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page move[edit]

I have nomed it For G6 to make it way for move The Resident Anthropologist (talk) 21:48, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

It should occur shortly The Resident Anthropologist (talk)

Deletion review for Cracking the Quran Code[edit]

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Nomination of Peace and violence in Judaism for deletion[edit]

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Sockpuppetry case[edit]

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Speedy deletion nomination of Violence and peace in Islam[edit]

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What are you trying to tell me? That I have another account? no, I came to wikipedia while googling on Judaism, hitted the page you worked on violence and judaism. I have no interest in Israel or zionism or else. thanks.Marias87 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 01:12, 20 October 2010 (UTC).

re your edit on Judaism and violence[edit]

I am quoting here a few lines that are very relevant to your article:

There are three forms of obligatory wars: against the seven Canaaanite nations, against Alamalek, and agianst a nation that has launched an attack. The first two forms are no longer relevant. The seven Canaanite nations no longer exist and the command to destroy them cannot be transferred to other nations... However, the third form, against a nation that has launched an attack, remains relevant. Jews are commanded to defend themselves as part of the Mitzvah to preserve life.... before attacking a city an offer of peace must be extended. According to Maimonides, "We are enjoined that if we wage war on them we are to make a covenant with them to spare their lives ...

"Teaching Mitzvot: Concepts, Values, and Activities," Barbara Binder Kadden, Bruce Kadden. Behrman House, Inc, 1990, p. 241. ISBN: 0867050802. ---

Aloni and the truthers blog "counter punch"

Even from a Muslim author:

  • Israeli politics and the Middle East peace process, 1988-2002 - Page 72

...Shulamit Aloni of Meretz known for her anti- religious stance. [1]

(Title Israeli politics and the Middle East peace process, 1988-2002 Volume 6 of Durham modern Middle East and Islamic world series Author Hassan Abdulmuhdi Barari Publisher Psychology Press, 2004 ISBN 041532226X, 9780415322263)

  • Aug 4, 1998 ... Shulamit Aloni was first Education Minister until her anti-religious public remarks caused her removal...


As to 911 truthers and Counter punch, I trust your google ablities... I don't like to quote 911 "truthness" messages.Marias87 (talk) 23:55, 20 October 2010 (UTC)


I'm alarmed by your comment at Talk:Atheism. That's a serious accusation to be throwing around. --Tryptofish (talk) 23:21, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

My mistake. I've re-worded it to be clearer. --Noleander (talk) 04:49, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
Thanks!! --Tryptofish (talk) 15:38, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

Non-free files in your user space[edit]

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Jewish religious terrorism[edit]

In the talk page today I have suggested to re-name the article.-- Jim Fitzgerald post 15:44, 30 October 2010 (UTC)


Noleander, when you remove material you need to use some common sense. You recently removed material about the Talmud that helps explain a dearth of references to Jesus. It is true that there was a citation tag there but to be honest, I would have just removed the citation tag. Surely you know some people rack up edits by adding citation tags on almost every sntence. The fact is, most if not all of the bullet points you removed are all common knowledge and provide important contextual information about the Talmud. If you wish to argue that the material should not be presented as a polemic or argument, well, okay, I would agree with that. But in an article on Yeshu where much of the discussion concerned the Talmud, a link to the Talmud article is not enough. We really ought to have a brief paragraph providing important contextual information about the Talmud to help casual readers understand why there is a great deal of debate as to whether Jesus is mentioned in the Talmud at all, and why the passages some people claim refer to Jesus are - in a 63 volume work - pretty scant.

Why not consider taking those bullet points and rewriting them into such a paragraph? Not an argument, just important contextual information That would make for a real improvement. We should as a rule be loathe to remove from the encyclopedia relevant content. What you removed was not at all controversial, it does not violate NPOV.The facts are so commonly known (to anyone who knows anything about Judaism or Jewish history that it seems silly to ask for citations - they could come from any book on Jewish history or any introduction to the Talmud, it is like asking for a citation for the fact that George VI was succeded by Elizabeth II.

Controversial material without citations should indeed go, after a reasonable time. But if the material is informative and NOT controversial, why not look for a more appropriate way to keep it in the article? I am trying to give you general constructive advice. Slrubenstein | Talk 13:06, 31 October 2010 (UTC)


Looking over your work (I think it's yours) in the "Peace and war in Judaism" article on herem, you seem to have nailed most aspects of the issue (and what a puzzling issue it is!). I'm none too experienced and was curious if importing large quantities of an article into another is frowned upon. It's all good stuff and would save a great deal of time. Sol (talk) 03:45, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

Many thanks for your in-depth answer. I wanted to double check that there wasn't some style guideline I'd overlooked and I appreciate the detailed response. I'm very pleased it's possible to import the material into the herem article. I'll give it a shot later on and please let me know if there's something I've fumbled. On the topic of the rename, I agree. I'd hate for someone to type in "herem" while researching Jewish ecclesiastic punishments and think that excommunication also included complete destruction! "Herem (wars of extermination)" best describes the context I've seen it in, let's try it out on talk. Sol (talk) 03:52, 6 November 2010 (UTC)


And a thank you to you for promoting a collegial atmosphere - also something we can use more of here.--Kubigula (talk) 04:02, 6 November 2010 (UTC)