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Sno Balls[edit]

Hi Nikkimaria,

I have included the references in Sno Balls. I can see that you include things which have no references but delete posted by others even if they have some reference. Looks like double standards and unfair. Jayeshrchinchole (talk) 08:41, 14 February 2015 (UTC)

Merry New Year[edit]

Whatever beliefs you have, merry New Year! We all mark that with new calendars, whether we like it or not! Regards, Peacemaker67 (crack... thump) 14:43, 20 December 2014 (UTC)

Cheers! Nikkimaria (talk) 14:53, 20 December 2014 (UTC)

Olympic marmot[edit]

Hi Nikki, any chance you could do a source review for this article's FAC. Tks/cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 23:19, 20 December 2014 (UTC)

Delisting of anarchocapitalism from FA[edit]

Given that there was no consensus to delist, I'm curious as to your unilateral decision to delist it. What was the reasoning behind the unilateral move without consensus? - Knight of BAAWA (talk) 14:24, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

Hi Knight of BAAWA, the review was open for several months yet some of the concerns raised as early as July remain unaddressed, and many commenters in the FAR section suggested that FA status should be removed. All three of the reviewers who commented in the FARC section agreed that the article is not currently at FA quality. There are valid cleanup tags on the article and generally indications that it does not currently meet the Featured article criteria. I understand that you and JLMadrigal are upset with this conclusion, but the move was not unilateral - it was supported by both reviewer comments and by the current state of the article. You are welcome to renominate the article at FAC to regain its status, but I will tell you that with the article as it is now such a nomination would not be successful. Nikkimaria (talk) 14:54, 21 December 2014 (UTC)
There was no consensus to delist; that's the problem. Ergo, you unilaterally delisted it. - Knight of BAAWA (talk) 15:15, 21 December 2014 (UTC)
That's not the case. There was consensus and evidence that the article does not meet the FA criteria right now, which means that it should not have FA status. If you feel that it does meet the criteria, you can seek FA status at FAC. Nikkimaria (talk) 15:24, 21 December 2014 (UTC)
No, there was no consensus. I do not know what you were reading (and I mean that sincerely and without any malice), but there was no consensus to delist. If you feel there was, I would like to see it. But I read the whole shebang--and it's just not there. - Knight of BAAWA (talk) 18:04, 21 December 2014 (UTC)
Do you believe that the article as it stands meets the featured article criteria? Nikkimaria (talk) 21:01, 21 December 2014 (UTC)
I see that you did not show that there was a consensus to delist. Thank you for admitting that your decision was completely without consensus and was unilateral, for you would have provided the consensus if there was one. - Knight of BAAWA (talk) 13:26, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
As I indicated above, there was consensus that the article does not currently meet the FA criteria. If you believe it does, you may seek repromotion at FAC. Nikkimaria (talk) 13:55, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
As the page shows: there was no consensus. - Knight of BAAWA (talk) 13:26, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
I disagree, but this is getting us nowhere. If you truly believe the article should be featured, nominate it at FAC. Nikkimaria (talk) 14:09, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

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Cheers! Nikkimaria (talk) 14:09, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

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Hi Nikkimaria,

I am curious why you'd remove the BMETWIki and flag it as WP:ELNO when it. It falls under #12. Open wikis, except those with a substantial history of stability and a substantial number of editors. It doesnt mirro or fork Wikipedia. Please explain why in further detail. Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Virusunknown (talkcontribs)

Hi Virusunknown, WP:ELNO excludes open wikis that don't have a substantial number of editors - that one has had only four editors in the past year, including bots. Nikkimaria (talk) 02:44, 24 December 2014 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/Youth in South Africa[edit]

Nikkimaria, last week you pointed out close paraphrasing in this nomination: the professor fixed a couple of the issues the next day, and the student appears to have done a significant amount of editing the day after that to address these problems.

Can you please give this another check and see whether the close paraphrasing has all been addressed, or if there's enough work left to stop the nomination. (The professor appeared to be ready to withdraw the nomination, but if everything's been fixed, it seems a shame to do so.) Many thanks, and happy holidays. BlueMoonset (talk) 19:37, 24 December 2014 (UTC)

Not the best of news on that particular nom, but happy holidays nevertheless - thanks for your continued stellar work at DYK. Nikkimaria (talk) 20:51, 24 December 2014 (UTC)

Happy Holidays...[edit]

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and may the coming year bring peaceful melody accompanied by joyous harmony. 78.26 (spin me / revolutions) 19:39, 24 December 2014 (UTC)
To you as well! Nikkimaria (talk) 20:38, 24 December 2014 (UTC)

Merry Christmas[edit]

Cheers Victoria! Nikkimaria (talk) 00:06, 25 December 2014 (UTC)

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Happy Holidays[edit]

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Cheers Ealdgyth! Nikkimaria (talk) 00:10, 28 December 2014 (UTC)

A cookie for you![edit]

Choco chip cookie.png Thanks so much for fixing the dashes on Ohio State Buckeyes field hockey. Seeing that you have a script for fixing dashes, would you mind also fixing the dashes used on the other Big Ten Conference field hockey team articles? I created all of these articles, and I fear that I have misused dashes on all of them. Thanks in advance. Michael Barera (talk) 02:50, 26 December 2014 (UTC)
Hi Michael Barera, I've done that. You can also install the script yourself if you like, it's quite easy to use. Nikkimaria (talk) 00:35, 28 December 2014 (UTC)

Joe Williams (jazz singer)[edit]

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Happy New Year Nikkimaria![edit]

Cheers! Nikkimaria (talk) 13:57, 31 December 2014 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/Elaine Surick Oran threedux[edit]

Nikkimaria, more work was presumably done, and it's now over two months old. If it isn't ready now, perhaps it's time to close, or at least to mark the article with an appropriate template or templates. Please take another look if you're willing. Many thanks, and Happy New Year. BlueMoonset (talk) 02:25, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

Taiko FAC[edit]

Hey Nikki-- Taiko is up for FAC again, and it has changed a bit since the last one; there have been some additional images added, for instance. Any feedback you have to offer would be appreciated here. Thanks, I, JethroBT drop me a line 11:51, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/We Bare Bears[edit]

Nikkimaria, a fairly new reviewer believes there is close paraphrasing in the Plot section, though the nominator disagrees. Can you please check? Many thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 16:45, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

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Requesting some help[edit]

Hello. I'm sorry to bother you, but I remember that you often reviewed images on FACs, so I was hoping that I could ask for your opinion. Do you think that the images here would be considered PD? I know that two-dimensional recreations of PD works are also PD, but what about a photograph taken inside of a Post Office building? The murals were created by an artist working for the Section of Fine Arts, so the mural itself (referring to the one with the birds) should be PD, as it was created by someone in employ of the U.S. government in the course of their official duties. However, I'm not sure how something like that works when the painting is on a wall in a public building. Thanks in advance for any insight you can provide into this.-RHM22 (talk) 04:44, 3 January 2015 (UTC)

Hi RHM22, murals (even interior ones) are considered 2D works, so photographing them is copying rather than creative. If the mural itself is PD, those photos are also PD. Nikkimaria (talk) 14:08, 3 January 2015 (UTC)
Thank you much, Nikkimaria! That is some great information. I'm almost certain that the murals are PD, but I'll do some more research to make certain before I include the photo in the article. Thanks again, and have a happy new year.-RHM22 (talk) 17:19, 3 January 2015 (UTC)

Happy New Year Nikkimaria![edit]

Cheers, Nikkimaria (talk) 02:18, 4 January 2015 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/Nayanars[edit]

I have expanded the articles and addressed your concerns. Please check. Thanks. --Redtigerxyz Talk 16:47, 6 January 2015 (UTC)

I am further expanded the articles you pointed out. Please check. Thanks. --Redtigerxyz Talk 06:24, 8 January 2015 (UTC)
At this point I'd like to see someone else weigh in on the implications of A5 first, before checking again. Nikkimaria (talk) 14:58, 8 January 2015 (UTC)
I have expanded Sadaya Nayanar too, even if Vayilar is considered first and A5 applied. IMO, the expansion will suffice. --Redtigerxyz Talk 16:31, 8 January 2015 (UTC)
As per Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know#Second_opinion_needed_-_Template:Did_you_know_nominations.2FNayanars, I have expanded all necessary articles. So even if the repeated content is not counted in character length, it is above 1500 characters. --Redtigerxyz Talk 06:15, 10 January 2015 (UTC)

Savile Row[edit]

I withdrew from Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Savile Row/archive1 when Savile Row became unstable. The article has now been stable since August so I am considering nominating it again. You did a detailed source review in the FAC; do you feel your concerns have been addressed, or should I be paying more attention to the sources before re-nominating? Regards SilkTork ✔Tea time 18:21, 6 January 2015 (UTC)

Hi SilkTork, on a quick look I'm not seeing any really questionable sources in terms of reliability, but there are a few dead links and formatting inconsistencies to address. Nikkimaria (talk) 02:15, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for this. I've been busy off-wiki for a week, so only able to respond now. I'll be looking into the dead links and formatting inconsistencies over the next couple of days. Though, unfortunately, the same experience I had last time I worked on the article has returned. An editor has been making substantial undiscussed changes. I have reverted and asked the editor to discuss these changes before making them, so I'll see how that goes, but if we don't make progress I think I'll have to walk away from this article as being a little too problematic for me. SilkTork ✔Tea time 11:42, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

Elliott Fitch Shepard[edit]


What do you think of my updates, based on your comments at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Elliott Fitch Shepard/archive1? Any other help would be much appreciated.

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German anthem[edit]

Why want you not to see the audiofile in the article "Germany"?--Unikalinho (talk) 05:39, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

Hi Unikalinho, please see Template_talk:Infobox_country/Archive_10#RFC:_Audio_links_to_national_anthems. Nikkimaria (talk) 15:20, 12 January 2015 (UTC)
I understand English not pretty good, so understood only that this anthems are prohibited, But why? There are not reasons obectives...--Unikalinho (talk) 15:28, 12 January 2015 (UTC)
The reasoning for this decision was presented in the discussion, but in short: it was felt that the anthem recording should be present only in the article about the anthem, which is linked from the country article. Nikkimaria (talk) 15:32, 12 January 2015 (UTC)
But I see there and there are the anthems. It's allowed only for USA and UK? :)--Unikalinho (talk) 15:35, 12 January 2015 (UTC)
No, they shouldn't be there either. Nikkimaria (talk) 15:49, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

Josh Hutcherson[edit]

Hi, any chance you could do a spotcheck for Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Josh Hutcherson/archive2?♦ Dr. Blofeld 08:39, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

Unfriended Vandalism[edit]

Hello Nikkimaria, Please help this page is being vandalized. Weeknd112 (talk) 20:53, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

Hi Weeknd112, there hasn't been enough vandalism to warrant protection of the page, so for now I would suggest just using the history to find the last "good version" of the article. Nikkimaria (talk) 21:31, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

Ok, Thank you for your answer. Is there a way where I can put some sort of stub to welcome people to expand an article? Weeknd112 (talk) 22:52, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

@Weeknd112: you could use either {{expand}} or {{movie-stub}}, but you might actually have more luck soliciting input from a relevant WikiProject such as WikiProject Film or WikiProject Horror. Nikkimaria (talk) 00:12, 15 January 2015 (UTC)


Hi, Nick. And thank you for the Highbeam access! It's been since Jan. 6 when you said to expect an email, so I just wanted to follow up. Thank you again! --Tenebrae (talk) 20:08, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

Hi Tenebrae, according to my records that email was sent Jan 10. Can you check your spam folder? If it's not there, send me an email and I'll respond with your access code. Nikkimaria (talk) 01:24, 16 January 2015 (UTC)

The Signpost: 14 January 2015[edit]

Template:Did you know nominations/We Bare Bears redux[edit]

Nikkimaria, the nominator says that the plot section you found problematic has been rejiggered. Before I call for a new reviewer, do you think you could check to see whether you're satisfied with the edits? If so, tell me here and I'll post for a reviewer; if not, of course, please post there. Many thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 23:26, 17 January 2015 (UTC)

I think the edits are good enough. Nikkimaria (talk) 02:06, 18 January 2015 (UTC)
Thanks, Nikkimaria. I've put the "review again" icon on it, and it'll be in the next list of old DYK noms that I post on the talk page. BlueMoonset (talk) 16:43, 18 January 2015 (UTC)

Citation for material found through use of HighBeam[edit]

Thank you for approving my request for access to HighBeam. I have already found one fact that I added to an existing article, and I want to be sure that I am formatting the citation correctly with regard to indicating use of HighBeam. Would you mind looking at the "Carter Sisters" section under "Notable personalities" in the WRNL article and checking the citation for "June 1, 1943"? I want to find out if I'm citing correctly before I proceed much further. Thanks! Eddie Blick (talk) 15:15, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

Hi Eddie, that citation is fine, but you could make it a bit more precise using the "chapter" parameter: |chapter=Carter Family, The . Because it's a dictionary and the page number isn't included, having the title of the entry would allow someone to locate it in a non-HighBeam format (eg. the print dictionary). Nikkimaria (talk) 15:56, 20 January 2015 (UTC)
Thanks! I have added that parameter. I appreciate your help. Eddie Blick (talk) 16:28, 20 January 2015 (UTC)


Thanks for [1] and per this (where a different editor is editing article in the opposite direction), could you point me to the MOS or guideline that verifies that your edit is the "right" way to do this? Muchas Gracias. Montanabw(talk) 00:15, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

Hi Montanabw, the applicable guidelines are WP:SEAOFBLUE (don't put links next to each other so they look like a single link - so prefer [[Helena, Montana]] over [[Helena, Montana|Helena]], [[Montana]]) and WP:OLINK (so while United States is a good link in the general Montana article, it's not nearly as helpful in this much more specific article). Nikkimaria (talk) 00:41, 21 January 2015 (UTC)
So what argument is there for the overlinking thing? I run across it all the time, and usually revert it, but I also don't have the time or energy to edit-war about it. Just wondering if I can create a standard "here's why you don't do that stuff" message. Montanabw(talk) 21:27, 21 January 2015 (UTC)
I like the bit at WP:BUILD: "In adding or removing links, consider an article's place in the knowledge tree. Internal links can add to the cohesion and utility of Wikipedia, allowing readers to deepen their understanding of a topic by conveniently accessing other articles. Ask yourself, "How likely is it that the reader will also want to read that other article?"". It's very unlikely that anyone looking at this very specific article would want to follow the link to US, or would be helped significantly by reading it, or would be unfamiliar with that topic. Nikkimaria (talk) 21:47, 21 January 2015 (UTC)
That works. Montanabw(talk) 00:14, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

Isle of Portland[edit]

Hello Nikkimaria, Whilst I accept that the religion entry could be accepted as a "duplication", I see no reason for the deletion of the Hilaire Belloc paragraph. Re-reading WP:BURDEN does mention books as a source, as I see it on your reasoning all the book references could be taken out. Regards, David, David J Johnson (talk) 21:56, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

Hi David, books can be permissible sources - the problem with that particular entry is a) the lack of full inline citation for the quotation, and b) the lack of a secondary source to indicate the significance of the entry. There is certainly room to make further cuts to that article on the basis of sourcing, particularly given that it is an FA. Nikkimaria (talk) 00:34, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

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Hi Nikki...did you use some kind of bot to trim the refs on William F. Raynolds [2]...if it is a script or something can you show me where it is ? Oh and of course, thank you for that cleanup!--MONGO 21:14, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

'Fraid not, it's just working by hand - generally you don't need anything after the page number to get to the right place. Nikkimaria (talk) 21:54, 22 January 2015 (UTC)
Least I now know what to do to eliminate those quirky book page links...I learn something new everyday still. Thank you.--MONGO 04:40, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

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Well done![edit]

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Draft section for Milhist Coordinators' Handbook[edit]

G'day Nikki, I've started drafting a section about the Quarterly Reviewing Awards here. Could you have a look and add any information about the easiest ways to tally the reviews? I'm going to ask Ian and Rupert to have look too. Cheers, Peacemaker67 (crack... thump) 03:32, 25 January 2015 (UTC)

Peacemaker67, I will take a look, but I notice you've mentioned FL reviewing as something to tally...I don't think we've used anything other than FAC? Nikkimaria (talk) 05:26, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
That's probably a good point. I might take it out before we get mission creep... Thanks, Peacemaker67 (crack... thump) 05:49, 25 January 2015 (UTC)

Schloss Nörvenich[edit]

Hi, any chance you could improve the translation? ♦ Dr. Blofeld 13:56, 25 January 2015 (UTC) Bermicourt is a good translator too I believe but probably busy.♦ Dr. Blofeld 14:11, 25 January 2015 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/May 18th National Cemetery[edit]

Nikkimaria, since pings to you from templates don't seem to work, I thought I'd note that Piotrus has corrected the one example of close paraphrasing you gave and asked if there are any more... BlueMoonset (talk) 03:36, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know, I'll take a look. Nikkimaria (talk) 03:40, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
Any time. Can I ask you to take a look at Template:Did you know nominations/Shankill United Predators F.C.? While I don't see any direct close paraphrasing offhand (Duplication detector is down at the moment, so I can't do a full check), the History section's first few sentences, sourced to FN1, feel a little too close to the source: the facts are in the same order, and there are word and phrase substitutions, but it feels like two authors working from the same outline, if you know what I mean—it's enough to keep me from promoting it without you having checked it first. Many thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:49, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
I see where you're coming from with that, but I would say the paraphrasing is adequate. If you feel otherwise, though, you could always request changes. Nikkimaria (talk) 04:12, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for checking it, Nikkimaria. If you think it's adequate, then as I said I'll go with your assessment. It was enough to make me want to check first, though. (I've since found another hook for that particular prep slot, so I probably won't end up promoting it after all.) BlueMoonset (talk) 05:03, 28 January 2015 (UTC)


Hi Nikki,

It looks like all four of us have commented at Wikipedia:Featured article review/Pedro I of Brazil/archive1, all generally to the effect that a FAR is not warranted. I would be inclined to close it as a procedural keep. We usually skip recording FACs in articlehistory if actionable-WRT-criteria concerns were not raised on the nomination page, but I don't remember a precedent at FAR: would you still typically record a procedural close in articlehistory? Maralia (talk) 16:49, 29 January 2015 (UTC)

No, I generally have not been recording such noms. Nikkimaria (talk) 17:29, 29 January 2015 (UTC)

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Hello Nikkimaria,

I am trying to repair damage done by hackers overseas. Perhaps you can help me 'phrase' info about Mr. Jurgens, so that its not deleted before I get a chance to add cites?

thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Janesaint (talkcontribs) 00:39, 31 January 2015 (UTC)

Hi Janesaint, you should include cites to reliable sources at the same time as you add the info. Nikkimaria (talk) 00:58, 31 January 2015 (UTC)

Are we saying Amazon and its IMDB are no longer 'reliable sources?' --thx — Preceding unsigned comment added by Janesaint (talkcontribs) 01:06, 31 January 2015 (UTC)

IMDb is not a reliable source, particularly for biographical details. Nikkimaria (talk) 03:41, 31 January 2015 (UTC)

The name's Cat... SchroCat....[edit]

Hi Nikkimaria, I hope all is well with you. Could I beg a review favour again please? I have Casino Royale (novel) now at FAC, and I hope you will have time to have another look through the references at some point. Once of these days I may finally get a clean bill of health from your review, but we shall see if this is the one! Cheers – SchroCat (talk) 12:19, 31 January 2015 (UTC)

Hi Nikkimaria, I wonder if you could revisit the Casino Royale FAC to comment on the info regardng the Griswold source (and anything else you feel appropriate), as Ian Rose has said he will hold off supporting until you sign off. Cheers - SchroCat (talk) 13:55, 3 February 2015 (UTC)

Money in the Bank (2011)[edit]

Hi Nikki, this FAC's been awaiting a spotcheck of sources for a while -- could I trouble you...? Tks/cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 23:20, 31 January 2015 (UTC)

Of Human Feelings[edit]

Hi again, Nikki -- if you have a chance to source review and source spotcheck this long-running FAC, that'd also be great. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 23:36, 31 January 2015 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/May 18th National Cemetery redux[edit]

Nikkimaria, Piotrus has removed the text associated with your latest example of close paraphrasing remaining in the article. Are there any more? If you find more than one, you might want to say that when giving the next example; otherwise, this could end up going on for a long time. BlueMoonset (talk) 14:53, 1 February 2015 (UTC)

Piotrus just pinged us both: he revised the infringing paragraph and asked whether there was anything else. I'll let you decide whether you want to continue or shut it down. BlueMoonset (talk) 13:52, 10 February 2015 (UTC)


Would you mind taking a look at Zeus FAC again? I believe I have addressed all your concerns, with the exception of ACCESS which I'll need some help on. Maury Markowitz (talk) 12:26, 2 February 2015 (UTC)

Being a pain, twice in a few days...[edit]

Hi Nikkimaria, Sorry to be a pest, but a second article at FAC within a few days brings the begging bowl out once more, this time a joint op with Tim riley on the difficult to fathom Laurence Olivier, whose campaign for the gold star can be found here. If you're able to spare the time to pop by for your usual excellent source review, I'd be much obliged. Cheers - SchroCat (talk) 18:42, 2 February 2015 (UTC)

Image query[edit]

Hi Nikki. Sorry to bug you but you seem to be the expert on images and I don't know who else to ask. The article i'm currently focusing on is R.V.C. Bodley. While the article has an early photo of him, i've been looking for a later one. I found this image for sale on eBay [3]. It is dated 3/5/1946 though listed as photographer unknown. If I purchased the photo, would I be able to upload it under fair use rationale (considering there is already a free image of him, albeit much older). Or has the copyright expired and is the image in the public domain now? I note the New York Public Library have the same image of him, if that makes any difference: [4]. Any advice you could give would be appreciated, or if you could just refer me to where questions like this should be directed, that would be helpful too. Thanks. Freikorp (talk) 03:41, 3 February 2015 (UTC)

Hi Freikorp. According to the NYPL, the image is from the dust jacket of a 1945 book first published in the US and copyrighted there the same year; the copyright was renewed in 1972. Assuming this information is correct, it's not in the public domain, and with an existing PD photo of him it's unlikely that a fair-use claim would succeed. Nikkimaria (talk) 05:10, 3 February 2015 (UTC)
Thanks a lot for your help. Freikorp (talk) 05:12, 3 February 2015 (UTC)

St Joseph's Convent, Taunton[edit]

Big favour to ask: I've just created this article, but I'm worried that the architecture section follows the source (here too closely. Unfortunately, I basically have no idea what it is talking about, so I struggle to vary it much. I've seen you around DYK a fair bit on the topic of copyvio and close para-phrasing: I don't know if you might be able to have a look at this for me, and see if you think it is a bit too similar, and if you can offer any suggestions? Any help would be much appreciated. Harrias talk 22:26, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

Hey Harrias, I've done some editing there - would it be possible to find another source to supplement the existing one for that section? Nikkimaria (talk) 01:08, 5 February 2015 (UTC)

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Flag icons for swimmers and other Olympic athletes[edit]

Nikki, flag icons are consistently used to represent the sporting nationality of Olympic swimmers in the infobox's nationality field. Please note that only about half of notable Olympic swimmers are medalists, and therefore your desire to eliminate the "duplicate" flag from the nationality parameter for medalists, such as Nicole Haislett, leads to inconsistent formatting for non-medalists for whom we do no have the option of displaying the flag icon in the non-existent medals table for non-medalists. For non-medalists, the flag icon can only be displayed in the nationality field. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 16:53, 11 February 2015 (UTC)

Hi Dirtlawyer, I don't see that as a particular problem - as you point out, there is necessarily already a formatting inconsistency given that non-medallists wouldn't have a medals table. When there is no table, we have another venue available to reflect the sporting nationality, but when there is a table that's where it makes the most sense to do that. Alternatively, we could remove the flag from the table heading and have it above for everyone. Nikkimaria (talk) 17:02, 11 February 2015 (UTC)
Thanks, Nikki. I've been aware of the duplicate flag issue for a long time -- I wrote most of the template parameter instructions for Infobox swimmer, and work with American, Australian and Canadian swimmer bios regularly. As you're probably aware, the use of flag icons for the sporting nationality of Olympic athletes and other members of national sports teams has been the project-wide common practice since the early days of Wikipedia, but MOS:ICON includes self-contradictory guidance on point, and there is a vocal group of editors who oppose flag icons anywhere, for any purpose, including the sporting nationality of Olympians, etc. While that controversy has erupted again and has continued over the last year, I have hesitated to remove either flag icon from medalists' infoboxes so as not to prejudge the resolution of that debate. Frankly, I suspect we may see a definitive resolution on point this year; if someone else doesn't do it, I'm prepared to introduce a no-wiggle-room RfC to clarify what usage is permitted and conform the language of MOS:ICON as needed. Regarding flag icons generally, I am in the broad middle: I support use of the icons for the sporting nationality of national team members (as well as military units and personnel, ship registries, etc.), but I also recognize that they are grotesquely over used in some corners of Wikipedia, including some sports. I've even stripped my share of inappropriate flag uses from sports articles and other topics. To get to a final resolution, however, compromise will be required, and no one will be entirely satisfied. Until that happens, I'm just trying to preserve the status quo in swimmer and other Olympic athlete infoboxes. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 18:11, 11 February 2015 (UTC)

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Sno Balls[edit]

Hi Nikkimaria,

I have included the references in Sno Balls. I can see that you include things which have no references but delete posted by others even if they have some reference. Looks like double standards and unfair. Jayeshrchinchole (talk) 08:38, 14 February 2015 (UTC)jayeshrchinchole

Hi Jayeshrchinchole, unfortunately sites like Wikia and Wikipedia do not count as reliable sources - see WP:SPS. Since I also removed the statement with the {{citation needed}} tag, I'm not sure what content without references you're referring to - can you clarify? Nikkimaria (talk) 13:55, 14 February 2015 (UTC)


I have seen you remove |media_type= from {{infobox book}} instances without elaborating in your edit summary, though the template documentation doesn't specify for such a removal. Why? czar  04:07, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

Hey czar, often that parameter is not significant enough to warrant inclusion - it's not in the example, for instance. There are instances where it makes sense to have it, but just to say "print" not so much. Nikkimaria (talk) 14:37, 16 February 2015 (UTC)
I don't feel strongly either way, but it might be worth sorting this out in the infobox's documentation for consistency. (Also just so you know, I didn't get that ping.) czar  15:35, 16 February 2015 (UTC)
Sigh. Notifications would be so much better if they worked consistently. Thanks. Nikkimaria (talk) 15:39, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

DYK stuff[edit]

Nikkimaria, there are a couple of nominations that are awaiting your attention:

Thank you very much. BlueMoonset (talk) 21:07, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

Hey BlueMoonset, I think May 18th should be okay now but it would be best to get a new reviewer to check. Nikkimaria (talk) 01:34, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
Thanks, Nikkimaria, for checking all three. I'll put up the "new reviewer" icon. BlueMoonset (talk) 01:37, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

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Your edits to Fernando Gaviria[edit]

Hi. Thanks for your edit to Fernando Gaviria, which is otherwise pretty much entirely my work. You've corrected a few Manual of Style points, for which I'm grateful (goodness knows how you can know the whole thing!). Could I ask, though, why you changed the Palmares section to use bolded year names, rather than `<dt>` tags using `;`? I'm not disagreeing; I just want to understand Wikipedia's guidelines, being a fairly new user! Many thanks. Relentlessly (talk) 09:21, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

Hi Relentlessly, I did that because conversations at WT:LAYOUT and elsewhere have recommended against the use of "pseudo-headings" (semicolon markup) due to accessibility issues. However, reviewing the guidelines, I think perhaps I took the wrong approach in this case: MOS:DEFLIST suggests the effect you are going for should actually be achieved using templates rather than any type of bolding markup. I've tried implementing that. Feel free to revert, though - your original formatting is pretty common, and it's not a big deal either way. Nikkimaria (talk) 13:52, 21 February 2015 (UTC)
Many thanks for clarifying; that's very helpful. Relentlessly (talk) 15:04, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

New Age (Velvet Underground song)[edit]

1) What do you consider a reliable source for song lyrics?

2) I don't understand why you feel the need to delete useful, interesting, and utterly noncontroversial information. Anyone can find the song on Youtube and a dozen other websites and see that the lyrics sung by Tori Amos are the earlier lyrics. (For the record, I didn't add that info myself. I cite sources when I add info.) (See also: Dealing with unsourced material )

3) If you consider a source unreliable, why not get off your metaphorical butt and look for a better one? That's what I and other editors do all the time. Do you think it's beneath your dignity to do a little Googling and add a citation where there was none before, thereby confirming useful information for others' benefit?

--Rosekelleher (talk) 13:45, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

Hello Rosekelleher. I do not consider that information to be either useful or interesting, certainly not without any indication of significance, and so believe that removing the poor source is a better option than attempting to replace it. If you do consider the information to be valuable, then as WP:BURDEN indicates you can restore it - once you include a reliable source. Nikkimaria (talk) 14:07, 21 February 2015 (UTC)
Then why not tag it, as advised in the guidelines? Here's that link again: Dealing with unsourced material Tag the information that you, on your lofty, impersonal plane, find so useless and uninteresting, and then, after a reasonable amount of time, remove the information if it hasn't been properly sourced. I sense that you prefer removing other people's contributions because it gratifies you in some way. --Rosekelleher (talk) 14:18, 21 February 2015 (UTC)
Your "sense" is mistaken. The article was tagged with {{ref improve}} for a week and still wasn't properly sourced. I removed material that a) had no reliable source and b) I didn't think warranted inclusion. If you think it does warrant inclusion, then again, restore it with a reliable source. Nikkimaria (talk) 14:31, 21 February 2015 (UTC)
Sorry for being testy. I find your manner off-putting, and I'm not a morning person, but no matter, you're a volunteer doing your best for a noble cause and I should have bitten my tongue. --Rosekelleher (talk) 21:31, 22 February 2015 (UTC)
It's no problem - we are both doing what we think best for the encyclopedia, even if we disagree on what that might be. Cheers. Nikkimaria (talk) 03:16, 23 February 2015 (UTC)


Hi, I got your email about Elsevier access. However I still don't know what my username and password are so I can log in to ScienceDirect. I tried my Wikipedia username and password but it didn't work. Can you tell me how I would log in? Everymorning talk 15:47, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

Hi Everymorning, you will get a login via the email you entered on the form once Elsevier has processed the latest requests; it will probably take a week or two, as we'd like more of the recipients to respond before processing. Nikkimaria (talk) 16:52, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

Relax duplicate linking rule (again!)[edit]

You might be interested to see that I'm reopening the issue of duplicate links at Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style/Linking#Relax_duplicate_linking_rule. --Slashme (talk) 21:41, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

Deletions from Old new land[edit]


Why did you delete so much material from that page? The edit summary "rm OR" is not very informative... --Erel Segal (talk) 06:04, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

Hi Erel Segal, OR refers to our policy against original research. As indicated by that page and this one, it is not to us to decide what is "noteworthy" or "worthwhile to note" - that determination should be made by reliable secondary sources. Without such sources, we cannot make declarations about the implications of the work, or infer details about the author's thoughts and intentions. Nikkimaria (talk) 13:21, 22 February 2015 (UTC)
OK, so you can remove the adjectives "noteworthy" etc. But, most of the paragraphs you removed are factual and do not relate to intentions/thoughts. They can be easily verified by reading the text. --Erel Segal (talk) 14:58, 22 February 2015 (UTC)
Actually, most can't. You can verify what terms the author uses but not why, and you can't make interpretations on that basis. You can see how the author depicts things but not what this might "possibly imply", or what the outcome of agreements mentioned might be. You might know that the plot is similar to another work but it would be synthesis to draw conclusions about that without sourcing. And as far as I can tell nothing in the "Allusions" section can be verified from the text. Nikkimaria (talk) 15:10, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

American Arts Commemorative Series medallions[edit]

Hi Nikkimaria. I'm sorry to be a bother, but I wonder if you could assist me with my current FAC, American Arts Commemorative Series medallions. One of the coordinators has requested a check of the sources since I haven't been active at FAC for a while. I was wondering, if you've got the time, could you please take a look? Most of the sources are online, but there are a few offline ones as well. I can provide scans of the offline ones if you'd like. One or two of my offline sources are currently in my storage unit, so I can't access them right away, but if you'd like scans of those I can get them as well once I'm able to retrieve the books and magazines. Thanks in advance for your time.-RHM22 (talk) 18:41, 22 February 2015 (UTC) Actually, I now have access to the major offline reference (Gilkes, 2010), so I can show you the pages if you'd like.-RHM22 (talk) 19:25, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

Nikkimaria: Thanks again for all of your efforts. Please let me know if there's anything that I can help you with in the future (although I doubt you'll be needing any blurry black and white photos of pattern coins from 1913).-RHM22 (talk) 05:17, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

Karl Jäger (artist)[edit]

Hi, can you add a bit more from German wiki? He's mentioned in Piano Sonata Hob. XVI/20.♦ Dr. Blofeld 20:26, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

Presentation proposal for Wikimania 2015[edit]

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Hello Nikkimaria! Victuallers and I have developed a proposal for a talk to be presented at Wikimania 2015. It's titled, How to pick up more women... -- as in more women editors and more women's biographies. Examples include the Edit-a-thon blitz during WikiWomen's History Month and the "new articles" work underway by WikiProject Women Writers. The Wikimania talk proposal review process has begun and there's no guarantee that this proposal will be accepted. That's where you come in. Please review our proposal and give us feedback. Ultimately, we hope you add your name to the signup at the bottom of the proposal which signifies you'd be interested in the talk if you were attending it (it does not commit you to attending Wikimania). Thank you! Rosiestep (talk) 22:33, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/CG 4[edit]

Nikkimaria, the article appears to have had significant close paraphrasing issues, and I was wondering whether they had been adequately addressed, since it's been over two weeks since the last comment there. Thanks for anything you can do here. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:21, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

Respect each other[edit]

Thank you for your note in Remember and enjoy. Would you be willing to word some agreement that we alleged infobox warriors could sign, better than my (a little sloppy, a little provoking) "Think twice before reverting the same thing a second time, and think three times before making a third comment in the same matter." --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:26, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

Hi Gerda. I might try, but I'm not sure that I would be the best choice for that, given that the last agreement was not followed. Perhaps we could find someone respected. Nikkimaria (talk) 14:42, 23 February 2015 (UTC)
The last agreement (if I remember right only between you and me, while now I think more of all involved) was perhaps built a bit too much on ownership, no? - I respect you as a person and think you know both sides. I imagine you start (user space?), and then we - pinging some who regularly appear in infobox discussions - think together? - Having more or less the same discussion every page is a waste of resources. We just had reason to compare The Rite of Spring (2013) and Chopin (2014 / 2015), - with Andy or without, still a lot of repetition. 10 years of "war" (of which I had only 3) are enough ;) - Brainstorming: editorial choice of the person who starts an article is a fine approach, but how to treat and involve the inevitable IP or other editor who has no idea of a conflict? (I would not have touched Chopin, for respect to Smerus, if that had not happened.) How does come into play what readers normally expect? How can falsehoods and clutter be avoided? How later changes be monitored? ... --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:15, 23 February 2015 (UTC)
I agree that editorial choice is a fine approach, but one argument that I see repeated way too often is "ownership". Nikkimaria (talk) 15:26, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

I think it just comes down to personal preference and how you view articles. I remember in the old days on here if I saw a biography without an infobox I'd add one simply because I thought it looked bare and inconsistent without one. I really don't think it's worth the continued arguments and conflict over them though. I think it's time infoboxes were controlled by wikidata and then editors given options to suppress them in their own preferences. Often I've worked on biographies with Rosie, Nvvchar or Aymatth and they've added an infobox and didn't contest it, but I do ideally prefer the look nowadays with just a nice photo.♦ Dr. Blofeld 11:05, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

  • Ownership: I would gladly word without ever using the word, and used it only for something past here. Let's go forward. I think we agree that the first person to make a decision about infobox yes or no is the person who creates an article, followed by other editors who do substantial work. - Back to where problems come: a user who has no idea of a minefield comes along and in good faith adds an infobox. Did you see the nice work in many steps done recently on Chopin? I really loved "severely underweight", but reverted, of course. How can we address these people in a friendly manner. - A bit of history: who created the article on Victor Bruns? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:36, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

Looks so bare without that infobox!♦ Dr. Blofeld 12:05, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

Dr Blofeld did. Dr: while that idea sounds good in theory, in practice I think it would be bad for the encyclopedia. If someone who has suppressed infoboxes is working on an article, and they don't see what's wrong with the infobox, how can they address that? Wikidata is not always right, and not always right for our purposes. Plus I think we are all agreed that there are articles where infoboxes make sense, even if we do not agree how extensive that group might be. Nikkimaria (talk) 15:11, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
In a recent discussion, the term "main editors" came up, can we use that, instead of "owners"? Can we try to define what it means, and what suggestions and decisions they can make? What if two main editors disagree? What about the interests of the community and the readers? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:43, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
You're talking to the wrong person on that first issue - that is already the term I use. We would also need to define what suggestions someone who is not a main editor can make - someone who "has no idea of a conflict" is one thing, but if someone knows of the conflict and readds or asks someone else to readd a reverted infobox - well, warring is not something in the best interests of the community or the readers, wouldn't you agree? If two main editors disagree, they should talk it out between each other, respectfully. Nikkimaria (talk) 14:53, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
I don't re-adding has happened recently, - also we want to look forward, right? What has happened recently was the revert of an infobox which had been in place for 8 years, but same approach, better next time. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:31, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
It has indeed, and those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it. So looking forward, warring would be something to avoid, where the preferences of the main editor(s) is known either way. Nikkimaria (talk) 16:37, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

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Yet another favour?[edit]

Hi Nikkimaria, I've recently been working on the Great Stink - an odd and obscure event in London's history that led to a massive set of of civil engineering projects that lasted 15 years. The article is now at FAC. Can I persuade you to do your usual excellent job on the sources? Many thanks! - SchroCat (talk) 16:25, 27 February 2015 (UTC)