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Additional species[edit]

I hesitate to plug my own site, but most of your additional species are mentioned in my alphabetical index pages. Just go to the proper letter, find the genus you're looking for, and the vast majority of species that have been assigned to it should be there (I don't keep a record of typos, though). J. Spencer 23:38, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Italics[edit]

Nice work on the List of dinosaurs! Please remember to italicise all generic names (e.g. Diplodocus not Diplodocus). Happy editing, Mgiganteus1 15:17, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

I've removed all subjective determinations of nomina dubia, though. The page stated "As this can be an extremely subjective and controversial designation (see Hadrosaurus), this term is not used on this list." If it were to be included, there should ideally have to be a source given for each determination, preferably one authoritative source used throughout. Firsfron of Ronchester 20:04, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
I missed reading in the article that the designation nomen dubium wouldn't be used in the list, so I'm sorry for the inconvenience. However, the designations were based solely upon what the articles said. If an article reported the genus as nomen dubium, then I indicated it on the list. So my sources were the articles themselves, and so there would be no point sourcing them. However, I agree that the articles should have a source when such a claim is made. Ninjatacoshell 21:35, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
No worries; it wasn't difficult to remove a few words, so need to apologize. Just glad to have you aboard. I agree that each article should cite a source when it claims the genus in question is a nomen dubium. However, List of dinosaurs is a Featured List, representing one of the best articles on Wikipedia. Everything in a Featured List needs to be cited with an external source (Wikipedia itself cannot be used as the source). Since nomina dubia are often subjective based on the opinion of the authors, it's likely two different sources will differ on which genera are considered dubious, which, I believe, is the reason someone or other decided not to use the term in this list. If you really did want to try to add the words nomen dubium to each dubious genus in the list, you could (and I'm not trying to discourage you), but this would take quite a bit of work, since external sources would have to be found, and cited, in order to maintain this article's status as a Featured List. Best wishes and happy editing, Firsfron of Ronchester 22:17, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Query[edit]

I learned in a class that this genus is tetraploid. Should this be noted in the article? Ninjatacoshell 17:20, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Interesting, perhaps we should. You certainly know more than me, so:

  1. Do you know how unusual or notable it is?
  2. Do you happen to have a reference?

If so, go ahead I would guess. And welcome. Fred 17:39, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Type strains[edit]

Good catch and useful discussion on the type strains for bacteria. KP Botany 03:26, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Phytopathogenic bacteria[edit]

Great to see all the contributions that you're making! Somanypeople 22:47, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

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Hello, you had created an article about Sphingobacteria which is given as one of three classes of Bacteroidetes phylum, whereas in Brock biology of Microorganisms 11ed. by Madigan/Martinko, only two classes Bacteroidetes and Flavobacteria are given. I want to create some stubs for this phylum in other language wikipedia and am wondering which classfication is right and up to date? Thank you. --Katoa 17:30, 17 July 2007 (UTC)


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Thanks for your edits of 2007 April 16[edit]

Sorry it took me so long to get around to thanking you for them. --arkuat (talk) 06:04, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

Category:MendicagoCategory:Medicago on WP:RM[edit]

This doesn't require admin assistance because there's no real content to move or existing things blocking the changes. Just change the spelling in the [[Category:…]] tags on the articles themselves and they will get put into the other-spelling cat. When you're done, tag the old one for deletion (WP:CSD about empty cat or obvious-mis-spelling). DMacks (talk) 17:24, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

To add to this, you can instead list it at WP:CFD where the category can be renamed (categories can't be moved like normal pages can). Parsecboy (talk) 19:13, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

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Great work[edit]

Great work on the articles you have been creating. I've already requested that you should have autopatrolled rights here. I recommend you get reviewer rights here; it's almost automatically given to users over 100 rights. MC10 (TCGBL) 19:48, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

Taxoboxen work[edit]

Hi there! I noticed your many edits on taxoboxes (alternative plural: taxoboxen) and reverted a few. In plant articles, we follow the APG III system for higher taxonomy, and such names as Rosidae and Angiospermae are not included among those clades. We also don't list minor taxa ranks or the taxobox gets too large (minor ranks are accepted in articles where the minor rank is directly above the article ranks, e.g. a genus article can have a subfamily rank listed in the taxobox, but a species article shouldn't); see WP:TX for more guidelines. Cheers, Rkitko (talk) 22:12, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for updating your edits :-) We've been slow to adopt the APG III system since it's a lot of work to get to our near 40,000 plant taxa articles and to get everything right in the process. I appreciate you working on the Fabaceae. Is there a particular infrafamily taxonomy reference that you use when updating the taxoboxes? Cheers, Rkitko (talk) 15:46, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
No problem. I just wanted all the Faboideae articles to be consistent in their taxoboxen, so your input was most appreciated. I've been using the USDA GRIN, the Systema Naturae 2000, and UniProt. Most of the articles are based on the International Legume Database (ILDIS), but as you can see, it has been down for a while, so I can't refer to it. The sources I'm using don't always agree, so I'm doing my best to generate a consensus between the three. Ninjatacoshell (talk) 15:56, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
USDA GRIN isn't the best source... It's often fairly outdated. I'm not familiar with the other two (rosids aren't among my strengths). If you're ever looking for input, advice, or run into something really strange that you can't resolve, you can always ask at WT:PLANTS; there are some fabulous experts and taxonomists there that can help. Best, Rkitko (talk) 18:08, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
How good is Catalogue of Life? Do you know? Ninjatacoshell (talk) 21:07, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
Hmm, I see it's run by ITIS, which is also usually outdated. Databases tend to lag behind the most current and accepted names from the literature, so we usually find the most recent authoritative article from the literature, like a phylogenetic study or monograph on the genus/family/taxon. A cursory search turns up a decent article from 2003 on the Fabaceae, but I have no idea how well that's received or if it's considered too old. Another rosid editor is User:Lavateraguy, who might have a better idea of the best source for your work. Rkitko (talk) 01:44, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

Sri Lanka map[edit]

Just writing to say thanks and to let you know I wrote a reply to the map you created at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Graphic_Lab/Map_workshop#Sri_Lanka_Navy_area_of_operations Evan.oltmanns (talk) 19:46, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

I replied again. Evan.oltmanns (talk) 23:39, 29 March 2011 (UTC)
Thank you for the work you did on the Sri Lanka Naval Areas map, it turned out great. Evan.oltmanns (talk) 04:47, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

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Vachellia[edit]

That is a pretty controversial one, as the type species is Acacia nilotica. JMK (talk) 05:56, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

@JMK: Yeah. That whole thing was a mess. I personally was in favor of transferring the Australian acacias to Racosperma. But the taxonomic treatments have moved forward with the scheme ratified in Vienna and Melbourne. That gives us verifiable sources for the name change. So I've decided to put aside my personal feelings on the matter and accept the transfer of the African acacias to Vachellia. Ninjatacoshell (talk) 15:48, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

I disagree. As per the Acacia web page, this change has not been accepted by most scientists, despite the decision by the Congress. Even some taxonomists are urging that we wait before making these changes (again, see the Acacia page). I realize that this situation is unique, where the very authority of the Botanical Congress is in question, but that is the reality. Web of Science reveals that virtually no one is using Vachellia for this clade. In other words, your 'personal feelings' are in fact still the scientific norm. Please put these pages back in Acacia. Mukogodo (talk) 02:52, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

@Mukogodo: By "the Acacia web page" I assume you mean the Wikipedia page for Acacia or List of Acacia species, not some other web page on the internet. 'Personal feelings' and Web of Science search results (which qualifies as original research) notwithstanding, there are verifiable, published sources placing these species in Vachellia. There are not verifiable, published sources transferring them back to Acacia (and consequently transferring the Australian species to Racosperma). It's possible that this scenario will play out at the XIX IBC in China in 2017, but until then these species are Vachellia. If you feel strongly about this, then we should avoid an edit war by opening a discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Plants and let the whole Wikipedia (plant article) community decide how these pages will be named. Ninjatacoshell (talk) 15:53, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

However, there is a verifiable source (by a professional taxonomist in the leading taxonomic journal) asserting that is it premature to accept these new names in actual use at this time: Gideon F. Smith & Estrela Figueiredo (2011). "Conserving Acacia Mill. with a conserved type: What happened in Melbourne?". Taxon 60 (5): 1504–1506 (cited on the current Acacia page). And even if we accept your premise that the Congress decision takes precedence over dozens of practicing scientists who do not yet acknowledge the change (for legitimate reasons and backed up other leading taxonomists), I suggest we need to use in Wikipedia titles such as 'Vachellia (Acacia) drepanolobium'. Why confuse Wikipedia's audience unnecessarily, especially in this case?

I agree that this is something that needs to be discussed, and in fact it is being discussed within the professional community (e.g., the reference above, and the striking lack of penetration into the [peer-reviewed!] scientific literature of these new genera, even after seven years). I find it fascinating that for the first time that I can recall, there has been a wholesale rejection of a decision by the Botanical Congress, whose authority essentially rests on the willingness of the scientific community to acknowledge it. You can assert all you want that the 'name has changed' but it only actually changes when people choose to use the new name, not when the Congress asserts it. We are living through a test case that has yet to be resolved. I argue for conservatism. Mukogodo (talk) 05:08, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

@Mukogodo: If you've read the paper you cite above, then you know that the style you propose—'Vachellia (Acacia) drepanolobium'—was soundly rejected by the congress (as was the adoption of Austroacacia for former subgenus Phyllodineae and Protoacacia or Acanthacacia for former subgenus Acacia). I think it would be better to list the synonym separately in parentheses, e.g. 'Vachellia drepanolobium (syn. Acacia drepanolobium)'. And note that there is also a verifiable source (by professional taxonomists in the same leading taxonomic journal) asserting that the community needs accept the IBC decisions and move on: Thiele et al. (2011). "The controversy over the retypification of Acacia Mill. with an Australian type: A pragmatic view." Taxon 60 (1): 194–198. But these are attempts to influence behavior, not statements of fact.
And we should also be clear that this is not a taxonomic debate (virtually everyone agrees with the evidence that Acacia sensu lato needed to be split into multiple genera), this is a nomenclatural debate (over which segregate genus should have had priority to retain the name Acacia). When I search for Vachellia using Google Scholar it returns hundreds of papers that have updated to that term, the majority in the last two years (i.e. since the second IBC decision), which would suggest that the change is being implemented, though perhaps slowly (there are only about a dozen uses of Racosperma and searching for Acacia and Africa together returns nearly 3000 hits). As I stated before, such search results count as original research and using them—even as a guide for how to structure Wikipedia (or an article herein)—should be out of the question. I am unaware of any verifiable source that denotes when scientists "choose to use [or reject] the new name"; but there are verifiable sources that the name has been changed (regardless of how well it is accepted by the broader community). That said, I think it's more confusing to the casual Wikipedia reader to tell them that Acacia has been split up and then proceed to talk about it as though it hadn't been and to conflate the properties of what we now know to be very different genera. Conversely, it's not at all confusing to say, "Vachellia nilotica used to be called Acacia nilotica" or "Vachellia horrida (formerly known as Acacia horrida)…".

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