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Rfc on "Intellectual controversy" section of Oxford Round Table[edit]

I have made a request for comment [1] on the "Intellectual controversy" section of the Oxford Round Table article, which I notice you edited today. Would you like to participate? --Tony Sidaway 02:16, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

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AfD nomination of Oxford Round Table[edit]

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I have blocked this as a disruptive single purpose account. Guy (Help!) 20:01, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

{unblock|process for dealing with (allegedly) disruptive editors has not been followed in this case - why on earth have you jumped right to blocking me? "Disruptive editing" calls for addressing me on my talk page, then RfC, then ANI, and only then block. My early edits were problematic, yes, but I have gotten a few big clues since then and now have a clear understanding of what it takes to play by the rules here.}Nomoskedasticity (talk) 00:47, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

I've also asked for a review of all of the blocks that Guy made at the AN/I thread that seems to have sparked this. Pairadox (talk) 01:23, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

See similar request at User talk:Jrichardstevens. Cool Hand Luke 05:30, 9 February 2008 (UTC)


Your request to be unblocked has been granted for the following reason(s):

I find no evidence of disruption. Unblocked with blocking admin's consent at WP:ANI.

Request handled by: Sandstein (talk) 16:09, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

ANI thread (blocks by JzG)[edit]

For your information, the block is being discussed at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Review of three of the above blocks. Carcharoth (talk) 00:29, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your persistent efforts on this. I have left a few comments at the bottom of that AN/I section ("Summary of account activity"). Main thing is, it is very reassuring to see people doing the sort of review that you and a few others have done on this issue. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 17:19, 10 February 2008 (UTC)


I am currently on "autoblock" - I was blocked by "Guy" but am now unblocked by Sandstein (with Guy's assent). Autoblock appears to have nicked my IP address and is preventing me from editing even though the direct block has now been lifted.


Your request to be unblocked has been granted for the following reason(s):

Autoblock removed. --B (talk) 11:52, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Request handled by: B (talk) 11:52, 10 February 2008 (UTC)


If anyone is concerned about the possibility that I might be involved in sockpuppets on the ORT article, please see WP:Requests_for_checkuser/Case/Drstones for my response to the "likely" finding on CU. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 20:46, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Renomination of ORT article for deletion[edit]

I have been unstruck at the AfD page. Your comments should be welcome, too. Heck, the "Notavote" template says so explicitly.Academic38 (talk) 21:33, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

No Double Bluffing Please[edit]

Nomoskedasticity.. I would appreciate no personal attacks. PigeonPiece (talk) 05:09, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

But darling, I couldn't possibly have been more polite - courteous - inviting - welcoming! I am ready to be floored by your wisdom and bravery! Nomoskedasticity (talk) 14:05, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Where do you find all those cool icons for your user page?[edit]

Where do you find all those cool icons for your user page? I copied one (this user is an academic), but obviously some of what you have there doesn't apply to me. Thanks.Academic38 (talk) 18:39, 25 February 2008 (UTC)


Thanks for the comment Pini00001 (talk) 06:21, 5 May 2008 (UTC)


Let me refresh my memory. I'll leave a reply on the talk page once I have done so.

Cheers! Geo Swan (talk) 20:31, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

RE: Speedy[edit]

Could you point me towards the article, perchance? I've forgotten the title. I do remember what it was about though, and there were quite a few reliable sources using it as a main source for their articles, so (in my opinion) it's notable. Of course, you can go through AfD anyway if you'd like, but I'll try a rewrite first. Cheers, Master of Puppets Call me MoP! 13:42, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Minor Change[edit]

Thanks for informing me! Your help is appreciated -- Shaahin Shaahin (talk) 22:52, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

One more question, can you add the source to the sources list? I took the information about Jerusalem from here: 1- 2-

Shaahin (talk) 23:01, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

the love of pasta[edit]

i've been laughing for a whole minute because of your comment here. Bangpound (talk) 21:26, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. Mostly, wikipedia doesn't lend itself to humour - things get very serious; it's nice to lighten the tone when possible. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 21:49, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Regarding your revert.....[edit]

May I trouble you to expound upon your view of the external links policy? Which section in particular are you referring to? (If I didn't hold you in such high esteem, I would have reverted your revert immediately.)
--NBahn 00:46, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

That's odd, my signature doesn't seem to be posting properly.....
--NBahn 00:46, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for the kind words. I don't have anything against the content of the link - I just don't see why to include this particular article and not a multitude of others. And then it becomes a question of keeping links to a minimum as per WP:EL. If you want to point to a characteristic of that one that meets some other criterion in WP:EL, I won't make a fuss - I'm usually pretty relaxed about seeing my edits altered. cheers, Nomoskedasticity (talk) 11:55, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

WVU Academic Fraud[edit]

Hello. I saw that you made a few edits to the WVU Academic Fraud/MBA Controversy. I think that this deserves its own article, since it is too complicated to adequately explain on the WVU homepage and it would not fit well in any biography pages. I have started a draft of such an article here:User:TheZachMorrisExperience/WVU. If you can make any suggestion or edits, it would be appreciated. I'd like to get this article into good shape before putting it in the mainspace and subject to AFD or other attacks. Thanks!--TheZachMorrisExperience (talk) 19:36, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

re:Madonna Constantine[edit]

First, let me apologize if I'm doing this wrong or asking this question in the wrong place.

You wrote: "someone who sits in jail and claims "I'm not a thief" can safely be labelled a thief once convicted by a court; Columbia University is competent to determine that plagiarism has been established."

While I understand your point, I'm not sure that it is accurate in this case. I agree that Columbia is competent to determine that plagiarism has been established - but Columbia has not yet determined this. The president of Teachers College made this judgment publicly, but the matter is pending before a faculty committee.

While the press has all but declared Constantine guilty, they are not competent to judge the matter. Neither would a law firm hired by the College. A faculty committee would be. Plagiarism requires, among other things, a finding that an individual had access to the documents plagiarized. The similarity is undisputed in this case. The dispute is about priority and access, and no finding has been issued.

What the news pieces glossed over (and headline writers ignored) is that no competent authority has issued a finding on the issues of priority or access. The New York Times for example wrote that the college "announced" than an "investigation had found" Constantine guilty. While the president promoted this investigation to the media, it is unclear if the college had issued a finding of fact. Jwcampbe (talk) 15:41, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

I understand that Constantine is appealing, using the arguments in your final paragraph. But the sources used in this article clearly state that the college has determined that she has committed plagiarism and has been sanctioned (in an unspecified way). That she might have an argument for appeal doesn't change that basic fact. If there is indeed dispute about whether the college has in fact sanctioned her for plagiarism, that would be a different matter - but again as I read the sources there is no dispute on this score. cheers, Nomoskedasticity (talk) 15:56, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
I guess this is one of the frustrating things about having more knowledge of what is going on than is in the press. But if the College has not issued a final judgment on the matter - which I would argue that they have not, and I don't think the press has reported that they have - then isn't this still a matter of allegations or accusations, even if the president of the college has instituted some sort of temporary sanctions in the meantime? I feel like the idea that the college has issued a judgment is more of a matter of the tone of press coverage (and content of the headlines) than any reporting within the articles, most of which at least, attribute the finding of plagiarism to the law firm rather than the college. thanks for getting back to me so quickly. Jwcampbe (talk) 16:08, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
I do understand that frustration. I can also understand dissatisfaction with journalists - though in the case of the Chan article, there are direct quotes from university statements that seem to make it very clear the college has done. In more general terms, it might help to look at WP:V and WP:OR to get a sense of the approach I am taking here. cheers, Nomoskedasticity (talk) 16:14, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Help in reducing evidence[edit]

This is re: [2] Thanks for reminding me know about the 1000 words. I'm having real trouble reducing it (I cut it down substantially but the evidence and diffs are 1000 words on their own. Can you offer any advise specific to the content? The new content could be another batch of evidence in a new case... but I was advised to put it there. Thanks Oboler (talk) 18:56, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Never mind... reduced it as much as possible. Thanks again for the heads up. Oboler (talk) 19:50, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

"non-Jewish Arab"[edit]

"non-Jewish Arab" is not an awkward phrasing insofar as one realises that "Arab" may indeed include Jews, as it does Muslims, Christians, Druze. One would so too justly acknoweledge that there are Berber Jews, Indian Jews, Ethiopian Jews, Ashkenazi (West and East European) Jews, Sephardic (Spanish and Portuguese) Jews, Yemenite Jews, Persian Jews, Chinese Jews.

It is very important that this to be dinstinguished. Let us not forget that even today there are those that identify as Arab Jews, much more so yesteryear. To simply say one "Jewish" and one "Arab" introduces a connotation of the terms somehow being mutually exclusive of each other, a suggestion which is clearly not the case.

The partitioning of Mandate Palestine was in fact into 1) a Jewish side, and 2) a non-Jewish Arab side. That means, the Arab side was for Arabs of religious heritage except Jewish, while the Jewish side was for Jews of all ethno-cultural heritages including Arab. Al-Andalus (talk) 07:38, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Interesting ideas. To get them to stick, I think you would need to do two thing: first, demonstrate that this term is widely used in scholarly and journalistic discussions. Second, get consensus for it on the article talk page. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 08:21, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
The division of the Palestine Mandate was into a Jewish state and an Arab state; it specifically uses the phrase "Independent Arab and Jewish States" and talks about "Arabs" and "Jews". There was none of this nonsense about a "non-Jewish Arabs". Jayjg (talk) 02:23, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

We know what two terms were employed. That is not what is contested. What is contested, and requires clarification, is how one of the terms was employed. That term being "Arab". In the legal arena, the use of two innately non-mutually-exclusive terms in such a construct contitutes a legal ambiguity (given the recognized authority of the United Nations from where the resolution eminates from; a quasi-legal body, even if its resolutions and declarations are binding only in those jurisdictions which have enacted its authority as recognizable under their domestic legal systems). That very legal nature necessitates the interpretation of the ambiguous term. It has always boggled the mind how such flimsy wording and ambiguous terminology (given the purpose of the resolution) was employed in the first place, or how the interpretation of Arab had never been demanded by the international community for the actual implementation of the resolution.

It would be interesting if another area had been devided under the same guise with the same wording; Independent Ethiopian and Jewish States; Independent Russian and Jewish States; Independent German and Jewish States; Independent Indian and Jewish States. We should think about the implications that would have created for the world. Al-Andalus (talk) 12:04, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Lustick etc.[edit]

'Nómos' will be obvious to all. skedánnûmi (σκεδάννυμι), to disperse, shiver (into fragments). It's not that many don't understand: they are, many of them, highly intelligent techies: it's just that a genetic mutation has occurred, and the older style of learning looks like fossilized tomfoolery. For one thing, the old dinosaur world in which I was reared, was comfortable navigating its way through several levels of meaning. They are accustomed to a binary world, of simple choices, and quick economic 'solutions' that sweep complications under the carpet. I'm not playing 'the age card' as one remarked. It's just that I bumbled like a garrulous geezer into a youth culture that takes subtlety as a symptom of old-codgery, the doddering dialectics of oldsters maladapted to their world, which is the only 'real' one they think exists.Regards (p.s.It would be nice if you, or an acquaintence with specialised talents for it on Wiki, could copyedit the text. It has numerous grammatical or stylistic errors, apart from other problems) Nishidani (talk) 08:16, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Citation required[edit]

The text for which you requested a citation on the Jerusalem page runs:-

'Recent excavations of a large stone structure are interpreted by some archaeologists as lending credence to the biblical narrative.'[citation needed]

The point is discussed in
John J.Collins, A Short Introduction to the Hebrew Bible, Abridged and revised ed. Augsburg Fortress Press, Minneapolis, Minnesota, 2007 pp.128f., and that should suffice for the required quote. Regards Nishidani (talk) 16:39, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks - but I can't really add a citation to a book that I haven't actually read (and my university library doesn't own it). It's not plausible that anyone would revert the addition of a citation like this - and if they did revert it because it was you who added it, I will immediately take it to AN/I. regards, Nomoskedasticity (talk) 17:13, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
Exquisitely correct. I'll plunk it down in the edits-to-be-made section I created. I must look like a bit of a wimpish stickler for not interfering on the page. Perhaps things will change in the future. The important thing is that one possible source is available to editors. (It may actually end up in your Uni library. It's a marvel of erudite concision, and will be a standard ref. in the future)Regards Nishidani (talk) 17:26, 14 June 2008 (UTC)


I have granted rollback rights to your account; the reason for this is that after a review of some of your contributions, I believe I can trust you to use rollback correctly by using it for its intended usage of reverting vandalism, and that you will not abuse it by reverting good-faith edits or to revert-war. For information on rollback, see Wikipedia:New admin school/Rollback and Wikipedia:Rollback feature. If you do not want rollback, just let me know, and I'll remove it. Good luck and thanks. PeterSymonds (talk) 17:10, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

your comment[edit]

Regarding your comment here: Are your spiting me for coming up with a source that may become the basis for a useful addition of content? Everyme (was Dorftrottel) (talk) 15:58, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Source, please[edit]

Dear Nomoskedasticity, could you please substantiate your claim that Wikipedia:Autobiography rules out my editing supported by verifiable sources? Apcbg (talk) 10:49, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

What is it about WP:AUTO that you don't understand? Nomoskedasticity (talk) 12:14, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
It’s not about my understanding or lack of it. You wrote: “User:Apcbg, please do not edit this article, per WP:AUTOBIOGRAPHY”, so it’s up to you to explain exactly where did you find such a prohibition for me to edit. Apcbg (talk) 16:10, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

development section[edit]

Don't you think that it can be argued that it deserved mention, if not elaboration? After all, this is the THE question that shapes the face of the city. I don't think it should get much longer than it is now. Best LamaLoLeshLa (talk) 20:26, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

Jerusalem - 1967 Unification or annexation[edit]

I have requested mediation of the discussion of the 1967 War at Jerusalem here and am currently alone in arguing that the term 'unification' should be paired with 'annexation'. What do you think? LamaLoLeshLa (talk) 04:47, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
Apologies, but I'm not going to get drawn into this one. I agree with the general notion that there is sometimes a tendency to try to depoliticise certain things re Jerusalem that are inevitably political. But on this one I just think it's not worth the fight. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 05:18, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
Understood. I just want to clarify that I actually have been arguing for depoliticized language, am working for the heading to get changed to "1967 War" rather than "Division and unification." What I was pointing out is that "unification" is an Israeli perspective, so if people want the word included, they would have to include the Palestinian perspective, "annexation" to foster NPOV. But overall I actually prefer neutral language in this case, because it is a heading and should not tell readers how to interpret events, just help orient them to the structure. But this debate has been very very very very (did I say very?) frustrating, so I understand why one would want to stay out of it. (On the other hand, I think it's a lot more frustrating when one is accused of holding a fringe perspective, all alone, than when 4 or 5 other editors are fending off the blows together:( Excuse the guilt trip:) I am exhausted. Best, LamaLoLeshLa (talk) 17:43, 24 July 2008 (UTC)


I really don't mean this to be hostile in the slightest, but you really must check the history logs before tagging red triangles to user talk pages. My last revert was 21:04, 24 July 2008, the one before 17:44, 24 July 2008, the one before 12:46, 24 July 2008 and the one before 12:09, 23 July 2008, thats a 37 minute break between my last revert and the the fourth last. ;)

And since we're talkin, please can I ask you to read my Merger Proposal turned Rename Proposal section on the Haredi Judaism talk page and give your honest view? I have no intention of getting into an edit war, its just that we have a sockpuppet of a banned user in the discussion heating it up.

ephix (talk) 02:42, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

I placed the warning when I did in order to head off a "violation" (i.e., knowing that the rule hadn't actually been broken yet), mainly because I figured that an additional revert in a 24-hour period would have produced a harsher response from one of the others; "lack of hostility" was genuine. As for the renaming proposal, I wouldn't object but I don't consider it necessary. I'd love to know who the sockpuppet is, though. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 12:03, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
enable email in your account prefs. ephix (talk) 16:16, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

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Interestingly, you have no edits in common with the WP:SPA editor Lfapn (talk · contribs). You're not patroller either. How did you come across my blanket reverts? Toddst1 (talk) 20:03, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

One of the pages you reverted is on my watchlist. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 20:15, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
Ok. It's pretty rare for someone to have a page they've never edited on their watchlist. Do you have any connection with the user? Toddst1 (talk) 00:14, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
None. It's a new SPA - how could I? Nomoskedasticity (talk) 06:50, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
The user said she had connections to other more experienced editors at Wikipedia. Being that someone noticed her work, it seemed logical that it might be you. No biggy either way. Toddst1 (talk) 14:42, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Oxford Round Table[edit]

You seem to have a slow-motion edit war going on with PigeonPiece (talk · contribs). Even if you had left a meaningful edit summary, at this point, I would strongly urge you to discuss and reach consensus before reverting. See WP:Own. Toddst1 (talk) 03:51, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Apologies for lack of edit summary - I had gotten lazy. Anyway I gather the situation there is now clear. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 06:01, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

If you are going to take away the truth about the Oxford Round Table, we should delete this whole entry, it is wasting everyone's time. Also, your sources are not official, they are all opinionated. I have been researching this subject, and you seem to have no knowledge, whatsoever, about the Oxford Round Table. User:Astutescholar

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University Bible Fellowship - Spanish Article

Your work on the English article for University Bible Fellowship is much appreciated, and was a major reason why the COI could be resolved. I have found that a Spanish article has been created, and has many of the same issues that the English article had: University Bible Fellowshp - Spanish. It appears that you speak Spanish, so would you be willing to bring the Spanish entry in line with the English entry? Also, can you point me to any Wikipedia guideline for non-English entries? Bkarcher (talk) 16:42, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

The relationship between different-language entries on the same topic is an interesting question, and I don't know the answer. You might try asking an admin, perhaps on one of the noticeboards. I'm confident that it won't work simply to argue that the Spanish article should be brought into line with the English article (why wouldn't it be vice versa, if one were starting with a different point of view?); I think it would be a question of trying to gain consensus on the talk page, and I see you have tried to start that discussion there. To work in another language, you might simply try writing simple sentences and using babelfish or google to translate it (and to read others' responses). The Spanish article is protected at the moment, and I doubt it will be unprotected until there is some progress on the talk page. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 11:34, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
Thanks. My main concern is not that the other language articles conform to the English article, but that the Wikipedia issues be resolved. The other articles have little if any verifiable sources. Some of the wording is copied from English (or the English was copied from the Spanish, French or German). Bkarcher (talk) 15:49, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
  • Can you (or someone besides me) check the references in the University Bible Fellowship article Controversy section? I found one that is about ICC, not UBF. Bkarcher (talk) 01:08, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

Allen Esterson[edit]

Nomoskedasticity, regarding your edit to Allen Esterson, the details you removed were neither 'tedious' in my opinion, and nor were they 'unencylopedic'. They were about the argument of Esterson's book, and they were quite interesting. I'm not going to revert your edit for the moment, however, if you want to remove such material you have to do more to justify it. Skoojal (talk) 21:28, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

Bible spice

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Alan Arnold[edit]

Hi, I read that you deleted my new article on Alan Arnold - as it infringed G11. (which it did at the time). However I believe I followed the rules and started the article with an 'UnderConstruction' tag; which I understood from the help text would allow me time to finish constructing the article and adding references. It appears I was wrong, so will prepare it off-line before having another go. Will this 2nd attempt count against the article? Please excuse any mistakes/omissions above, I've not been deleted before, so this bit of Wiki is new to me Bent strings (talk) 22:42, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Hi, I proposed it for deletion not because of the state the article was in but because after some searching it did not appear that this person was notable. A second attempt would succeed only if there are references to reliable sources that make it clear he meets the requirements of WP:N. You're welcome to try -- perhaps put it on your talk page first and request feedback from other editors; if you want mine I'll be happy to offer it. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 11:18, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

ANI thread[edit]

Please see here. Carcharoth (talk) 05:23, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Those have already been checked.[edit]

See Wikipedia:Requests for checkuser/Case/Astutescholar for earlier checkusers. I am aware of the correct order of the accounts, and know most of the background of this situation. All prior accounts have been indef blocked. The RFCU is under Astutescholar's name mainly because whoever posted the first RFCU on this situation mistakenly used that rather than Pigeonpiece's name. For the sake of continuity, I have merely maintained that standard. 17:42, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

re: Jerusalem[edit]

Hi. First, I'm glad you agree that those edits needed to be reverted. Second, I admit I might have been too hasty in calling it vandalism, as least the first time. I assumed vandalism based on the IP's edit history, the article's history and the fact he left no edit summary and no message on the talk page. On second thought, perhaps I should have assumed good faith. Cheers, -- Nudve (talk) 09:53, 21 October 2008 (UTC)


I saw your comments on ORT. Do you think Sidewaystory (talk · contribs) is our friend once again? Toddst1 (talk) 19:22, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Possibly not -- this one doesn't have the same nearly-incomprehensible English, the writing is actually quite clear. I do however think it's also very clear that this is another someone editing on behalf of ORT Inc. -- looking at the refs provided, it's hard to imagine how this editor could have known about those urls otherwise (I'm sure they were created recently for the express purpose of inclusion here). So, possible COI concerns -- but given my history of involvement on this page I'm reluctant to rush in with warning myself, at least without seeing how it develops. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 20:55, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Thank you[edit]

Thank you for your contributions to the discussion at Talk:Landmark Education. Cirt (talk) 16:12, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Ronn Torossian[edit]

Thanks, I forgot about 3RR there. And I'm afraid I've unleashed the 5W meatpuppet army with my edit in the article. --Mosmof (talk) 14:18, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Please do not make unsourced edits without explanation. [[User talk: —Preceding unsigned comment added by Binyaminyigal (talkcontribs) 10:40, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

This is your 2nd warning. Dont make unsourced edits. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 12:05, 12 November 2008 (UTC)


Please how do i add refencs to Femi Fani Kayode? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Afajide (talkcontribs) 10:14, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

James David Manning[edit]

In regards to your revert of my removal per WP:COPYVIO, I did some research. I would like to apologize for my removal of your and other editor's work, as it was incorrect. That section was first created in June of this year, updated by you in September and then other small changes made since. The website I cited in my edit summary was, in fact, violating the copyright of Wikipedia. I contacted the admin of this website and the text has now been was replaced with the following:

I guess wiki didn't like us pulling info from his page so it was removed....

Thanks Wiki Lady!!

Apologies for the misunderstanding. لennavecia 20:06, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, no problem. The only thing is, I'm not sure that Wikipedia holds the kind of copyright over material here that actually prevents other people from copying it. Perhaps they are supposed to provide an acknowledgement of the source -- I don't understand everything about GNU and GFDL and all that -- but I'm not sure they were wrong to copy it. regards, Nomoskedasticity (talk) 23:07, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Again please remove the quote it was only added to the site to show she seen we removed the paragraph once I got the e-mail your quote on this page was removed from our site. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 01:44, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

We have a few requirements, which I detailed to them. They opted to remove the paragraph rather than fulfill the required obligations, which are basically that they must credit Wikipedia, link to the article, and also release their use under GDFL. Considering it was displayed on the main page of their copyrighted website, I'm thinking they probably didn't want to switch to GDFL. So, basically, yes, they were wrong to copy it. We're free content but with conditions, and when the conditions aren't met, it's copyright infringement. :) لennavecia 01:47, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Did anyone ever help you with the new infringement problem? لennavecia 15:35, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

Not that I'm aware of -- the guy's web site hasn't changed. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 18:45, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
Okay, I sent an email requesting compliance. For posterity: Wikipedia:Standard GFDL violation letter. لennavecia 02:16, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
 Done. Just waiting for the GFDL to be added to their server and all will be in compliance. As it is, they've licensed the article under the GFDL and cited us. لennavecia 03:42, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Comments on Femi Fani-Kayode: Re: Airport incident,girlfriend and money laundering (Libel and Defamation)[edit]

The above is not only untrue but it is also libellous,disinformation from web vandals and the gutter press.The lady(chioma ansoh)did not have any abortion and she is not Fani-Kayode's mistress.Fani-Kayode was never arrested in connection with any money laundring airport incident and the lady that was mentioned has even sued the paper that published the story about her alleged and so called money laundring in Nigeria.Even the Nigerian customs have denied it ever happened.The story was refuted on several occassions including Thisday Newspaper,Nigeria. Please dont allow such falsehood to be spread on ur site.Wikipedia is much bigger and better than that.

[[3]] —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 01:32, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

Happy holidays[edit]

Toddst1 (talk) 04:18, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

OJ Pic[edit]

The issue is not a "content dispute". The picture is causing bona fide discomfort to the parties in it. The article is not harmed by its lack. Why are you intent on causing emotional distress to people when other options are available? -- Avi (talk) 15:30, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

I'm being very straightforward in my approach to this. My main issue is with the notion that any page should be edited according to rules that apply only to members of a particular religion or group. As for whether there is genuine discomfort, there is no more reason to believe this is true now than when it was last discussed -- on which see here. I do not believe the couple in question know about the picture, and I certainly don't think it has been shown they know about it. What I think is that the picture upsets certain people who object to pictures of "their" women -- and if we cater to those feelings we engage in censorship. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 15:42, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
So you are calling me a liar when I say that there has been correspondence to OTRS about this, and I even brought the ticket number? That's rather kind of you Face-smile.svg -- Avi (talk) 16:00, 24 December 2008 (UTC)My misunderstanding. -- Avi (talk) 16:29, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
I said no such thing, and I didn't even imply it. As I said on the article talk page, I am aware that there was OTRS correspondence. But the point that was made when this was discussed in February is that there was precious little reason to believe that the person who contacted Wikipedia on this issue was the couple in question; anyone could send an email message claiming to be those people. Now, given that this was the conclusion reached at that point and the photo has remained on the page since then, what has happened now to suddenly convince everyone that the complaint was real? As best I can tell, nothing; the only thing that has happened today is that an anonymous/IP editor removed the photo -- and now we're discussing the whole thing again as if we never did before. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 16:12, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
OK, sorry that I misunderstood you. I've struck my comments. -- Avi (talk) 16:29, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
As for why it came back up, another e-mail came in to OTRS this week. -- Avi (talk) 16:39, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

TalkTalk page mods[edit]

Hello, I've been editing elements of the TalkTalk page, as you have noticed. In terms of Wikipedia culture and process, it's possible I may have made a couple of early errors (although not, I believe, in the content). For example, I don't know if it's even good form to write on someone else's Talk page - forgive me if this is the case. We've all got to learn.

Anyway, I'm happy to work with you on the TalkTalk page - in fact it would be worthwhile for me to have some etiquette advice from someone more experienced along the way. theredrocket (talk) 17:55, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

No problems, this is exactly the sort of thing people's talk pages are for. cheers, Nomoskedasticity (talk) 22:57, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Regarding reversions[4] made on February 12 2009 to Haredi Judaism [edit]

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The duration of the block is 24 hours. William M. Connolley (talk) 21:57, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

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I have notified the blocking admin of your request. Toddst1 (talk) 23:44, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
Thank you, that's very kind. I have to concede it makes sense that the rule states that it does not matter whether the same changes are involved. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 23:54, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Edit in Ronn Torossian[edit]

In Ronn Torossian, I noticed your edit ended up keeping the bit about Torossian commenting on the FBI raid, but I'm not sure if a PR man simply commenting on an event is notable enough for mention in an article, considering it's their job to speak on behalf of their clients. I'd think it wouldn't really be notable unless the PR agency itself was somehow involved in the controversy (i.e. Agriprocessors), rather than simply speaking on it. --Mosmof (talk) 14:57, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

I'm not terribly concerned about it either way. I do see your point -- but perhaps there is also some value in not reverting absolutely everything added/changed by that editor; I kept that part simply because it had the virtue of being properly referenced. --Nomoskedasticity (talk) 15:01, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

Unclear on the divorce issue. Google it. The man's not married ?

( (talk) 15:08, 14 February 2009 (UTC)).

Here's the correct link. I misunderstood... u were right on the missing link. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 15:11, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

Brafman link as requested: ( (talk) 16:11, 14 February 2009 (UTC)).


J: "I don't want to edit-war" [5]

J: "Guess I'll do it after all" [6]

My objection re dishonesty: [7]

"Defamation": here and here

Re: Deletion of redirect[edit]

 Done, speedy deleted as G8. Cheers, –Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone 19:11, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Essay Writers[edit]

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NN company. No RS found, except for borderline trivial mention in one publication.

All contributions are appreciated, but this article may not satisfy Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and the deletion notice should explain why (see also "What Wikipedia is not" and Wikipedia's deletion policy). You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the {{dated prod}} notice, but please explain why you disagree with the proposed deletion in your edit summary or on its talk page.

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Could you take a look at the RfC for "minimum wage"?[edit]

We desperately need some outside editors to take a look at this. Thanks. Academic38 (talk) 14:33, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

AfD on Robert Mihaly[edit]

Hi, Just to let you know that I've put the Mihaly article on an AfD - see [[8]]. Please do feel free to comment. (I have replied to your comment re: artistic notability on the Mihaly talkpage - he fails artistic notability). My own feeling on the article is that it should be deleted for now. It can be recreated at a later date should Mihaly achieve notability as an artist or as an indivual. But I shan't get too hot and bothered if you say otherwise! All the best! Setwisohi (talk) 19:26, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

AfD on Robert Mihaly[edit]

Hi Nomoskedasticity! Please review and comment on the Mihaly article on the AfD entry page (for the article). I have contributed to the notability argument both on the discussion page and on the page entry. It is my humble suspicion that the nomination of this article for deletion is in part the result of political bias against political viewpoints expressed in Mihaly's art (antiauthoritarian and pro-decentralization), viewpoints in direct opposition to those ideals supported on the Setwisohi's (spelling corrected 06Apr2009) user page (pro-centrailization). We all should strive for utmost objectivity, especially in areas of media, an area already incredibly compromised by political bias.Carolinequarrier (talk) 23:50, 2 April 2009 (UTC)


My apologies. I will refrain from the allusion to potential bias in the future. My comment above is unfounded and adds nothing to the discussion at hand.Carolinequarrier (talk) 14:28, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Essay Writers[edit]

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Please contact me if you're unsure why you received this message. Lucinor (talk) 10:08, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Tom Riall[edit]

I've made some wikignome edits to Tom Riall. Nothing major, I think, just augmented and checked the references, and added some internal links. You might want to look it over in case you are unhappy with any changes: I'm in danger of going WP:OVERLINK I think. I need to sort out some of the references at Serco but that's a bigger job, anyway I have copied the speeding fine references into the article there under new section "Serco#Controversy". SimonTrew (talk) 13:08, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Looks fine to me. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 13:13, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Dr. Seal has requested deletion[edit]

If you would like an email from Dr. Seal for verification, please indicate where it should be sent. Reidthaler (talk) 14:20, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Dr. Seal has emailed Wikipedia and requested that the article be removed:

It has already been nominated for deletion as the article may only

minimally meets the criteria for inclusion.  Nonetheless, I request

that the article be deleted in accordance with your deletion policy 4.3:

4 Presumption in favor of privacy
4.3 Articles about people notable only for one event

I posted this article without Dr. Seal's approval or permission and request that you respect her privacy and remove the article as it also may pose a threat to her work helping disabled veterans.

Reidthaler (talk) 21:55, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

May 2009[edit]

Information.svg Welcome to Wikipedia. It might not have been your intention, but your recent edit removed content from University of the West of England. When removing text, please specify a reason in the edit summary and discuss edits that are likely to be controversial on the article's talk page. If this was a mistake, don't worry; the text has been restored, as you can see from the page history. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia, and if you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. Thank you. think it would have been better to put a citation needed tag rather than deleting an entire esection of an artice. Jezhotwells (talk) 20:46, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

You must not be familiar with WP:DTTR, and you seem to have overlooked the part of my edit summary that characterized that section as fluff -- in other words, don't tell me I didn't provide a reason in the edit summary. You're entitled to disagree with my reason, but here's hoping you can find a more constructive way of saying so in the future. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 21:40, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
Sorry about that. I feel it would have been better to have placed a citation needed tag. Jezhotwells (talk) 18:26, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

James David Manning Unreferenced[edit]

Good catch. I don't know what I was thinking.—C45207 | Talk 14:35, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Why did you remove the edit. He is an admitted child molester and I posted a link with info on the statement. I think this should be known for the safety of children and their parents. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 07:42, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Apart from the other obvious issues, it's not even the same Manning. Get a clue... Nomoskedasticity (talk) 07:54, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Well I might of posted the wrong link.. my..bad, but the James D. Manning from Atlah is also a child molester. Soon as I get the info I am posting the info along with the correct reference.

Halilsoy Article[edit]

Hello Nom, Thank you for pointing out neutrality articles and approaching the matter in good faith. But would you please continue on deciding on the deletion or not Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mustafa Halilsoy. I don't know who is going to decide though. Greetings, --mcyp (talk) 18:21, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

A question for you. Have you ever worked in Eastern Mediterranean University? --mcyp (talk) 18:25, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

The deletion process has three steps: nomination, discussion, and then a decision made by an administrator. So it won't be my decision to delete it or not -- I simply nominated it. The discussion will run for another couple of days, to give more people a chance to contribute.
I have never worked at EMU, never been to Cyprus. regards, Nomoskedasticity (talk) 18:43, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks a lot. Greetings, --mcyp (talk) 18:46, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

I am sorry to be very skeptical, but do you have a friend/colleague that worked in EMU before? if so you may also have direct conflict of interest WP:Conflict. While I see from your edits, you are not interested in Physics or Cyprus at all? Why is this nomination for deletion is come out all of a sudden?

--mcyp (talk) 11:02, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Sorry to disappoint you, but I don't know a single person at EMU, currently or formerly. I don't recall how I got to the article on EMU; one follows paths via wikilinks and editors. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 11:19, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

West Virginia University[edit]

I would like to know the reason why you feel that the Heather Bresch scandal is relevant to the West Virginia University page. All other information on that page is historical, informational, factual, and pertinent information. The only purpose of that section is to damage the article. If you go to the pages of other prominent universities, you will not find a section of the page that discusses scandals no matter how major they are. This was not even a national news story. If you go to Florida State University's page you do not see any information about their recent allegations of academic dishonesty. If you feel this information is so significant, I ask that you create it as a seperate article, and then add a link to it. Please consider this information and get back to me. Thank you. Kbr1656 (talk) 10:24, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

The place to discuss this is on the article talk page -- that is where changes can be proposed and consensus for those changes reached. I am not the only one you'd have to convince. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 11:33, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

"European University" wikilinks[edit]


Thank you very much for your message on my user page.

Let me explain the rational that I use by adding the section to the EUs pages.

First, please note, that by adding the links I did not refer to the direct connection between the EUs. The objective was to faciliate search of other universities bearing the name European. That's why the name of the section "See also" (but not, e.g., "Direct connections" or similar). From my own experience of communicating in the international academic arena with students from at least three of the EUs mentioned, the confusion as for the location is often caused by the presence of the word "European" in the name. Thus, thinking of the use of the wikipages by potential applicants/people interested, it makes perfect sense to add the section.

If you have doubts, please have a look at a similar section at the University of Michigan wikipage (featured article btw) which bears links to University of Michigan-Flint and University of Michigan–Dearborn, although there is no direct "connection" between the three.

Second, there is, however, an important not visible side where connection between the EUs is more obvious. This is funding sources. Take for example CEU and EUSPb - both were established with the general and major contribution by George Soros. Also EUI and EUSPb are both funded with reources of the European Commission (its TACIS programme in the case of the latter).

Finally, the connection between the universities is their recognition by European Council, and the presence of courses taught not only in the official language of the country of origin, but also in English. This is an important edge to the issue, and is the case of the EU of Lefke too. For example, it is a member of such a body as, European Council for Business Education (ECBE). It is also reconginsed/accredited by IUAA, WAUC, etc.

Thus, you certainly are free to remove the "see also" section on all "European" university pages. However, please, in case you decide to do that, then do so sonsistently: that is delete the "See also" section across all of the E. uni pages (last time somehow you left the EUSPb page unedited).

Yours sincerely,

Maxim Bouev Maxim Bouev 13:11, 26 August 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Filich (talkcontribs) follow up:

Other analogies I thought about were University of London (with its numerous colleges) and University of California (with its numerous campuses). Although in these two cases all the separate consituent Unis are sub-parts of one overruling body in each respective country.

maybe it makes sense to call the section differently: "Pages of otehr European universities" or smth like that?

Regards, Maxim Bouev 13:26, 26 August 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Filich (talkcontribs)

But this is the point: the word European simply doesn't mean anything here. Unlike the Michigan case, where they are all institutions run by one state. And a great many universities might be recognized by the "European Council" but not use the word European in their official name. Really, you're making too much of the use of that word in institution names. The European University Institute and the European University of Lefke have almost nothing to do with one another, as far as I know. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 13:30, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Hi, I'm Omrganews, and I can't find other place to contact with you. Some one from competition add info about European University is Unaccredited and thats is a blasphemy and try to create a negative impression of the institutions, the article was neutral without intetion of ad, only facts and history and informations like a lot of university example, but some one wrote negative things and I only trying to keep neutral like before. What the problem of that? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Omrganews (talkcontribs) 09:26, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

First things first: what is your association with European University. Do you work for them or study there? Nomoskedasticity (talk) 09:28, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

I work with them, but our intention was add and articles not create an ad, but we frequently have 2 or 3 competition that usually changes the article for bad things, this was the reason that I modified the content because we found loss of prestige content. Let me know what is the problem, because I not understand of all. Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by Omrganews (talkcontribs) 09:37, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. WP:COI notice placed. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 09:42, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your help, I read the FAQ/Organizations article and I create a discussion topic in the article, I hope you could read and give me your feedback about if its correct. Omrganews (talk—Preceding undated comment added 10:29, 1 September 2009 (UTC).

Dear Nomo,

My name is Carl Craen. I m an Alumni of the European University Barcelona and working for EU.

I tried to give you the proof of the European University Status (accreditations, recognitions, memberships and candidate status of accreditation with ACBSP in the United States.) but the information was removed.

European University is a Swiss based business School with an official authorization to operate by the Canton of Geneva in Switzerland. We have also a branch in The Hague in Holland who is officially recognized and accredited by the Dutch government. The European University group went through a professional American Accreditation and is in the final stage with ACBSP Association of Collegiate Business Schools and Programs. Please consult their website.

I can provide you all the official documents and links if you want. But please help me to rectify the status of EU on Wikipedia. A lot of former employees (some of them started their own school) , former co-workers etc.. are trying to damage the Image of EU in saying that we are not allowed to operate and are not accredited. We have a network of more than 15 campuses world wide and yes we closed 2 or 3 campuses during the last 10 years due to restructuring and this created some enemies etc...

So please how can I proceed in this case. I would really appreciate you help

Many thanks

Carl--Orman1 (talk) 12:51, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

This query needs to go to the talk page: Talk:European_University. As you will see there, however, [this is not academic accreditation, instead merely a business license. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 12:55, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

This is our license from the public department in Geneva that allows EU to offer business degrees. Can you please check also the accreditation documents from the Dutch state. And our Candidate Status with ACBSP.

By the way IMD in Lausanne has exactly the same status that we have in Switzerland and it is one of the world's leading business schools. Is IMD recognized by the swiss state?

Please try to help me with issue

Thanks a lot Carl--Orman1 (talk) 13:07, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Please read academic accreditation. And please take these queries to the talk page indicated above. I will not reply to further messages left here about this issue. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 13:11, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Your inquiry[edit]

Regarding your inquiry [9], the prior account was Smee. Cirt (talk) 17:46, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

It is no secret that 2+ years ago, when he edited as Smee, Cirt was an edit warrior. His detractors claim he changed usernames to hide that history. Jimbo Wales and I were in contact with him at the time, and the actual reason behind several months' wikibreak and a name change was personal security and the risk of real world harassment. Since his return Cirt has made the most remarkable reform I have witnessed in four years as a Wikipedian: he has become a prolific featured content contributor, is Wikipedia's featured portal director, and has been promoted to administrator on five Wikimedia sites including this one. Cirt has also become an OTRS volunteer and was recently reelected to the arbitration committee at Wikinews. During the recent Scientology arbitration his actions were heavily scrutinized and the Committee concluded no wrongdoing since 2007. Durova306 17:56, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for both replies. I wasn't here two years ago; anyway I have never seen anything in Cirt's edits that would make me dissent from Durova's assessment. I suppose the question is whether other editors have reformed in similar measure, e.g. Spacefarer after being blocked for sockpuppets; I don't see Spacefarer's recent contributions to the LE talk page as disruptive. Cirt, I do think it is very slightly disingenuous to link Spacefarer to the Eastwaybay case (as here) when the CU finding there was that they were unrelated. In any event it's possible that the topic ban is overkill given that things have been pretty calm on LE recently compared to older history (I don't know the situation on other related articles). Nomoskedasticity (talk) 18:10, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
The Eastwaybay case was linked to because that was where checkusers made the confirmed finding that Spacefarer had socked. Spacefarer's contributions to this topic and edits to the article itself are focused on removing criticism of the company. Cirt (talk) 18:19, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
Yes, I see that former point now. And looking at Spacefarer's history, I think that editor is being disingenuous in trying to explain away the connection between the two accounts. Anyway, while I agree that he/she is focused on trying to remove criticism, that editor has made all of 6 edits in 2009, none of them disruptive. (I can see that Cirt reverted the ones in July to the litigation article, properly in my view.) So I guess my main point is that, while that editor has not turned into an active productive contributor, I'm not sure that recent activity justifies a topic ban. Normal vigilance on the articles might suffice. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 18:50, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

To answer your question[edit]

You asked on the discussion on the AN whether I am, or have ever been, involved in assisting for Landmark Education. I don't think it has any bearing on my contributions to Wikipedia, but I have no objection to giving you a direct answer. Some years ago I coached on several of Landmark's communications courses, which is a form of assisting. It involved working with four or five of the course participants and supporting them in healing rifts and misunderstandings with people in their lives. As stated on my user page, my only relationship with the company is as a broadly satisfied customer. It is several years since I did any of their courses (or any assisting) and I have no plans to do so, but I don't rule out the possibility that I might at some time in the future.

To re-iterate what I have also said elsewhere, my intention in editing that article or its talk page is to have it be a fair, honest, well-written piece in accordance with Wikipedia policies.

Thank you for your evident commitment to be straightforward and fair.

You plainly do have some viewpoint or opinion on Landmark yourself - do you mind if I ask you to declare it, and maybe say something about the experience that formed it? Thanks. DaveApter (talk) 18:49, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. I attended the Forum many years ago -- liked some of it, didn't like other parts. So my opinions are mixed and not very strong. In general I object to the use of Wikipedia by external parties to further their interests (I got started on Wikipedia at the Oxford Round Table page). It might sound like that attitude guides my edits on the LE page -- but I don't feel I have the same degree of confidence (in comparison to ORT) that that is the right way to describe the edits some people make. So I simply try to approach it in what ought to be the normal way: when someone adds to the page in ways that satisfy V and RS, I'm likely to object when someone tries to remove it, especially as part of a pattern of edits that add up to an agenda. This is why I insisted on including the "accusations of cult" sentence even though I don't really agree that LE is a cult.
You might want to be aware of this. I have undone it; not sure what will happen next and I don't intend to repeat my own edit there. regards, Nomoskedasticity (talk) 20:24, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Visiting the Philippines[edit]

Hi Nom, You have been everywhere, except the Philippines. Why don't you visit the Philippines? See for yourself a number of significant but underresearched topics in sociology in this country of some 7,100 islands. (talk) 00:04, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Dieter Korn[edit]

Hi Nomoskedasticity, what shoul be included in the Dieter Korn article to establish notability for a paleontologist? You note in your edit summary that "notability not established here, and I don't see it in google scholar or news" the vast majority of paleontologists dont amke the news as the fields that are working in are not considered interesting to the media. as for scholar a search for "Dieter Korn" turns up 14,900 hits of which the first 5 pages are all papers authored/coauthored by Dr. Korn.--Kevmin (talk) 20:54, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Well, the answer to your question is: reliable sources, as against his own web site and cv. I'm sure he's done good research, but one's own publications don't count as sources or evidence of notability. And you only get that many hits if you don't use quotes for the search terms: if you actually search for "Dieter Korn" on GS you get 150. Slim pickings, I'm afraid. But I'd be pleased if you can find more. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 21:29, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Article (BLP) For Deletion[edit]

Thank you for your comment concerning the BLP nominated for Deletion Ray Joseph Cormier. Since the Afd tag was placed on the article, the 3rd attempt to have it expunged by the same individual, according to Wikipedia traffic statistics, over 53 different Wikipedians looked at it, and only you made a comment. Being the subject of the BLP, I commented after yours. Peace DoDaCanaDa (talk) 02:38, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

  • Naturally having an interest in how the discussion goes, I´m not sure I know how to interpret the modification of your initial comment? Peace DoDaCanaDa (talk) 06:01, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
  • Now I See! I am assuming you are asking others to read the talk page concerning the BLP before coming to a hasty opinion. Thank you. Peace DoDaCanaDa (talk) 06:05, 30 October 2009 (UTC)


Yes, I realise that there may be (at some point) an article to be written here. But at the moment, this blatantly fails WP:NOT and my close was attempting to minimise drama on the issue. Black Kite 21:32, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

I've commented as well, and at ANI. DGG ( talk ) 22:33, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Reading Enterprise Hub[edit]

I've changed Reading Enterprise Hub into a redirect. The content originally from the merged page is now in the University of Reading article, so the page history is needed; this makes it ineligible for deletion. snigbrook (talk) 18:22, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

That's great, thanks. Merge/redirect was what I was after -- perhaps prod was the wrong way to get there. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 18:24, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

WP:Articles for deletion/Yaakov Teitel[edit]

Right you are. -DePiep (talk) 23:49, 12 November 2009 (UTC) (here)

Could you restart the keep,e.g by WP:VFD (dunnno how now, must say)? -DePiep (talk) 00:34, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
I have opened a deletion review for this - Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2009_November_13. Kevin (talk) 00:58, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
I'd say: your arguments and mine are OK. still. -DePiep (talk) 01:21, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

Thanks Kevin. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 08:18, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

Owen Williams (Calligrapher)[edit]

Hello Nomoskedasticity,

Thank you for your message on my user page. I am regular user of wikipedia, and a very occasional contributor - usually an editor of minor points of language which I feel offer a biased perspective. I can offer more references for the article you have suggested for deletion.

I do find discussion around this issue interesting. Within a western cultural context Calligraphy is often considered an obscure cultural practice. It lacks the status the discipline has in East Asian or Near Eastern traditions. I can understand the suggestion that a calligrapher from northern Canada might be notable compounds the issue.

We are dealing with a practices and locations on a periphery.

I look forward to seeing how this issue is resolved and how the article is altered. I would also value more of your comments on the discussion page. Thank you for your interest in this article.


Bembo Bold

Francis A. Beer[edit]

1. Thanks for your comments. I had inserted references in the Personal History section from two early books of mine that referred to the facts that I have received Fulbright Awards to France and the Netherlands and had been at the Mershon Center at Ohio State University. These books were not self-published. One of them was from the Ohio State University Press and sponsored by the Mershon Center there. The other was published by A.W. Sijthoff in the Netherlands and sponsored by the John F. Kennedy Institute in Tilburg, Netherlands. The references provided external validation that was not elsewhere available.
2. The reference about the Articles was from the University of Colorado Political Science website.
3. In the War and Peace section, this is not original research. All of it refers to research previously published by established presses and journals.

--Prmwp (talk) 17:49, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

Self-published in Wikipedia terms means written by you; it doesn't mean that the books themselves were self-published. See WP:RS. I should add that I have limited interest in helping you edit that page, given that autobiographies are strongly discouraged here. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 18:18, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

good catch![edit]

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Great catch on Paula Dobriansky! That was an admirable piece of source verification. RayTalk 04:00, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

Alison Rosen (Journalist, TV Celebrity)[edit]

Hello Nomoskedasticity,

I was surprised at the speedy deletion of the complete rewrite I did of the Alison Rosen wikipedia page (note, I did not write the original, though I made some late edits to start cleaning it up when it was first nominated for deletion). The original page was more of a "fan page" that was not neutral, had no real references (only referred to blogs/you tube) and had no cross references. After doing hours of research on Ms Rosen, I determined the entire time line of her career, found her most notable journalism works, found numerous awards she has received, and gave references to support every statement - including links to articles that she wrote and, more importantly, links to articles that referred to her as editor, journalist, award winner, etc.

Please reconsider this article for "un-deletion". I read Wikipedia daily and have found far less accomplished people with their own pages. While that, in and of itself, is not a reason to keep a page, I think Ms Rosen's accomplishments (she appears regularly on Fox News in addition to her journalism efforts) do merit a page.

Thanks, Scott (KarpayDM)

The problem is that the vast majority of references were to her own writings WP:SELFPUB. This does not show notabity per WP:N -- references need to be independent, other people writing about her. There was precious little of that. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 12:15, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
By the way, I didn't delete it -- I merely nominated it, and the deleting admin was Jayjg. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 12:23, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
  • I think it is so incredibly convenient how you managed to delete this page without ONE PERSON responding to my rebuttals and article improvements during the review process. I know that the original deletion proposer would NEVER dream of changing his mind so it was a lost cause from the beginning, right? Someone please explain why the fact that you 10 people don't know Alison Rosen is enough to delete an article. A free an open encyclopedia should allow a well-intentioned and unbiased page for a celebrity (not one person can deny she is a celebrity). You guys embarrass yourself with either your lack of knowledge, your lack of ability to accept that things you don't know of can still be important, or, worse, your power trips and inability to hold true to the original tenets of the Wikipedia project. You should be ashamed of yourselves. KarpayDM —Preceding unsigned comment added by Karpaydm (talkcontribs) 04:14, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

Tahir Abbas BLP[edit]

FYI - I have temporarily removed the information in question and have posted a new case to the Biographies of Living Persons Noticeboard here. -- Tom N (tcncv) talk/contrib 01:37, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

Just a quick note to say thanks for your welcome message on my talk page. Keen to contribute where I can, though time always a factor. Bikerprof (talk) 19:41, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

ok,i will do[edit]

all here find it is not fun anymore for scientists and teachers to work with wikipedia, uwe put his whole dissertation and 5 lecture books free on wikibooks, some stupid noname admins moved all so nobody can find them. have a nice day Oceanographer (talk) 09:33, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

School of Health & Rehabilitation (Keele University)[edit]

Hello Nomoskedasticity

I have undone your edit to the above article. Your rationale for merging this article with Keele University was that this School was "not notable by itself and does not warrant a separate article". This is merely an opinion.

Within the field of Health, Rehabilitation and Physiotherapy, this School is noted and highly respected. It is a regional hub of the National Physiotherapy Research network and has also been responsible for developing a framework for national Physiotherapy education, aligned with the NHS modernisation agenda. This is particularly noteworthy in the post-Darzi healthcare environment.

This article may not be of interest to individuals from outside of the rehabilitation field, but may be of significant interest to those involved within the Allied Health Professions. This School is as notable as any other within the University for constructive contributions (in terms of teaching and research) within its specific field. Other Schools (e.g. Medicine) within the University appear to warrant a separate article and as such this School should not be treated any differently.

Happy to discuss but the rationale for merging this article would need further evidencing/justification.

Thanks (Bluelegend (talk) 22:45, 15 December 2009 (UTC))


Yes I know that, as I said imo the guy is actually not very notable, I had a good look for similar content and found only mirror sites and blogs, the content is actually quite controversial actually in the way that it associated him with people living and organizations that may be affected negatively by association, it still does imo requires citations in the near future or removal for these reasons. Off2riorob (talk) 17:07, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

I don't see that all the content in the section is supported by that one citation? I am searching the citation for names in the article and they are not there? Off2riorob (talk) 17:26, 25 December 2009 (UTC)


I see your adding some content to the roper article that is great, can you tell me where this has come from and if any content will be added from there... John Carvel, "Unattractive Contracts", The Guardian, 2 February 1999, thanks. Off2riorob (talk) 11:09, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

I don't understand -- the source is what the citation says it is. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 11:10, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
Where did you find it, and what content is to be added from the source? Off2riorob (talk) 11:12, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
I'm afraid I don't understand the point of these questions. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 11:15, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
My question is very clear, if you don't want to answer that is up to you, but either way, the citation you have added needs to be there to support some content, or be removed, if you are evasive for whatever reason it will seem strange on your part. Off2riorob (talk) 11:18, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
  • Have you read this article? "Unattractive Contracts", The Guardian, 2 February 1999, do you have an online link to where you read it? Off2riorob (talk) 11:22, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

Here is what you seem to have have added a citation from where you got it you will not say, and you have supported this text with it...

Prior to his London Met position, Roper had been vice-chancellor at University of North London (which was later combined with London Guildhall University to create London Met).John Carvel, "Unattractive Contracts", The Guardian, 2 February 1999

Only the article that you seem not to want to tell me from where you have read it was written in 1999 and the merger and the creation of the london met was not or does not appear to have happened until 2002. Please correct me if I am mistaken, feel free to delete this discussion from here and I will move the discussion to the article talkpage. Off2riorob (talk) 11:34, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

Of course I've read it -- what a ridiculous question. It is reprinted here: [10]. What annoys me about this is that you would have been perfectly capable of finding this article yourself; on top of that there is no requirement that sources be available on line or for free. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 12:45, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

Thank you, I did have a fair look for it and was unable to find it thats all, the citation is not actually worth the content it is supporting but that is another issue. Listen, it is fine to disagree, it is not a battle, I think the biography is of little or no value and you think it is valuable, you thought that the details of the accusations on the orthadox jewish person were valuable and I don't...that is how the wikipedia works, in fact it is through the differing opinions of editors that a strong balanced wikipedia is created. Off2riorob (talk) 16:25, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

No, not Christ - just an admin...[edit]

Following comments made at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Uncivil comments and edit summary I would ask you to please conduct yourself both to the spirit and letter of WP:CIVIL in your interactions and composing of edit summaries. Since you have read the other parties request (by acknowledging through deleting it) I should be grateful if you would abide by it. Thanks, LessHeard vanU (talk) 20:16, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

Perhaps you could help me with something. I'm well aware of CIVIL and I made sure that my comments were very much about the content (though I grant the edit summary was not as careful). What I'm wondering is whether there is some editors' behavioral guideline that advises or requires competence. The editor in question has made such a hash of things lately that I'm tempted to describe his/her contributions as disruptive. Are you aware of anything that would support such a description along these lines? I'm thinking in part of a completely pointless AfD of Brian Roper (academic), an obvious product of failure to comply with WP:BEFORE -- when someone fails to abide by a policy like this, is there some sort of recourse? thanks, Nomoskedasticity (talk) 20:23, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
There is no real requirement for competence (for which I am assuredly grateful) in editing Wikipedia - good faith is the only acceptance criteria. If another editors actions appear misinformed or disruptive (but otherwise good faith) there is the Wikipedia:Requests for comment#Request comment on users option. You will need find another party who has experienced similar problems with the editor concerned. I would also comment that "competence", especially when it comes to evaluating sources, is often a question of subjectivety, and it is possible that opening a dispute regarding interpretations of sources to other opinions will result in an understanding better than opening a process... no matter how informal. The best option is generally to keep talking until agreement is reached, even if it is that there is an agreement to differ. LessHeard vanU (talk) 20:52, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

Game Show Congress DRV[edit]

You might want to check the sources that I dug up in the DRV, as well as this. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Many ottersOne batOne hammer) 19:44, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

  • Oh yes, and this draft I'm working on, now with sources! Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Many ottersOne batOne hammer) 20:32, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

University of Reading[edit]

I am unsure as to your motivations for insisting upon the posting of information about the University of Reading that I have suggested is factually incorrect. You seem very determined to keep it in even though it may have very negative effects. Your page says that you, yourself, are an academic... Could you explain? Pjwe111 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pjwe111 (talkcontribs) 23:16, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia works with sources, not claims of editors. If it were otherwise, what would stop me from claiming that I also work at Reading and know of a secret plan to shut the whole department down? There's no substitute for becoming familiar with the various policies and guidelines for editing: WP:V, WP:RS, WP:OR, etc. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 14:41, 21 January 2010 (UTC) There is also no substitue for accepting that someone has pointed out that the information you are citing is wrong, and that there should be a discussion about it. You're aggressive attitude suggests that there are ulterior motives to your desire to post inaccurate information about UoR. You started the edit war! PhD in Sociology, huh? There USED to be Sociology at Reading, but not any more... Could there be a connection...???!!!
As it happens, discussion is exactly what ought to be happening, in lieu of deleting sourced information -- please feel free to contribute to the discussion page at that article. Now, if you're really interested in getting blocked, WP:OUTING is a good way to go. Not that there's anything to worry about: yes, as a sociologist, I'm in a good position to know about what happened at Reading. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 17:27, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Blackpool University[edit]

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Re: WP:Burden[edit]

Hi. I've answered your question on my own talk page. -- chris_j_wood (talk) 10:31, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

P.E.O. Sisterhood[edit]

But I'm too lazy too... Spitfire19 (Talk) 18:14, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

Please discuss[edit]

Please move to the talkpage. Thanks Off2riorob (talk) 19:12, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

I think I'm ahead of you there, champ. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 19:13, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

Please see my response. Off2riorob (talk) 19:16, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

Well I do not see that the times say that he said he got the guy at that place, he just says he hired him as a personal assistant, it is not a quote is it? please consider living people. Off2riorob (talk) 19:50, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

3RR note[edit]

Nuvola apps important.svg You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on George Alan Rekers. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24-hour period. Additionally, users who perform several reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. When in dispute with another editor you should first try to discuss controversial changes to work towards wording and content that gains a consensus among editors. Should that prove unsuccessful, you are encouraged to seek dispute resolution, and in some cases it may be appropriate to request page protection. If the edit warring continues, you may be blocked from editing without further notice.

Thanks for the comment on my talk page. I just requested a full-protect to let things settle down. I really don't mind (well, I don't like it, but that's MY problem) when the facts are against my side, as long as the facts are in the article. It just doesn't make sense to me for one side (mine) to be sitting there on the discussion page begging and pleading for people to leave off until the dust settles and then for others to be throwing in their own versions of reality and ignoring us or, worse, doing the whole "biting the newbies" passive-aggressive thing-y.

I am sorry you got dragged into this. This is so not the first article I wanted to work on when I finally have the time (of which I have next to none). Panthera germanicus (talk) 13:27, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

civility note[edit]

Wikipedia is about discussion, do not claim I am being disruptive again with making your report, It is quite normal to discuss. Your comment.. " the same individual who is being disruptive" ... if you don't like it make a report or keep it to yourself, better if you strike it, but its up to you, continue with your accusations and I will report you. Off2riorob (talk) 15:58, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

How about if you just get off my talk page. Your posts again show difficulties with reading comprehension. Though I agree with the notion that you are being disruptive, if you make a great effort you will discover that the person to whom you should have written today about this issue is not me. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 16:00, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
Thank you for notifying me of your filing official charges. I most certainly not the only person making long comments on the page, nor am I the only person discussing contentious matters. I am not currently editing because I feel that when a matter is changing this rapidly, it is better to wait. I do feel, however, you are singling me out. Other editors are discussing matters equally contentious and, arguably, only tangentially related to the article. We shall see what the administrators have to say on the matter, I am sorry you feel I am being disruptive.Panthera germanicus (talk) 13:49, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

About collocating vs. co-locating...[edit]

...and this edit of yours. Well, I honestly didn't know, I stand corrected. And thanks for recognizing I was in good faith :-). --positron (talk) 20:03, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

Richard Goldstone[edit]

FYI: User:ChrisO/Goldstone. It's a work in progress - any feedback would be most welcome. -- ChrisO (talk) 11:43, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

FYI, your comment about Dersh is in violation of BLP and I suggest you delete it immediately. Breein1007 (talk) 16:55, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

Richard Goldstone - new version[edit]

You commented recently on some BLP issues concerning Richard Goldstone. I've written a considerably expanded and improved version of the article in my userspace at User:ChrisO/Goldstone. If you have any comments about this new version before it gets transferred into article space, please feel free to comment at Talk:Richard Goldstone#New version. -- ChrisO (talk) 23:22, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

6 UBF - NAE membership[edit]

UBF is most certainly a member of the National Association of Evangelicals. The NAE page was modified by them to only show a dozen or so main "denomination" members. UBF is not a denomination, so it's not listed, along with thousands of other organizations that are also no longer listed. I am reverting your edit. UBF's membership is easily verifiable. ( "The NAE is a body of believers made up of over 40 denominations and thousands of individual churches, organizations, universities and individuals who understand that together we can do more." ( Bkarcher (talk) 19:45, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Also, there is a third party reference to UBF's membership and NAE here: Bkarcher (talk) 19:54, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

That link to a powerpoint presentation doesn't say anything at all about NAE and UBF membership. Even if it did, it hardly counts as a WP:RS. As for your scan of the acceptance letter, that one shows that UBF was accepted to membership in May 2008, not current membership; I'll amend to reflect what is in the source. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 14:10, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
Ok, your edits are fine then; not much more I can add, given my COI Bkarcher (talk) 11:31, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

Richard Eastell[edit]

Just a courtesy note to let you know that we have received a submission from Prof. Eastell, which I've merged into the article. It appears to be neutral and acceptable, although I haven't carefully checked the cites. Stifle (talk) 13:29, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the message today regarding Eastell. I haven't encountered this kind of editing before and would be grateful for a bit of advice. Some of the material is unsourced; other portions are based on self-published sources; some of the added external links don't seem to meet WP:EL; etc. In short, I would like to edit. Can I assume that there's nothing special about the material you have added (at his request) that somehow places it off limits or privileged? I'd be surprised, but I'd like to make sure I'm not violating a guideline that I'm not aware of. thanks, Nomoskedasticity (talk) 15:48, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
Of course you're welcome to edit it. I couldn't stop you even if I wanted to. Stifle (talk) 13:48, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

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Tea Party Movement.[edit]

Did you read the study? I think perhaps not. If you read what the actual sources say it is clear that there is OR going on. I have commented on the talk page. Arzel (talk) 03:14, 27 May 2010 (UTC)


[11] Breein1007 (talk) 20:14, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

Nomo -

What you have been doing here meets the textbook definition of WP:HOUNDING - following someone's edit history around and making blanket changes like this is not ok, unless there's some sort of content policy violation you're fixing.

This is a content dispute, not a violation. That makes this a Wikihounding violation.

Please stop that editing immediately and discuss in good faith on ANI. Thank you. Georgewilliamherbert (talk) 21:01, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

Tea Party and the Parker study[edit]

On the chance that you're interested, there's a noticeboard thread on how best to handle the Parker study. Wikipedia:Content_noticeboard#Tea_Party_movement. BigK HeX (talk) 21:34, 12 June 2010 (UTC)


You appear to be in violation of WP:STALKING and have followed me after a dispute in one issue to other articles I have edited and opposed my position there, I will not hesitate to report you for such violations. Please take this as a warning. Off2riorob (talk) 20:11, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

Warn all you like, bub -- you've followed me to Rekers and Rubashkin, so a complaint along those lines is very likely to go nowhere or to boomerang. Anyway, Haywood is under discussion at BLP/N; the only path to an article via your contribs was Yvette Cooper. Hardly a strong case you've got there, now, is it? ttfn, Nomoskedasticity (talk) 20:13, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

Judge Reade[edit]

Hey, it's not about Reade, but it fits in "Rubashkin Trial" to provide some background info —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 18:43, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

So it can go in an article about "Rubashkin Trial" -- but it isn't relevant enough for the article on Reade. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 18:47, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

That was me. I was not signed in. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lower458 (talkcontribs) 18:46, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

I see. thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lower458 (talkcontribs) 18:48, 27 June 2010 (UTC)


There was money, but the cops say "Passports and cash!!!" while Rubashkin says that he kept his passports in his bedroom, as well as money, underwear, etc. You know? This was never verified. Prosecution never proved that they were together or in the same suitcase. Understand? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lower458 (talkcontribs) 21:06, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

The main thing here is WP:V -- following what the sources say. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 21:17, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

WSJ is a source alright. They dont mention the money thing at all since the prosecutes didnt push that in court. It was something they just said in a press conference. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lower458 (talkcontribs) 21:19, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

BTW, do you have to use sources ALWAYS even when nobody is going to deny that? For example that a judge was nominated by president Reagan? In our case, the Jewish community was very nervous about the bail issue, although I cant find a good source. Only local Jewish papers perhaps. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lower458 (talkcontribs) 21:24, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

If someone insists on a source, then there has to be a source -- or the text in question can be deleted. If you want to insist on a source, you can ask for it on the article talk page or add {{cn}} to the text in question. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 21:31, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Thanks you Lower458 (talk) 21:38, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

I now see that Wsj DOES quote the money issue. My bad Lower458 (talk) 21:45, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

My friend, constructive, I think. If you look objectively, the issue WAS about his "dual citizenship", not the cash or the passports. Everybody has cash and passports. The issue around Judge Reade's decision was re the dual citizenship - according to the sources. You don't have to defend her if the sources don't, and the sources are there for people to click for more info. I think my writing is pretty sourced and objective, unless you want to nitpick.... Lower458 (talk) 13:24, 29 June 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lower458 (talkcontribs)


Do you want to make your report the primary one, or go with mine? --Andrensath (talk | contribs) 08:57, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

Yours reaches back a bit further -- go with yours, but make sure to add the last revert. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 08:58, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

The chameleon editor[edit]

He's back to making disruptive edits at the Stephen Ambrose article and talk pages. I've posted an AN/I in case you're interested.[12] Eurytemora (talk) 01:10, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

Your repeated references to me as pal and bud and suchlike[edit]

I am not your pal or your bud or your anything at all, thankyou. Please refrain from your personal terms of endearment. I have asked you this before and only recently, please stop your personal name calling. Off2riorob (talk) 22:14, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
And here I thought you might be leaving me an acknowledgement of your mistake -- silly me... Nomoskedasticity (talk) 05:42, 30 June 2010 (UTC)


Please look at the many links at the bottom of my page for references.

to wit...

External links

  * Gary Lee Nelson's home page
  * CDs available from CDeMusic
  * Nelson featured at Subtle Technologies Festival, Toronto
  * Nelson at ArchivMusic
  * Featured composer at the 5th annual Florida Electroacoustic Music Festival
  * Society of Composers Internation University of Akron, 2001
  * Ohio Arts Council grant
  * Boston Museum of Science commission
  * Nelson interview on NPR's Pulse of the Planet
  * First prize in music, Contours of the Mind, Australia
  * "Further Adventures of the Sonomorphs" published paper

and in particular the following

  1. (cur | prev) 20:36, 30 July 2010 VernoWhitney (talk | contribs) (6,333 bytes) (OTRS permission verified - removing copyvio blanking; removing speedy delete tag - professor is a credible claim of importance) (undo) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Garyleenelson (talk • contribs)

professor is a credible claim of importance!!!

Gary Lee Nelson Oberlin College USA

PS. Give my regards to Sir Peter —Preceding unsigned comment added by Garyleenelson (talkcontribs) 22:26, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

Please see WP:RS for guidance on sources. Even better, have a look at WP:COI. I've never been burdened with the acquaintance of Sir Peter, but if I meet him I'll be sure to convey the felicitations. Please convey mine to Howard. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 08:27, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

Thank you[edit]

Thank you very much, Nomoskedasticity, for your comment at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Daryl Wine Bar and Restaurant. I worked quite hard to make sure that the article had information from multiple different WP:RS secondary-sourced references. Cheers, -- Cirt (talk) 16:57, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

No problem. I'm just puzzled, trying to work out what the Scientology angle is, heh. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 16:59, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
It's here. The Kenneth Dickson Scientology angle was this. --JN466 21:41, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

RTLamp attack on Wiki admins[edit]

The bigger problem is his constant WP:Soapboxing on Atzmon's antisemitism and history of personal attacks against those (especially me) who don't kow tow to his attacks on Atzmon and instead try to follow wikipolicies. I don't want to get in middle of the WP:ANI, but please notice this new rant on his Userpage which includes But if you want to find out about Gilad Atzmon's long and well-documented association with the Holocaust denial movement, well, give up on Wikipedia and try REALITY for a change, because it's going to be wikilawyered away here. In short, a victory for antisemitism and its administrative enablers. Under WP:ARBPIA this can be brought to Arbitration Enforcement and probably would result in a short block anyway. I don't know if it's appropriate to add to your ANI. CarolMooreDC (talk) 21:45, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

Well, now USer:RTLamp says he's leaving wikipedia, but who knows. CarolMooreDC (talk) 23:25, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

Vandalism ; )[edit]

Don't know if you saw this ...[13] you were cleared of any vandalism of course!!!TeapotgeorgeTalk 12:14, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

Thanks -- hadn't seen that. Hard to believe the suggestion was actually taken seriously...! Nomoskedasticity (talk) 03:14, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

Mrs. Lily Safra[edit]

I have noticed that over the past 6 months you have made numerous changes to Mrs. Safra's wikipedia page, recently you have taken down the section regarding her philanthropic activities. According to you, this is not properly sourced, but we do source it from various independent organisations that she chairs, therefore I don't see why you keep removing this important aspect of her life? —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 14:42, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

Your Revert Eastern Mediterranean University[edit]


I see you reverted my edit on Eastern Mediterranean University. I did this in response to a cold merge tag, adding data from the related article, Academic Programs of EMU. There is a deletion discussion on that article currently - please comment (Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Academic Programs of EMU) Dondegroovily (talk) 05:11, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

Please do not do reverts without any reason[edit]

Please explain why I didn't "convince" you before doing reverts.--KerAvelt (talk) 17:59, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

I have explained, my dear -- you simply don't like the explanations. Anyway, I wonder if you have paid attention to details here and actually intend this message for me. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 18:14, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Did you know?[edit]

You and I are the same person! Well, thought you should be aware you were being investigated. Mosmof (talk) 04:09, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. Who knew? Well, I see that one going nowhere. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 05:55, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Welsh Family[edit]

Hello, I declined your edit warring report against Welsh Family (talk · contribs) but please note my communication to the user here. I figure they are prevented from editing anyway since the page is locked, but maybe we can encourage some discourse in the mean time. --Spike Wilbury (talk) 23:00, 30 September 2010 (UTC)


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Ed is not English at all and as the Jewish cat is not defined ( he is only ethnic jew) that also is not correct, thanks, perhaps you want to create British subject that has Jewish ethnicity politician Off2riorob (talk) 20:27, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

your allegation of me being an anti Semite[edit]

I have struck it, if you replace it I will report you for a personal attack. Off2riorob (talk) 17:49, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

FYI ANI[edit]

here , thanks. Off2riorob (talk) 18:01, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

Your refusal to remove your accusation is in bad faith , please do not repeat such claims ever. Off2riorob (talk) 07:57, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

I will call it as I see it, and I'll leave you to draw your own conclusions concerning how the AN/I discussion went. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 07:59, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

There were clear requests for you to remove your comment and that yor comment was wrong, which it is. Your personal attack is nothing more than that, I spit on your insult. Off2riorob (talk) 08:09, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

Now now -- we wouldn't want to be uncivil, would we? tsk, Nomoskedasticity (talk) 08:09, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

Yes, I spit on your bigoted worthless insult. Off2riorob (talk) 08:11, 20 October 2010 (UTC) Off2riorob (talk) 08:11, 20 October 2010 (UTC)


Hello, I'd like to request that you have a look at this. thank you, Nomoskedasticity (talk) 19:04, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

Sorry about that, I've struck out the relevant section and offered clarification Nil Einne (talk) 00:17, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

templates and suchlike[edit]

Why do you do things to people that you don't want doing to yourself such as this diff yes you know you made three reverts, but you add template warnings to me in the same situation. Also in this diff you complain that someone templated you and you are a regular and yet you template regulars? Off2riorob (talk) 21:47, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

If you're not going to take notice of my recent methods of letting you know when you are going astray, then I'll not bother continuing the effort, I'll go back to templating you. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 07:36, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

Repeating suggestion regarding editing on Jewish topics[edit]

I am going to repeat the suggestion that I made on the Geim talk page: I think it would be best if you stopped editing on Jewish topics. You clearly know very little (evident also in your question to JoshuaZ), and for some reason you are allowing your personal opinions to override proper editing practices (mainly, being guided by what is verified by reliable sources). Given your usual approach to BLPs, this is strange -- you don't normally approach BLPs this way. The fact that you are doing this on BLPs in relation to Jewish issues suggests to me that you and the encyclopedia would be better off if you avoided them. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 8:36 pm, Today (UTC+1)

People with one Jewish grandparent are not John who is Jewish by any stretch of NPOV consideration. Off2riorob (talk) 19:40, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

Since I posted this issue on your own talk page, I will only continue the discussion of it if you put it back on your talk page -- I see no reason for it to be moved here (unless, perhaps, you think it might be something you don't want others to see on your page). Nomoskedasticity (talk) 19:48, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
I am quite amazed that you use say something like "I think it would be best if you stopped editing on Jewish topics. You clearly know very little (evident also in your question to JoshuaZ), and for some reason you are allowing your personal opinions to override proper editing practices." I am not defending Off2riorob, but you seem to be doing the same things that you accuse him/her of. Generally, to be regarded as Jewish by Orthodox Judaism or in the State of Israel, the mother has to be Jewish. However, other denominations of Judaism differ in their opinion.
Specifically, I want to refer to a section you placed on the Haredi page on the alleged "process of reconciliation" between Haredim and Secular Israelis. This section clearly reflects your own personal opinion and does not cite any sources to back up the analysis. Some would argue, that trends in the last few years indicate a rise in tension and anything but a process of reconciliation.--Halma10 (talk) 01:58, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
If you can point me to the edit in question (e.g. a date, or a "diff") I'll be happy to provide a proper response. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 08:35, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

my wiki blp[edit]

Dear Nomoskedasticity can we have a private email discussion about my Wiki BLP - would you be kind enough to email so that I can explain to you directly the problems the Wiki page has caused me since it began to profile certain unfortunate issues. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 20:10, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

Any concerns of this sort are best raised at the talk page of the article in question. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 20:55, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

Your 3RR complaint[edit]

Hello Nomoskedasticity. Your argument at the BLPN thread seems convincing, but I wonder if you are willing to part with this single sentence: "From this point only a small further step is required to actively encourage and support the killing of non-Jews, as Ginzburg did in the case of Goldstein." This appears to be synthesis by Motti Inbari, and we are of course allowed to cite syntheses that are performed in the source works, if they seem useful, informative and not WP:UNDUE. If you would drop this sentence for now, subject to further discussion on Talk, this might allow admins to close the 3RR more easily.

The other improvement I noticed that may be possible is that you cite this to page 134 of Inbari's book but he himself has a footnote 12 which I could not see in Google Books. Possibly footnote 12 is an actual work of Ginsburgh. In the disputed areas, citing the man himself is the most persuasive. If you are willing to discuss this, let me know on my own talk page. I am not closing the 3RR for now; possibly someone else may do it in the mean time. Thank you, EdJohnston (talk) 17:23, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

Thank you very much[edit]

Thank you, for your positive comments about my work, in the deletion discussion for the article Werner Erhard vs. Columbia Broadcasting System at the AFD page Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Werner Erhard vs. Columbia Broadcasting System. Your comments are most appreciated. Thanks again, -- Cirt (talk) 21:59, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Notice - COI discussion[edit]

Please see Wikipedia:Conflict_of_interest/Noticeboard#User_THF_and_subject_Arthur_Alan_Wolk. Thank you for your time, -- Cirt (talk) 14:35, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Now also at WP:ANI due to issues involving No Legal Threats. -- Cirt (talk) 15:11, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Nomo, this arose because you made a false accusation that I violated WP:COI. As WP:COIN states, Please note that the conflict of interest guidelines do not require editors with conflicts of interest to avoid editing altogether. An editor who has disclosed a conflict is complying with the guideline when they discuss proposed changes on a talk page. Since I did not edit mainspace and since I disclosed my conflict of interest, I did not violate WP:COI. Cirt has made false allegations about me to three message boards in retaliation for an editing dispute at Talk:Werner_Erhard_vs._Columbia_Broadcasting_System#WP:COATRACK. Can you stop his harassment, please? I also need oversight, because his false accusation could result in another meritless lawsuit against me (this very real concern of mine is what Cirt is caling a "legal threat"). THF (talk) 15:24, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

THF continues to make veiled legal threats across multiple pages. The WP:COIN report I filed only makes reference to on-Wikipedia postings, by user THF himself. -- Cirt (talk) 15:26, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

November 2010[edit]

Welcome to Wikipedia, and thank you for your contributions. One of the core policies of Wikipedia is that articles should always be written from a neutral point of view. A contribution you made to UK Border Agency appears to carry a non-neutral point of view, and your edit may have been changed or reverted to correct the problem. Please remember to observe this important core policy. Thank you. ninety:one (reply on my talk) 23:30, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

It looks like this was a rather silly case of DTTR, but your edit was clearly non-NPOV, and used a non-reliable source at that (an opinion column from the Guardian of all places does not belong in a section like that). ninety:one (reply on my talk) 23:34, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
Yes, a rather silly case of DTTR. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 07:44, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
To be honest, I hardly expected a relatively-experience rollbacker to make an edit like that. ninety:one (reply on my talk) 13:29, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
As soon as I have the time to find a non-op-ed source for it, I'll be back to re-add it. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 13:33, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Cedric Miller[edit]

(inappropriate template removed by the editor who placed it)

Hi - apologies for templating the regulars, it's a built-in feature of the Twinkle software. I saw the above article, and given that the subject is essentially non-notable and the page basically consisted of negative (though sourced) information about him, I have to consider it a page created primarily to disparage its subject. I'm sorry if that wasn't your intent, but that's how the page looked to me. Please don't take offence personally. Robofish (talk) 21:19, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
In that case you ought to strike the parts that do not apply -- such as the notion that I have made statements attacking people/groups of people. If you don't want to cause offense, then fix the parts that both cause offense and are untrue. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 21:24, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
Well -- that was resolved quickly (with thanks to HJ Mitchell). Nomoskedasticity (talk) 21:27, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
You're right, I've removed the template. In any case, an admin has decided it doesn't qualify as an attack page, so never mind. I still have serious doubts about the article's appropriateness, however, so I am thinking of taking it to AFD instead. Robofish (talk) 21:29, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
I have done so, and your comments are welcome at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cedric Miller. Robofish (talk) 21:59, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

Adnan Oktar[edit]

Who said my post was rejected? It was discussed by three editors who offered changes which were combined in the text. It was not rejected at the time I posted. It is now being questioned and there is a new proposal on talk page - please participate in the discussion. I invite you to participate in discussing the new proposed version currently being discussed. --Geoffry Thomas (talk) 12:45, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

The clue is in your edit summary: "rv" -- and in the fact that the previous edit had reverted yours. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 12:51, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
You should read the talk page first. Three editors reviewed a text and made a combined document. No more comments were made for 24 hours, so it was posted. Two editors who had not participated in the discussion reverted the text - including yourself. There was a request for people to discuss the changes on the talk page before reverting, including a request on your talk page. Hopefully, orderly changes will take place from now on. --Geoffry Thomas (talk) 14:05, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

Blocked for edit-warring on Arbcomm candidacy??[edit]

Okay, I gather there are people who watch my talk-page, and I'd like to pose a question in an inconspicuous place (I'd really like to avoid roiling the waters further): has it ever happened previously that someone has been blocked for edit-warring on their own Arbcomm candidacy page? I figure this has to be a first -- but then again this place can get pretty crazy, so who knows. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 21:09, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Request for mediation of Ed Miliband[edit]

A request for formal mediation of the dispute relating to Ed Miliband was recently filed. As an editor concerned in this dispute, you are invited to participate in the mediation. The process of mediation is entirely voluntary and focuses exclusively on the content issues over which there is disagreement. Please review the request page and the guide to mediation requests and then indicate in the "party agreement" section whether you would agree to participate. Discussion relating to the mediation request welcome at the case talk page.

Thank you, AGK 11:56, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

Improvement discarded on Kaushik?[edit]

Hello. I have reviewed the WP.RS guidelines and am unclear on what the issue is for which you have marked the Avinash Kaushik article for multiples issues. All new links added were directly to valid non self published sources. Details in the book section was added to highlight the books are not self published. Additional context in the External Links section was to share more on notability with magazine articles, references, thought leadership videos with university. Being new to wikipedia it would be great to have your specific guidance to improve the article. Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Simontu16 (talkcontribs) 15:53, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

Self-published in this context does not refer to how books can be published by the author not by a regular publisher. What it means here is that the reference is to something published by the subject of this biography. WP:RS explains this, and it also explain what types of sources are required to support claims made here; just because you can find a web link for something doesn't mean it meets the standard required here. Again, discussion about the article itself should take place on the article talk page. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 19:55, 25 November 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for the clarification and patience with a new wikipedia contributor. You had requested citations and the ten additional citations provided, where you had requested them or asked for clarification, and none were to the subject of the biography. They were directly to sources that show participation claimed in the bio. This was per WP:RS. Additional context was provided regarding notability in the main bio as well as in the External Links (magazine bios / articles, thought leadership articles and videos published by the prestigious Wharton School of Business). Hence I am confused about your summary rejection of citations, new content and notability context and not just parts you consider self referencing links from this version [[14]]. Could you please be more specific which of the three parts you are concerned about? I would be sincerely appreciative of your help. I'll be happy to address concerns behind your summary rejection. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Simontu16 (talkcontribs) 01:32, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
This is self-published. So is this. This is from youtube, which does not meet WP:RS. Beyond that -- again, not just any old web link is going to meet WP:RS -- what is needed is scholarly works, or at least good newspaper reports. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 18:20, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
Nomoskedasticity your guidance is much appreciated. I'll be removing the self-published sources per your advice and changing the article to only point to other sources. Could I engage you in two quick thoughts? Would you consider, under Self-Published Sources online and paper of WP:RS to apply in this case as Kaushik is clearly a well established expert and (per your note above) 10/90 was a rule first published on his blog? Secondly, you had requested citation for external speaking engagement, you point to youtube above. Does an video of the actual talk not serve as a citation (proof, I assume that is what you wanted to see when you wanted a citation)? In both cases use youtube video was published by the official channel of the conference where Kaushik spoke (for which you requested a citation). Please consider preceding two points as my humble attempt to understand you objections better. Regardless I will take your advice into account and make changes per your guidance. Thank you again for your patience and help. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Simontu16 (talkcontribs) 06:25, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
No, again, I'm afraid youtubes are not considered acceptable sources. As for the rest -- I need to reiterate that discussions of a specific article need to take place on the talk page of that article, not on my user-talk page -- so please go to Talk:Avinash Kaushik. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 12:08, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
Understood re youtube videos. I had made multiple updates to the article per your guidance (no self reference links, no youtube links, and links only to external valued sources). Could you please review and if it meets your approval please remove the multiple issues notice? If not could you share further guidance? One last time I want to thank you again for your patience and guidance. This has been a bit painful but I have learned a lot and the article is better due to your objections. Thank you very much. Best wishes.
I've removed the self-pub part. I'm still not convinced of notability, and what would help is additional citations to better sources. Has he been profiled somewhere, e.g. in a regular newspaper? Look, I know it's hard getting started here. There is certainly a need for more editors, and I want to encourage you to learn more and contribute. But there is indeed a lot to learn. Unfortunately I can't promise that this particular article is going to survive -- but perhaps you'll want to work on others as well. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 21:47, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
I appreciate the encouragement Nomoskedasticity. Thank you. Per your request here are links to articles in newspapers and magazines (from around the world): The Globe And Mail, The Montreal Gazette, Interactiva (3rd cover story), Financial Post, AdvertisingAge, Twinkle magazine, Netherlands, El Pais, Spain, Computer World, Inc. Magazine. Kaushik has been quoted as an expert, author and a industry thought leader. If it is of value here are a couple of non-newspaper (non-magazine) but authoritative Internet design & marketing sources: Applied Arts, MediaPost, Destination CRM. Do these profiles and articles help address your concerns regarding notability? From your deep experience would you have guidance of how I can include above information in the wikipedia profile to ensure it is of value? Thank you again for all your help! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Simontu16 (talkcontribs) 18:35, 30 November 2010 (UTC)


You have been blocked from editing for a period of 24 hours for For this attempt to beat the long-deceased horse into a pulp.. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make useful contributions. If you would like to be unblocked, you may appeal this block by adding the text {{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}} below this notice, but you should read the guide to appealing blocks first. Rd232 talk 20:58, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

You're blocking me on the basis of an essay?? I really fail to see the disruption involved in my restoring the thread title to the one I opened the discussion with -- if anything it was a misrepresentation of me for some other editor to distort it by adding that word. I'm happy to promise not to do it again, but I'd like some review of the notion that I was disruptive here -- it's not as if I tried to re-open the discussion. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 21:02, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

Well a reviewing admin is free to disagree, but you twice unarchived the thread and then after the last archiving removed the word "allegedly" from the header, despite there having been a fairly clear consensus that your complaint had no merit. Looks disruptive to me. Rd232 talk 21:27, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
It is untrue that I unarchived it twice -- I did it once, after it was archived by a non-admin who has a pretty poor history with me. Nothing was going to follow from my restoring the thread title to the one I opened the discussion with -- it was only an attempt to avoid being misrepresented (insofar as people assume that the thread title was created by the person who started the thread). Nomoskedasticity (talk) 21:32, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
OK, unarchived just once, sorry. But "avoid being misrepresented" looks a feeble excuse. No manner of negative aspersion can come from anyone thinking you wrote the version with "allegedly". Rd232 talk 21:44, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
Perhaps, but I still fail to see why it is inappropriate for me to restore the title to the one I started with. I did not try to re-open the discussion at that point, and I merely thought it was rude for someone else to have changed the title. Blocking me for removing a word from a thread title seems pretty excessive (though again I'll be more careful in the future if people really object to this). Nomoskedasticity (talk) 21:47, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
I get the sense that the block might have had roots in the misconception that I had unarchived the thread twice (which I agree would have been disruptive even if I hadn't gone back to the thread title). Would you have blocked me for deleting that word if it had been clear to you that I had unarchived it only once? Nomoskedasticity (talk) 21:58, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
No, at the time of blocking I thought it was once, then I looked again. Anyway, I've unblocked now, because I'll accept that you weren't intending to be disruptive and didn't know that section headers belong to the community, so it is perfectly acceptable for headers to be improved. And in this particular situation your action was neither necessary nor helpful. And in general, we seek neutrality in section headers, not conclusions.Rd232 talk 23:01, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
How very odd. When you looked again, what did you see that led you to the misapprehension that I had unarchived it twice (not having seen it that way in the first instance)? As for consensus on the thread -- three different admins have now suggested to Scott-Mac that it would be better to avoid G10 in those situations. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 23:09, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
It was the four edits from 19:50 to 19:53: the first and third are yours, the first is unarchiving, the third lacks an edit summary, the fourth is off2riorob noting unarchiving. Let's not post-mortem the different aspects of the consensus (WP:NOTAVOTE). Rd232 talk 23:13, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
I hardly see why not. Look, I get it that some people are thoroughly fed up with this issue. Others agree that there is an ongoing problem. The fact that it is provoking anger among the former is a problem. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 23:18, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

And so much for the notion that there was a consensus against my perspective... Nomoskedasticity (talk) 17:41, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

? Rd232 talk 18:25, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
[15] Nomoskedasticity (talk) 21:43, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
I was only talking about the ANI thread, which is all that turning an allegation into a statement of fact in that archived ANI thread's header relates to. Rd232 talk 22:02, 29 November 2010 (UTC)


Hi. As you just participated in discussions on a closely related topic (also a current AfD re a Jewish list), which may raise some of the same issues, I'm simply mentioning that the following are currently ongoing: AfDs re lists of Jewish Nobel laureates, entertainers, inventors, actors, cartoonists, and heavy metal musicians. Best.--Epeefleche (talk) 09:03, 1 December 2010 (UTC)


sorry for the misunderstanding but i wasnt trying to break any rules. Hfran had asked for refs if I was including material, so I edited with refs and added the material again. You had asked for citations and said that some were not direct citations, so I added refs I could find where you had said no citations and edited it accordingly. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Paulbright8 (talkcontribs) 08:38, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

December 2010[edit]

There is no war. Any so-called "edit war" has been manufactured by a contributor Nomoskedasticity (talk) whose reversions violate Wiki policies for referencing controversial issues. Did anyone read my response on the appropriate discussion page before sending this "notice"? I note that the instigator of this non-existent war reverted the text three times or more but was careful not to violate the "24 hour rule" and then referred me to an ongoing discussion which did not exist save for his brief remarks which were used--apparently--as a ruse (along with reference to the "24 hour rule") to support his inappropriate edit and to cast me in a negative editorial light. Is Wiki going to deal with form or substance and meaning. (talk) 09:28, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

Re 3RR at 'Ed Miliband'[edit]

Thanks for the heads up, but if you check, I've only edited the category 'British Jews' twice. The third edit was the removal of the category 'British people of Polish descent' (on the basis that this wasn't notable either). I don't think that this would qualify as a 'revert' at all. AndyTheGrump (talk) 17:33, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

Deleting a category is not a revert? Hmm -- go ahead, take a chance... Nomoskedasticity (talk) 17:34, 7 December 2010 (UTC)


Hi, I appreciated your comments about removing stuff from my talkpage and am taking that on board moving forward. Recently I have supported a lot of your contributions, especially regarding BLP issues. I know we have fallen out but I have not a poor feeling towards you and your contributions lately and I would like to move forward with you under fresh energy. No hurry, no worry, regards. Off2riorob (talk) 01:29, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for leaving a gracious message. I am happy to think in terms of a fresh start. We're still likely to disagree at times. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 13:18, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
Great, disagreement with an willingness to find a compromise from a friendly position is a good thing. Thanks. Off2riorob (talk) 17:33, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

Image Editing.[edit]

Hello, I have been trying for so long to load an image from my laptop. please guide me.



Im a new user, Apologies if i conduct any mistake. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Electricfield (talkcontribs) 22:53, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

Editing Pictures[edit]

{{helpme}} Hello

i have trying to upload some university pictures from my laptop to the article on Girne American University, please can anyone guide me .

(Farhan Afzal 23:01, 16 December 2010 (UTC))

Go to this page, if you took the pictures yourself. /ƒETCHCOMMS/ 23:13, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

What if there are no published sources to cite other than the personality themselves?[edit]

Hi Nomoskedasticity

I tried to edit the profile to a previously accurate version and I see you have removed it for not citing references etc.

Please understand that such reliable published sources do not currently exist that I can cite (if they do in the future, I'll do my best to cite them). However I am representing Shaykh Muhammad moving forward and so can verify the information with full authority.

I'm not new to Wikipedia as a user but am new as an active contributor. Therefore can you please advise on the way forward to have the active profile of Shaykh Muhammad restored to the previous version found here

I see from the history that unverified and malicious updates were carried out by unknown authors, can you also advise on how to report or avoid such situations please?



Saf.mustafa (talk) 19:11, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

I'm afraid that, in the absence of sources (on which see WP:RS), there's nothing that can be done. To understand why, please have a look at WP:V and WP:OR; the second link explains why it will not be acceptable to rely on the authority of people who have personal knowledge of the subject. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 19:16, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

Hi again,

I'm still working to fix up the references and sources. Could you please advise if the following example Biography would be acceptable format and citing sources wise?


Saf.mustafa (talk)Safdar —Preceding undated comment added 21:23, 27 March 2011 (UTC).

No, I'm afraid that article would not be a good model at all -- most of the statements in it are completely unsourced, and some of the sources currently being used do not meet the relevant standards. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 06:24, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

Degree Jungle[edit]

There exists very few reputable ranking systems for online colleges. Perhaps the most reputable is from which hasn't been updated for the past 2 years.'s ranking system provide helpful insight into these colleges by ranking them on a set of metrics including average cost of attending, % of student's receiving aid, % of students defaulting on student loans and so on. Not sure why you reverted my edit on Ranking systems help prospective students cut through the marketing hype that bombard them when looking for a good place to enroll. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Brandon.millard (talkcontribs) 22:00, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

1RR complaint about Israel, Palestine and the United Nations[edit]

I noticed your report at WP:ANI#Emmanuelm and 1RR on Israel, Palestine, and the United Nations. It would be helpful if you could explain why each of these edits is a revert. The edits are so complex it is not easy to follow. Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 23:21, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

This one restores the following text (for a second time after I had removed it twice):

His job description, or U.N. mandate, deliberately excludes Palestinian human-rights abuses. As Dugard said on October 19, "I have a limited mandate, which is to investigate human rights violations by Israelis, not by Palestinians." The pre-determined outcome, however, has never been a problem for this lawyer. Far from being embarrassed, he launched into this year’s diatribe this way: "Today I deliver my annual criticism of Israel’s human rights record."

The source is an op-ed entitled "The U.N.'s Spokesperson for Suicide Bombers" -- so this editor is putting statements like "far from being embarrassed, he launched into this year’s diatribe" in the voice of Wikipedia, not of the writer.
The second one changes an assertion that the Israelis bombed two schools in Gaza to an assertion that they bombed only one. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 07:14, 4 March 2011 (UTC)



You're deleting sourced material. Please consult WP:VANDAL. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 18:50, 5 March 2011 (UTC)

i added content if you bother to look at what i did. the stuff about stanford didn't have a citation. Whatali (talk) 18:55, 5 March 2011 (UTC)

Murder of Joanna Yeates[edit]

Please see Talk:Murder of Joanna Yeates#Removal of Chris Jefferies. I wonder if you could explain how an individual editor can unilaterally declare that an edit is not to be undone without talk page consensus? Sam Blacketer (talk) 13:01, 7 March 2011 (UTC)


Don't want to spam the talk page; I'm not associated with that church or the pastor, just an interested and curious observer who's heard a lot about him from friends and acquaintances. Thanks again for your help and I hope when I've finished it also meets your approval. Alexandra Adotrde (talk) 19:29, 16 April 2011 (UTC)

Hi. Can you check the talk page, please? Thanks! Alexandra Adotrde (talk) 12:24, 17 April 2011 (UTC)
Hi again! I will make a note of your comments on the talk page. Can you please vote here: Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Robb_Thompson. Another editor wants the article deleted because Thompson isn't notable apparently. Many thanks, Alexandra Adotrde (talk) 16:04, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

Forgot something[edit]

You forgot to merge the talk page — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dhhhhhtttere (talkcontribs) 22:44, 16 April 2011 (UTC)


The discussion has returned to Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#David_P._Barash - regards. Off2riorob (talk) 22:11, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

Gary A. Olson[edit]

At present, the Gary A. Olson page is disproportionately skewed toward a politicized situation at Idaho State University that although referenced by news sources is not advanced from a neutral perspective. For years, this page has served as an overview that details a scholarly career from a non-inflammatory standpoint. I would like to know how one might approach returning it to that state while maintaining the standards wikipedia has established.Kaj0123 (talk) 21:30, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

You could start by observing WP:SOCK... Look, most of the article apart from the paragraphs on the "situation" is unsourced, and some of it is a pretty obvious effort at WP:PEACOCK. If you want to edit according to Wikipedia's standards, then it's best to learn what those standards are. Start by clicking on "help" at the left. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 21:51, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

If I haven't observed the WP: SOCK protocol, it was unintentional. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kaj0123 (talkcontribs) 00:48, 8 May 2011 (UTC)


Hi would you please comment as to if you have verified this content is actually in the book - thanks Romana_D.Annunzio blpn Off2riorob (talk) 22:41, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

Your question has no basis in a relevant policy; my edit summary was correct, and if you'd like to argue it wasn't then be my guest. The passage in question is verifiable in a source that clearly meets WP:RS. If you want WP:RS to say something different, then try WT:RS. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 18:32, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
Would you please comment there, you have not answered my simple question as to have you accessed and verified the disputed content yourself, please comment on the BLP noticeboard thread. Its not a difficult statement for you to make considering the disputed complained about content you have inserted, thanks. Off2riorob (talk) 18:46, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
If you would like to pose a policy-relevant question, then I will be pleased to answer it. If you would like policy to be different from what it is, then please follow the suggestion above. You are welcome to infer the answer you are seeking from my reply here, but I suggest you refrain from acting on a misapprehension of what the relevant policies are. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 18:51, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
Under the circumstances and that you appear to have added disputed complained about content that you have apparently not verified or accessed - I have remove it again - please do not replace it without either verifying it or getting support for its inclusion at the BLPN. Thanks - Off2riorob (talk) 18:46, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
Not happening, dude -- you want policy to specify that material be available to meet your own idiosyncratic standard of laziness, i.e., be available freely on-line -- and that's just not how it is. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 18:55, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
  • - Plesase stop edit warring content you have not verified and that is complained about at BLPN - please accept this as an edit warring warning. Thanks - Off2riorob (talk) 18:55, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

Warning NPA[edit]

Your edit summary of "remedying the incompetence of User:Off2riorob" - is a personal attack - if you continue I will report you. Off2riorob (talk) 19:00, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

Except that it was indeed incompetent, as my fix showed. Or did it seem competent to you? Nomoskedasticity (talk) 19:02, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

Karen Armstrong[edit]

Funny how you didn't give that 3RR message to the other editors with whom I'm currently in dispute. I wonder why that is. Sleetman (talk) 22:38, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

Yitzchak Ginsburgh[edit]

Please, do not try to tell me you are just removing contested unsourced content in this article. You are trying to make a point. You do not actually contest that those two rabbis are Ginsburgh's students. I have added a source for one of them, which proves that contesting would have been a stupid move. The other one I have seen myself at Ginsburgh's lecture's a few times, and he is definitely a student of his. If you'd like to see that sourced, add a {{Citation needed}} tag, and wait for two years at least, like usually on Wikipedia. Or even better, just don't do anything, since, as I have argued above, you do not actually contest it, nor is this information likely to be contested. In short, you're trying to make some unclear point, in the name of upholding Wikipedia's rules, and that is called wikilawyering, and I really do not appreciate it. Debresser (talk) 23:46, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

You seem to be having a difficult time understanding the fact that I am contesting it. That makes it contested. How delightful that you have provided a source for the one -- but the other will be removed until there is a source for it. You'll appreciate, I'm sure, that your own observations at public events don't work here within WP:OR. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 06:43, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
Of course I understand that. I have tried to find a source for Yehoshua Shapira as well, but so far haven't found one. BTW, the two Shapira's here, Yitchak and Yehoshua, are brothers.
What I would like to ask you is: why are you contesting this information? I fail to understand your rationale. Debresser (talk) 08:24, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

Thank you[edit]

Thank you, for your comments regarding the quality of my improvements to the article Santorum (neologism). Much appreciated. ;) Cheers, -- Cirt (talk) 22:02, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

AfD not complete[edit]

Hello Nomoskedasticity. In the AfD notice at Jason Carley, your link to the AfD discussion is showing as a red link. Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 18:36, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Hmm. And yet when I click on it, it goes to the AfD discussion. I used twinkle to do the nomination. Do you know why this would happen, and/or how to fix it? thanks, Nomoskedasticity (talk) 18:47, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
I agree it works now. Maybe the electrons were on strike. EdJohnston (talk) 19:15, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Message about London London_Metropolitan_University page[edit]

Hello Nomoskedasticity. Thanks for your message. I am a lecturer at London Metropolitan University. I am contributing to the page: and I declare a potential conflict of interest. I am aware of COI rules and intend to exercise great caution when editing this page. My intention is to make contributions which provide a balanced account of the history of the university and to respect wikipedia's neutral point of view principles. My intention is to participate in deletion discussions about articles related to my organisation and I have been careful to explain the reasons for the updates I have made in the Edit summary. Chris Lane chrislane40 (chrislane40) 8.30, 27 May 2011 (GMT+1) —Preceding undated comment added 07:31, 27 May 2011 (UTC).

No worries[edit]

Nomoskedasticity, with regard to your revert of this change I had made in response to talk page suggestions — no worries about it, perhaps you are right that it merits additional discussion, that is a good idea. Cheers, -- Cirt (talk) 09:08, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

Would you stop being so frickin' agreeable??  :) -- thanks, Nomoskedasticity (talk) 09:15, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

another message at my talk page[edit]

you have a 2nd message. -- Avanu (talk) 08:11, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

I am just making a guess, but were you thinking this was related to the previous discussion with Macwhiz and so on? I've taken time to peak with him and I think we're communicating well. Anyway, hope you're well also, take care. -- Avanu (talk) 07:50, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

Sincerity line[edit]

I realized when I added it that it was a bit of OR, however, that preceding line needs something for balance. It comes off as a sincere offer, when there is pretty much no way in hell that either party would make good on such an agreement. Also the comment "the interest starts now" strikes me personally as showing a lack of sincerity. You're right to remove it, but I do still feel there needs to be a balancing sentence there to provide the reader some insight into this offer by Savage. -- Avanu (talk) 08:24, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

Re:Santorum (neologism)[edit]

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Notice for Karen Armstrong[edit]

Thanks...but no thanks I can count thanks. I've also responded to the point you've raised under Armstrong's talk page under the NPOV section just in case you want to respond (anytime soon) to my response. Sleetman (talk) 07:53, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

One more thing, I've raised the issue of the legitimacy of edits to Armstrong's page Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard#Karen Armstrong. You're welcomed to join the discussion (if you wish).Sleetman (talk) 08:02, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

3 rrule[edit]

Thanks for the tip on the 3r rule, I am new here so I don't know them all. But it does appear he reverted my article multiple times today. Any help you can suggest in getting the content added to this article I would appreciate. The facts are undisputed, but somehow we are in the sandbox.  :( — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sandots (talkcontribs) 22:36, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

I would suggest that you learn more about editing here before continuing to add this (even after the 3rr period is up). The way to work it out is to participate on the "discussion" page for that article. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 22:46, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

Pioneer and Murray[edit]

Would you please justify your revert of my edit regarding Murray and Pioneer? What Murray said is both relevant to the article, and based on a reliable secondary source.--Victor Chmara (talk) 16:08, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

WP:CONSENSUS. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 16:20, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
The chief criticisms about the Murray quote were that the analogy was false and that there's no reliable secondary source. The first criticism is OR and irrelevant in any case, whereas the second is no longer true as I used a secondary source. So what's the problem?--Victor Chmara (talk) 17:27, 16 June 2011 (UTC)


I deplore the victory of bureaucracy over truth. Debresser (talk) 20:24, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

But what is truth? Is truth unchanging law? We both have truths. Are mine the same as yours? Nomoskedasticity (talk) 20:56, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
In some areas definitely not. :) But in this specific case I am sure that you personally would have been willing to believe me on my word. Debresser (talk) 21:18, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

IMD - International Institute for Management development[edit]

Hi Nomoskedasticity, I believe that IMD has earned the "Triple Accreditation" from AACSB, AMBA and EQUIS. However this information is not found on the main article page. I think it is useful to have it listed. Can an accreditation section be added? Auditguy (talk) 07:37, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

Are there sources for this? Nomoskedasticity (talk) 16:54, 10 July 2011 (UTC)
Yes there are - AACSB AMBA EQUIS Auditguy (talk) 02:42, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
The sources seem okay. I would refrain from using the phrase "triple accreditation" -- that phrase isn't in the sources and adding it here would amount to WP:SYNTH. I'm also not sure a separate section is needed -- it might be sufficient to add a sentence or two at the end of the history section. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 19:47, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
Thanks. Points noted. Have simply updated the education section to reflect the accreditation by the three organizations. Auditguy (talk) 03:15, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

Edit War Warning - Sir Peter Scott[edit]

You are in danger of entering into an edit war following your multiple reverts. Further reverts will result in a report being filed. This policy works all around. --Lorifredrics (talk) 01:29, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

Are you having a hard time with counting? Nomoskedasticity (talk) 06:48, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

Your Revert of my improvement.[edit]

I am at lost to see what was wrong with my changes, I was using wording from here about what the claim was about, my aim was to remove the very small sentence "The WIPO ruled against Scott", there is no need to build suspense in the article. You point about removing references also seems strange, references are there to verify claims, we have a link to the WIPO ruling, the other ref is not providing anything. Mtking (edits) 07:51, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

The secondary source is to be preferred over the primary. The sentence you constructed was hard to read and ungrammatical. I don't want to make a big deal about it -- I simply disagreed that it was an improvement -- but I do think we should follow the secondary source (and certainly not delete it). Nomoskedasticity (talk) 08:20, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
I have had a second attempt, please let me know if you would like me to make any changes. Mtking (edits) 09:31, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

Removal of Fredrics Name ?[edit]

I don't have a issue with the rewording, but I do with the removal of Fredrics name ? I don't want to just revert, but can you explain why you think it should not be in the body of the text ? To me it adds context and given his name is mentioned in the body of the refs section aids understanding. Mtking (edits) 12:33, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

I don't see how it "aids understanding", and I think it is preferable to omit the names of people who are not notable by Wikipedia standards. In future please raise issues like this on the article talk page, not on user talk pages. thanks, Nomoskedasticity (talk) 12:37, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
I think it does, but I am going to leave it as it. I posted it here as I was directly addressing your edit to try and understand your thinking, I did type it into the talk page of the article, but as it was a question for you chose to post it here as it seamed (and still does) the better place to seek the answer. Mtking (edits) 12:43, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
Again, notability does not apply to information within an article, and goes to the existance of an article only. BETA 20:19, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

Difference between "French Jews" and "French people of Jewish descent"[edit]

Category:French Jews is a subcategory of Category:French people of Jewish descent. Any person who is of Jewish descent or who self-identifies as ethnically Jewish may be placed in the latter. In order to be moved to the former, the individual must self-identify as religiously Jewish, as Category:French Jews is part of the religion category tree; in particular Category:French people by religion. No living person may be placed in any subcategory of a religion category tree except by self-identification. Non-living people may be placed there based on a predominance of sources. Got it? Yworo (talk) 20:57, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

Nope. Sounds like you, too, take the view that being Jewish is solely a matter of religion. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 20:59, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
Obviously not, but Category:French Jews is explicitly a religious category. Therefore BLPCAT applies to it. BLPCAT does not apply to the descent categories, which are explicitly only in ethnic parent categories. We are not using the common definitions of the words here. We are using Wikipedia's definitions of the categories, which are defined by where they depend in the category trees. To be in Category:French Jews, the individual must also belong to all the parent categories of that category. BLPCAT applies here, due to how the category is defined based on its parent categories. Yworo (talk) 21:03, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
At the bottom of the page Category:French Jews, you can see Category:Ethnic groups in France. Category:French Jews is an ethnic category as well, and either usage is appropriate. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 21:07, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
It doesn't matter that Category:French Jews is also an ethnic category. It has to be, b/c it is a subcategory of Category:French people of Jewish descent. To put it more simply, because Category:French Jews is a subcategory of Category:French people by religion, putting a person there is implicitly making a statement about their religious beliefs. We don't make even implicit statements of religious belief through category membership. That's exactly what BLPCAT is intended to prevent. Yworo (talk) 21:09, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
There is no such implication, because being Jewish is not necessarily a matter of beliefs. Again, either usage is appropriate. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 21:12, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
There is such an implication, due to the structure of the category tree. In any case, Category:Ethnic groups in France was misplaced and has now been moved. It should have been on the parent Category:French people of Jewish descent because those people of Jewish descent that don't self-identify as religious Jews are also part of the ethnic group. Yworo (talk) 21:15, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
Ah -- what was there doesn't comport with your argument, so you change it -- nice. In any event -- I understand that you see it the way you see it. In language that everyone can understand: "French Jews" doesn't imply (Jewish) religious belief. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 21:23, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
Yes, it does. That is precisely why there is also a Category:French people of Jewish descent. Yworo (talk) 21:28, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
The only way your statement makes any sort of sense is if you start with the view that being Jewish is only a matter of religion. In language that everyone can understand: one can be a "French Jew" without having any religious beliefs. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 21:33, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
Categories follow their own logic. They do not follow the confusions of natural language. If Category:French Jews is in Category:French people by religion, it is a religious category and subject to BLPCAT, even if the idiom "French Jews" is used ambiguously in natural language. Yworo (talk) 21:35, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
There's no confusion in the "natural language". In language that everyone can understand: one can be a "French Jew" without having any religious beliefs. It's really not confusing. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 21:40, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
Categories follow set theory. If a French individual identifies as ethnically Jewish, they are entitled to be in Category:French people of Jewish descent; if they also identify religiously, they are entitled to be in Category:French Jews. However, as the latter is a subcategory of the former, they are moved to the subcategory rather than listed in both categories. Being in any category means that an article is also considered to be within all the parent categories of that category. Therefore, being in Category:French Jews mean both that the persons religion is being defined, due to being also contained in Category:French people by religion and their ethnicity is also being defined, due to being included within Category:French people of Jewish descent. That is, religious Jews are a subset of ethnic Jews. Just read and understand WP:CAT, dammit, and tell me when you have. Otherwise further discussion is pointless. You are attempting to apply natural language to a logical system in a way that is beyond the capacity of that logical system. Yworo (talk) 21:44, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
Tell me: what category would you use for someone (say, a French someone) who is Jewish by conversion and believes fervently in the whole thing? (I'll address the question of what WP:CAT says, after you've kindly offered an answer to that question.) Nomoskedasticity (talk) 06:46, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
Someone who converts becomes a descendent of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. They consider themselves of Jewish descent and since ethnic identity is a voluntary self-identification and not "racial", they would be entitled to be in French Jews just like any other Jew who professes or practices the religion of Judaism. The fact that this also places them within one of the "Jewish descent" categories isn't at all a problem. This may seem a little confusing because of the naming of the "Jewish descent" categories, but they are at root categories of ethnic self-identification and not racial or genetic tagging categories. Therefore a person is of Jewish descent if they say they are, which they do when they convert. They are "adopted" into the tribe and are considered of Jewish descent in their communities, even if some other communities of Jews don't accept that self-identification. Yworo (talk) 13:38, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
P.S. You might want to ask Andy the Grump to review my answer and see if he agrees. I think he will but I may be wrong. He is also very knowledgeable about the category system and the nature of ethnic identity vs. racial tagging; you might get some insight into exactly what he has been consistently objecting to for some time. It might not be quite exactly what you've been thinking it is.... Yworo (talk) 13:51, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────This is impressive. By which I mean, the extent to which you're willing to go in bending what is otherwise perfectly normal use of language, in order to get to the conclusion about categories that you prefer. What we then get is that DSK is not a "French Jew", while a (French) convert is, דוקא by virtue of being "of Jewish descent". Is all of this anything more than how it seems to you, or is there a discussion somewhere that indicates a consensus along these lines? As for WP:CAT: in your understanding, an application of set theory for determination of subcategories amounts to requirement for an "AND" condition, not "OR". I don't see this at WP:CAT. You keep mentioning how "confusing" the result is. In this instance at least (possibly others as well), a different approach is preferable, not least for being less confusing. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 18:01, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

Actually, WP:CAT does say that, though rather indirectly: "If logical membership of one category implies logical membership of a second, then the first category should be made a subcategory (directly or indirectly) of the second." IMO, you also seem unfamiliar with the current treatment of ethnicity, that it is a matter of choice or self-identification. I also believe that the "descent" categories should be more clearly labelled as "of Jewish ethnicity" rather than descent. They are ethnic categories by virtue of their placement in the category tree as children of various ethnic categories. On Wikipedia, we reserve the unqualified use of the word "Jew" (in the category system) as indicating religious belief, at least for living persons, and use the phrase ""of Jewish descent" to refer to ethnicity. These descent categories were created specifically to be used for non-religious Jews so that we clearly don't imply belief by inclusion in the category. Again, ask Andy: I am almost certain he will agree with this analysis, as would anyone intimately familiar with the design and intended use of the category system. Yworo (talk) 19:18, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
If that (your quoted sentence) is the best you can come up with, then it's clear that WP:CAT does not say what you think it says. As a sociologist, I'm quite surprised to learn that I'm unfamiliar with the current treatment of ethnicity; having published a number of articles that discuss Jewish ethnicity in particular, I'm even more surprised to learn of my ignorance of that specific topic. Your ideas could hardly be generalized: if I chose to self-identify as Japanese, would I be "of Japanese descent"? The form of expression "On Wikipedia, we [do this or that]" seems awfully authoritative -- though curiously lacking in references to discussions that would demonstrate that it's anything more than ruminations. In any event: I do see how you see things, but I don't feel bound by it, again not least because it produces results that are (in your own words) confusing -- hardly worthy of an encyclopedia. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 19:46, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
  • Sorry to butt in, but this wilful twisting of concepts and refusal to understand plain English is tiring. Nomo, what has your "Japanese" example got to do with anything - Japanese is only an ethnicity and not a religion so it's apples and pears, compare what is comparable. The Jewish issue appears to be unique and complex but this has been thrashed out about a thousand times in the last two months, DSK is "of Jewish descent" but the fact that he is a practising Jew (or not) is neither notable nor pertinent to his public persona. I have lived in France for 20 years now and only learnt that DSK was Jewish due to all this arguing on Wikipedia, i.e. it has never been an issue in France (because France considers itself to be secular so people don't go around wearing their religion on their sleeve even if they are believers).CaptainScreebo Parley! 20:13, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
  • If you're tired, then posting here can hardly help. I'm not saying he is a practicing Jew -- only a French one. Willful twisting of concepts is what is getting us to the idea that a convert is "of Jewish descent". Nomoskedasticity (talk) 20:27, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
Oh, there are other clear statements about subcategories being "included" within their parent. For example, "Pages are not placed directly into every possible category, only into the most specific one in any branch. This means that if a page belongs to a subcategory of C (or a subcategory of a subcategory of C, and so on) then it is not normally placed directly into C." and WP:SUBCAT says both "When making one category a subcategory of another, ensure that the members of the first really can be expected (with possibly a few exceptions) to belong to the second also." and "If two categories are closely related but are not in a subset relation, then links between them can be included in the text of the category pages." Implied in the last is that if the relation is not a subset relation, then one should not be a subcat of the other. Yworo (talk) 19:55, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
Sure -- but most of that is about how to organize categories, not how to apply them to articles. If anything, your first quotation suggests including DSK in "French Jews", because for the "ethnicity tree" it is the most specific one he belongs to. The question not addressed is, how to deal with sub-categories that intersect two (or more) different trees. Your version of logic requires AND (and results here in confusion). Another possibility, more appropriate to the case we're discussing, is OR. (I'm really curious about your answer to my "Japanese" question, by the way; even more curious about references to discussions that make all of this anything more than your version.) Nomoskedasticity (talk) 20:04, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
Also, I believe it was Max Weber who introduced the concept of "ethnic group" into sociology, and he wrote that "it does not matter whether an objective blood relationship exists". While I am sure that there is disagreement in the field, certainly the idea of ethnic identification and membership does not require literal descent. Wikipedia certainly discourages considering ethnicity to be racial or genetic. As a published author, surely you know that the straw man you bring up is just that, and I already said that the descent categories should be renamed to ethnicity categories, so even if it were valid criticism it would be misplaced. Yworo (talk) 20:07, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
So we have a category system that results in confusion and uses poorly-worded labels -- and yet you insist on rigid adherence to it, according to a system of logic that isn't specified. Do tell me where I'm going wrong... Nomoskedasticity (talk) 20:28, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
You're going wrong by insisting the BLPCAT doesn't apply to a category in a religious subcategory tree. Anything that can cover both ethnicity and religion must be governed by BLPCAT, so even if you were right about how the categories should be used or named, you'd still be violatiing WP:BLP and WP:BLPCAT when using your flimsy excuse that since it can mean ethnicity we should just ignore that it can also mean religion. Yworo (talk) 20:38, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
If you like to discuss proposing renaming the categories so that they more clearly match what the category trees imply, at least that would be useful. I've made such a proposal here, where it could be discussed some before proposing it at WP:CFD. Yworo (talk) 20:42, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
But I'm going wrong in that way only if I'm wrong about where *you're* going wrong. Irony-detector malfunction, perhaps? Nomoskedasticity (talk) 20:23, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
Not really an excuse not to improve the category naming so that it corresponds to the categories' positions in the category tree and makes it completely clear whether a particular category refers to ethnic or religious identification. Yworo (talk) 20:27, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

1RR on the UN/Israel article[edit]

It's ironic and hypocritical of you to threaten to report someone when:

A) You violated the rule several times, and

B) You refused to actually examine the source before claiming that "you have a curious notion of 'unsourced'".

In the future please don't criticize or threaten others for violating rules after you yourself have done so. And further please refrain from patronizingly trying to "educate" others.

And more importantly, please read the reason for edits and examine the sources before dismissively returning them with disdainful comments.

--Wikieditorpro (talk) 23:16, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

Personal Attacks[edit]

Please refrain from personal attacks and false accusations as per WP:NPA. Your sleazy and suggestive innuendo don't help either. Wikieditorpro (talk) 18:29, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

Category system[edit]

Please read about our category system, it's clear that you don't understand it. Articles and categories are categorized into the narrowest category that applies to it. If Category:French people of Jewish descent is in Category:Ethnic groups in France, then so is the subcategory Category:French Jews. We do not additionally put it on this subcategories because they are already included in the parent category. You are cross-categorizing subcategories in a way that was not intended. Categorization is not intended to be "fuzzy". It follows the rules of logic and hierarchy. You've been pointed to the correct policies and guidelines, now try to read them without reading in your own biases. Yworo (talk) 21:24, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

International Institute for Management development (IMD)[edit]

Hi Nomoskedasticity, I left the following note on the IMD discussion page and would appreciate/welcome your comments, thanks. The IMD article is much too long especially with the alumni list. Is there any objection to editing it to keep only the blue-linked alumni names? Auditguy (talk) 04:40, 30 July 2011 (UTC)


Greetings, Nomoskedasticity, just wanted to express my appreciation for your recent edits of Harold Covington. Stubbing controversial articles can often precipitate nasty conflicts, so it was heartening to see your constructive approach. Best, Skomorokh 01:37, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

Thanks -- there's enough good material, there's no need to use the dodgy stuff. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 15:57, 1 August 2011 (UTC)


(cur | prev) 23:17, October 1, 2011 Nomoskedasticity (talk | contribs) (200,621 bytes) (Undid revision 453435475 by Off2riorob (talk) of course it is -- what on earth could that mean?) (undo) (cur | prev) 23:10, October 1, 2011 Off2riorob (talk | contribs) (200,604 bytes) (remove - not beneficial) (undo)

The idea is if the templates are smaller than a screen view and you can see the toc that there is no need for the click to go to toc template - If this is clearer now do you continue to have an objection to removal of the template? Off2riorob (talk) 22:21, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

On netbooks there is still more than a screen of templates. Don't want to make a big thing of it -- but I suspect in the end you'll have to explain the collapsing of the article list as well. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 22:28, 1 October 2011 (UTC)
I don't view on a net book - why there is still more than a screen visible on that platform is strange to me but I will take your word for it. Tidying of templates is the way to go imo - we are getting swamped with them - the linking to in some cases articles that would not be considered reliable to include in the article seems naval gazing to me and the large template is of no benefit to the article either imo - simply collapsing it seems a totally reasonable position - others may likely disagree.. regards - Off2riorob (talk) 22:37, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

Anthony Bologna afd[edit]

If I'm just being stupid please don't hesitate to say so, but didn't you mean to say on your !Keep reasoning "if there had not been an article prior to the pepper-spraying, then it would have been a matter of BLP1E..."? LoveUxoxo (talk) 17:06, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

No -- if someone had written an article on him prior to the pepper-spray incident, discussing only the matters covered at earlier points, then it would have been BLP1E. With the pepper-spraying incident on top of the earlier stuff, BLP1E no longer applies. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 18:31, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
OK, I believe finally I got it now, thanks. LoveUxoxo (talk) 00:58, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

MfD nomination of Wikipedia:BLP2E[edit]

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Stirling University[edit]

Are you aware that your insertion about a tribunal case in Stirling University has been removed? — Preceding unsigned comment added by JohnDav22 (talkcontribs) 08:49, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

Au contraire! ;~)[edit]

3RR exemptions

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Oh dear -- if you think you can wave "BLP" around and be exempt from 3RR, you might have a rude awakening. My own edits (in my view of course) more closely conform with WP:BLP. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 19:17, 29 October 2011 (UTC)

Concrete proposal[edit]

Someone did make one: Wikipedia talk:What Wikipedia is not#Proposed change to WP:NOTCENSORED. ASCIIn2Bme (talk) 13:28, 4 November 2011 (UTC)


Can I ask your opinion about this? Talk:Muhammad/images#Black_stone_image --Anthonyhcole (talk) 14:23, 8 November 2011 (UTC)


[16] I haven't followed this info, but should we specify which police department said that? And whom? Who did McQueary say he reported it to. "Police" is vague. The police rebuttal is specific. Jesanj (talk) 17:11, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

I can see why this would be desirable. It would also be possible to provide so much detail that the article becomes difficult to read. So it would be a question of balance, and at this point I would lean against significant addition of detail. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 17:25, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

You and welcome templates[edit]

Don't follow me round - it is because of you and others like you that I have moved along so I don't want or need your welcome templates. Your posting of one on a talkpage clearly labeled as mine was just taking the piss and childish. Stay off any talkpage that I label as mine. - Your attitude in adding a welcome template in the manner of pissing to a talkpage with a retired template on it shows you for the person you really are. Youreallycan (talk) 16:50, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

Sorry. I suppose I should have looked for an unwelcome template. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 19:55, 27 November 2011 (UTC)
Rob, [F/f]or someone with such an interest in BLPs you show remarkably little interest in LPs. BTW, I don't understand why you'd get a new account only to slap retired on it, and then return to the drama board immediately, but soit. Drmies (talk) 23:05, 28 November 2011 (UTC)


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slip of the mouse[edit]

For the record, because there might be a misunderstanding. I deleted your three comments by accident, and they got labelled as vandalism. They were certainly not, & I immediately restored them. And replied; though we disagree, I certainly intended no negative implications about what you said. If you think it worth rev del, that's fine with me, but I'm not supposed to rev del my own errors. DGG ( talk ) 18:58, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

Thanks -- no worries, I hadn't noticed, and in any event I've made similar slips myself. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 19:04, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

Muhammad images arbitration case[edit]

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talkpage headers[edit]

Please stop adding what can be interpretated as opinionated attacking headers in relation to a living subject of a wikipedia article. Youreallycan (talk) 04:15, 23 December 2011 (UTC)

Please revert to a npov blp compliant header or I will be forced to report you. Youreallycan (talk) 04:17, 23 December 2011 (UTC)

ANI fyi[edit]

Orphaned refs[edit]

Careful with those Cracker Barrel deletions, you're generating cite errors by orphaning references. 28bytes (talk) 21:49, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

There's a bot that fixes that, isn't there? Nomoskedasticity (talk) 21:51, 4 January 2012 (UTC)
I think there is, but I'm not sure how often it runs. 28bytes (talk) 21:52, 4 January 2012 (UTC)
I think it's pretty quick -- let's give it a couple of hours, anyway. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 21:53, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

my username[edit]

Hi I would appreciate it if you just refer to me by my current username, my previous username is quite easily visible and users are allowed ot drop a username without people continuing to refer to their old username. If you object to my request, would you please explain why if you do, thanks . Youreallycan 17:37, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

Santorum merger[edit]

You suggested I not tag the articles until there is a discussion but there can't be a discussion until the articles are tagged (that's why there's a "discuss" link on the tag). Please don't remove the tags until the discussion has occurred. Vale of Glamorgan (talk) 21:27, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

That's not true -- there's nothing preventing initiation of a talk page section and then adding a tag later. People sometimes add a tag without starting a discussion -- that's what I was seeing. I won't remove it again, but I will insist that you link the previous discussions, and again I think you're wasting your time. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 21:31, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
Sure, my point though is it's not necessary for there to be a discussion before a merger tag since the function of that tag is to prompt a discussion. Vale of Glamorgan (talk) 22:05, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

Cracker Barrel Old Country Store peer review[edit]

Hi Nomoskedasticity, I've just peer reviewed the Cracker Barrel article and we'd like to get some more input from interested editors. If you're interested, please weigh in. Thanks, Mark Arsten (talk) 22:11, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

Cracker Barrel[edit]

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Randy Altschuler page[edit]

Any reason why you restored a NPOV noncompliant post on Randy Altschuler's page? The offending section was posted by a user who was active for all of two days in the heat of a 2010 campaign.

The "source" cited merely quotes the press release of the opposition candidate, and the user Brookster22 is clearly a sockpuppet for an opposing candidate. Whatever happend to enforcement of WP:SELFPUB in that case? — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 01:33, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

Please discuss how to edit an article at the article talk page. Anyway a newspaper article is not SELFPUB. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 07:42, 23 January 2012 (UTC)


I know it was a while ago, but I wanted to compliment your great re-edit. I should have thought of that. --Bertrc (talk) 20:25, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

Thanks... Nomoskedasticity (talk) 22:43, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

Full Sail University[edit]

Hello, I noticed your changes on the Full Sail University article, thank you for your contributions. As you may have noticed, the edits made by Hallows_AG were based on the proposed revisions found in User:Tylergarner/sandbox. I have two minor edit suggestions for the article, which I have bulleted below.

  • In the "Academics: Online Programs" section, the phrase "Macintosh-based" is outdated. A proposed change would be to "Mac OS X-based".
  • Do you think that it would be fair to remove citation 45, as it does not mention Full Sail University?

--Tylergarner (talk) 00:10, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

Both changes seem okay, though I'm less keen on the second one. The InsideHigherEd article is a good one for the general point. If it were the only one for the point about this particular university, then we would probably want to remove that sentence as insufficiently verified -- but I think it's a useful reference here, in a supplementary role. BTW, best to discuss the article on its talk page, not here. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 19:30, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────Hello, I just wanted to follow up and thank you for your assistance earlier. I've proposed a revision to the History section of this article here but have not yet received a response, would you be willing to review? --Tylergarner (talk) 16:58, 3 February 2012 (UTC)


Hello, you recently participated in a straw poll concerning a link at the Campaign for "santorum" neologism article. I am giving all the poll participants a heads-up that a RfC on the same issue is being conducted here. BeCritical 19:45, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

Shoeing being discussed on WP:BLPN[edit]

Since we are discussing an issue under WP:BLP, it is appropriate that the content be not inserted back into the article again until a reasonable time has elapsed after discussion. The burden of proof lies clearly on those who insert the content. Please revert yourself, and I will be happy to let the picture stay after a reasonable time has elapsed post-discussion. Thanks. — Nearly Headless Nick {C} 17:38, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

The burden of proof is satisfied by the responses to the BLPN thread that you started. You started the thread, you've had feedback -- now live with it. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 17:43, 4 February 2012 (UTC)


I'm in Australia but I've spent a fair bit of time in the UK. --Anthonyhcole (talk) 16:43, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

Okay -- happy to know that I was wrong. It just makes for a puzzle that I hadn't expected. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 16:48, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

Edit reversion at Rick Santorum[edit]

That certainly was a bad revert and I didn't do it intentionally but was done mistakenly. Sorry for that! --SMS Talk 21:29, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

Okay. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 21:30, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

I'm puzzled at your revert of my edit, which you called "slow-motion edit warring" and "rejected" - I wasn't aware that there had been previous conflict over any attempts to consolidate all of Santorum's positions on LGBT and women's issues into one section. Could you direct me to such edits and/or discussion? (Also confused at your removal of the link to and paragraph on the creation of the neologism - that, if anything, would seem to be the rejected edit.) –Roscelese (talkcontribs) 08:28, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

I didn't intend to revert you (my edit summary was directed at someone else), and I'm totally puzzled by the way those edits went. I was attempt to restore something deleted by another editor -- and what really makes me puzzled is that when I entered the edit box the text I was seeking to restore wasn't there. As I'm sure you've seen by now, I have reverted myself, and I apologize for the implication that you saw in my edit summary. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 08:31, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
Maybe you were trying to restore the material that Dominus Vobisdu had already restored? Anyway, thanks for clearing that up. –Roscelese (talkcontribs) 09:12, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

Rename at Campaign for "santorum" neologism[edit]

Hello, since you recently participated in an RfC at Campaign for "santorum" neologism, I thought you might be interested in this proposal for renaming the article, or perhaps another of the rename proposals on the page. Best, BeCritical 22:03, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

Re: mail[edit]

Regarding this, I haven't received any e-mail from you. Did you intend it for me or another user? Viriditas (talk) 01:16, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

Nevermind. Just got it. :) Viriditas (talk) 01:17, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

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Talk:Rick Santorum[edit]

Thanks for sticking up for me there. Many a serious point can be made using humour, I like to think.--Milowenthasspoken 20:06, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

No problem -- people taking themselves far too seriously around here at times... Nomoskedasticity (talk) 22:07, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

Santorum vs santorum[edit]

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Could you please explain what has caused you to make this unnecessary and pointed comment?-The Gnome (talk) 10:42, 15 February 2012 (UTC)
Nothing "caused" me to make it -- I chose to make it. There's a merge discussion that hasn't even been closed yet, though it's obvious how it is going to be closed. There have been a number of previous merge discussions, all with the same outcome. Taking it to DR -- instead of accepting that the community has repeatedly expressed a clear view on the matter -- is forum-shopping. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 13:04, 15 February 2012 (UTC)
It is not the first time that multiple RfC's have been conducted in Wikipedia. Certainly, not everyone of them is "forum shopping". As a matter of fact, it was you who asked that the matter be "closed". So, I chose, instead of declaring victory for one side or the other and closing the matter then and there, to take this to Dispute Resolution. It's part of the way Wikipedia works, I think. Yet to you it is "forum shopping" and moreover an "obvious" one. At the very least, this show empathy and prejudice: I already clarified to you that this is the first (and probably wretched last) I'm involved in this issue.
I looked at your input in a lot of discussions with other Wiki editors, and it's clear you are prone to be brusque and impolite, often attacking the other party in personal terms. Perhaps, you could take this as the friendly, constructive and totally detached observation that it is and you do something about it. Cheers, The Gnome (talk) 16:59, 15 February 2012 (UTC)
Wait, I'm confused -- I showed "empathy", but I'm "impolite"? Anyway -- if you think my telling you that you were forum-shopping is inappropriate, we'll simply have to agree to disagree. More generally, you say "brusque and impolite" -- but I say forthright and blunt. I appreciate the offer of friendly and constructive observations, but in fact it's quite common to have "robust exchanges" on Wikipedia. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 18:07, 16 February 2012 (UTC)


Thanks for the message. The sad thing is that I made sure that he was clearly informed about his 3rr. Dominus Vobisdu (talk) 20:29, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

Actually, he had informed me before you did. I didn't notice it because he added it up in another section. Dominus Vobisdu (talk) 04:53, 17 February 2012 (UTC)


When I wrote "per talk", I meant "see talk". Will be more precise next time, thanks. —Eustress talk 08:18, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

I don't see how that's any different. The talk page doesn't establish consensus for the edit. You've mentioned on the talkpage why you think it's better -- but the only case you can make for the edit is that you think it's better. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 08:20, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
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I can see it, but if you want to make a point you'll have to make it. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 08:25, 17 February 2012 (UTC)


Discussion about Elsevier's page on wikipedia


I was much too busy until now to have time to answer you.

On the page 'Elsevier' of Wikipedia you can read: 'Elsevier employs more than 7,000 people in over 70 offices across 24 countries. In addition, there are 7,000 journal editors, 70,000 editorial board members, 300,000 reviewers and 600,000 authors for its publications.'

On February 15th I added after publication the important precision: (all of them, besides rare exceptions, perform that work without being paid by Elsevier).

Your arguments were: (Unsourced, and wrong anyway Elsevier pays its editors, board members and reviewers get reductions on books and such (and their numbers put the number of boycott signatories rather nicely in perspective...).

I do not agree with your statement. I am member of the editorial board of the journal 'Applied and Computational Harmonic Analysis' (ACHA) since 1993 when we created this mathematical journal with Academic Press which then moved to Elsevier when it bought Academic Press in 2000. Incidently, ACHA was created by the group of scientists who developed wavelet theory. I would like to testify that I have never been paid by Elsevier, neither have any reduction on books. The only 'priviledge' members of the editorial board get is a free copy of the journal, that technically makes sense since we need to follow what is published in ACHA (while our academic institutions have not all suscribe to get it). Last week Ingrid Daubechies, one of the three chief editor of ACHA signed the petition 'The cost of knowledge', resigned and publicly mentionned that she has never been paid by Elsevier. I have been associate editor in two other mathematical journals and in 40 years of career I have only recieved a mug from SIAM (Society of Industrial and Applied Mathematics) to thank me when I left the editorial board.

Let us consider the figures given on wikipedia: 'In addition, there are 7,000 journal editors, 70,000 editorial board members, 300,000 reviewers and 600,000 authors for its publications. The company publishes 2,000 journals and 20,000 books [1]'. Note that in reference [1] those 977 000 persons are mentionned as 'partners'. Let us now assume that for each of those 2000 journals one chief editor is paid by Elsevier (I have no proof of this but I can ask the three chief editors of ACHA), this would make 2000 paid editors, i.e., 0.2% of the scientists working for Elsevier. This is what I mean by 'rare exceptions'. After you discarded my addition, I put it back with 'few exceptions' hoping to please you better, but you removed it again. I have talked to biologists, physicists and chemists who confirmed me that in their field too all those scientists are not paid by Elsevier (besides the case of some one who has been running a chemistry journal for 31 years and who recognized receiving money from Elsevier).

My point in adding the sentence you have discarded is that Elsevier never explain that. No mention of this is made in reference [1]. If you are an academic scientist you will certainly understand why we think this is a problem.

I have been asked by CNRS to write a recommendation concerning relations between researchers and publishers that you can download from in 'Publications' paper n° 316.

Looking forward to read your answer, Best regards,

Marie Farge, Directrice de Recherche CNRS __________________________________________________________________________

Ecole Normale Supérieure, 24, rue Lhomond, 75231 Paris Cedex 5.

Tel: 33-(0)1-44-32-22-35 Fax: 33-(0)1-43-36-83-92 Email: Web:// __________________________________________________________________________ — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 12:36, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

Paul Lambrino[edit]

Don't lie in edit summaries. The insertion of material is not a deletion. DrKiernan (talk) 10:35, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

I evidently misunderstood, and I apologize. Now you can piss off. In future, if it looks like someone made an error, perhaps you can raise it as an inquiry, rather than immediately accusing someone of lying. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 10:39, 19 February 2012 (UTC)
In future, if it looks like someone made an error, perhaps you can politely correct them, rather than telling them to piss off. DrKiernan (talk) 10:46, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

As a courtesy to other contributors could we please discuss contested edits on the talk page, not in our edit summaries?[edit]

You added a {{dubious}} tag. Your explanation for this dubious tag, such as it was, was in your edit summary.

I have two requests of you.

First, could you please stop solely providing explanations for controversial edits in your edit summaries? This practice is an unnecessary trigger to edit-warring, as someone who disagrees with you is going to be tempted to respond with an edit summary of their own, saying so -- and that will require them reverting you. Really, reading the discussion of editorial issues should not require a reader to look at both the article's talk page -- and the article's contribution history, to see the edit summaries. Reconciling which edit summaries were responses to which substantive comments in the talk page is an unnecessary burden. If the explanation for the edit is more than a phrase, or a link to a policy page or previous discussion, it really belongs on the talk page, not in the edit summary. If the edit or explanation is controversial, the explanation really belongs on the talk page.

I am sorry the documentation for the {{dubious}} tag isn't clearer. When instantiated the dubious tag provides two links. The second link "discuss", will take the reader to where the tag placer has initiated a discussion of whatever they consider dubious. So, if you had put {{dubious|Guilt by association?}}, when instantiated clicking on the "discuss" link would try to take the reader to Talk:Sajeel Shahid#Guilt by association?. Of course you would also have the responsibility to have created a subsection entitled "Guilt by association?" -- but you should already have done that -- rather than follow a practice that is a trigger to edit-warring.

I request you try your best to avoid leaving edit summaries that could serve to trigger edit warring, in so far as you are able. I request that when you use the {{dubious}} tag, you use it in a manner where the "discuss" link takes the reader to an actual discussion of your concern.


Yours for more collegial collaboration... Geo Swan (talk) 12:54, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for your message. I do see the point about the "dubious" tag -- though I think it's also pretty obvious that the sentence was a mess. However, as per WP:BURDEN it's pretty clear that starting a discussion is something to be started by the editor who wants to add/restore material. While I agree that talk-page discussion is a good thing, it is often appropriate for deletions to be done without it. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 17:05, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
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Jeffrey Epstein article[edit]

Hi Nomoskedasticity,

I understand that Epstein's convictions are serious but this is supposed to be an encyclopedia, with a neutral point of view. I, along with many others, feel that there is definitely a biased agenda to portraying Epstein as just a criminal. He is more than that, so it should cover all aspects that are worthy. The Program for Evolutionary Dynamics needs to be defined and explained because it was the FIRST acamdemic group that focused on quantifying evolution. It is also the first program in the world that established the mathematic quantification of the in vivo kinetics of a human cancer. To say, that one should not put in a definition and just rely on the reference link is not in line with encyclopedic reporting or any reporting for that matter. The Program for Evolutionary Dynamics is not a household name like the Bible or the Eiffel Tower, so it needs a defining line, especially for what it accomplished in the field of cancer. Why would you want to omit this? If I were to just refer to the Epic of Gilgamesh, noone would know what I was writing about unless I identified it as the first known novel in history. I wouldn't expect the reader to have to look up the reference to understand what is going on. I look forward to your response and hope that I won't just be stone walled by a cabal of so-called editors who really just have their own agenda to push.

I am also very troubled by leading a BLP article with a mug shot, when there are other salient aspects to the person. This is truly biased in my opinion and Wikipedia is very conservative about using mug shots. Al Pacino and many other famous people have mug shots from crimianl activity ranging from prostitution, underage girls, drugs etc but the mug is not a lead photo because of the other important aspects to that person.

Please consider and get back to me. Thank you, turvillTurvill (talk) 21:11, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

Oh, but you're not optimistic on that score (I might just be a "so-called editor")?? The WP:TOPIC point stands, and the right way to deal with the issue you raise is to consider whether it makes sense to have a separate article on the Program for Evolutionary Dynamics (or perhaps to put the relevant material into the article on Harvard). Nomoskedasticity (talk) 21:20, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

Full Sail University[edit]

Hello, you may remember me from our prior discussion here. I've proposed a revision to the History section of the Full Sail University article here but have not yet received a response on the Talk page or on Hallows AG talk page since posting on February 17, would you be willing to review? --Tylergarner (talk) 22:01, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

I've taken this one off my watchlist, in an attempt to cut down on time spent here. You might try a visit here. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 22:14, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

Jeffrey Epstein article[edit]

money laundering is not mentioned in ANY of the sources given. So I would like too remove it because it is libel. This is a serious accusation and needs to be sourced. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Turvill (talkcontribs) 19:55, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

Response from Turville Re: Epstein article[edit]

Hello, thank you for your posts and for adjusting the mug shot to the more appropriate location. I am not as claimed, a pr crony for Jeffrey Epstein. I do though come from a science journalist background, had heard of the Program for Evolutionary Dynamics at Harvard, and when I came across this article I was quite taken by the lob-sided presentation of this piece. It struck me immediately as slanderous vs. having a neutral point of view. MONEY LAUNDERING: the link that was added to back this, does not connect through. That is extremely problematic given that this is in the lead of the piece and libel if not properly sourced. I googled money laundering and Jeffrey Epstein and found the article url that mentions it but this is what I found, and I quote: "Yet a source tells The Daily Beast that Epstein’s legal troubles may not be over. IT IS POSSIBLE THAT, as an outgrowth of the 2007 Florida investigation, federal investigators are now looking into allegations of money laundering and other financial misdeeds. Villafana notes at the end of her letter to Lefkowitz: “You accuse me of broadening the scope of the investigation without any foundation for doing so by adding charges of money laundering and violations of a money transmitting business to the investigation. Again, I consulted with the Justice Department’s Money Laundering Section about my analysis...the duty officer agreed with my analysis.”

Something being "possible" in the press is not the same as something that actually "is" as claimed in the lead of the article. And just because the duty office agreed with the analysis is not evidence that money laundering is under investigation. So, so far the lead is misleading and false. Also, I think it would show a biased point of view if it were stated in the lead of the article that he "may be" under investigation for money laundering. We should just stick to the facts. Unless you can find an article that confirms that he IS under investigation for money laundering, I think it should be removed. PROGRAM for EVOLUTIONARY DYNAMICS: this was entirely established from Jeffrey Epstein's $30 million, as was the research that was the first to mathematically quantify the in vivo kinetics of human cancer cells. That was a major achievement in the field of cancer and I think it should be allowed back into the article.

Thank you for your thoughts. PS. I didn't use this talk page because I simply overlooked it and so went to your individual talk pages instead. I agree that this is a better forum, so long as it is a venue that editors look at. my best, Turville50.74.171.70 (talk) 17:34, 5 March 2012 (UTC)


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Altering my comment[edit]

Please don't alter my comments as you did in this diff - Please explain why you did that? Youreallycan 16:24, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

I didn't alter anything, certainly not by design -- it's probably an edit conflict. If you could write in proper sentences the first time and cease the endless editing of your own comments this sort of thing would probably happen less. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 16:30, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

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Gabriel Cousens[edit]

Hi, thanks for taking a look at the article. I have left some comments and questions for you on the talk page (Talk:Gabriel_Cousens#Recent_edits). Cheers, Ocaasi t | c 11:33, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

  • I have reverted this edit. "Supported"--possibly. But the sources are terrible, and WP articles, certainly BLPs shouldn't have "Reputation" sections whose sole intent is to puff up the subject. I'm surprised you think they should--I'm also surprised you didn't see that the decent references were brought into biography section. And I'll grant you "American Jews", BTW--thanks for restoring that. Drmies (talk) 14:07, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

Nomoskedasticity, I made changes to the page of University Bible Fellowship because there were many unbiased facts about it. I wanted to improve the page, for University Bible Fellowship has changed throughout the years. The Controversy content was intolerant and prejudiced. I do not think that removing the Controversy content is considered vandalism; I was trying to improve the encyclopedia with a good-faith effort. I hope you understand. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Inesuh1012 (talkcontribs) 05:02, 25 March 2012 (UTC)


I would sincere appreciate your take on it and the matter at hand, I believe more independent contributors to the article will make it better quality and more accurate. Furthermore I would like to know more about 3rr and how it applies to the edits at pink slime and whether reverting content removal or simple semantic changes count as reverts or simple incubational progress.LuciferWildCat (talk) 08:44, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

There?LuciferWildCat (talk) 05:35, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

April 2012[edit]

So if I ask permission from the university's web developer, I could finally add those information? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kjmc28 (talkcontribs) 14:08, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

No -- the university's website exists mainly for the purpose of promoting the university, and so putting that text here violates WP:PROMOTION. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 14:25, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

Its not promotion is it? They were mainly historical details, that is if you even bothered to read before you decided to delete them. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kjmc28 (talkcontribs) 21:21, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

History told from the point of view of the institution. That material is already hosted by the university's website -- we don't need it here. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 21:33, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

Can I at least add photos? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kjmc28 (talkcontribs) 21:41, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

There are already photos on the page. If you think there's a need for more, then make a case on the article's talk page. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 21:44, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

Not enough in my opinion. Would you please be kind enough to direct me how to do that? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kjmc28 (talkcontribs) 21:47, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

Sorry -- I don't work with photos and don't know the relevant policies. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 21:48, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

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Your claim that I am SMD[edit]

Please explain your use of the tag to describe me as SMD - seriously mentally deficient? I note you are continuing to follow and revert my contributions, you make a single edit to revert me, unless you are focusing on my contributions there is no explanation and as you have been in dispute with me continually for more than a year now - would you be prepared to work a voluntary topic ban between you and me? Anyway - please do stop attacking me with assertions of medical problems or low intelligence and all the other snide comments you make about me in your reverting edit summaries. - diff Youreallycan 19:03, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

This message actually makes me a bit sad. SMD = Scott MacDonald. Really, this should have been obvious. The fact that you took it to mean "seriously mentally deficient" can only be taken as a sign of low self-esteem. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 19:39, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
Hmm -- so much for the "recognize the error of judgement" part... Nomoskedasticity (talk) 22:55, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

Nomination of Jill Kenton for deletion[edit]

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Please Include the Edits that happened to Ranina Reddy s page. I have explained the Reasons. Thanks .... Vithurgod (talk) 10:17, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

Please don't refer to me as darling - please use my username[edit]

Please don't refer to me as darling - diff - please use my username - I have repeatedly asked you in good faith to back off and offered a interaction ban between us - At this point I am collecting evidence of your undue association with me and your long term campaign to demean me - I request you to stay away from me in future unless totally necessary - Youreallycan 20:45, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

Fascinating use of "undue" -- I don't think I quite get it. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 20:47, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

Please refrain from reopening a closed community discussion[edit]

The RfC is a community discussion. The most basic rule governing the discussion was that it had a limited time frame and would close at a certain point. As a community discussion it is up to us, the community to police ourselves. Anthony has every right to enforce the rules of the discussion. You have no right to circumvent them. I have reverted you and expect you to stop. Thanks.Griswaldo (talk) 10:58, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

Fuck off, Griswaldo. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 11:10, 21 April 2012 (UTC)


I noticed that you have deleted my edited section. As you may have seen, what I wrote came from the league tables and are surely acceptable as resources/references? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kjmc28 (talkcontribs) 16:03, 28 April 2012 (UTC)

Too much commentary ("best", "most improved", etc.). Get to know WP:OR. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 16:24, 28 April 2012 (UTC)

Okay. I will amend the so-called "commentaries". Thank you for the reminder. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kjmc28 (talkcontribs) 16:31, 28 April 2012 (UTC)

Stepped on you there[edit]

with the ew template. Sorry! The Interior (Talk) 20:06, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

No worries. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 20:07, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the notification[edit]

Yes, I was aware of 3RR, but thank you anyway for the notification. I'd suppose you're aware that there's a limited 3RR exemption for BLP violations. Colton Cosmic (talk) 11:40, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

There's no way you're going to make the BLP exemption argument work on that one. You could take your chances, I suppose -- but if you keep reverting I'll take it to 3RRN. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 11:43, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

G Osbourne[edit]

Please don't replace the user Iloveandrea's version of the biography it is more or less attacking - have a read of his version and you will see, ... content like - Osborne suffered ridicule for his Budget 2012 pasty tax.[43] - NPOV? If there are additions of any value between his contributions I will try to replace them or you can also help - the user previously edited the article to a similar opinionated position but I defended it then but the user returned to it and I missed the alterations. Youreallycan 19:35, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

There's no way I'm going to support reverting >4 months of editing by 17 different editors. I'm not endorsing that editor's version -- but I don't think yours can be endorsed either. Oh, and you're beyond 3RR on that article already. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 22:14, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

Save me from these people[edit]

I have a rather intellectually limited, but very eager, bunch of people on my case. I need to adjust tone in some of my stuff, but they are just cutting out entire sections of stuff by sticking up a POV tag (as if that self-evidently justifies their every action). Can you keep an eye on Project Merlin, George Osborne, and Mervyn King? I can't even get cites from the Financial Times past this lot, it's just ridiculous. ~ Iloveandrea (talk) 21:52, 5 May 2012 (UTC)


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Tertoger now blocked indefinitely -- a bit of WP:BOOMERANG. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 08:19, 6 May 2012 (UTC)


Hi Nomas! I noticed that imagebot removed one of the photo which was File:Goulston street law building.jpg. I left a note on its page when it was put for deletion that I got that from our department's official facebook page. I have the permission of the copyright holder of the photo who took it as he was a personal friend of mine. Would it be possible to revert that photo back? Thank you, as always. --Kjmc28 (talk) 17:21, 12 May 2012 (UTC)

With apologies -- I know very little about policy and how-to on photos here. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 17:54, 12 May 2012 (UTC)

Another following revert[edit]

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diff - reverting a dispute that I am involved in that you have no prior contribution to - another one for my list - you are repeatedly doing this - can you please just avoid doing such, if there is an issue there are plenty of uninvolved users that will jump in without you a user that has been in dispute with me for over two years now and that I have repeatedly asked for a voluntary interaction ban - please stop - your repeatedly jumping in to revert my contributions leaves me with a feeling of stalking and harassment - Youreallycan 19:44, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

  • - Do you agree that you have been in dispute with me for over two years? Do you dispute that you are following my edit history and reverting me at many locations, often when you had no prior involvement in the discussion or issue? - Youreallycan 19:46, 7 May 2012 (UTC)
Oh FFS -- just look at the edit summary. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 19:51, 7 May 2012 (UTC)
FFS , is not discussion - Can you answer this question please - Do you agree that you have been in dispute with me for over two years? Do you dispute that you are following my edit history and reverting me at many locations, often when you had no prior involvement in the discussion or issue? - Youreallycan
Let's try again. Look at the edit summary. The fact that you're wrong on this one is a hint that you're wrong in your more general assertion. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 20:09, 7 May 2012 (UTC)
Can you please answer my question - Do you agree that you have been in dispute with me for over two years? Do you dispute that you are following my edit history and reverting me at many locations, often when you had no prior involvement in the discussion or issue? If you continue to refuse to answer this question I am unable to attempt dispute resolution with you. - Youreallycan 20:12, 7 May 2012 (UTC)
I answered it. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 20:13, 7 May 2012 (UTC)
I think its pretty clear from an uninvolved arbitrary position that you have not answered my question and that I tried to discuss my issues with you and the attempt failed - Youreallycan 20:19, 7 May 2012 (UTC)
"Uninvolved"??! Nomoskedasticity (talk) 20:20, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

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Though you may delete this too, Youreallycan responded to your "Uninvolved?!!" comment above before you deleted it and sealed it off like that's all there was. Colton Cosmic (talk) 01:30, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

No, he added it after I had closed the thread -- not that it has anything to do with you (oh, I get it -- you're upset about being warned after all for edit-warring). Nomoskedasticity (talk) 05:54, 8 May 2012 (UTC)
That's as much a warning as those "undoubted" reverts you went on about were "undoubted." Colton Cosmic (talk) 11:15, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

Your continued focus on me - don't you get it?[edit]

You have commented again in a personal way about me at the BLPN - diff - don't you get it that I am feeling harassed and bullied by your patterns in regards to me? I am unable to contribute or to enjoy my volunteering here - please stop it, just take me off your watchlist or say to yourself, hey he's getting upset I will leave him alone, and allow others to comment about me if needed. Youreallycan 13:54, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

If I were following your contribs, you might have a reason to complain. But I'm not, and you don't. I'm commenting on central noticeboards and on articles discussed there. This is normal. It seems to me that you want a free pass -- if someone doesn't agree with you, you want them not to say anything. That's a recipe for disappointment here, seems to me. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 16:13, 8 May 2012 (UTC)
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User talk:AndyTheGrump[edit]

I notice your three recent edits there. What would you say you were trying to achieve there? --John (talk) 16:51, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

I see two* in my top 500 contribs; the first suggests (via a question to you) that he has already crossed a line (any thoughts?), the second corrects a misimpression held by another editor. (*Did you perhaps notice that my edits were twice deleted by a different editor? It ought to have been sufficient for me to add them only once.) Nomoskedasticity (talk) 17:01, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
Yes, I see four, your two comments and then two restorations of them when others had removed them. Clearly if I thought Andy had crossed a line I would have said so or just blocked him, so what was the point of asking me, on his talk page, a question to which the answer was so obvious? What, again, were you trying to achieve? --John (talk) 17:08, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
Trying to suggest a reconsideration, i.e., when someone gets to "moronic little turd" (or whatever it was) they've already crossed the line. I'm amazed that others think this isn't so. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 17:11, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
Well, the next time you are amazed by one of my communications I would be grateful if you could communicate this to me directly rather than on the user talk page of someone who is clearly already upset. I would also appreciate it if you could refrain from edit-warring; if someone removes comments like the ones you made, please just leave them removed or take it up with the remover. Comments like the ones you made could look like inflammatory ones. Thanks for your understanding. --John (talk) 18:51, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
I did take it up with the remover, who per WP:TPO was clearly in the wrong. Edit-warring is not a relevant description for my own actions there, though perhaps a word with Arcandam is in order on that score. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 19:01, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
I may well speak to Arcandam, but at the moment I am speaking to you. Your first and second restorations of your comments when they had been removed by Arcandam constitute edit-warring on your part. You misunderstand WP:TPO; it specifically allows the removal of material of the type you added then twice restored. Please do not do this again. --John (talk) 19:17, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
If that's the way you perceive it, then I'll expect you not to mind if I remove Andy's personal attacks. I also reject your conclusion that my posts were inappropriate -- particularly after I've explained their nature in response to your questions above. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 19:20, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
I would suggest you and Andy avoid each other as this interaction hasn't been very fruitful. If I see you repeating this sort of behaviour at any location (baiting then edit-warring to restore the comments) you can expect to be blocked. You would then be free to appeal using the unblock procedure. I would really hope that this wouldn't become necessary. All the best, --John (talk) 19:35, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
I'm getting the impression you don't like it when people disagree with you. Not a great characteristic in an admin, I figure. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 19:38, 10 May 2012 (UTC)


Re your 'any hope that' question at a certain noticeboard. I was going to reply with something intentionally vague like "The situation will become clear by the end of the day." then decided to quietly speak over here. If you browse a certain contrib history you might see something...relevant. You may wish to discreetly undo the edit where you commented, since by the end of the day things will have progressed. Do hope you follow the slightly cryptic comment. :) -- (talk) 16:03, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

Um -- wtf? On second thought, never mind... Nomoskedasticity (talk) 16:21, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────I guess I was too cryptic. Okay. To answer your question: Yes there are socks. However, the extent of socking is larger and more complicated than it appears. It is not just the obvious ones.

I already opened an SPI case yesterday on two of them—this one, and at the time had suspicions further accounts were involved. Since I don't do unevidenced accusations, I opened with those 2 obvious ducks at the time. After submitting I found definitive evidence on the wider sock farm & sockmaster. It was late by then, so I left a note on the report asking it be held open and not acted upon and that I would add information after some sleep. As I'm sure you can appreciate, sockpuppet investigation reports are closed if clear evidence is not provided, and it can take time to put that together in more complicated cases. I will complete and submit it later today.

The reason I made the suggestion above is because I didn't want to telegraph it too widely, per the guidance at SPI "(Notification is not mandatory, and in some cases may be sub-optimal. Use your best judgement)". By "if you browse a certain contrib history" I meant click through to my contribs so you would see the report, which would answer your question. In retrospect the way I wrote my first comment was not ideal. My apologies. I hope that clears up the confusion. Regards, (talk) 16:50, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

In case it's of interest: I submitted the spi report. I'll get off your page now. Best, -- (talk) 20:51, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
Nicely done. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 18:06, 16 May 2012 (UTC)


Out of a sheer penchant for drivel, I've penned an essay on BLP noteworthiness. I don't know what I expect from having done so. But I thought I'd share it with you because you're a regular BLP contributor, and I value your understanding of current policy and guidelines, as well as you opinion of if and how they might be improved. If you don't have time or interest, no hard feelings. In fact, if you think I'm being wrongheaded, please leave a comment to that effect. All the best. JFHJr () 10:24, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

University Bible Fellowship entry[edit]

Nomo, looks like paulineyoo can't keep her hands off the UBF page and is making unexplained edits again. Might this page be locked again? Bkarcher (talk) 18:25, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

Not by me (I'm not an admin), and not for only that. I've reverted it for now. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 18:27, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
Ok thanks. Pauline is from the Toronto Canada area and appears to be removing Canada-related material for some reason (unless someone is impersonating her). I invited her to talk about it instead of directly removing material.Bkarcher (talk) 18:34, 28 May 2012 (UTC)


Nomoskedasticity, here, you removed pejorative information from a BLP, but here, you restored pejorative information. The Warren text was supported by a major newspaper as the source, while the VanderSloot information seems to be less robustly sourced. Could you please explain the difference in your approaches to those two articles? Cla68 (talk) 22:22, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

What a fascinating question, whatever could you be getting at. However since I doubt you accept the premises that would make it sensible, I'm going to skip the opportunity for this conversation (ta, though). If there's something to be discussed about how to edit an article, the usual venue will do. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 21:08, 29 May 2012 (UTC)


Please self-revert your deletion by redirect. cheers. Collect (talk) 06:41, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

Snide comment on my talk page[edit]

The following comment was placed on my talk page by you: You need to learn about WP:3RR. You're done on Elizabeth Warren for a spell. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 13:52, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

Since I have already been given notice about the 3rr by two other editors. There was no need for the warning. Also, the tone of your comment was snide. Please do not make snide comments. Assume good faith. There is no need for your snide comments. Your snide comments will not stop me from editing the Elizabeth Warren article.--Edmonton7838 (talk) 15:13, 31 May 2012 (UTC)
ah -- yes, my apologies -- there was no need for me to warn you, you already had a warning at an earlier point. Which makes the continued editing, um, puzzling -- as is your declaration of intent to carry on. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 15:16, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

Accidental rollback[edit]

Uh wow sorry -- I have no memory of making that edit and my browser history doesn't even show me viewing that page last night. I must have accidentally clicked on the rollback button from my watchlist and not noticed it. Feel free to look carefully at my past contributions -- I only use rollback in cases of obvious vandalism or large scale blanking without edit summaries. Sorry again, a13ean (talk) 18:48, 3 June 2012 (UTC)

Okay, thanks for your reply. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 18:52, 3 June 2012 (UTC)

Elizabeth Warren and List of writers from peoples indigenous to the Americas[edit]

More than once, you've removed 'Elizabeth Warren' from the article List of writers from peoples indigenous to the Americas[18][19]. You may wish to elaborate on your reasons for removing her, at the newly-opened RfC: Talk:List of writers from peoples indigenous to the Americas#RfC: Warren's claim "factually disproved"?. --→gab 24dot grab← 14:58, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

Nova edit[edit]

Dear Nomoskedasticity

I do not want to be lacking politeness but I will undo your changes but will integrate your criticism of my earlier version today into a new version, which, I hope finds your consent. best wishes user: weber — Preceding unsigned comment added by Franz weber (talkcontribs) 16:01, 6 June 2012 (UTC)


No, we don't do indef blocks for edit warring unless the account has a long history of warring and being blocked for the same (and anyway that would be done only after a discussion at WP:ANI or WP:AN), and a single edit after an edit warring block doesn't by itself warrant even a short block for edit warring. Nyttend (talk) 11:45, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

Hello Nomoskedasticity. This is just to let you know, I have added a note to WP:ANI. My own feeling is that Kitty's behaviour hasn't changed in two years and I don't think short blocks are going to achieve much. Unfortunately her uncooperative behaviour has tended to be successful. In the past, she has got her own way simply by leaving sufficiently long gaps between reverts and waiting for other editors to lose interest. --Lo2u (TC) 12:56, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

Andrew Kemberling[edit]

(I have been around here long enough to know, but I guess I do not. Is a lengthy youtube of his prayer not acceptable? The video is his prayer from start to end with no edits. I admit I felt fairly dumb trying to figure out how to make it sound scholarly.)) Paul, in Saudi (talk) 16:04, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

Have a look at WP:YOUTUBE and WP:BLPPRIMARY. At the very least, you'll need to provide a link to the video in question, so that it can be evaluated. It is very likely a primary source, and so even though youtube videos are sometimes acceptable it is likely not a suitable source on its own in this instance. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 16:08, 9 June 2012 (UTC)
My Saudi internet is going up and down like C S Lewis' dolphin. I deeply appreciate your help and will give this my full focus in about 12 hours when I am my office. I appreciate any guidance you might have. I realize we must be very careful with BLPs. Paul, in Saudi (talk) 16:25, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

BLP Barnstar[edit]

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Edits to Michael Roach page[edit]

Thanks for the note. The reason I made the change that you reverted is that I had deleted the text for which that reference was added. The reference is still used elsewhere in the article, but is no longer relevant to the particular sentence from which I deleted it. I would appreciate it if you would reconsider your revert. It's not a big deal to me, and I don't intend to pursue it further if you disagree, but I hope my edit makes more sense to you now that I've explained it. I would indeed prefer to avoid editing this article entirely, but it seems that edits to it are almost never from NPOV, so I do my best to make my edits neutral, and ask for help when I am not sure what to do, as you might have seen a month ago when the Ian Thorson story broke, on the BLP web page, after a particularly egregious bit of coatracking. Abhayakara (talk) 19:08, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

My edits (the ones you reverted) were not coatracking. I intend to be rigorous about the COI issue. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 20:22, 9 June 2012 (UTC)
I didn't say your edits were coatracking; the coatracking occurred, as I said, about a month ago when the story about Ian broke. I was referring specifically to the change I made that you reverted. The reference no longer makes sense there, because there's no text sourced there from that reference. The same reference is used elsewhere in the article, so removing the obsolete duplicate reference does not prevent anyone from seeing the reference. As to your intention of rigor about COI, I'm not sure what to say. Are you proposing that my edits are not NPOV? If so, specifics would be helpful. Simply pointing out the potential for COI here is unnecessary—I have been completely above the board about being a student of Geshe Michael, and have specifically asked in cases where I couldn't be certain an edit I thought was necessary was NPOV. Abhayakara (talk) 03:30, 10 June 2012 (UTC)
Of course there is text that is sourced from that reference. But I've made it more accurate. I'm pleased that you agree my edits weren't coatracking, but them I'm puzzled as to why you deleted them. I will wait to see the opinions of other editors before re-adding that sentence. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 06:20, 10 June 2012 (UTC)
My apologies—I hadn't noticed that the text that was recently re-added about Ian Thorson's death was done by you. That was coatracking, so I misspoke. I was more focused on your revert of the cleanup I had just done. Abhayakara (talk) 04:52, 11 June 2012 (UTC)
You need to take a closer look at WP:COATRACK. What you're missing is right in the first paragraph. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 06:58, 11 June 2012 (UTC)
I'm not seeing it. Care to elucidate? Abhayakara (talk) 20:07, 11 June 2012 (UTC)
'The nominal subject is used as an empty coat-rack, which ends up being mostly obscured by the "coats".' A brief passage about Thorson does not obscure anything about Roach. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 20:22, 11 June 2012 (UTC)
IOW, any statement about anyone in an article about another person, which statement serves to imply something about the subject of the article, which implication is not substantiated by the source, is okay as long as it isn't the entire article. It's hard to believe that that's what that sentence means. Abhayakara (talk) 16:15, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

Since you rightly point out that we ought not to talk about this on the Geshe Michael talk page, I will mention it here instead. Your work on stopping edit warring and POV pushing is appreciated, and your thoughtful consideration of research I've done is as well. However, the reason I say that you have a clear POV is that your edits seem to reflect this. You seem to strongly favor text that rejects the subject's view of what he or she is doing in favor of the outsider's view.

So for instance your first edit to the Geshe Michael page was to get rid of the Spiritual Partner head and replace it with a Marriage head. Geshe Michael describes his relationship with Christie as a spiritual partnership, and the two of them taught spiritual partnership classes for many years. The focus of these classes was on how people could find partners or keep their partners by treating others well—for instance, going to visit lonely old people in nursing homes to create the karma to not be lonely. So this is a really major theme in his life and his teaching.

Another theme is honoring his Christian heritage, which he thinks doesn't conflict with his Buddhist practice. Many of the spiritual partnership talks occurred in churches, and he's worked with a number of Catholic and Episcopalian priests to bring a clear understanding of emptiness and karma to Christian teachings. As you can see in the picture of Geshe Michael and Christie in front of the yurt at Diamond Mountain in the earlier NY Times article, he wore a wedding ring. So Geshe Michael's position on the marriage is quite clear: it was a spiritual partnership. Calling it a marriage, even though they were married, obscures a key focus of his teaching, which is that every marriage can be a spiritual partnership.

You added back the text about going to clubs in New York, which had been removed as a result of a BLPN consultation a year ago. You then updated the text to inappropriately tie the divorce to the clubbing text, which seems to me to read very negatively. You made quite a few edits following this one that seemed to have a similar POV.

I do appreciate that you are trying to be neutral, and to follow wikipedia policy, and that you do respond to criticism. But I also see a strong POV in the edits that you have made that weren't in response to my research, and I wish you would reflect on this a bit rather than simply defending your honor. Abhayakara (talk) 13:32, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

Roger Pearson[edit]

There's some weird editing going on at Roger Pearson. I am thinking a protection would be in order.·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 16:47, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

yep -- I agree, very strange, and it will need semi-protection if it continues. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 17:03, 15 June 2012 (UTC)


I mentioned you at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Clarification_and_Amendment#Clarification request: Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Muhammad images. --Anthonyhcole (talk) 07:01, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 07:22, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

Please don't remove talk page comments[edit]

If you feel that strongly, maybe we can ask a non involved admin to help out. Would you agree to that? --Mollskman (talk) 18:39, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

Any response to this, or you would rather edit war and make false accusations? --Mollskman (talk) 20:08, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
You were going to take it to an admin. You didn't. I wonder why not. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 20:09, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
I was going to take it to ANI, but before that drama, I wanted to try to settle it here first, isn't that how it works?. I would still ask if you would be willing to find an uninvolved admin to intervene and help us solve this disagreement without going to ANI.--Mollskman (talk) 21:39, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
The way to solve it is to adhere to the policy of not commenting on contributors. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 05:51, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

Jerry Sandusky[edit]

Hi, just letting you know that I've attempted to explain my Jerry Sandusky edit here. It's a bit rambling, I suppose, but I wanted to be fairly thorough. Best wishes, Cosmic Latte (talk) 00:28, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

edits to a biography[edit]

Thank you for reaching out to me. I am a new editor to Wikipedia and not likely to be a regular editor at all. I only stumbled into it yesterday when I was accessing the biography about Comstock for professional reasons. When I first went to the page it included robust information about her background that I found helpful. Then, when I went back to print it out that content was gone. I clicked around and read the "history" and couldn't really follow it all, but felt that some of what was being taken out or changed should be added back, as the arguments people were making seemed not to reflect what I know about how universities work. Also, I wanted to have the other information re-instated but I have no idea how to do that. I also have been printing out information on other senior academic leaders (again for professional reasons) but I didn't find any content changes or reasons to check history or try to do edits. I would like to have the information that I saw on Comstock's page when I first went to it. Can it be put back into the biography? Could you please respond to my talk page, as I am not sure I can find yours again. Hope that is not too much to ask. Midwest456 (talk) 16:22, 4 July 2012 (UTC)



Everybody wants to escalate the conflict, and nobody wants to try to find a compromise and improve the article. Why are you taking sides and escalating the conflict?TeeTylerToe (talk) 16:22, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

Michael Roach[edit]

I've commented at the conflict of interest noticeboard regarding the issues with the Michael Roach page. I appreciate your voice in the matter. Vritti (talk) 14:04, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

Yes, thank you -- that sort of response is exactly what I would expect most editors here to provide, and it's a puzzle that some have been taking a different view. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 14:42, 12 July 2012


Hi Nomoskedasticity,

There is a ton of superfluous language in the Solicitation of Prostitution section that needs to be cleaned up--many other editors have suggested this. So yes, I forgot to add commentary here.

However, RE; the science information, you don't get to unilaterly delete this. This is relevant information and I put in sources to back it up from the Wall Street Journal, The Boston Globe and others. So you are not reverting what was there before.

I am going revert. Or at least, put the science stuff back in there.

If you have an issue with the substance, then address it on the article Talk Page as I am doing now. See article Talk Page, where I will post this.

I will file a formal complaint if this continues.

Thank you, Turvill (talk) 16:46, 13 July 2012 (UTC)



He is not getting it at this point. And he saw the need to start a third thread on BLPN (I've since merged it into the original) about these edits, and named me as the problem editor, despite the fact that someone else put the word there in the first place.—Ryulong (竜龙) 20:03, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

I've suggested that he might not want to exceed 3 reverts on this article. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 20:04, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
He's still insistent that I am to blame here, despite Manaus being the original editor who added that content. This is getting ridiculous.—Ryulong (竜龙) 20:12, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
Didn't youreallycan tell you not to post on his talk page Nomoskedasticity? --KeithJTasca15 (talk) 22:38, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
See Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/RJR3333 JoeSperrazza (talk) 00:32, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

Good Article Reassessment[edit]

I have commenced a reassessment of Pink slime at the GAR page here. I have flagged this also at the FAC page. Regards, hamiltonstone (talk) 12:59, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

Pink slime article[edit]

When I was copy-editing the overview section of the article, there was an edit conflict, and I may have inadvertently restored information that you omitted per your most recent edit to the article. Just a heads up. I apologize if this occurred. Sincerely: Northamerica1000(talk) 22:00, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

Referral to NPOV Noticeboard for review.[edit]

The Rubio spouse description and expansion of information on the immigration matter has been referred to the NPOV Noticeboard for review:

Prof D Meduban (talk) 20:03, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

Mark A. Howland[edit]

National and state/provincial/territorial legislators are deemed inherently notable. (One of my long-term projects is to improve the coverage of U.S. state legislators, especially in my own state of Wisconsin; I've created over a hundred so far, and improved many others; even did a nice little article on the guy who beat me for the Tennessee House in 1974 [with full disclosure of my COI, of course], as well as on the guy who preceded him and the guy who succeeded him.) --Orange Mike | Talk 15:39, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

Okay, fair enough -- especially now that there's been some good work on the article and it's in much better shape. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 16:37, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

Yes, thank you, you're probably right[edit]

I haven't done a strict count on any specific edits I've made to Joe Paterno, and while I don't think I'm technically into 3RR, I think you're right that I should back off for a while on the article. Thank you for advising me. Qworty (talk) 20:18, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

No problem. There's so much traffic right now -- it's impossible to jump in and fix everything one perceives needs fixing. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 20:21, 24 July 2012 (UTC)


I asked for editing advice, you shared freely. Good on ya! HuntClubJoe (talk) 07:55, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

Michael Roach[edit]

Greetings Nomoskedasticity. I understand your deletion of the Dalai Lama interview by Ron Gluckman on BLPSPS grounds .. given the reference I provided. The interview was properly published in Asiaweek as the cover story on May 10, 1996. This is the correct source. Do you want to put it back in the article, discuss or would you prefer I do it? Regards. Vritti (talk) 13:31, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

Ah, if it's published in a proper source, then go ahead and restore it with that source -- though perhaps try addressing Abhayakara's point on the talk page first. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 14:15, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

Removal of Sentence Re: Sandusky's Continued Abuse Until 2011[edit]

You had asked why I removed the sentence in the Joe Paterno article reading "Sandusky continued to sexually abuse children up until his arrest in 2011." The only source I see cited for this statement is the primary source of the grand jury report and there is no a reference in the grand jury report to abuse in 2011, 2010, or even earlier. If there is a source that can be cited I have no objection to it staying in, but unless there is a source I would be inclined to remove it again. Do you have any further views on this?Srj4000 (talk) 18:54, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

ANI Notice[edit]

Hello. There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. ~

Hi Nomo, I reverted your most recent AN/I post as it erased a bunch of text below. Please try it again. Maybe you tried to resolve an edit conflict, I personally just swear and try again when that happens. Regards! Franamax (talk) 22:25, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

Okay -- but I didn't erase anyone's text, all I did was paste my comment again when I got the edit conflict notice... Nomoskedasticity (talk) 22:26, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
Yeah, I wasn't looking over your shoulder (we only have funding for surveillance overflights so far ;) and I can't fully explain it - but in general I think it's not a good idea to try to work through edit conflicts on high-activity pages. It looks OK but there could be changes in completely different areas that you miss. Maybe it's partly related to the way editing is done by "section number" (e.g. &section=6 for me in the address bar right now) normally, but the e/c resolver screen saves the entire page? I dunno, but certainly you did remove a bunch of text, and I'm certain too you didn't intend to do it. I've seen it happen often enough that I always copy my text before saving, and if I get an e/c I bail right out, reopen the page in another window, go to the section all over and edit again. It's a pain, but on the plus side it makes me look like I've been thinking things over carefully. ;) Cheers! Franamax (talk) 22:59, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

Larry Pickering[edit]

Please note that I have not been engaged in an edit war, rather that Bilby(talk) has been reverting referenced, topical additions and changes to the Larry Pickering article.

It is worth acknowledging that Bilby has been engaging in editing behaviour that has been called into question by other members of the community, particularly when the articles involve the Australian Prime Minister Julia Gillard.

All of the claims made in the article on Pickering have been substantiated by reputable sources.

Should you wish to revert the article, I would request that you provide substantial proof regarding any claims that you may with to make against the veracity of any of the sources procvided. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Judas goat (talkcontribs) 12:40, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

The Olive Branch: A Dispute Resolution Newsletter (Issue #1)[edit]

Welcome to the first edition of The Olive Branch. This will be a place to semi-regularly update editors active in dispute resolution (DR) about some of the most important issues, advances, and challenges in the area. You were delivered this update because you are active in DR, but if you would prefer not to receive any future mailing, just add your name to this page.

Steven Zhang's Fellowship Slideshow

In this issue:

  • Background: A brief overview of the DR ecosystem.
  • Research: The most recent DR data
  • Survey results: Highlights from Steven Zhang's April 2012 survey
  • Activity analysis: Where DR happened, broken down by the top DR forums
  • DR Noticeboard comparison: How the newest DR forum has progressed between May and August
  • Discussion update: Checking up on the Wikiquette Assistance close debate
  • Proposal: It's time to close the Geopolitical, ethnic, and religious conflicts noticeboard. Agree or disagree?
Read the entire first edition of The Olive Branch -->

--The Olive Branch 19:20, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/David R. Hawkins (2nd nomination)[edit]

You may be interested in this discussion. I'm notifying you because you participated in the first deletion discussion and/or the deletion review. LadyofShalott 16:35, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

R. J. Ellory at BLP/N[edit]

Hi, just seen you've rightly removed unsourced material from R. J. Ellory. Could you add a note to Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard#R. J. Ellory, say, to document this? Regards, Esowteric+Talk 12:01, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

Jacob / Jakob Aungiers[edit]

Hi, just seen your comments regarding vandalism on the Jacob Aungiers page. Curious as to why Jacob is using Wikipedia to present a CV, rather than accurate information? I believe I've made edits now in a less-biased format - please advise if not. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kellja2001 (talkcontribs) 22:20, 20 September 2012 (UTC)


"Oh, and you're now at 3RR on this article." How do you figure that? GeorgeLouis (talk) 20:39, 6 October 2012 (UTC)

[20], [21], [22]. Did you really not know? Nomoskedasticity (talk) 20:43, 6 October 2012 (UTC)
These are reversions in different sections. Not repeated reversions. GeorgeLouis (talk) 20:49, 6 October 2012 (UTC)
Anyway, I checked the 3rr rules and find you are correct. See you in 24 hours! Yours in Wikidom, GeorgeLouis (talk) 21:04, 6 October 2012 (UTC)
Okay, ta. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 21:14, 6 October 2012 (UTC)

Joyce Banda[edit]

Seeking advice. Should I take the 'numbering' dispute to DRN? GoodDay (talk) 18:55, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

If necessary, sure. But my sense is that the other editor is going to run out of reverts soon. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 19:18, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
True. I suspect he'll likely do as he did in May, wait everyone out for a few weeks, when things quiet down & then revert. This time (however), I'm keeping the article on my watchlist. GoodDay (talk) 19:33, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
Yep. I don't plan on putting it on my own watchlist, but please do let me know if it flares up again. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 19:34, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
Will do. GoodDay (talk) 19:38, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

Talk:Nova Publishers[edit]

Hi. It appears that you are an experienced editor, so I can only assume that it was by accident that you removed my comment from an article talk page. I trust it won't happen again. Best, --BlueMoonlet (t/c) 21:18, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

I have no idea how that happened, and I apologize for it. My only thought is that lately when my watchlist loads it seems to "jump" after it appears to have already finished loading -- so perhaps I clicked on rollback and did something I didn't intend to do. Again, my apologies. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 06:06, 20 October 2012 (UTC)
No worries. Thanks for clarifying. You might check your "My contributions" page to see if you've done anything else you didn't mean to. --BlueMoonlet (t/c) 16:38, 20 October 2012 (UTC)


I have made a complaint/request in Biography of living persons Noticeboard, regarding A.Raja I haven't got any reply after since i posted on 17:57, 24 October 2012 (UTC). I reproduce here for your reference, please read it. A. Raja (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

In biography of A.Raja, the section "2G Spectrum scandal" & "the Box" contains potentially libellous, such material is repeatedly inserted, it violates the BLP policies,

  • It's written in news style; of first-hand news reports on breaking stories; INCLUDED routine news reporting on things; breaking news are emphasized; these sources lead to overdetailed articles that look like a diary.
  • not all verifiable events are suitable for inclusion; Timely news subjects not suitable and therefore "is significantly NOT enough to be included in the biography of a person". Overall the sources and sentences are 'negative in tone', ' they appear to have been created to disparage the subject' & Materials clearly not added in good faith.

Editors The Discoverer & Anbu121 are repetadly inserting the materials, even after mentioning the violation of rules


There is s seperate "2G spectrum section" , but still, the informations inserted are in excess than actual Biography, to Malign the person. Keep an eye on the Editors & Please give protection status to this article.

I request & please you to take immediate action, i am waiting for your reply. Thistorian (talk) 14:31, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

Request for comment[edit]

A discussion has been opened at Wikipedia:No_original_research/Noticeboard#Frank_L._VanderSloot, where all discussion should take place.

The questions are:

  1. Based on the claim of Synthesis, should the original version or the revised version of the LGBT Section be used in the article from henceforth—of course with the ability to edit it as necessary?
  2. Because the original "LGBT issues" Section adversely comments on a Living Person, should that section be immediately replaced with the revised section—of course with the ability to edit it as necessary?
  3. Should the Sources identified as faulty or not germane be eliminated from the list of References?
    GeorgeLouis (talk) 00:34, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

Arbitration request[edit]

You are involved in a recently filed request for arbitration. Please review the request at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests#Youreallycan and, if you wish to do so, enter your statement and any other material you wish to submit to the Arbitration Committee. Additionally, the following resources may be of use—

Thanks, --Rschen7754 04:05, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

YRC edits[edit]

By any chance, did you save a copy of the edits on YRC's user talk page before they got oversighted last night? Please drop me an email if you did. Prioryman (talk) 02:52, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

It would also be very helpful, since you saw the edits in question, if you could describe their nature on AN/I and why you reverted them. It's understandable that some people are frustrated that they can't see the evidence but I think it would help if those who did see them could explain what they saw. Prioryman (talk) 03:01, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

I didn't save a copy, but I've now commented at ANI. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 08:54, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

About Epoka University[edit]

I am deleting or editing the content that you have insisting to add under epoka university as you claim "properly referenced" but your references are not proper.

The content of your references are contradicting with the university facts. And the references are not objective and containing claims which are not provable. It changes depending on the authors point of view.

Thanks for your understanding. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Afersoy (talkcontribs) 10:05, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

You need to discuss on the article talk page (not here), and as the material comes with references you must gain agreement on the talk page prior to removing it. If you continue to delete it in the manner you have been using, you will be blocked (prevented from editing Wikipedia). Nomoskedasticity (talk) 10:08, 30 October 2012 (UTC)


You joined the Category:Wikipedians who are not a Wikipedian, which is being discussed at its entry at Categories nominated for deletion.

You may wish to join the category Category:Wikipedians working towards even enforcement of civility.

Kiefer.Wolfowitz 10:52, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

Arbitration request declined[edit]

A request for arbitration in which you were named as a party has been declined.

For the Arbitration Committee, Lord Roem (talk) 23:13, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

OMICS Publishing Group wiki page editing[edit]

As per my knowledge we should include the history of the group as following

The Group, with the help of Human proteome organization initiated to start Open Access journal in proteomics at 6th Annual HUPO World Congress, South Korea in 2007[1]. Perhaps, started its first open-access journal, the journal of proteomics & bioinformatics in 2008 with the founding editors Srinubabu Gedela, Richard Simpson[2], Richard D.Smith [3], Fuchu He [4], Cathy Wu [5], Helmut Meyer [6] and Kazuyuki Nakamura later Dick Smith was appointed as Editor-in-Chief. [7] The Noble laureate Koichi Tanaka also contributed a paper to the 4th volume inaugural issue of this journal in 2011.

Negatives and positives about the published articles

One of the OMICS Group's journals, the Journal of Earth Science & Climatic Change, published a paper written by Otis D. Williams that theorized a formative connection among Stonehenge and global climate change. This seems to indicate a lack of peer review and the article was later removed by the publisher without a retraction notice being published.[8] In contrast, a paper published in the Journal of Bioterrorism and Biodefense that challenged aspects of the FBI's investigation into the 2001 anthrax attacks, received some media attention.[9][10][11][12]

One/two wiki editors are intentionally deleting the important sources of this article without proper reason. Negative/positive credit should go to the publisher of the journals along with respective journal.

Please discuss how to edit an article on the article talk page, not on a user's talk page. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 18:33, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

Request for comment[edit]

You and six other editors have been active in the discussions at Talk:Frank_L._VanderSloot, with more than ten messages or other mentions of your User Name found there or in the archives. Your attention is called to Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Rhode Island Red.2. A similar notice is being posted at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Biography. Sincerely, GeorgeLouis (talk) 21:30, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

Friendly 3RR warning[edit]

Looks like you've made the same revision twice at As I noted at Talk:Frank_L._VanderSloot#What_gives.3F, nothing has been taken out of this section. It has the same information, just presented with the result at the top, and not at the bottom. What could be wrong with that? GeorgeLouis (talk) 12:00, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

Why on earth would you give me a 3RR warning after two reversions? Why would you do so after making two reversions yourself? Bizarre. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 12:42, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

The convention is to give the warning when an editor has made two reversions and is in danger of making a third. That's why "on earth" I decided to pass on a friendly tip to you. I don't believe the number of reversions I made has any bearing on the number of versions you had made. Not sure why you asked those two questions, but I assume they were asked in the spirit of friendship. Yours, GeorgeLouis (talk) 08:30, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

That's silly. Three reverts is not a violation of 3RR and so there's no "danger" in a third. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 09:06, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

Request for Comment and BLP Talk page[edit]

You made a good faith revert on the VanderSloot Talk page to remove RIR's comment about the RFC/U. The RFC directs unrelated comments to the appropriate Talk page:

All signed comments and talk not related to an endorsement should be directed to Talk:Frank L. VanderSloot#Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Rhode Island Red.2. Discussion should not be added below. Discussion should be posted on the talk page. Threaded replies to another user's vote, endorsement, evidence, response, or comment should be posted to the talk page.

I didn't want to blank RIR's content so I posted it in the proper section of the BLP's Talk page. Would you object to my restoring the section? Andrew (talk) 08:12, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

I can't really even figure out what it means. Perhaps it means something in context on the RfC page. But in its present form it simply looks out of place. What is the message that needs communicating on the talk page? Nomoskedasticity (talk) 09:02, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
Basically it means "If it's not an official statement or an endorsement thereof, save it for the Talk page." I was moving a post by Rhode Island Red but it's not big deal if it isn't restored. I was just trying to follow the RFC's cryptically worded instructions. Andrew (talk) 09:34, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
Okay -- but I still can't figure out what it was meant to do on the VanderSloot talk page... Nomoskedasticity (talk) 10:01, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
It's an odd place, but it was a response to a statement on the RFC, which for some reason are supposed to be on the Talk page. IMO they're still trying to figure out the RFC process. Andrew (talk) 10:08, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
Ah -- I think I know what you're after: The point is, the RfC talk page (not the Vandersloot talk page). Nomoskedasticity (talk) 10:16, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
That would make a lot more sense. I'll assume that the RFC template is written wrong and direct comments to the RFC talk page. Thanks. Andrew (talk) 19:20, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
Yes, I see the problem. I've fixed that link. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 19:58, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
Thank you. Andrew (talk) 20:11, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for notification on WP:3RR[edit]

I would like to thank for notifying me about WP:3RR in the case of editing Chowdhury Tanbir Ahmed Siddiky. I am aware of the provision. I forgot about it at that point and I must say I would have missed it if you were not there to notify. The provision indeed allows me have a rest of 24 hours from thinking about that article :). Thank you again. --M. Tawsif Salam (talk · contrib) 14:29, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

Okay, no worries. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 14:33, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
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Blustery day[edit]

" I think it's not bias in the sources we have to worry about here." C'mon, dude, my second home is San Francisco. Yours in rainbowdom, GeorgeLouis (talk) 16:09, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

Your editing at Caroline Hoxby[edit]

I've raised your recent editing at Caroline Hoxby at the incidents noticeboard. jæs (talk) 23:50, 9 December 2012 (UTC)

That didn't last long. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 07:25, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

Please don't remove IP identification templates[edit]

I've restored the template you removed from User talk: That IP resolves to Stanford, California - it is on school grounds. I suspect you did it in good faith, but you're stretching it by removing the template completely if you disagree with it. Please don't remove it again. Toddst1 (talk) 19:10, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

"Stretching it"? It's not that I "disagreed" with it -- I simply thought it was inaccurate: there are parts of Stanford, California that are not on campus, and geolocate indicates an ISP different from the university. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 19:32, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

Note regarding this edit[edit]

Hi there - I wanted to bring your attention to something about this edit. While the article may not have qualified as a speedy deletion, the revert that you did re-introduced BLP violations into the article. For instance, there is now an unsourced claim that the BLP subject is "Widely disparaged by foreign press as being a con-man". Wikipedia's policy on BLPs, which is consistent with the resolution of the Board of Trustees about BLPs, requires that:

We must get the article right. Be very firm about the use of high-quality sources. All quotations and any material challenged or likely to be challenged must be explicitly attributed to a reliable, published source, which is usually done with an inline citation. Contentious material about living persons (or recently deceased) that is unsourced or poorly sourced—whether the material is negative, positive, neutral, or just questionable—should be removed immediately and without waiting for discussion.

With those things in mind, I urge you to modify the article so as to remove any violations of the BLP policy - by re-introducing them with a simple revert, I'm afraid that you're placing yourself in an awkward situation. I should be clear that this is not a directive from the Foundation or anything of the type (indeed, we have no role in policing of content, and are only involved in this article because of an off-wiki complaint that seeks to trigger the WP:OFFICE process), and you are free to do as you please, consistent with WP policies. I bring this to your attention only because I"m certain that you didn't notice that your actions reintroduced a violation of the policy. Best wishes, Philippe Beaudette, Wikimedia Foundation (talk) 20:58, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

And what is the nature of my "awkward situation"? What sort of consequences might follow from my being in an "awkward situation"? Would someone who deleted the article as a response to the CSD10 nomination (even though it didn't qualify) be in an awkward situation for having done something inconsistent with WP policies? In short: your message might be intended as rather aggressive -- I can't quite tell (in part because of the apparently friendly tone), and if there's something that you are implying but not saying then perhaps you should say it. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 21:19, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
The apparently friendly tone is on purpose, because I genuinely don't intend to be adversarial. I'm not threatening any consequences, because I don't have any to dole out, even if I wanted to. As I said, the Foundation has no role in policing content. I'm telling you because I genuinely believe you to be of good faith, and that you probably didn't realize that there were BLP violations in the article. I honestly don't know what the WP community might do, but I do know that this community takes BLP very seriously, as does the Foundation. There are no direct consequences from the Foundation, we don't have that weapon to wield, and we don't want it. We believe that people of good intent will do the right thing and we'd rather appeal to that intent, which is what I was trying to do. I apologize if you felt in any way pressured or threatened, that wasn't my intent. A plain text reading of the words should demonstrate that I am truly just trying to call your attention to the fact that you may have inadvertently reintroduced BLP violations into the article, to give you the chance to either post it to WP:BLPN or take another action to get it cleaned up, since I know you wouldn't want to do that - because I believe in your good faith. Philippe Beaudette, Wikimedia Foundation (talk) 04:20, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

Christian science[edit]

I Like your "insofar" :) ... Alexbrn (talk) 18:19, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

Thanks! Nomoskedasticity (talk) 11:29, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

Personal attacks[edit]

"These examples are not exhaustive. Insulting or disparaging an editor is a personal attack regardless of the manner in which it is done. When in doubt, comment on the article's content without referring to its contributor at all." GeorgeLouis (talk) 03:36, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

Voluntary WP:Interaction ban request[edit]

I have asked you previously and you have refused - as you still appear to be focusing on my contributions please reconsider and accept my offer? A voluntary WP:Interaction ban would be a good resolution to our long term dispute - I have decided to request arbitration with you if you refuse - If you reject my offer, I am going to collect all your historic and recent diffs in regards to me here User:Youreallycan_/Nomoskedasticity - regards - Youreallycan 22:48, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

I assume this has something to do with my reverting that edit to categories on Miliband? It's unfortunate that you see this as evidence of my being "focused" on you; that article has been on my watchlist for a long time. You seem to find it all upsetting, and I'm sorry for that, but I don't think it constitutes a reason to agree to an interaction ban. I do not consider myself in dispute with you. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 22:50, 18 December 2012 (UTC)
You have been in dispute with me for over two years - do you really want all the diffs and all the raise in disruption that will cause more than an IBan ? Please simply accept the long term dispute and agree voluntary now? Youreallycan 23:02, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

The happiness of this season to you[edit]

Peace dove blue sky.png Winter solstice 2012–2013
. GeorgeLouis (talk) 19:11, 24 December 2012 (UTC)
Thanks -- very kind. Happy holidays to you as well. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 08:36, 25 December 2012 (UTC)

Nomination of Mark Dankof for deletion[edit]

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Mark Dankof is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mark Dankof until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion template from the top of the article. Location (talk) 22:25, 28 December 2012 (UTC)


Am I involved into anything from you? --Hinata talk 21:19, 7 January 2013 (UTC)

You should have a look at the history of articles before embarrassing yourself with a completely off the wall comment. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 21:21, 7 January 2013 (UTC)
Which article? --Hinata talk 21:22, 7 January 2013 (UTC)
Nusbacher. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 21:23, 7 January 2013 (UTC)
Really? It's bad she/he even edited the article in the first place. It's a classic conflict of interest. Anyway, I am highly confused you even replied to me in the first place, it's like out-of-place on someone who I did not even know until today. The subject of the article has to know that editing her or his article is against the rules. Also, I stand by my comments. --Hinata talk 21:28, 7 January 2013 (UTC)
SHE'S NOT EDITING THE BLOODY ARTICLE!! Certainly not in any recent time frame so that she needs to be instructed to "stop immediately". FFS... Nomoskedasticity (talk) 21:31, 7 January 2013 (UTC)
He/she has. Go look up the article history. --Hinata talk 22:00, 7 January 2013 (UTC)
She. She. She removed the name of her spouse -- a perfectly appropriate edit, one that conforms entirely to BLP. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 22:07, 7 January 2013 (UTC)
He/she still violates the article, and I think a deletion should be in order because this article lacks notability. --Hinata talk 22:11, 7 January 2013 (UTC)
Violated?? Interesting choice of word. The only thing that's being "violated" here is Nusbacher's privacy. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 22:14, 7 January 2013 (UTC)
On top of it, it's a non-notable article as well. --Hinata talk 23:01, 7 January 2013 (UTC)


Why did you throw out all of the edits to the EDMC page? All of the edits from today were fact-based, pure updating of company information, and simple cleanup of organization. Making the page current. How is this "Obvious Conflict of Interest?" Maggieluv (talk) 21:41, 7 January 2013 (UTC)

You work for EDMC. You didn't just "update", you deleted stuff that had entirely proper sources -- and it's not hard to imagine why. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 21:43, 7 January 2013 (UTC)

Alexis Bittar[edit]

Sorry, that SPA ive been correcting made changes before you and I reverted to their trash version plus on iPad!.--Nixie9 (talk) 19:04, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

  • i suspect Arbedit is the home account of COI account used from company ip last week--Nixie9 (talk) 19:16, 13 January 2013 (UTC)
Yes, likely. You might want to be mindful of 3RR as well. In my opinion the last edit by ARBedit was not a problematic one and did not need to be reverted. Since you've now exceeded 3RR you might consider self-reverting. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 19:25, 13 January 2013 (UTC)
Sorry about the ham-handed edits, I was on an exercycle, on an iPad. I'd like to consider the edits a single rollback to the pre-vandalized version. I did not mean to wipe your intermediate tag, but the result was hopefully the best achievable option. I will address that tag today. Hopefully a 3RR review would let me slide under the COI/sockpuppet/vandalism exceptions! I appreciate your involvement, the 3 identities of this editor need to hear another voice besides mine. Cheers! --Nixie9 (talk) 19:52, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

Recently deceased are still covered by WP:BLP, read it.[edit]

Please note that articles about the recently deceased are covered under WP:BLP. Please edit Aaron Swartz accordingly. Yworo (talk) 18:33, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

That provision is intended to address sensitivities of relatives. There is no issue of that sort here. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 18:36, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

Vargas Talk Page[edit]

How do I get consensus on one sentence if no one will discuss it? Everyone seems good at reverting and citing Wikipedia rules but I have yet to receive a constructive response. How long should I wait? If it is not on the page, what incentive do they have to respond?Griffy013 (talk) 05:30, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

The thing is, there's no rush. We can discuss it after your block ends. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 05:33, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
There is obviously some is deleted incredibly fast. As for the block, I must be confused. I thought that had to be ruled on here: (talk) 05:37, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
Still confused? Nomoskedasticity (talk) 14:55, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

can you explain why you reverted the removal of his reference as being a Filipino American as opposed to a Filipino? Please provide a citation, as he is not a citizen and his grandparents were naturalized. There's more than enough evidence online, including the citation at the end of the sentence to take away the word American from the sentence. The article isn't correct. Perhaps it can be said, self described Filipino American? You have to include evidence that he's American in some way.... as of now the article is intentionally misleading — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 05:37, 17 February 2013 (UTC)

Sense[edit] <--this is what SENSE is

please go the website and read the name of the institution — Preceding unsigned comment added