User talk:Noca2plus

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Hello, Noca2plus, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:

I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! Please sign your messages on discussion pages using four tildes ~~~~; this will automatically insert your username and the date. If you need help, check out Wikipedia:Questions, ask me on my talk page, or ask your question and then place {{helpme}} before the question on your talk page. Again, welcome! ·:· Will Beback ·:· 05:06, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Revert on Ostrich[edit]

Sorry, my bad, obvious good faith edit. I reverted because the agreed standard for Wikiproject:birds is that only the divisions as listed are used, no sub- or super- bits, otherwise the taxobox becomes bloated and messy. Jimfbleak (talk) 06:14, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Greetings from WikiProject Medicine![edit]

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Welcome to WikiProject Medicine!

I noticed you recently added yourself to our Participants' list, and I wanted to welcome you to our project. Our goal is to facilitate collaboration on medicine-related articles, and everyone is welcome to join (regardless of medical qualifications!). Here are some suggested activities:

If you have any questions, don't hesitate to ask at the project talk page, or feel free to ask me on my talk page.

Again, welcome!  --Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 22:12, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Head louse edits[edit]

That worked out fine. Thank you. Ursasapien (talk) 09:31, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

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I hereby award this barnstar to you for your thorough and diligent efforts on the Head louse article. It is shaping up quite nicely. Thank you. Ursasapien (talk) 11:16, 7 May 2008 (UTC)


See Diff if you have any questions let me know. Jeepday (talk) 18:23, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

No problem. I was just trying to get that page a little more attention. Noca2plus (talk) 20:20, 11 May 2008 (UTC)


I'm apparently not qualified to source anything, nor, apparently, do I have a high enough status to warrant responses in a discussion or to be treated as an equal. Unless that response is to censor what I say. Anything I put up,apparently, will more than likely be in violation of one or more wiki-rules, and/or guidelines. My sincerest apologies, Noca2plus, but you will have to find someone who is a competent editor and who is currently not being threatened with blocksJackorKnave (talk) 22:01, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Don't be so hard on yourself, JackorKnave. People got pissed at what you did, and so they threw the book at you. So what? It happens. On Wikipedia it seems to happen a lot. And that's why we have the policy of Please do not bite the newcomers. I would say you got bitten, and for that I'm sorry.
One of the very first content contributions I made was to the Occam's Razor (House) article -- diff, which I worked hard on, and carefully sourced with external links. I thought it was an important insight, and enhanced the educational value of the article. Saranghae honey (talk · contribs) reverted my edit within 6 minutes, and without comment -- diff. Thinking Saranghae honey had just overlooked the importance of my contribution, or objected to my presentation, I added my edits back in as a footnote -- diff. This time the edits seemed to stick, but a week later, Saranghae honey axed my text again --diff -- citing obscure rules such as WP:SYN and WP:OR. LOL! I know how you feel!
What could I do? Well, like you, I considered leaving. If Wikipedia didn't want my keen insights, fuck 'em! Perhaps I'm more sensitive than you -- it didn't take block threats to get me to consider leaving! :) But ultimately, I decided to stay. Although I wouldn't characterize Saranghae honey's actions as "welcoming", I did knuckle down and try to understand what WP:SYN and WP:OR meant. And in the end, I understood Saranghae honey's point.
I say two things to you at this point: 1) I hope you can get beyond your present conflict with Thrindel (talk · contribs), and continue to participate in Wikipedia. Because Thrindel's domain seems to be restricted to Ctrl+Alt+Del, it should be easy to avoid him. 2) I am more than happy to help you improve The Mechanix or any other article that strikes your fancy. Just ask.
-Noca2plus (talk) 22:56, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Re: Robert Barr now redirect, not dab[edit]

I have removed the {{DisambigProject}} tag and re-assessed the Bio-project tag as redirect-class. {{DisambigProject}} instead goes on the talk page of the disambiguation page, along with a new Bio-project tag. Cheers. Trance addict - Tiesto - Above and Beyond 03:16, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Well, the Bio-project banner tag probably (didn't look at the tempalte code yet) has a line similar to this example for the WikiProject Skyscrapers banner:
|redirect|Redirect=[[Category:Redirect-Class Skyscraper articles|{{PAGENAME}}]]
This line enables you to assess pages as redirect class. As a side comment, Tiesto rocks! Cheers. Trance addict - Tiesto - Above and Beyond 01:23, 21 May 2008 (UTC)


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For the many valuable contributions you've made to the Bob Barr article, which have vastly improved it, I award you this barnstar. JayJasper (talk) 15:45, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Redirecting "Barr" to "Bob Barr"[edit]

You made the page "Barr" a redirect to "Bob Barr" earlier today. Does Bob Barr really outweigh all other usages of "Barr" to that great an extent? I don't see it. I dare say that the average person, seeing just the word "Barr", might think of Roseanne Barr first, if anything. I think it makes more sense as a disambiguation page. Korny O'Near (talk) 02:36, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for taking the time to contact me before taking action. Long term, I agree with you. In the short-term, however, I feel the attention Bob Barr is getting in the U.S. Presidential race warrants a default redirect from "barr". That is, during these six months, Bob Barr may be the primary usage of "barr" (see WP:PRIMARYUSAGE). My feeling was that this redirect would be reevaluated after the November 2008 election. Of course, that is just my opinion, and given my libertarian views, I may be quite biased. I would suggest we move this conversation to Talk:Barr or Talk:Barr (disambiguation), but because neither of those pages exist as of yet, it might be difficult to solicit additional opinions. Shall we submit to a 3rd-party resolution (WP:Third opinion)? -Noca2plus (talk) 03:16, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
As an aside, Rosanne Barr isn't even listed at Barr (disambiguation) (formerly located at 'Barr') but rather, she is located on the secondary diambiguation page Barr (surname). I find that, in itself, to be bothersome (i.e., that one has to tunnel down two levels to find her, when Brendan Fowler aka BARR is found at the top Barr (disambiguation)). However, I'm at a loss to suggest how Rosanne might be moved/copied to Barr (disambiguation) without cluttering Barr (disambiguation) with the 53 other notable Barr biographies (which is presumably why a secondary dab was created in the first place). -Noca2plus (talk) 03:33, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
Okay, good thinking. I added a section in Talk:Barr about it. Korny O'Near (talk) 03:45, 27 May 2008 (UTC)


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Black land / Black land[edit]

I don't see how it makes a difference at this point. There's nothing that phenomenal in the histories that would merit a merger. Black Land would be a different article in there were a formal title that used this. - CobaltBlueTony™ talk 20:33, 7 July 2008 (UTC)


hi i want to ask you why there seems to be no literature about insect intellegence, i mean it seems it would be easy to design some pavlovian and operant experiments. I have discussion about this arthropod behind the article. I used to be a libertarian too but I live in Asia now. Perhaps we could chat.

Theravadaz (talk) 04:55, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Perhaps the apparent lack of literature is a semantic issue. There's quite a bit of literature on insect behavior. Even Pavlovian responses could be defined as "behavior" rather than "intelligence". You might be interested in an animal behavior text such as Alcock.[1] It has a number of insect examples. Noca2plus (talk) 17:56, 23 July 2008 (UTC)


That editor is clearly acting in appropriately. He's got three warnings (including the one I just added and one on an IP talk page), so he's getting close to the end of his rope. You appear to be acting correctly. You were right to remind him of AfD. You've avoided reverting more than 3 times in a day. I think the best thing is to continue as you've been, and if he continues then alert me or another admin. (I'll watchlist the page but I may miss the activity.) ·:· Will Beback ·:· 03:33, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

School head lice policy[edit]

Hi. I noticed your new page here. Some of your refs are broken - I would work on it myself, but I take it you're still working on this page...? - Richard Cavell (talk) 22:46, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for noticing. Yeah, I'm working on it. I just split it from head louse infestation, so I've got some issues to still sort out. Noca2plus (talk) 22:53, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

DYK: School head lice policy[edit]

I'd like to confirm the DYK nom of this article, but I think "child-schooldays" is a word that might lead to problems. I think it means something similar to man hours in the industry, but I can't be sure. Could you provide alternative wording, an explanation or perhaps another hook? - Mgm|(talk) 11:22, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

Sure. How about: "...that child absences due to enforcement of School head lice policies in the U.S. are estimated at 12 to 24 million annually?" Yes, I meant it to mean something like man hours. The purpose was the clarify that we're not necessarily talking about 12 to 24 million children missing school. It appears that Politizer is nixing the DYK nom because it's not 5x. Do you think it's worthwhile for me to post the new hook? Noca2plus (talk) 22:27, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
  • Bah, I didn't notice it was a split off. Sorry. Nah, unless you can turn it into a 150,000 word article by tomorrow, posting the hook probably isn't worth it. Perhaps you can work to GA status instead? - Mgm|(talk) 22:42, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

School head lice policy review[edit]

Hi Noca2plus. I've had a look at the School head lice policy article. There's some good work there, and it's a worthwhile topic. However it does not meet the GA criteria at the moment. It may be resubmitted when issues have been addressed. Have a look at Talk:School head lice policy/GA1 for a fuller explanation and suggestions. If you need any further advice, or if you have any questions about the review please don't hesitate to get in touch with me on my talkpage. Regards SilkTork *YES! 19:15, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for taking the time to review the article. I appreciate the feedback. Noca2plus (talk) 19:42, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Cardiology task force[edit]

T.F.AlHammouri (talk) 22:21, 28 February 2009 (UTC)


User:Tenmei has filed an ArbCom case against me and I have done a little research on Tenmei and noted you have interacted with this user. Can you help provide an opinion about him? Thanks.Teeninvestor (talk) 22:06, 6 April 2009 (UTC)


Sorry for not responding. I'm not very active anymore. I don't recall my interaction with Tenmei, and a brief search didn't turn up anything. Perhaps you didn't intend this message for me, because you edited the Cardiology invitation template, and maybe that was from someone else's talk page? But in any case, I don't think I can weigh in with an informed opinion about Tenmei. I hope you and Tenmei can work things out. Noca2plus (talk) 19:54, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

NowCommons: File:Archibald Hill.jpg[edit]

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You've been Invited![edit]

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You have been invited to join WikiProject Insects!! Join today and work with me and other members (project just made 22:44, 19 November 2009 (UTC)) in a collaboration on improving insect orders and creating pages of insect families. Things like insect-related awards, userboxes, topicons, ect. are also coming soon.

You might also be interested in helping Lice to GA status as part of WikiProject insect collaboration to bring insect orders to GA status, just tell me when your ready on my talk (I will help)!! Bugboy52.4 | =-= 02:57, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

Your view sought[edit]

As a member of WP Arthropods, you might have a view on this discussion. Thanks in advance. Heds (talk) 03:55, 21 November 2009 (UTC)


I have restored the redirect. Quinlan Vos has garnered no significant coverage in third-party sources, and the content you restored failed to meet the burden of providing citations to reliable sources and to meet the guidelines for writing about elements of fiction. This character is better treated at Wookieepedia, which is linked from the List of characters page. I'm poking through his Databank entry looking for appropriate material to cite to expand his brief entry at that List. --EEMIV (talk) 21:25, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

The plot detail you're interested in presenting/expanding might be better spent on the comic book series itself -- that's essentially all the character's article entailed, and that fails WP:PLOT. However, it could be appropriate content for improving coverage of the overall comic series, which I'm sure has been subject to commentary and critique, and could be up to snuff. All the Star Wars comics-related articles I've seen are very much in need of improvement. --EEMIV (talk) 21:35, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Peer review/Bob Barr presidential campaign, 2008/archive1[edit]

Bob Barr presidential campaign, 2008 is currently under peer review. As a frequent editor of the page, your comments would be appreciated. Thanks. --William S. Saturn (talk) 00:33, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

Science lovers wanted![edit]

Science lovers wanted!
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I'm contacting you because, as a participant at Wikiproject Medicine, you may be interested in a new multinational non-profit organization we're forming at m:Wikimedia Medicine. Even if you don't want to be actively involved, any ideas you may have about our structure and aims would be very welcome on the project's talk page.

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Hope to see you there! --Anthonyhcole (talk) 07:24, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

The Wikipedia Library now offering accounts from Cochrane Collaboration (sign up!)[edit]

The Wikipedia Library gets Wikipedia editors free access to reliable sources that are behind paywalls. Because you are signed on as a medical editor, I thought you'd want to know about our most recent donation from Cochrane Collaboration.

  • Cochrane Collaboration is an independent medical nonprofit organization that conducts systematic reviews of randomized controlled trials of health-care interventions, which it then publishes in the Cochrane Library.
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Cheers, Ocaasi t | c 20:24, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

School treatment:[edit]

It is unfortunate that everywhere, even Wikipedia, there is absolutely no mention of what a school's participation might actually entail outside of exclusion of a child(ren) once head lice is found. Perhaps just another opinion, it is felt that even in institutionalized settings, where a child(ren) spends an actual 1/3 percent of their weekly lives, that this should be a topic of relative concern. Would it not be considered an irresponsible act for the schools, since, in fact, all articles recommend the treatment/regime to be followed at home by the child(ren)'s responsible party, as well as the total clean up of the home? Why is there no back up plan for the child(ren)'s safe position within the very environment from which they contracted head lice in the first place - school? As well, it seems the inconsistency in a school's responsibilities should be a point of reference for which needs to be revisited with great concern. If, when asked, a school's principal/administrator/etc only recites policy, which, again states nothing about the institution's 'responsibility' other than that of sending a child(ren) home, proves, in every aspect, and under the circumstances that this problem is/has been currently an epidemic through our school, that this issue needs to be firmly dealt with at, perhaps, the Legislative level. Following that, there must be confirmation upon content available to which informs the public of the safety measure met by and within the institutions to where children are required to go for other circumstances. Any thoughts? — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 16:40, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

The Pulse (WP:MED newsletter) June 2014[edit]

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BMJ offering 25 free accounts to Wikipedia medical editors[edit]

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Medical Translation Newsletter[edit]

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ArbCom elections are now open![edit]

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ArbCom Elections 2016: Voting now open![edit]

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