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Welcome back :-) Go Phightins! 02:08, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

Thanks Face-smile.svg Northern Antarctica (talk) Previously known as AutomaticStrikeout 02:10, 11 February 2014 (UTC)
And you have stalkers! John from Idegon (talk) 02:31, 11 February 2014 (UTC)
Hmmm, I guess I'll have to behave myself! Northern Antarctica (talk) Previously known as AutomaticStrikeout 02:34, 11 February 2014 (UTC)
Feels a bit icy, your new name, - warm "golden" welcome! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:02, 11 February 2014 (UTC)
It's good to see you turn a new leaf and come back! Face-smile.svg ZappaOMati 05:11, 13 February 2014 (UTC)
Thank you! Northern Antarctica (talk) 16:09, 13 February 2014 (UTC)

Precious again

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Thank you for quality articles and templates on umpires, such as Joe West, for founding an umpires task force, and for acting as a cool and collected umpire yourself, for example in editor retention, - you are an awesome Wikipedian!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:19, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

About a year ago, you were the 377th recipient of my PumpkinSky Prize, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:07, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

Thank you! I'm glad to see you are still giving this out. Northern Antarctica (talk) Previously known as AutomaticStrikeout 14:52, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

I like your username

It makes me think of a world where Antarctica is split into two nations: Northern Antarctica, with its territory split but almost the entire coastline to itself, and Southern Antarctica, which has all its territory contiguous but consists almost entirely of icecap which is cold even by the standards of Antarctica. Soap 05:38, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

That's an interesting way of looking at it. Maybe I'll be a groundbreaker (or an icebreaker) in world geography! Northern Antarctica (talk) 16:10, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

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... for doing all the paperwork on the RFA. You are quick. Good job. Widr (talk) 15:58, 19 February 2014 (UTC)

No problem. I was pleased to discover that entering the data at Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Recent is much, much simpler than it used to be. Northern Antarctica (talk) 16:00, 19 February 2014 (UTC)


Hi, several people from the baseball wikiproject are getting together after Wizardman's sudden retirement to figure out a better way to organize the Wikiproject. One of the ideas we came up with is having our own IRC channel to help each other, as well as new users with collaboration and content. If you need help connecting to IRC join #wikipedia-coffeehouse connect. The IRC channel for Wikiproject Baseball is #wiki-baseball connect. Thanks Secret account 22:59, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

Thank you kindly for the offer, but I'm afraid I'm not planning to use IRC. Northern Antarctica (talk) 03:03, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
Me or User:Go Phightins! can help you out in connecting. IRC isn't as bad as it once were. Secret account 17:03, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
Thanks, but I'd prefer to not join. Northern Antarctica (talk) 17:10, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

I hardly think so

I don't particularly need another arb case. Your very first diff is not a statement by the one you accuse, please correct that. Did you try other means before? - I suggest you sleep over it and withdraw. Perhaps read An Ethics of Dissensus first. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:45, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

Which diff are you referring to? Northern Antarctica (talk) 16:46, 11 March 2014 (UTC)
I misread, I meant the very first one, but on reading again I see that you meant your own. - The rest still applies. If you have a problem with a user, talk to the user, not to arbitration. That's what I'm doing here. Others will tell you the same more publicly. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:54, 11 March 2014 (UTC)
I've already tried talking to the user. All he does is insult and shout at me. I'm tired of it. Northern Antarctica (talk) 17:13, 11 March 2014 (UTC)
I am surprised, because what I noticed was keen observation, - actually I would use the same diffs you brought up. If Kevin had read a bit more before he acted, a lot of insulting, shouting and sorrow could have been avoided. The rest still applies, especially the recommendation to follow the link above to a good discussion. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:23, 11 March 2014 (UTC)
I'm not exactly sure how to interpret that. All I can say is that I've been viciously attacked and no one seems to be bothered by that. I wonder if some of the other editors weighing in at the ArbCom thread would enjoy having someone mock and ridicule them and refuse to speak to them with any level of decency. Northern Antarctica (talk) 17:26, 11 March 2014 (UTC)
Interpret, - we interpret too much. You gave this this diff claiming "Attacking Kevin Gorman's intelligence", but what I saw was what the edit summary said "Read WP:ADMINACCT and learn to read and write (WP:Competence is required)". If Kevin had acted on that good advice, see above ... - Competence is required. Please read the linked discussion, about Kevin's article that I nominated for DYK, about a female philosopher (appeared on IWD) which says in the lead "a major interest in engaging with other scholars on their own terms", - it helps, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:46, 11 March 2014 (UTC)
Maybe it's just me, but it seems that when a remark such as "learn to read and write" is made, it diminishes the credibility and respectability of whoever wrote it and it renders the rest of the post moot. Northern Antarctica (talk) 17:51, 11 March 2014 (UTC)
How would you word it if someone has not done required reading? - If "learn to read and write" was applied to me, I would think about where it was missing. (I admit that - as you know - English is not my first language, and that I may miss something behind the obvious.) In this case the precise passages were even given, leaving no doubt where to better start reading. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:00, 11 March 2014 (UTC)
Telling someone to "learn to read and write" is extremely insulting. Ihardlythinkso could have expressed it in a much less demeaning manner: "Please read these passages...." Ultimately, you can't force someone to read something, but belittling them is a terrible way to get them to listen. Northern Antarctica (talk) 19:03, 11 March 2014 (UTC)
"learn to read and write" seems quite simple and factual, only interpretation makes it "extremely insulting" and "belittling". Please read the very first passage above, follow the link, and interpret An Ethics of Dissensus, - my key lesson was "engage ... on their terms". I agree, I can't force you to read that, nor would I want to use force, but I would like you to read it. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:04, 11 March 2014 (UTC)
No, I was referring to Ihardlythinkso being unable to force Kevin Gorman to read anything (sorry if that was unclear). To me, the statement "learn to read and write" means that the person being addressed is unable to read and write. In this case, such a claim is obviously not factual at all because Kevin Gorman is very plainly able to both read and write. Northern Antarctica (talk) 20:32, 11 March 2014 (UTC)
See, to me (my terms) "learn to read and write" does not imply "unable", only lack of competence in these capabilities and potential improvement. I don't discuss Kevin's abilities, I talk to him. I see that he could write "It'll certainly be a bit less of a stubbish article by then" easily, but certainly didn't do it. - However, he is not the topic here, it's if I can get you to check your premises, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:45, 11 March 2014 (UTC)
I'm not sure what premises you want me to check. Northern Antarctica (talk) 21:31, 11 March 2014 (UTC)
  • Re this: I know, it's not just the Kaldari case; I saw the hullabaloo in that RfA as well, but I didn't want to be exhaustive. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 19:00, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

Well, I guess that's it

Over the past day or two, I've been attacked on several occasions by more than one user. It's been a very frustrating experience and it's left me realizing that ever coming back here was a big mistake. The clincher is having someone who I thought was my friend publicly write a scathing review of my conduct, without bothering to give me any advance warning (really? You couldn't have at least tried to express your concerns to me first instead of turning on me like that?). Right now, I'm very hurt and, I think, very unwelcome here. If there's no reason for me to stay, I won't. Northern Antarctica (talk) 00:40, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

Well, I could have said something to you more explicitly, however in the past, I have, on numerous occasions, subtly hinted that perhaps you would be better served not to engage in talk page drama, and instead focus on less-controversial, more-enjoyable aspects of Wikipedia such as article work. The AutomaticStrikeout I once new focused predominantly on gnomish improvements to baseball articles and had a blast doing it, and when there were things that caused stress, defused with humor rather than needlessly escalated. That ASO willingly collaborated, and we had fun working on articles like Joe West. I want that ASO back; he is more than welcome here. Right now, all I have seen from you is participate in a bunch of drama at ANI that helps no one, and frankly inhibits overall growth of the encyclopedia. I apologize if my remarks were overly blunt, but subtle has not worked, so I saw no other option. Best regards, Go Phightins! 01:38, 12 March 2014 (UTC)
Quite frankly, I want the old ASO back too. I'm sick and tired of being involved in the drama, but I seem incapable of avoiding it. Maybe I overreacted a tad to your comment, but I was blindsided by it and had already dealt with numerous, vicious attacks (which nobody seems to care about). If the old ASO is really wanted, I can try to bring him back, but don't get your hopes up. Northern Antarctica (talk) 02:34, 12 March 2014 (UTC)
There has been advice offered to you on this talk page; unfortunately, your actions largely don't seem to have taken it into account, including you once again publicly declaring your intent to depart. If you are serious about trying to influence the community, you must become more self-aware of how your words and actions are perceived by others, and how that perception affects their receptiveness. Is it unfair that you must play nice when others do not? Of course, but that's the nature of collaboration: you can only be effective when you get along with the other contributors. To repeat a previous suggestion I made, I think you'd be happier (for the time being) working on a specific task that you can complete on your own, rather than trying to get others to act upon something. Maybe you'd like to do something for the upcoming WikiProject Baseball newsletter: you could write something about the umpire task force, write some blurbs on articles that can be highlighted, generate some interesting stats on contributions to baseball articles, or anything else you think may be of interest. isaacl (talk) 02:00, 12 March 2014 (UTC)
Article writing is the best therapy. Take it easy. Drmies (talk) 02:44, 12 March 2014 (UTC)
I'd like the old ASO to return, the one that isn't afraid to raise interest in various topics without having it escalate into drama. I'm sorry if this sounds a little hurtful, but the user I remember was one who offered me a shot at RFA and had never eaten a cheesesteak, not this one that throws himself almost recklessly into trivial drama. If you could return to the good ol' days, working with a smile on your face, we will gladly re-welcome you with open arms. ZappaOMati 02:46, 12 March 2014 (UTC)
I (vaguely) remember that cheesteak discussion! Don't think I've had one since then. Northern Antarctica (talk) 22:00, 12 March 2014 (UTC)
(edit conflict) For the record, I endorse everything that's been said so far, especially Drmies' remark, which, unsurprisingly, succinctly hits the nail on the head. Go Phightins! 02:48, 12 March 2014 (UTC)
And a purely practical suggestion: Take a few days off; instead of logging in on those days, pick a spring training game, watch it, find a player you like, and chances are, their article is a stub ... go for the 5x expansion, and ping me for a DYK review. That's the fun of article work. Let me know if you need source help for expansion - I have a few tricks up my sleeve for baseball bios these days. Go Phightins! 02:59, 12 March 2014 (UTC)
Exactly. WikiProject Baseball is undergoing major redevelopment stages and you could be a major boost to it. I currently have Papelbon not too far from being close to GA standards (still need 2013 season stuff and to expand some earlier seasons) and then I have a list (300 career stolen bases) as a FLC right now. You're work with the umpire task force was a big improvement to the encyclopedia and that is how I view you: as that guy who made a new task force that is successful. I don't want you to continue to fall wrath to the drama and the drama-mongers. The content needs you more than the drama. Please come back. Sportsguy17 (TC) 03:04, 12 March 2014 (UTC)
@Go Phightins!: I'll keep the DYK review offer in mind, although that's not my favorite process. I'm not as talented at content work as many of you are, but I might enjoy some umpire article work. @Sportsguy17:, I like your signature! Northern Antarctica (talk) 22:00, 12 March 2014 (UTC)
Yeah, DYK is fairly easy to do if you know the ropes and get a good reviewer. Personally, depending on what area of articles you work on, you could try for some GA's. Joe West was a pretty good article to read. Trust me, we need are good old 'gnome back in the realm of baseball umpires. With my signature, I have no idea who I got the idea from Face-wink.svg, but seriously, I liked the colors, so I "borrowed" it. Sportsguy17 (TC) 03:16, 13 March 2014 (UTC)
I've bounced around from place to place on Wikipedia, from proposed deletions to mediation to COI to SPI to ANI to... Probably other things that end in "I"... But anyway, I've been fortunate that I've done so because something else looked interesting, not because I felt driven away from what I was doing before. I can't say I empathize with your situation, but I can sympathize. And I can say that getting into a new area of Wikipedia can feel like getting onto a new project altogether. Everything has its own unique processes, and culture, and challenges. I strongly endorse trying something new if what you're doing isn't working out for you. DYK might be a great fit for you, but maybe not. I will say that as someone who still does a lot of PROD deletion/contesting, one neglected part of the encyclopedia is in sports biographies, where your interests and knowledge may help a lot. Sportsguy17 and Go Phigtins! above have some really good ideas. I think it would be a shame for you to leave Wikipedia altogether. -- Atama 21:19, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────ASO, I find when the drama gets irritating, I just walk away from it. Drop it like its hot. Stop responding and stop listening to whatever the drama is. I have walked away from disputes right in the middle of them when the attitudes got too weird for me. All in all, if it matters, someone else will take up the fight. if not, so what? Keep smilin, take a break, do something different. There are millions of square miles in Wikiland. John from Idegon (talk) 22:35, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

I do would like to see the old ASO back. The ASO that worked with me in the CVUA. The ASO who used to dedicate his time on baseball articles. I understand what you feel because it happened to me too, but I found a way to avoid drama by working on articles about indie games (for example). By now, and apart from ArbCom, I've spent more than a year drama-free, and my time on wiki has been more than a pleasant experience. I discount the week I spent at RfA from that, though ;) → Call me Hahc21 21:23, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

Hello NA/ASO, we have not "sparred" on anything but may I just make a comment as a user who also edited under another account. I made a WP:Clean start in accordance with project policies. The difference however is that my user page merely acknowledges the "fresh start" but does not specifically identify the previous account name. (The old account has not been used since the Retired banner went up.) I wanted to edit again without an Inspector Javert hounding me. Since you have identified your previous account I don't really see the point in starting a new one or taking a new name. People know it's ASO because you've told them so. You might find it helpful to take a break and evaluate what about the project makes you happy and decide how or if you want to continue. It you cannot keep away there are administrators who will put on a Self Requested Block to enforce a time-out. After that, the "clean start" option might be right for you. Best regards, Blue Riband► 22:08, 23 March 2014 (UTC)
Well, I'd prefer not to go that route if I don't have to. To clarify, I started this new account because I had successfully locked myself out of my old one a few months ago. Still, I feel that I can somewhat relate to your situation and I appreciate that you took the time to share those thoughts here. Northern Antarctica () 02:36, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

Notification of case being declined

Your Arbitration Case Request titled Ihardlythinkso has been declined and closed. If you would like to read the arbitrators' comments you can do so here. For the Arbitration Committee, Rockfang (talk) 02:45, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

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For your work fixing dashes ... now tell me that isn't less stressful than drama Face-smile.svg? In all seriousness, glad to have you back in any capacity, and let me know if you'd like to collaborate on something. Your Wiki-Friend, Go Phightins! 03:00, 19 March 2014 (UTC)
It's definitely a lot less stressful. Thanks for the barnstar! Northern Antarctica (talk) 15:04, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

Have a Beer!

Export hell seidel steiner.png I'm glad to see that you have been back to normal editing :) I've always seen you as an energetic Wikipedian who quickly helps when needed! I can completely understand the issues which previously stressed you and subsequently led to an unfortunate retirement some time ago. Though I hope it's all in the past now and we all can move on to create a better and friendly working environment in the benefit of the encyclopedia. So have a beer, chill out and relax a bit ;) I know that you are a good person who is here to help :) Best wishes. -TheGeneralUser (talk) 20:29, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for the kind words. Since I don't drink, maybe I'll trade it in for a lemonade. Face-wink.svg Northern Antarctica () 22:51, 20 March 2014 (UTC)


Don't drink too much CRAP.gif. Always remember to have a Nice Cup of Tea.jpg. Communicating our feelings and thoughts can be so hard to do on the Net. We all get misunderstood. Especially at the Drama-sites. It seems our antenaes go up and we become intoxicated with the battle. Your eagerness to be active in moving things forward toward resolution is obvious to anyone that listens or has worked with you. You are an important editor with important ideas. TRA! ```Buster Seven Talk 07:04, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the kind words. I agree that it's easy to be misunderstood on the Net. Northern Antarctica () 15:22, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

Merchandise Giveaway

Hey Northern Antarctica, since it seems like some positivity wouldn't hurt right now, I just wanted to stop and thank you for voting towards my free Wikipedia shirt! I really do appreciate it, as well as all of the work you have done for the project in the past! Canadian Paul 20:17, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

You are most certainly welcome! Northern Antarctica () 20:53, 24 March 2014 (UTC)


Done! – Juliancolton | Talk 22:20, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

Thanks! Northern Antarctica () 22:22, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

The Inside Corner : March 30, 2014

What's in the latest edition of WikiProject Baseball's newsletter:

Thank you for your RfA support

Hi there, a bit of a form letter from me, Cyphoidbomb, but I wanted to drop you a line and thank you for your support at my recent RfA. Although I was not successful, I certainly learned quite a bit both about the RfA process and about how the community views my contributions. It was an eye-opener, to say the least. Thank you! Cyphoidbomb (talk) 00:37, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

You're welcome. I'm sorry you couldn't pass. Northern Antarctica () 01:36, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

The Inside Corner : March 30, 2014

What's in the latest edition of WikiProject Baseball's newsletter:

Too late a reply

Hi Northern Antarctica, you're very welcome for the restoration of reviewer rights to your account (noting your use of "thanks"). In addition, now that I know who you are - and while this is incredibly late - I am sorry that I never replied to this message you left me nearly a year ago. If I recall correctly, back then I was still undecided on whether to run for RfB again or not (now no longer an issue, obviously) and I ended up not replying to your note due to me forgetting about it; this was inconsiderate of me and I'm sorry. Again, this is late and might not mean much, but I thought it worthwhile apologizing anyway. Best. Acalamari 21:44, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

I definitely appreciate the apology, although I was not at all upset with you — I had left that note on several other talk pages as well (I don't remember who all I invited to comment before realizing that asking the entire admin corps would be overkill). I'm glad to see that you did eventually file an RfB and belated congratulations on your success! Thanks again for restoring the reviewer permission. Northern Antarctica () 03:26, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

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Great work with the stat/record updates; glad someone does it and presumably enjoys it :-) Go Phightins! 21:50, 8 April 2014 (UTC)
Thank you! Yes, I do enjoy it. Northern Antarctica () 21:54, 8 April 2014 (UTC)
I'd be bored out of my mind, so feel a need to recognize those who do it. Go Phightins! 21:55, 8 April 2014 (UTC)
Yeah, it does seem like you're more of a content writer (and quickly becoming one of the better ones, too). That area is not a strong point for me, but it takes all kinds to build an encyclopedia. Northern Antarctica () 21:57, 8 April 2014 (UTC)
I enjoy writing about players who I watch, and learning more about them in the process. Plus, with the WikiCup going on right now, I have a nice source of DYKs and GAs. You are right - it takes a great team to build an encyclopedia, and I am glad that you are a member :-) Go Phightins! 23:34, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

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Thanks for closing Franklin. Guess I just have to get used to the idea that Wikipedia is progressing towards a newspaper. John from Idegon (talk) 23:07, 10 April 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for the barnstar! Northern Antarctica 23:15, 10 April 2014 (UTC)

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Happy Easter!

Hey Northern Antarctica! Happy Easter! By the way, today, I awarded Bloom6132 his editor of the week award in case you'd like to offer your congratulations. Go Phightins! 15:45, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

April edition of The Inside Corner

Hi, Northern Antarctica: are you still planning to write up some thoughts on your pre-season predictions for the WikiProject Baseball newsletter? Or is there something else you'd like to write about: maybe something related to umpires, or some other aspect of the game? Thanks! isaacl (talk) 01:02, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Tim McClelland

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The Inside Corner : April 27, 2014

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The Inside Corner : May 31, 2014

What's in the latest edition of WikiProject Baseball's newsletter:

Thank you for your participation

Northern Antarctica, I would like to take this moment and thank you for taking part in my RfA that happened a while ago. Although it didn't turn out as I had planned, I certainly appreciated all the comments and suggestions given by you and other people. I will learn from all of them and will hopefully run again someday when I'm fully ready. Thank you. TheGeneralUser (talk) 13:33, 3 June 2014 (UTC)

The Inside Corner : June 27, 2014

What's in the latest edition of WikiProject Baseball's newsletter:

Invitation to WikiProject TAFI

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Hello, Northern Antarctica. You're invited to join WikiProject Today's articles for improvement. Feel free to nominate an article for improvement at the project's Nominated articles page. Also feel free to contribute to !voting for new weekly selections at the project's talk page. If interested in joining, please add your name to the list of members. NorthAmerica1000 17:06, 6 August 2014 (UTC)