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AWB and dates[edit]

Hi Nihonjoe, I saw your message to Colonies Chris. Spot on. We have many pages which do this knid of linking, including the "Main Page" of all things. Every day article (which is analagous to the portal pages he's changing) is similar too, e.g. May 2, so presumably those will all be next in this automated sweep of delinking and date format changes. The Rambling Man (talk) 15:24, 2 May 2017 (UTC)

@The Rambling Man: Perhaps a discussion needs to be started somewhere to discuss this issue (Village pump? Not sure where...). I can understand not going crazy with the links, but I think some people are taking the guidelines far too literally, and not allowing for specialty pages such as the date-specific pages on portals. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 15:27, 2 May 2017 (UTC)
Yes, that's precisely the problem. Understanding the context is vital in these situations and it seems apparent that it's not happening. Chris has asked me not to engage with him as I've found many of his AWB-based sessions unhelpful, and told him so, yet he continues. The Rambling Man (talk) 15:37, 2 May 2017 (UTC)
@The Rambling Man: Where would you suggest the discussion be held? I can start one. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 16:32, 2 May 2017 (UTC)
@The Rambling Man: Well, now he's edit warring and reverting my changes. I started a discussion here. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 17:25, 2 May 2017 (UTC)

Japan Medical Association Journal & Japan Medical Association[edit]

Hi Nihonjoe, Thank you for looking over the content changes on the Japan Medical Association article. I look over the timely editing you do after I have expanded the content, and try and learn a what I can from your example. I feel that is helpful for my learning (thanks for your patience with me), and the process feels collaborative as well. I have two things I'd like to ask of you when you have time:

1) I've added a lot of secondary sources to the Japan Medical Association and would like some feedback about how to improve the article further. Do you think the article meets the criteria for B or higher? I've delved deeper into the research than I thought I would, so think I need some guidance in case I'm overemersed in the content.

2) I've also been working on an article for the Japan Medical Association Journal. Would you please cast your eye over this article as well? This article was harder to write than I thought but I'm not sure it can be improved much more.

I appreciate your ongoing support

Dr.khatmando (talk) 22:56, 2 May 2017 (UTC)

using my name[edit]

(original post removed by the editor who placed it.)

Please do not make legal threats. You have a direct connection to the Central Terminal Restoration Corporation by your own admission. This is required to be noted on any articles connected to that group. The notice is not a warning, but simply advising other editors so they are aware of the connection. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 22:29, 3 May 2017 (UTC)
Also, I didn't put your name on the page. Rather, I placed the usernames of the two obviously-connected editors in the notice. The usernames are clearly visible in the history of that page. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 22:52, 3 May 2017 (UTC)

Thank you.[edit]

Thank you for lifting the block on me. I will endeavor to be a proper editor. I have a question. According to the notice on the terminal talk page I am advised not to edit the article. I wish the warning would be removed and I would be able to edit with proper information according to Wikipedia guide lines. If I can not then it seems useless to have an account. What do you suggest I do if I can not be a contributor? Sparky1997 (talk) 06:08, 4 May 2017 (UTC)

@Sparky1997: The conflict of interest guideline very strongly suggests that you do not edit articles on topics with which you have a close connection. That is the case with the Buffalo Central Terminal article. You are welcome to make suggestions on the talk page if you wish to take that course. You are also welcome to edit other articles, too. There are 5,429,910 articles on Wikipedia, so surely there are others that might interest you, too. If you want suggestions, you are welcome use the SuggestBot to get suggestions on other articles which might interest you.
Regarding the notice (it's not a warning) on Talk:Buffalo Central Terminal, that will remain there because it's important to note when editors may have a conflict of interest when editing specific articles. You're welcome to follow the suggestion I gave you when unblocking your account if you wish for the other account to be renamed to something else. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 07:28, 4 May 2017 (UTC)


Hi Nihonjoe! I'm just wondering why you softblocked Indainstitute after they placed a copyvio advertisement at their userpage. Common practice is certainly hardblock with possible copyvio warning. I am concerned that the user will simply register a new account and place the same content at Wikipedia again. I must be missing something obvious. Best, Anna Frodesiak (talk) 08:34, 4 May 2017 (UTC)

Because I tend to give people the benefit of the doubt. It's likely they own the copyvio text, so while it's a copyvio per our rules, it's not technically a copyvio. My guess is that they just don't know our rules. If they reregister, we can then hardblock them. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 16:09, 4 May 2017 (UTC)
Hi Nihonjoe. I understand about the copyvio aspect. But the user still got no information about undeclared paid editing, conflict of interest, or using Wikipedia for advertising.
I am not trying to be disrespectful. I defer to your long experience at the project. I am posting here to know how I can do things better. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 23:42, 4 May 2017 (UTC)
They got information about at least some of those things in the notice above the block notice. I saw no reason to duplicate. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 04:48, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
Fair enough, my friend. Thank you! :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 05:05, 5 May 2017 (UTC)

Re: May 2017[edit]

Sorry for these rough edits. I intended to remove seemingly uninformative/misleading materials from the pages and added new pictures that I find constructive. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dr.Koo (talkcontribs) 19:39, 4 May 2017 (UTC)

@Dr.Koo: I can understand. Please discuss the exact changes you wish to make on the talk pages of the articles so that consensus can be reached. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 19:47, 4 May 2017 (UTC)

real name[edit]

Hi Nihonjoe,

I thank you for all your help. I have changed my user name to Vol2017. I hope it is ok I replaced my real name with Vol2017 on the terminal talk page in the box where I am listed as personally involved with the terminal. I also removed my inappropriate statement from your talk page. I understand the rules now. I will be an appropriate editor from now on. Again thank you for you help and understanding. Vol2017 (talk) 16:02, 5 May 2017 (UTC)

Sounds good. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 18:58, 5 May 2017 (UTC)

DYK for Roots of Knowledge[edit]

Updated DYK query.svg On 6 May 2017, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Roots of Knowledge, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that over 60,000 pieces of stained glass were used to create the Roots of Knowledge installation at Utah Valley University? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Roots of Knowledge. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Roots of Knowledge), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 05:04, 6 May 2017 (UTC)

DYK for Japan Medical Association[edit]

Updated DYK query.svg On 14 May 2017, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Japan Medical Association, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the Japan Medical Association deployed 6,054 medical and support personnel during the 2011 Tōhoku earthquake and tsunami? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Japan Medical Association. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Japan Medical Association), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
Mifter (talk) 03:54, 14 May 2017 (UTC)


What doesn't appear constructive is the coordinates for the Republic of Ezo taking me to the Czech Republic. Read what I edited dumb fuck. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rossticles (talkcontribs) 19:14, 19 May 2017‎ (UTC)

Please keep the discussion on your talk page so there's no confusion. Also, please don't attack other editors. I'll reply on your talk page. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 19:18, 19 May 2017 (UTC)

You've got mail[edit]

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Tamwin (talk) 04:56, 22 May 2017 (UTC)

@Tamwin: I left a note on their talk page. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 05:37, 22 May 2017 (UTC)

13 Assassins (2011 film)[edit]

Hello, you seem to be fluent in Japanese and I was wondering if you could help me provide the Nihongo translation of the characters' names of that film article? Thanks in advance. Bluesphere 17:39, 22 May 2017 (UTC)

@Bluesphere: You mean the 2010 film? I can't find one from 2011. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 18:10, 22 May 2017 (UTC)
Also, what do you mean by "the Nihongo translation of the characters' names"? Generally, we don't translate the meaning of Japanese names. Are you wanting names transliterated (romanized)? It looks like there is already a decent character cast section in the article. Is there more that should be there? ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 18:15, 22 May 2017 (UTC)

Question relating to unblock request[edit]

There is an unblock request at User talk:Arsenbrin, relating to a block which you imposed a little over a year ago. Would you care to express an opinion about the request? The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 10:20, 29 May 2017 (UTC)

Thanks. I replied there. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 17:12, 29 May 2017 (UTC)

Artist Page[edit]

Hi I would just like to ask about your reasoning for requesting the deletion of the Gabriel Garzón-Montano page on basis of significance and ask if there is anything I can do to fix or request your reconsideration of the deletion. The artist is significantly prominent with an avid following of 10 million spotify plays and collaborations with artists such as Lenny Kravitz, Drake, and significant media coverage. Among google searches, his wikipedia page was one of the more frequently searched. A previous page pertaining to his info appeared to copy mostly info directly from press releases through his label and images, but my version now been completely unique and independent content. Thank you for your consideration! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jokerinthemarketplace (talkcontribs) 20:31, 29 May 2017 (UTC)

Ah, back as a sock. I didn't request the deletion. You've now been blocked. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 20:40, 29 May 2017 (UTC)

Comment about a block[edit]

I see that you blocked Jokerinthemarketplace as a sockpuppet of Artassociates. However, Artassociates had been given a "softerblock", and a block notice which explicitly said "please take a moment to create a new account with a username that represents only yourself as an individual and which complies with our username policy". There is therefore no abuse of multiple accounts, and your sockpuppetry block was clearly a mistake. Since it was unambiguously a mistake the account should be unblocked, but i thought it best to consult you rather than just going ahead and unblocking. (Note that this is without prejudice against any future block for any reason other than sockpuppetry of Artassociates.) The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 20:55, 29 May 2017 (UTC)

@JamesBWatson: The abuse comes through immediately recreating the previously-deleted article Gabriel Garzón-Montano that had been created by Artassociates. Artassociates has been changed to a hard block, too (before you posted this). ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 20:57, 29 May 2017 (UTC)
Also, Jokerinthemarketplace was created before I originally blocked Artassociates. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 20:59, 29 May 2017 (UTC)
OK, blocking for re-creating a deleted unsuitable article may be justifiable, but that does not constitute blocking for abuse of multiple accounts under the circumstances. Changing the block on the original account does not retrospectively change legitimate use of another account into sockpuppetry. I also don't see how an editor who has been given permission to create another account can be faulted for instead switching to an existing alternative account. (Of course, the alternative account may have been created with a view to illegitimate purposes, but we cannot assume that in the absence of evidence of bad faith, and even if it was we block for abuse of multiple accounts, not for contemplating abuse of multiple accounts.) I really don't see any way of justifying calling this a block for sockpuppetry. The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 21:10, 29 May 2017 (UTC)
I've recently requested a block as this is a promo only account. Legacypac (talk) 21:02, 29 May 2017 (UTC)
I have no problem with that at all, and I might well have done it myself. The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 21:10, 29 May 2017 (UTC)

Account Deleted[edit]

Hello @NihonJoe the page Octopizzo appears deleted by you as a result of my edits and username,am very sorry to use the same username as the page and I've already changed my username, I would like to request you help in reriving back the page Octopizzo as I didnt know that using the name "octopizzo" was bad and my apologies on that. And also help me edit out any other reasons that may have cause the deletion be it spelling mistakes or links that are not needed. Thanks in dvance

Pwezak — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pwezak (talkcontribs) 08:39, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

@Pwezak: No accounts have been deleted. Rather, the article Octopizzo was deleted because it was nothing but a marketing piece. You are welcome to go to Wikipedia:Articles for creation and follow the directions there in order to get help creating a page that is not pure marketing. The page will not be recreated any other way. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 18:12, 1 June 2017 (UTC)

Portal:Current events[edit]

I see you changed the protection at Portal:Current events to be cascading. Since the protection is admin-only, this means non-admins can no longer edit the individual day pages. I think most of the edits to those pages are by normal editors, and I suspect the portal cannot survive with this level of protection. There's a question about it at Portal talk:Current events, feel free to reply either here or there.-gadfium 01:46, 2 June 2017 (UTC)

I replied there. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 06:46, 2 June 2017 (UTC)

You may have made a mistake about the reliable source I was using.[edit]

I was using the google source while typing in my facts on The Lorax film article. You may have made a mistake while you were thinking I wasn't using a reliable source. It's ok though, it's just confusing to find the right source to use for typing in facts on an article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by FactsSmart25 (talkcontribs) 02:59, 2 June 2017 (UTC)

@FactsSmart25: I don't know that I've ever edit The Lorax (film). If I have, it's been quite a while. You may be talking about Big Hero 6 (film), where I corrected your change to the runtime because the sources all disagreed with you. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 06:46, 2 June 2017 (UTC)

Incorrect deletion of Katfyr Article[edit]

Good morning Nihonjoe, I see that you have proceeded to delete the article for Katfyr, but this must have been an error. You stated the the decision is to "delete as the keep arguments failed to establish notability via multiple reliable sources," however multiple sources were included and I explained how these are relevant in my response at Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Katfyr. Since the comments in this AFD page are long and perhaps made the decision complicated for you, I have simplified it and added the comments below to make it easy for you to see the points. Kindly, please proceed to undelete the article.

Initially, the article had only 4 cited source at the time that it was moved into this board (for deletion within 1 week), and as a response I have added 5 new sources including 3 from the truly notable sites and, and this has been done to meet WP:MUSICBIO #1. Note that this artist falls within a specialized market and subculture, and therefore some of the sites offering reviews are also specialized and not well known. The inclusion of the well known music distributor "Beatport" and the anime/cultural exposition organization "Anime-Expo", and offering a total of 9 unbiased references should provide enough evidence about the validity of this artist. Nevertheless, thank you for allowing this improvement. pbigio (talk) 16:24, 4 May 2017 (UTC) In addition, to meet WP:MUSICBIO #5, I have included notable mention of Katfyr's multiple releases with major music labels in the EDM industry including Armada Music, UKF Music, Hypnotic Records, and FiXT_Music. I will continue working on this page during the weekend. — Preceding unsigned comment added by pbigio (talk • contribs) 220:43, 5 May 2017 (UTC) "Further additions" - Contesting the Proposed Deletion: Please note that I have added more notability items, including that the artist has made multiple releases, over 18 singles or EPs, via the notable electronic music distribution site Beatport. I have also added information about the artists' nationality, instruments used, and other biographical facts. pbigio (talk) 3:48, 6 May 2017 (UTC) At this point I clarify that for Katfyr notability, as per WP:MUSICBIO, has been addressed by including mention notable work along with reliable sources that have been added (including,,, and the website and youtube page for the company PreSonus Studio One. Examples of notable work added include his work with award winning Emma Hewitt and then releasing the associated remixes through Armada Music. The reliable source for this is the links to the Beatport music distribution website. This aspect of notability occurs twice, first with Emma Hewitt's Foolish Boy and then with the song "Rewind." Another example of notable work include the fact that Katfyr was able to reach position number 1 in the Beatport Dubstep Charts in May 2014 with his original song "Lose Control", which meets WP:MUSICBIO #7. For this point, I have also included more reliable sources have been added since the first one was simply a website that tracks Beatport charts, in addition mention has been added to the website for the company that makes PreSonus Studio One which includes many links to videos and other articles which also mention the fact that Katfyr did indeed reach position number 1 on the dubstep charts in Beatport. Another example of notability, which meets WP:MUSICBIO #10 for inclusion in a notable compilation, I have added the work Katfyr did in two music compilations by World-Touring band Celldweller, and released through the well known record label FiXT_Music. Lastly, there has been the addition of a full discography which shows at least 18 different releases that are present on the website. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pbigio (talkcontribs) 12:54, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

@Pbigio: Sorry, but I disagree that the sources were enough to establish notability, and those participating in the discussion disagree with you as well. The consensus at the discussion was that the sources in the article failed to establish notability, so I was required to close it per that consensus. If you think I misread that consensus, you are welcome to start a discussion at WP:DRV. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 14:27, 5 June 2017 (UTC)
OK this is not a problem for me. But it must be here noted that the consensus did not follow the rules stated on the AFD, where the points must be clearly addressed, and it is not a voting contest. In this case you are agreeing with a consensus that was based on people simply saying they want the article to be deleted without providing any solid proof for their argument. Pbigio (talk) 15:04, 5 June 2017 (UTC)
@Pbigio: No, I reviewed all of the comments left there, and the consensus was clearly to delete the article. It was not simply a vote count, so get off your high horse and stop accusing me of not knowing how AFD works. I've been here for nearly 12 years, and 11 of those years I've been an admin. I know how the various processes work. Obviously, you disagree, and you argued as much in the discussion (as well as in your unreadable wall of text here...please learn how to use paragraphs). However, discussions don't always go your way (I've certainly participated in many discussions that didn't end my preferred way). If you want to argue that I misjudged the consensus, you're welcome to open a discussion at WP:DRV. I'm not going to change my decision here. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 15:36, 5 June 2017 (UTC)
Please note that I don't appreciate your cheap shots here, and I do not see a clear reason for you to take those shots other than to provoke another response from me. Either way instead, please consider that the AFD process is not being managed correctly. Regards. Pbigio (talk) 16:34, 5 June 2017 (UTC)
@Pbigio: There were no cheap shots made. You seriously need to learn to use paragraphs to make what you write more readable. And AFD is being managed just fine. As I've stated three times now, I'm not changing my decision as there is no valid reason to do so. If you don't like that, please take it to WP:DRV. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 16:45, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

Nominated for Deletion: Irish Progressive Services International[edit]

Hi Nihonjoe, Just noticed that you marked the page Irish Progressive Services international for deletion. Can you give some context to the reason why and I will happy adjust the article? Apologies but I cant see any tags indicating the issue. thanks, CM ireland (talk) 08:10, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

Please see the discussion where all of this is discussed. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 16:24, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

Islamic Political Science Mafia[edit]

Hey there, just a heads up I changed the block you had on this user from the softblock for their username, to a hardblock for WP:NOTHERE. Looking at their edits, it was pretty clear what they were doing (and I don't think this was an organization they were "representing"). RickinBaltimore (talk) 17:23, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

@RickinBaltimore: Sounds good. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 17:28, 6 June 2017 (UTC)


Hello Nihonjoe, I am a new editor and was working on my skills on the page United Nations Department of Management Sadly it seems you deleted the page and I have no idea on how to bring it back and make it better. I am not sure weather or not the page was in contrast to the 'criteria for speedy deletion' G12, because I can not see what was on the page anymore (as it is deleted) This is probably a case of me not knowing some rules for this page and would be happy to learn them! Kb10r (talk) 16:51, 9 June 2017 (UTC)

@Kb10r: It was deleted because it was an "unambiguous copyright infringement of ". ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 16:53, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
@Nihonjoe: Well could I try to make it better? Kb10r (talk) 17:16, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
You're welcome to make one at User:Kb10r/United Nations Department of Management. Just don't copy the article from somewhere else. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 19:35, 9 June 2017 (UTC)

Blond vs Blonde[edit]

(copied from here to give context)
Both "blonde" and "blond" can be either an adjective or a noun per any number of dictionaries. They are variants of each other. Your edits to change them to your preferred version constitute edit warring, and you need to stop. Regarding the content of the edits, please do not make edits where you are only changing the spelling of a word when both are perfectly acceptable. If you really want to change them, take the discussion to the talk page and gain consensus for your change. Any further changes like this may result in your being blocked from editing. Editing on Wikipedia must be done by consensus, especially when people obviously disagreee with what you want to do. Thank you. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 15:58, 9 June 2017 (UTC)

Please see here: "Blonde" as an adjective is a common mistake but not an equally acceptable word, and I do not appreciate your accusation of edit warring or threat of blocking. And if they had been equally acceptable, you shouldn't care that I change it, either.
Also here: "Blonde" can be an adjective in British English, but not American English. The article uses the American "Neighborhood" rather than the British "Neighbourhood", for example, and the official Wikipedia guideline is to have grammar be consistently either British or American in the same article. -- Noneofyourbusiness (talk) 17:24, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
@Noneofyourbusiness: Sorry, but blogs can't be used to clarify things like that. Merriam-Webster, on the other hand, can. Note that at the very top it states that "blonde" is a variant of "blond". Also note that the definition specifically states that it is "spelled blond when used of a boy or man and often blonde when used of a girl or woman". ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 19:38, 9 June 2017 (UTC)

Deletion of TrustATrader Page[edit]

Hello, I see you are the editor who deleted the TrustATrader page I submitted for, according to the notes, advertising. Are you able to give me some more specifics as to which parts of the article were deemed as advertising? I was very careful to make sure all of the sources used are reliable and that the information provided regarding TrustATrader was purely factual. Is the reason for deletion the mention of other brands in the TrustATrader group? I hope you can give me some clarity as to exactly why the article was rejected, in more detail, so I can make the necessary changes in order to successfully resubmit. Perhaps you would be able to give me some advice as to the sections of the article that need work in order for it to be accepted. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JosephCaley (talkcontribs) 12:37, 12 June 2017‎ (UTC)

@JosephCaley: The article was written like marketing copy, something more appropriate for the TrustATrader website than Wikipedia. Wikipedia is not a venue for advertising. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 18:44, 12 June 2017 (UTC)
@Nihonjoe: Are you able to specify in more details which parts of the TrustATrader were deemed as advertising? I was very careful of the sources I used and how the article was written, in order to be as encyclopedic and possible. Please do specify so I can work on the article and resubmit. Thank you. — Preceding JosephCaley comment added by JosephCaley (talkcontribs) 09:30, 14 June 2017‎ (UTC)
@JosephCaley: The {{re}} template doesn't need to be used on my page since I'll be notified of any posts to this page anyway. As for the TrustATrader page, the article was like something you'd find on the company website rather than in an encyclopedia. It explained how to use the service, listed off all the different services it offered, and did so using language that was more marketing-oriented than what you would find in an encyclopedia. You might also ask Theroadislong since he was the one who declined the submission to WP:AFC. He might have further insight into that. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 20:09, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
My apologies for using the incorrect tag. Thank you for your feedback, I shall look at the article again and resubmit once edited. — Preceding JosephCaley comment added by JosephCaley (talkcontribs) 09:30, 14 June 2017‎ (UTC)
@JosephCaley: Not a problem. I figure you might not be aware of that, since you're fairly new to Wikipedia. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 18:13, 15 June 2017 (UTC)


Please stop editing out iSorrowProductions as not relevant in referencing Slough in his videos. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 16:47, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

It's not relevant to the article on Slough. Referencing some place in a video doesn't make that mention relevant to the place referenced. Stop spamming your video productions. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 20:04, 14 June 2017 (UTC)


This is pointless. Go bother someone else. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 16:48, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

You can of course feel write to talk to me at the article talk page, but as I noted, I will not be interacting with you further there. Jytdog (talk) 06:13, 16 June 2017 (UTC)

@Jytdog: Well, that's a really good way to get things accomplished. If you can't be bothered to respond, then please leave the page alone. Communication is key to getting things done around here, and if you can;t handle a little heated discussion, then perhaps Wikipedia is not the right place for you. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 06:17, 16 June 2017 (UTC)
Yeah I thought about that. In our brief interaction you have induced rage in me, and that is very hard to do. I have over 100K edits and work on very controversial stuff. Your communication style is overly aggressive and much of what you have written on the talk page is simply wrong. The thing about censorship of the library not belonging on the library page is one of the most ridiculous things I have read in a long time in WP. And I deal with some real freakshows. Jytdog (talk) 06:24, 16 June 2017 (UTC)
@Jytdog: Yes, sometimes I can come across as aggressive or blunt. I don't mean to, but it is what it is. Sorry. As for censorship of the library, I have no idea what you're talking about. I never said anything about censorship of the library not belonging. For the parts where I did mention censorship, I suggested you add the information (since you've already done some research, it seems). The only thing I said didn't belong there was academic freedom at BYU (which would be better addressed at the main university article) and that all employees enforce the honor code, so there's no reason to single out librarians for doing it. How is that at all ridiculous? ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 06:32, 16 June 2017 (UTC)
I thought about how to turn this interaction around. I get criticized for being blunt too and I understand the value of being direct. If you were writing sensible things I would work through the style. Example. At the talk page you wrote Academic freedom at BYU: Since this article is about the library at BYU, not BYU itself, it seems that would be better addressed at Brigham Young University, not here.. With regard to the library, academic freedom = what books are present or absent = censorship or not, which is what I went into later in the comments I made - the first lines in the comment were just kind of a LEAD. Part of the purpose of providing the WL to Academic freedom at Brigham Young University was to make it clear that it is a notable (for WP) topic for the university so is likely to be for the library as well. From my perspective your response was simply wrong at worst or just thoughtless at best, yet stated so bluntly. Rage inducing for me. I deleted several blunt responses before I noted I would be responding here.
You also don't seem to be aware that the GLAM program at the library does not appear to be going well - both the student workers and the lead person appear to spend their time mostly promoting the library, and people have had to spend time cleaning up spammed ELs from them across many articles. GLAM editors live right on the edge of the bad kind of COI, and when GLAM editors go wrong it is awkward and difficult. Kind of like how classes under the education program go awry sometimes. But I have been pondering how to deal with the larger picture. They have a big digital collection and if they could get better aligned to using that to support the mission more broadly it would be a boon. But I am also a bit worried about pushback from them on getting some of the difficult topics into the article. I was not counting on somebody supposedly neutral showing up and writing "everything is fine" so authoritatively nor dressing me down in front of them. You have made the work I have before me on the larger issues around this GLAM program harder, and that is also frustrating. I may not even do it since the ground under me is eroded there now by you calling my statement a "complete falsehood" and your writing "It's (again) good.". An article that fails NPOV - that has nothing difficult in it - is not "good". Argh.
But back to our little tangle. As I said I am trying to not let my buttons get pushed. If you are interested in the topic I guess we will be interacting but I am going to keep that to a minimum. Please be aware that I try not to write thoughtless things in WP, ever. I am wrong sometimes, sure. And I can hear that. But I will probably just not respond to you sometimes. Jytdog (talk) 07:03, 16 June 2017 (UTC)
btw, when you did this move, did you merge the histories? I think you must have. Jytdog (talk) 07:22, 16 June 2017 (UTC)
@Jytdog: Yes, though I've been hiding various edits which introduced the copyvios. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 07:25, 16 June 2017 (UTC)
I think you may realise that I've also been concerned about these editors, although I don't recall that I'd noticed it was a GLAM program. Such programs should not be used to promote the institution the way these editors have been doing, and I for one would appreciate a comment from you about this. In case you don't know about the EL issue, the links were just to pages showing holdings, nothing that could possibly pass WP:EL and were work to clean up. Doug Weller talk 11:01, 16 June 2017 (UTC)
@Doug Weller: No, I didn't realize you were concerned because you've never told me you were concerned until now. All ELs should follow WP:EL. I've never said anything different, so I'm not sure why you "would appreciate a comment from you about this." If the ELs being added by the HBLL GLAM project are not appropriate, tell them, not me. I'm only listed there as available if they have any questions, and they do occasionally ask me questions. If you politely let Rachel Helps (BYU) know, I'm sure she'll talk to any of her people to make sure they are following the rules. She's very good about that. Wikipedia is a Byzantine labyrinth of policies and guidelines, so I can't fault someone for now knowing every single one of them by heart, or for interpreting them differently than someone else. JUst let them know. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 18:25, 16 June 2017 (UTC)
We're going to have to agree to disagree. I think she should have made them aware of when to link to the library and when not to link. Doug Weller talk 11:59, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
Hi Doug Weller and Jytdog. I try to follow the guidelines on Wikipedia:The Wikipedia Library/Cultural Professionals for linking to our collection. I was sick one day and my student picked up the task before I had a chance to properly explain it to her. In the future I won't be assigning my students to add links. It would be helpful to know which collections are inappropriate for linking--it is rather disappointing to link to a findingaid with no digital content (although sometimes they have helpful metadata). Can we talk about it on Wikipedia talk:The Wikipedia Library/Cultural Professionals? Also, adding external links to pages is not our main work. Usually we are expanding pages of people in our collections, and occasionally nominating them for DYK or GA. If you have more specific concerns, let's talk on my talk page.Rachel Helps (BYU) (talk) 15:29, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
Responded at the WLCP page. Doug Weller talk 17:43, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for acknowledging that you merged the histories. So the article when we were discussing it, was the product of one person with a COI per this diff that you had moved to mainspace. I would appreciate you striking the "complete falsehood" thing on the talk page and adding a note that clarifying that you merged the histories. The presence of that statement is not helpful in the bigger picture, as I noted above. If there was no larger picture I would just ignore it. Thanks. Jytdog (talk) 19:57, 16 June 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for responding in part. Jytdog (talk) 21:59, 16 June 2017 (UTC)
The part you asked to be struck has been struck since last night. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 22:00, 16 June 2017 (UTC)
So you did. So to recap, you moved the recreation of the article by 1 editor with a COI (diff) to mainspace and merged the history (diff), and you originally say that this is a "a complete falsehood" and even now say that this description was "inaccurate at best" (you have edited it extensively since you moved it, so now it is not true of the article). And you here call my attention to this tiny step back (diff). If that is the closest you can come to dealing with reality, that is a problem. An admin should not behave this way, even when they are INVOLVED as an editor. Jytdog (talk) 15:58, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
You're the one who asked me to do it when I'd already done it. I left it the way it was so people could see what you were even talking about. And I wasn't an involved editor until after that as I had never edited the page before this edit when I moved the rewrite. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 00:04, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
  • and about what you wrote here.
First that was inappropriate for an article Talk page.
More importantly, you seem to think that COI is something "evil" and that naming COI is smearing people. You also appear to be unaware of what humans tend to do, when they edit with a COI. What they tend to do when they edit is completely understandable and human, but it is generally not good for WP nor our content, which is why COI needs to be managed here (just like it is at any knowledge-publishing institution).
You have again spoken "bluntly" about things in a way that is significantly incorrect and you have ... complicated my efforts to address the problems at this article. Dealing with COI is already delicate (which is why I didn't just charge in and start making changes but instead started proposing things at the Talk page), and your "blunt" incorrectness is unhelpful. I am asking you now to stop doing this. Jytdog (talk) 16:45, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
How on Earth was it inappropriate? And how do you know what I think? You're obviously not a mind-reader since that is absolutely not what I think. Your efforts were blundering and unhelpful, and I've addressed all of the issues you raised. Yet you continue to whine and complain about things that have already been fixed. If you have a concern about the existing article, please bring it up over at Talk:Harold B. Lee Library, not here. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 00:04, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
"attack horse"?. I am writing here about your behavior, as this is the appropriate place to bring that. This appears to be failing. If you continue as you have been at the article Talk page, I will be taking things to the next level. Hopefully you will change your behavior and that will not be necessary. Jytdog (talk) 14:19, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

"Official" in a username[edit]

I saw you blocked Pranhakarofficial ‎ (talk · contribs) for a username violation. Given how common social media it is to have usernames exactly like that for individual use, I was surprised. Are you aware of this being discussed at any length? I'll take it to WT:U when I have the time. --Ronz (talk) 16:39, 17 June 2017 (UTC)

@Ronz: Because the username (with a typo ("n" instead of "b") was being promotional, and because the username implied usage by multiple people (being the "official" account and all), it was blocked. You're welcome to open a discussion at WP:U that discusses whether such shared-use account are acceptable, or whether being promotional is acceptable. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 21:23, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
In the case of Pranhakarofficial ‎, I agree the misspelling is cause for a block. My concern is associating "official" in a username as indicating it is a shared account. --Ronz (talk) 15:29, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
"Official" in the username often indicates usage by a marketing team. This is a very common reason to be blocked, especially if editing content that matches the other part of the username. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 16:44, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

Draft:Ivan Lam[edit]

Hi Nihonjoe,

In regards to the action you took in the subject above.

First of all, I would like to apologise for my carelessness, I did not realise that I was plagiarising from an existing text on another website.

As of now, I would like to have the page back up (if possible), as a draft so that it would be easier to work on it from there. I did not save anything of what I wrote previously in the page. If you are unable to perform my request, then I completely understand and I will start from scratch again.

However, I get this message when creating a new draft, and I am unsure of what it means. Hence, why I am contacting you.

Do hope that you can help.

Appreciate a swift response.

Sincerely, John — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wei-Ling wiki (talkcontribs) 03:35, 19 June 2017 (UTC)

@Wei-Ling wiki: It looks like you already have the page at Draft:Ivan Lam. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 05:12, 19 June 2017 (UTC)

@NihonJoe, yes. I just uploaded that. If I clicked 'watch this page', will I be getting a review from any editors? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wei-Ling wiki (talkcontribs) 06:58, 19 June 2017 (UTC)

@Wei-Ling wiki: Watching the page means it will be on your own Watchlist. It has no effect on whether anyone else looks at it or reviews it. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 16:45, 20 June 2017 (UTC)


This page probably should not be protected because all editnotices are already auto-"protected" so that only admins and template editors can edit. (talk) 17:19, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

@ It's my page, so it's protected. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 17:30, 24 June 2017 (UTC)