. There is a backlog of 2000 articles so that submissions may wait as long as two months for review. Also, most of the submissions are crud, such as the minor companies that want to promote themselves, and people who think that Wikipedia is Facebook. However, I have not seen a plausible way to reduce that backlog. We could discontinue AFC, and let the submitters become auto-confirmed and then go directly to article space, but that would put the burden on NPP and speedy deletion and AFD to get rid of the crud. We could simply let the submitters go into article space, but that would go against WP:ACPERM and would be worse than the backlog. There are many claims that some reviewers are arbitrary and have unreasonable standards. That is true of any volunteer process, but we try to ensure quality of reviews. I don't expect there to be any significant changes to the review process in the near future, because the talk about changes consists mostly of wind. It is as good a time as many to get involved in the process. However, I will caution you, as mentioned, that there are two problems. First, most of the submissions are crud, and many of the submitters are clueless. Second, there is a lot of empty talk and of dumping on the reviewers. If you want to help out anyway, you are welcome. Robert McClenon (talk) 20:40, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

Hypericum punctatum article review[edit]

Thanks for the advice in your review of the Hypericum punctatum article. I've made the suggested changes and I'll try to keep the measurement advice in mind in the future as I tend to use many different units in one article. You suggested that I nominate the article for DYK and I'm willing to do any work involved but I'm quite unfamiliar with the DYK process. Thanks, Pagliaccious (talk) 15:08, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

@Pagliaccious: OK, thanks. I think cm (for plant height) and mm (for floral parts etc) together are fine. It was just the decimetre unit that worried me. re DYK. OK, so you probably already know that Did You Know...? puts brand new articles like yours on the Wikipedia Main Page, presenting an interesting 'hook' which attracts visitors in to these random articles. Editors have up to seven days to submit an article for 'Did You Know...? and these all have to meet certain criteria. It has to be long enough (yours is), new enough (your is), and, critically, every factual statement must be supported by a good reference - especially the 'hook' (that needs checking). By following the DYK instructions (which I did find unbelievably complex at first!) you end up creating a unique submission template for your article which, when ready, you then substitute into the DYK submissions list at the point corresponding to the date you first put the article into mainspace. You must do this within 7 days of the article going live. One editor often then comes along, reviews your submission and article, suggesting improvements to the article or sometimes even a better, more interesting 'hook' for readers to see. Once you've addressed any concerns (and this itself can take a while - but that doesn't matter so long as you submit it within 7 days), your DYK submission will eventually get approved by the reviewer and goes into a waiting list, often taking a few weeks to appear on the main page. Articles with good photos stand a good chance of being used - and there's a place on the template for you to add that image filename and even a different caption to that on the article. Once on the Main Page it's there for between 6 and 12 hours, often gathering a quite a few thousand hits whilst on view. It can be a bit of work the first time you wade through the DYK instructions.
The real instructions are all at Wikipedia:Did you know. But a simpler, clearer set of instructions are available here: User:Rjanag/Quick DYK 2.
Hope this helps - and good luck if you decide to go for it! Nick Moyes (talk) 15:57, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
@Nick Moyes: Thanks for the advice. I think I'll go for my first DYK with this article. Pagliaccious (talk) 18:47, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

Portals WikiProject update #016, 15 Aug 2018[edit]

Future portal tool[edit]

Discussions are underway on the design of a portal tool (user script) that will hopefully have features for modifying portals at the click of a menu item, to make editing them easier. It might do things like change the color for you, add to a selection, add a new section, move a section, and so on.

If you'd like to be involved and suggest features for the tool, please join us at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Portals/Design#What would you want a portal tool to be able to do?.

Progress report: upgrade of portals[edit]

As new portal components are built by our Lua gurus, those components are being used to upgrade portals. Each component automates a section of a portal in a particular way.

The sections that are mostly upgraded so far are the Intro, and the Associated Wikimedia section.

The sections currently undergoing upgrade are: Selected image, Categories, and the Intro.

The Intro? Isn't that done already?

Yes, and no.

The upgrade of the excerpt in intros is mostly complete (there are about 70 non-standard portals that still need it).

Now we are doing another upgrade of intros in the form of adding a panoramic picture at the top of the intro, on portals for which such a picture is available on Commons:. Dozens of panoramas have been added so far, and they are really starting to affect the look of portals — the portals that have them look really good.

Regions are the most likely subjects to have panoramas, but a surprising number of other subjects have banner-shaped pictures too. Some examples of non-geographic portals that they have been added to are:

Speaking of pictures, several hundred Selected image sections have been upgraded to include image slideshows.

Progress report: design[edit]

The push for automation continues, with new components under continuous testing in the field. As problems are spotted, they are reported to our programmers, who have done a fantastic job of keeping up with bug reports and fixing the relevant Lua modules fast. I am highly impressed.

Construction time on new portals is now down to as little as a minute or less. Though not in general. If you are lucky enough to spot portals that fit the profile of the new tools (their strengths), then a portal can be complete almost as soon as it is created, with the added time it takes to find and add a panorama. Source page titles are not generally standardized, and so it source pages in many cases must be entered manually. Where source page titles follow a standard naming convention, portal creation for those subjects goes quickly.

So, we still have some hurdles, but the outlook on portals is very good. New features, and many improvements to features are on the horizon. I'll be sure to report them when they become available.

What will the portal of the future look like? That is up to you!

See you on the project's talk pages.

Sincerely,    — The Transhumanist   21:08, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

Ogden & Astor[edit]

Besides being dangerously close to being a case of WP:Bite the newbies WP:BITE, if you feel that there is "No evidence that a solitary bus [streetcar] stop is sufficiently notable to warrant its own page", then you need to prune Category:Muni Metro stations. Useddenim (talk) 11:35, 19 August 2018 (UTC)

@Useddenim: Thanks for stopping by to leave me your views on my new page patrolling and interaction with other editors. I see you left an identical comment for fellow reviewer, SounderBruce. Whilst I like a humourous page, just like the next editor, I'm honestly not sure what you're on about.
If you really think my redirect and edit summary of a new page about a single bus stop was uninformative and/or aggressive towards an editor with 3 months experience and 139 edits here, you will have to explain it better, I'm afraid. I'm always keen to encourage and assist 'newbies' as you call them (hence my work answering questions from newcomers at the Teahouse), but that doesn't extend to me retaining a non-notable page just to keep an editor happy. There was no intention to WP:BITE, nor do I think there was. We are building an encyclopaedia of notable things, here. If you don't like my WP:REDIRECT for the above article, or SounderBruce's WP:PROD for Burns Commons (The Hop), you - or they - are always welcome to go off and find reliable content and references yourself to justify reversion and/or retention. And we can then consider it. I certainly do not assess a solitary bus stop as notable, but maybe I missed a guideline somewhere (Please show it to me, and to Milwaukee 148, if you genuinely think it is liable to meet it). It may be that preparing future new articles in their user sandbox or as a 'Draft' at Articles for Creation is good advice, moving forward. But I really don't need you to tell me that I need to prune anything - we're all volunteers here. If you want to do that yourself, please go ahead. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 22:53, 19 August 2018 (UTC)
Apologies for being unclear. I was questioning “Why this one article?”, not objecting to the deletion per se. Other than with Cleveland’s HealthLine (Adelbert Road, Cornell Road and a few “East nth Street” pages), there’s been no progress in eliminating these non-notable stubs. Useddenim (talk) 21:24, 20 August 2018 (UTC)
@Useddenim: Ah, OK. Well that's simple. This solitary new page came up at new page patrol where we either give the go-ahead for Google to index new articles, or mark them for some kind of action or possibly even deletion - in this case, redirection seeming the appropriate response. It's only occasionally I might take it upon myself to investigate the creations of an editor if I have concerns about them, and I certainly had no interest in the topic itself, so would never get involved in that. We have enough to do with a back log of 2000 new pages, and increasing! Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 21:47, 20 August 2018 (UTC)

Shipley Country Park[edit]

I talked to the author of Shipley Hall about moving the article to the namespace Shipley Country Park, but he didn't want that. I think the problem is that Shipley Hall is defunct and Shipley Country Park is alive. Obviously I still think that move is the best option, what do you think? Szzuk (talk) 12:46, 20 August 2018 (UTC)

Hi, Szzuk. Thanks for discussing this, not only with me, but with the original author. I'm sure you recognise we can't have two articles on the same topic. I really think the lede in Shipley Hall covers the two names. And now we have a redirect which ensures users find it either way. I'd suggest you check whether there's anything from your new page that you could add to the main article. It would be quite OK to create and expand a new section on the modern Country Park within that article, too. Does this help? Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 13:37, 20 August 2018 (UTC)
I've dropped a section about the country park into the hall article, I don't think the situation is ideal but it is ok, so I'm just leaving things be now, regards. Szzuk (talk) 13:43, 20 August 2018 (UTC)

Tech News: 2018-34[edit]

16:46, 20 August 2018 (UTC)

Portals WikiProject update #017, 22 Aug 2018[edit]

This issue is about portal creation...

Creating new portals[edit]

Myself and others have been testing and experimenting with the new components in upgrading existing portals and in building new portals. They have now been applied in hundreds of portals.

The templates are ready for general use for portal creation.

They are still a bit buggy, but the only way we are going to work the rest of the bugs out is by using them and reporting the bugs as we come across them.

I look forward to seeing what new portals you create!

Be sure to report bugs at WT:WPPORTD.

The main portal creation template is {{box portal skeleton}}.

Portal creation tips[edit]

After starting a portal using {{box portal skeleton}}...

  1. Placing a panorama (banner picture) at the top of the intro section is a nice touch, and really makes a portal look good. {{box portal skeleton}} doesn't automatically insert panoramas. So, you will need to do that by hand. They can be found at Commons:. For some examples, check out Portal:Sharks, Portal:Cheese, and Portal:Florence
  2. The search term provided in the Did you know? and In the news sections is very basic and rarely matches anything. It is best to replace that term with multiple search arguments, if possible (separate each argument with a pipe character). For example, in Portal:Capital punishment, see Searches in templates use Lua search notation.
  3. Check the In the news and Did you know? sections for mismatches. That is, sometimes entries come up that shouldn't be displayed. If there are any, refine the search strings further, so they don't return such results.
  4. Finish each portal you've created before creating a new one. We don't want unfinished portals sitting around.

Need a laugh?[edit]

Check out the Did you know? section on Portal:Determinism.    — The Transhumanist   02:22, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

West Park[edit]

I've tidied the refs but never added a google maps link. Szzuk (talk) 21:58, 23 August 2018 (UTC)

@Szzuk: Unless youre using an Infobox (into which you can drop coordinates directly) it's actually just the same as adding any other url in External links. With a desktop with Chrome browser, there's a way of pulling off a shortcut link, though not, it seems, on a mobile. Otherwise you can zoom in to cover the relevant area, and then extract the full url from the browser. Take a look at external links at the bottom of Mont Blanc massif, where I've added Bing maps and OpenStreetMap links to the region. Nick Moyes (talk) 10:07, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
I had a go at adding the coords but it was too tricky, adding coords isn't an unpopular activity, a bot will come along to tag the infobox then someone who knows how to do it will follow soon after, so I will leave it to them now, regards, Szzuk (talk) 13:19, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
No worries, Szzuk. It's actually not too difficult once you have the right tool. Try which allows you to click on the map and get coordinates. I always forget exactly how to enter them, so I look at another page to remind me - like that for Derby. Then I paste them in and edit them accordingly. Bingo! Then just click on the coordinates displayed, then click for a Google map to check they're correct. Bingo! Keep up the good work. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 14:10, 24 August 2018 (UTC)

September 2018 at Women in Red[edit]

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September is an exciting new month for Women in Red's worldwide online editathons!

New: Women currently in academics Women + Law Geofocus: Hispanic countries

Continuing: #1day1woman Global Initiative

Check it out: Monthly achievement initiative

  • All creators of new biographies can keep track of their progress and earn virtual awards.
  • It can be used in conjunction with the above editathons or for any women's biography created in September.
  • Try it out when you create your first biography of the month.

Latest headlines, news, and views on the Women in Red talkpage (Join the conversation!):

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Improvements to Heok Hui Tan[edit]

Hi Nick,

Thank you for your comment on my Talk page. I have made some improvements to the article, including species authorizations. Regards, Mill 1 (talk) 07:13, 26 August 2018 (UTC) Regards, Mill 1 (talk) 07:13, 26 August 2018 (UTC)

@Mill 1: Thanks. I've made a few small tweaks myself relating to his discovery and publication of two species new to science. I'm still not convinced he fully meets our WP:NACADEMIC criteria, but, on the basis that any scientist skilled enough to recognise a species totally new to science has made a 'significant discovery', per that guideline, I've removed the notability tag I added. Nick Moyes (talk) 23:41, 26 August 2018 (UTC)

Jessica Rosemary Shepherd[edit]

Hi Nick, Thanks so much for your comment on my talk page about Jessica Rosemary Shepherd and for reviewing the page. I totally agree, I think I went overboard with citations simply because I found so many... but yes it makes sense to be a bit more economical. I've already cut it back a bit and will get it looking a bit less overflowing later today.Goblin Roger House (talk) 11:30, 28 August 2018 (UTC)

Dear AWB'er[edit]

I noticed over at the Portals WikiProject that you have or use AWB (or JWB).

There are some tasks that have turned up that are perfect for AWB.

We have many new portals, and they need:

  1. To have a {{Portal}} template placed in the See also section on the corresponding root article, outline article, and index article.
  2. A {{Portal}} template placed on the corresponding category page.
  3. A link placed at the end (in the "bottom" section) on the corresponding navigation template. For an example, see Template:Birds.

The new portals can be found on Category:Single-page portals along with some revamped ones. You'll need to use the skip feature of AWB.

If you have any questions, please {{ping}} me, and ask them below.    — The Transhumanist   01:59, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – September 2018[edit]

News and updates for administrators from the past month (August 2018).


Administrator changes

added None
removed AsterionCrisco 1492KFKudpungLizRandykittySpartaz
renamed Optimist on the runVoice of Clam

Interface administrator changes

added AmorymeltzerMr. StradivariusMusikAnimalMSGJTheDJXaosflux

Guideline and policy news

  • Following a "stop-gap" discussion, six users have temporarily been made interface administrators while discussion is ongoing for a more permanent process for assigning the permission. Interface administrators are now the only editors allowed to edit sitewide CSS and JavaScript pages, as well as CSS/JS pages in another user's userspace. Previously, all administrators had this ability. The right can be granted and revoked by bureaucrats.

Technical news

  • Because of a data centre test you will be able to read but not edit the wikis for up to an hour on 12 September and 10 October. This will start at 14:00 (UTC). You might lose edits if you try to save during this time. The time when you can't edit might be shorter than an hour.
  • Some abuse filter variables have changed. They are now easier to understand for non-experts. The old variables will still work but filter editors are encouraged to replace them with the new ones. You can find the list of changed variables on They have a note which says Deprecated. Use ... instead. An example is article_text which is now page_title.
  • Abuse filters can now use how old a page is. The variable is page_age.


  • The Arbitration Committee has resolved to perform a round of Checkuser and Oversight appointments. The usernames of all applicants will be shared with the Functionaries team, and they will be requested to assist in the vetting process. The deadline to submit an application is 23:59 UTC, 12 September, and the candidates that move forward will be published on-wiki for community comments on 18 September.

Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 23:23, 2 September 2018 (UTC)

Tech News: 2018-36[edit]

16:47, 3 September 2018 (UTC)

Portals WikiProject update #018, 04 Sept 2018[edit]

Bug hunt![edit]

As you know, portals are now supported by a number of new templates, which are in turn supported by some new Lua modules.

Those templates and modules are being put to the test, in the new portals that have been created since this WikiProject rebooted, plus a number of existing portals that have been revamped.

The new portals, and revamped ones, can be found at Category:Single-page portals.

Please browse the new portals at your leisure, and report any and all problems that you spot. Post bug and other portal problem reports at WT:WPPORTD. Please report bugs, quirks, awkward aspects, or anything weird or off that you notice. Compliments and suggestions are also welcome. :)

When you report a bug, please indicate the portal's name, the section that the problem appeared in, and the name of the article appearing (first) in the section with the problem. Most problems will likely be encountered in the Selected general articles" section, due to quirks in a displayed article's wikicode that the lua modules don't handle yet. Your help in spotting those is of utmost value. Thank you.

Don't delete portal subpages just yet[edit]

For portals that have been converted to the single-page design, we are not deleting their subpages at this time, because we are working on ways to harvest the data from those pages. For example, the Selected picture subpages include filenames and captions that would be valuable for the image slideshows. Please don't delete portal subpages, for now. They'll be slated for d-batch speedy deletion after harvesting. Thank you.

Development notes[edit]

We are currently testing a feature added to {{Transclude files as random slideshow}} that allows it to accept both sourcepages and filenames. Courtesy of Evad37. This will pave the way for harvesting files and their captions from portal subpages, for use in image slideshows.

We need your help[edit]

The bulk of the work is being done by a handful of editors. But we can't do it all. We need help with spotting bugs, refining the search parameters in new/revamped portals (in the "Did you know..." and "In the news" sections), adding images to slideshows for a broader selection (they default to showing the images on the root article page but are capable of showing so much more), adding panoramic pictures at the top of the intro section of region portals (cities, counties, states, provinces, countries, continents, and other regions), to name but a few task types.

It is rewarding to be a part of the growing portal phenomenon. And you get to see its expansion and refinement up close.

Feel free to join in on the fun. ;)

Thank you,    — The Transhumanist   06:54, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

And that's why I couldn't do TEAHOUSE[edit]

File:Teahouse Barnstar Hires.png CC BY-SA 3.0 Heather Walls Teahouse Barnstar

Your work in the Teahouse yesterday - that's truly phenomenal and at least this work shouldn't go unrecognised Nosebagbear (talk) 23:19, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

Re Fred Viner[edit]

My sources are from Ancestry, so birth registration and the Census returns. What would be the best way to reference these?

Andy Scott (talk) 08:25, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

Hi, AndyScott. You're going to have a bit of a problem, with the Fred Viner article I fear. I don't think is regarded as a Reliable Source, whilst original archives like birth certificates, unless published on a reliable non-user-edited website, can't really be used, though I might use a simple footnote to explain the source of birth certificate information and not worry too much about relative trivia.
Archives like these are incidental to the absolute need to establish Notability, which your article still doesn't (see WP:ARTIST). If you could encourage Richmond Art Gallery to publish a biography of him on their website, you might have a chance to cite at least one reliable source about him. To prevent the article being put to a deletion discussion, it might be best if I were to convert it back to a draft for you (?) Or you could keep it in your sandbox to work on until such time as you can show how he meets the criteria. (The former, if unedited for 6 months will be deleted, whilst the latter route can stay there as long as you want it). I was reminded of a local Derby artist whose works are in the Museum I used to be employed at (- see Ernest Townsend). Take a look at that article and see if there's any approach taken there that you can follow. If Viner didn't exhibit at major galleries, or was not recognised in some other way, I suspect he'll just remain one of those competent local artists who won't warrant an article here. Sorry about that. Nick Moyes (talk) 09:32, 6 September 2018 (UTC)


Welcome, Thank you for following the teahouse. Regards Chickeo 09:30, 14 september 2018 (UTC)

@Chickeo: You're welcome. I've been a host at the Teahouse for nearly a year, and am happy to help or advise others. (I also welcome being helped whenever I get stuck, too!) I sense that you probably already know how to edit here, but haven't yet made any edits to articles. Maybe you've done that under another username before? (I was confused by your first edit relating to being blocked). Either way, I'd suggest you create your userpage and just say a couple of lines about your interests and plans to edit here. And then try your hand at making minor edits to articles that interest you (like grammar or spelling corrections/precising/adding references etc.) I'll keep an eye on your first few contributions and let you know how you're doing, if you like. Do have a go at The Wikipedia Adventure, which is a fun interactive way to learn the basics of contributing here, and there are 15 badges to collect along the way. (They automatically get added to your userpage, with a welcome message posted on your talkpage, too).
It is worth me just adding that, in the event that you created this account to avoid a 12 hour block on another account, that would be a real mistake. Avoiding blocks by using another account is regarded quite dimly here, and can lead to permanent blocks to all accounts, and it's worth just sitting things out. Operating two accounts at once is not an acceptable practice, I'm afraid. Best wishes, Nick Moyes (talk) 10:00, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

Thank you and welcome. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chickeo (talkcontribs) 10:04, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

Stop using bad language[edit]

The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

Maybe I have not seen that page that doesn't mean I am blind.Stop accusing people.How would you feel if I call you blind?Do not use bad language.Kigagan (talk) 13:05, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

Hey, Kigagan. Chill, my friend. Me saying Maybe you have biscuit-blindness? was my failed attempt at being humorous with you at the Teahouse. It clearly backfired, so as I've obviously offended you by that, I'm only too happy to apologise. Sorry. Would you like me to 'strike' out my comment to you, which is the Wikipedia way of retracting something said? Just let me know. (I must confess that I don't know why you accuse me of using 'bad language' - normally we take that phrase to mean offensive or obscene words, which I most definitely did not deploy, nor would it be appropriate for any Teahouse host to use.) The offer to send you that shed-load of additional helpful links to get you started still stands - again, just let me know. Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 15:10, 17 September 2018 (UTC)
This editor has been blocked as a sock puppet. Nick Moyes (talk) 20:34, 18 September 2018 (UTC)

AWB task request: please help with the backlog[edit]


If you have AWB laying around, please dust it off and crank it up! ;)

We have a growing backlog!

There are now 3,585 portals. Of those, 2,179 are of the new design.

Many of the new portals are orphaned or near orphaned, and need links pointing to them:

  1. A portal link at the bottom of corresponding navigation footer template. E.g., Template:Machines for Portal:Machines. See examples of a portals link at the bottom of Template:Robotics and Template:Forestry.
  2. A {{Portal}} box in the See also section of the corresponding root article for each portal. If there is no See also section, create one and place the portal template in that. (Rather than placing them in an external links section -- they're not external links).
  3. A {{Portal}} template placed at the top of the category page corresponding to each portal.

To make a list of corresponding templates, you can use AWB's make list feature to make a list of the pages in Category:Single-page portals. Then you copy that list to a sandbox, and replace \nPortal: with ]]\n* [[Template:, using WP:wikEd. That will give you a list of templates to work on. Then you set skip in AWB to skip the ones that already have the portal link.

To make a list of corresponding root articles, make a list of portal links, and then remove "Portal:" from the links.

To make a list of category links to process, make sure you use a leading colon (:) in the category links, like this: [[:Category:Blue Öyster Cult]].

All new and revamped portals can be found at Category:Single-page portals.

Thank you.    — The Transhumanist   20:44, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

NPR Newsletter No.13 18 September 2018[edit]

Hello Nick Moyes, thank you for your work reviewing New Pages!

The New Page Feed currently has 2700 unreviewed articles, up from just 500 at the start of July. For a while we were falling behind by an average of about 40 articles per day, but we have stabilised more recently. Please review some articles from the back of the queue if you can (Sort by: 'Oldest' at Special:NewPagesFeed), as we are very close to having articles older than one month.

Project news
As part of this project, the feed will have some larger updates to functionality next month. Specifically, ORES predictions will be built in, which will automatically flag articles for potential issues such as vandalism or spam. Copyright violation detection will also be added to the new page feed. See the projects's talk page for more info.
Moving to Draft and Page Mover
  • Some unsuitable new articles can be best reviewed by moving them to the draft space, but reviewers need to do this carefully and sparingly. It is most useful for topics that look like they might have promise, but where the article as written would be unlikely to survive AfD. If the article can be easily fixed, or if the only issue is a lack of sourcing that is easily accessible, tagging or adding sources yourself is preferable. If sources do not appear to be available and the topic does not appear to be notable, tagging for deletion is preferable (PROD/AfD/CSD as appropriate). See additional guidance at WP:DRAFTIFY.
  • If the user moves the draft back to mainspace, or recreates it in mainspace, please do not re-draftify the article (although swapping it to maintain the page history may be advisable in the case of copy-paste moves). AfC is optional except for editors with a clear conflict of interest.
  • Articles that have been created in contravention of our paid-editing-requirements or written from a blatant NPOV perspective, or by authors with a clear COI might also be draftified at discretion.
  • The best tool for draftification is User:Evad37/MoveToDraft.js(info). Kindly adapt the text in the dialogue-pop-up as necessary (the default can also be changed like this). Note that if you do not have the Page Mover userright, the redirect from main will be automatically tagged as CSD R2, but in some cases it might be better to make this a redirect to a different page instead.
  • The Page Mover userright can be useful for New Page Reviewers; occasionally page swapping is needed during NPR activities, and it helps avoid excessive R2 nominations which must be processed by admins. Note that the Page Mover userright has higher requirements than the NPR userright, and is generally given to users active at Requested Moves. Only reviewers who are very experienced and are also very active reviewers are likely to be granted it solely for NPP activities.
List of other useful scripts for New Page Reviewing

  • Twinkle provides a lot of the same functionality as the page curation tools, and some reviewers prefer to use the Twinkle tools for some/all tasks. It can be activated simply in the gadgets section of 'preferences'. There are also a lot of options available at the Twinkle preferences panel after you install the gadget.
  • In terms of other gadgets for NPR, HotCat is worth turning on. It allows you to easily add, remove, and change categories on a page, with name suggestions.
  • MoreMenu also adds a bunch of very useful links for diagnosing and fixing page issues.
  • User:Equazcion/ScriptInstaller.js(info): Installing scripts doesn't have to be complicated. Go to your common.js and copy importScript( 'User:Equazcion/ScriptInstaller.js' ); into an empty line, now you can install all other scripts with the click of a button from the script page! (Note you need to be at the ".js" page for the script for the install button to appear, not the information page)
  • User:TheJosh/Scripts/NewPagePatrol.js(info): Creates a scrolling new pages list at the left side of the page. You can change the number of pages shown by adding the following to the next line on your common.js page (immediately after the line importing this script): npp_num_pages=20; (Recommended 20, but you can use any number from 1 to 50).
  • User:Primefac/revdel.js(info): Is requesting revdel complicated and time consuming? This script helps simplify the process. Just have the Copyvio source URL and go to the history page and collect your diff IDs and you can drop them into the script Popups and it will create a revdel request for you.
  • User:Lourdes/PageCuration.js(info): Creates a "Page Curation" link to Special:NewPagesFeed up near your sandbox link.
  • User:Writ Keeper/Scripts/deletionFinder.js: Creates links next to the title of each page which show up if it has been previously deleted or nominated for deletion.
  • User:Evad37/rater.js(info): A fantastic tool for adding WikiProject templates to article talk pages. If you add: rater_autostartNamespaces = 0; to the next line on your common.js, the prompt will pop up automatically if a page has no Wikiproject templates on the talk page (note: this can be a bit annoying if you review redirects or dab pages commonly).

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Nothing really[edit]

1. The 2605.IP sounds the same as the guy further up the page (Teahouse).

2. I did change back an edit from 3 years ago, but it was 10 paragraphs in; not like the Madonna one. I’d still rather report, and let someone “higher up” fix it.

3. Long Answer! Thanks.

4. Pink Floyd fan? I l-o-o-o-v-e Interstellar Overdrive. MBG02 (talk) 09:25, 18 September 2018 (UTC)

Hi MBG02. You're welcome. Yep, 2605 seems to me trying to insinuate themselves everywhere at the moment, often with poor advice, sadly. You shouldn't be afraid of correcting things that seem wrong to you. Just leave a brief edit summary and even if you've messed it up, it'll be appreciated that your edits are in good faith. That said, if you want someone to correct a page you're wary of altering, it's best to raise it on the article's talk page - though the Teahouse is always there to offer you reassurance or guidance. I'm afraid some of my answers can indeed get a bit lengthy - but I try to assist as best I can. Shorter answers come from my mobile; those longer ones with accidental double spaces in the text are from my ageing laptop and naff keyboard. Pink Floyd - well, whilst not a mega-fan, I have always loved them, since sitting in my uni dormitory in the late 1970s, listening to Echoes, my mind envisaging ancient flying creatures soaring high over desolate Martian landscapes and reddening sunsets. And not a drug in sight! Cheers, Nick Moyes (talk) 22:16, 18 September 2018 (UTC)

"Looking to hire a Pro to teach me 1 on 1" - your Teahouse reply[edit]

Hello Nick, just checking but did you miss a "not" in your last sentence of this Teahouse post by chance? "... it's good that you have your own website to promote yourself, as that's most definitely [not] what Wikipedia is here to do ..." seems the intended meaning - or my non-native English failed me once again :). I'd fix it myself, but usually try to avoid any changes in meaning of other editors' posts. GermanJoe (talk) 22:34, 20 September 2018 (UTC)

@GermanJoe: Thank you so much for this note. Yes, total cock-up that I hadn't spotted in that tiny omission. I hope the editor was out singing for Donald Trump or someone and hadn't already read it! Now fixed. Vielen Dank! Nick Moyes (talk) 22:44, 20 September 2018 (UTC)  

Help request[edit]

HELLO NICK!!!! I am new on Wikipedia and pretty sure you are the best editor to support me in creating a new article. In your description you told you would love to work with woman and write a woman's biography. That's really perfect to me !!!I would appreciate if you could write me an E-Mail to : Gonna update you with futher details. Thanks in advance. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Munichlife (talkcontribs)