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Brown's Island Dam Walk[edit]

Thanks for your help with the Brown's Island Dam Walk article! I appreciate the facts you added. I was thinking of adding a whole section to the article dealing with the history of the structure being used as a dam, along with a description of its operations. Thanks again! Peace, MPS (talk) 22:12, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

You're welcome! I was thinking of adding more information on the dam and old power station but wasn't exactly sure what to do because the article is about a future walkway and not solely a dam. I like the idea of an early history section and operations. I couldn't access some books on Google that had a lot of information but I did find this. You seem to be a Richmond scholar, not sure if you have any more information.--NortyNort (Holla) 00:08, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

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Good work Elyaswriter (talk) 01:14, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
Why thank you!--NortyNort (Holla) 01:30, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

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Bailey's Dam[edit]

I noticed that you added the category 1864 establishments in Louisiana to Bailey's Dam using HotCat. Although remnants of the dam apparently remain to this day, it seems odd to me to include this temporary dam which was intentionally breached soon after its construction in an establishment category. I looked around for some guidance on what might be in an "establishment" category but did not find anything conclusive. I found uses of the term and its Wiktionary definition which connected with the foundation of a company or organization or group. I must say that I did not find anything that necessarily excluded it from use with structures. I did notice there is no "establishment" category for the article about the dam pictured on your user page. It's no big deal but I thought I would raise it for your consideration or comment. Donner60 (talk) 22:09, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

Hello Donner. I know Bailey's Dam is a site and as you said, still somewhat visible today. It is also an NHRP site as well of which many such articles have the category. I tend to be a little bit liberal with categories and assume since it was established in that year, the category should apply. The dam was temporary and hardly exists but as a historic site, I felt the category was due. I don't see it as a big deal either. The 'Establishments' category is also a bit new to me as well. A recent discussion highlighted the fact that most dam articles do not have this particular category. Since then I have been adding it as dam articles appear on my watchlist or I come across them in editing.--NortyNort (Holla) 23:48, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for the explanation. Donner60 (talk) 04:34, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

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Kárahnjúkar Hydropower Plant/Project[edit]

Do you understand the nature of redirects? Kárahnjúkar Hydropower Project redirects to Kárahnjúkar Hydropower Plant. I'm just trying to get rid of this redirect but you can keep the visual text as it is, in this case, Kárahnjúkastífla Dam. Stefán Örvar Sigmundsson (talk) 01:16, 17 October 2014 (UTC)

Since you didn't have an edit summary, I had no idea what the purpose of your edit was. I assumed it was an editor confused with the name.--NortyNort (Holla) 11:54, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

sequence of dams along a river[edit]

hi NortyNort, since you are the dam expert, i've got a question for you, concerning the sequence of dams along a river. ist it

i stumbled across this, because Tributaries of a river, e.g. Columbia River

are only left/right when you run the river from the source downstream. so why are dams listed from the mouth upstream ? --Agentjoerg (talk) 09:27, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

Generally, they are listed from the source on down. I don't think there is a 'standard operating procedure' but I haven't seen it another way... until today. The Columbia River template seems to be mis-ordered. It is right on the list though.--NortyNort (Holla) 11:58, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

ok, sounds good. then I'll change the Template:Rio Grande (Brazil) dams so that the dams will be listed from the source on down. --Agentjoerg (talk) 14:09, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for doing that. Thanks for the compliment, by the way. I wouldn't consider myself 'the expert', but I try.--NortyNort (Holla) 19:57, 20 October 2014 (UTC)

Hydroelectric plant templates[edit]

hi NortyNort, just wanted to let you know, that I'm going to add a few more templates concerning hydroelectric plants to the, that I've already created in the and then 2 more questions:

  • is it ok for you, if I add wikimapia to some hydroelectric plants (under topic: external links). I found it quite useful, when I created articles about hydro plants, especially if there are no pictures available, then one can have a look at the powerplant using wikimapia.
  • the sequence of hydro plants along a river should always be from source to mouth: so whenever I come across a wrong sequence, like this one I'll change it.

cheers — Preceding unsigned comment added by Agentjoerg (talkcontribs) 11:30, 28 October 2014 (UTC)

Agentjoerg, thanks for adding more templates. As far as Wikimapia, and other mapping tools, users can usually get a look at a place or thing by clicking the coordinates on the top-right of the article which brings them to this similar template. From there they can click on Bing, Wikimapia and Google, etc. I know has a similar template. And, I agree, the Colorado River dams, should be in headwater on down order, like List of dams in the Columbia River watershed. Adding an external link would be repetitive in my opinion. Thanks for your work.--NortyNort (Holla) 00:24, 30 October 2014 (UTC)

Sivens Dam[edit]

Thank you. You have an impressive list of works. Chienlit (talk) 08:57, 30 October 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

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For your work on the List of Chinese dams!! Keep it up! ♦ Dr. Blofeld 15:03, 3 November 2014 (UTC)

My congratulations! Honestly deserved barnstar for your tireless work. Beagel (talk) 20:39, 3 November 2014 (UTC)

Thank you very much. I kinda burned myself out with that one, and had a life event, but look forwarding to doing more work.--NortyNort (Holla) 21:01, 3 November 2014 (UTC)

Jinping-II Dam pictures that weren't[edit]

Thanks for the catch! Since the laboratory the photographer was attending is part of Jinping-II, I assumed the dam pictures were too. (talk) 02:42, 24 November 2014 (UTC)

No problem. Maybe they took a side trip.--NortyNort (Holla) 20:30, 24 November 2014 (UTC)

File:Zangmu Dam NF FU.jpg listed for deletion[edit]

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I just checked if it was complete last week and they commissioned the first generator yesterday. Nice catch. Thanks.--NortyNort (Holla) 20:30, 24 November 2014 (UTC)

Khukhrain Copyright issue[edit]

Please Help Resolve this Copyright issue on page Thanks Mayank.94 (talk) 14:24, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

What website/source do you suspect information was taken from? Looks like there was a problem in the past too.--NortyNort (Holla) 00:49, 2 December 2014 (UTC)

Looks like the information has been taken from website called khukhrains dot com as listed in history they have raised this copyright issue request you take down this page and we'll construct it again without copyright issues. This page represents a community so we have take action asap.Till the time i will look for open source materials for this page. Thanks Mayank.94 (talk) 07:13, 3 December 2014 (UTC)

Alright, I pinged Moonriddengirl who is the admin that originally cleaned the old copyright problem up. It seems the copyrighted material was added in November 2013. They will be able to more quickly assess and remove the information than myself.--NortyNort (Holla) 02:15, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

NortyNort Thanks a lot for helping in this matter. Mayank.94 (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 11:02, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

You're welcome. I will monitor the page in the future, just in case.--NortyNort (Holla) 21:40, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free image File:Zangmu Dam NF FU.jpg[edit]


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Did you look at my talk or the deletion discussion before putting this tag here?--NortyNort (Holla) 15:26, 6 December 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Bhushi Dam[edit]

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Gouina Hydroelectric Plant[edit]

I'm impressed by your new article on the Gouina Hydroelectric Plant. Well done. Aa77zz (talk) 18:00, 3 January 2015 (UTC)

Well, thank you very much.--NortyNort (Holla) 18:49, 3 January 2015 (UTC)

Happy New Year![edit]

Happy New Year as well! I hope it's a good one, see you out editing.--NortyNort (Holla) 23:25, 3 January 2015 (UTC)

Question about talk page header you put on my John Martin Reservoir page[edit]

Hey NortyNort.

On the John Martin Reservoir page I created the other day, I notice you put on a talk page header. I appreciate it. I just have a question. On the project quality scale, you gave it "Start." Let's say I decide to go back and do a bunch edits and really bulk up and improve the article. How does this rating get changed? Does someone have to coincidentally come along, notice it's improved, and change the rating? Or is there a certain group of editors who take care of this. I'm new to editing, and just trying to figure things out. Thanks! Jaywm (talk) 01:49, 6 January 2015 (UTC)

Hey Jay. I've noticed the great work you've done with the Columbia River dams list. As far as article quality, anyone can technically change it up to a "B-Class". When I see or make new articles, I give them a basic quality rating, usually based off criteria like those at WikiProject Dams. If I update or see an article expanded, I change the quality scale. Stubs -> Start are usually uncontroversial and easy to change but other editors can object, particularly as you get higher in quality. Some WikiProjects also rate articles differently. For example, a WikiProject Dams article may be B-Class, but a WikiProject Rivers editor may believe it is a C-Class. Usually, if I grade an article over C-Class, I won't change the any other project's quality rating. Typically, only a Project member changes their quality ratings for articles but with C-Class and below, you are doing them a favor. As you can see, with John Martin Reservoir, I tagged it as 'Start' for WikiProject Lakes and Colorado even though I am not a 'member' of either.
For GA-Class and higher, it is determined by a group of editors. Good Articles are nominated and reviewed by a single editor. A-Class article are determined by Project members. The only Project I know who does A-Class is Military History. It takes a large project with many active members to have that 'review capability'. The hardest quality to received is Featured, they are reviewed to the highest standards. I have had two Featured Articles and it required a lot of work. Well, sorry for the long explanation but I hope it helps.--NortyNort (Holla) 03:08, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for the reply. A lot of good info.
Jaywm (talk) 17:40, 6 January 2015 (UTC)

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Englewood Dam (Colorado)[edit]

Thanks for your work on the Englewood Dam (Colorado) article! I appreciate your help. This was my first crack at an article for Wikipedia.Jav280zx (talk) 02:14, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

You're welcome! It was good for the first one! I noticed a lot of the text in it was from U.S. Army Corps report, the text is in the public domain as US Gov info but in the future, be careful copying text from other sources. If you have any questions, please let me know.--NortyNort (Holla) 03:09, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

Hetch Hetchy[edit]

Hi NortyNort

You took down my post about Hetch Hetchy on the dam removal page last night. I am a bit new to editting wikipedia and even unsure if this is the right way to contact you. Anyhow, I copied text from a website I had written so I did not see it as plagiarism. I am not sure if I was not supposed to copy my own text or should have referenced it in some way. Anyway, I will try again and did not intend to break any rules or important principles about intellectual property. Thanks

-Spreckrhh (talk) 18:39, 15 January 2015 (UTC)Spreck Rosekrans, Restore Hetch Hetchy

Hello, sorry if I bite you. We take copyrights seriously here. If you would like to use the text on Wikipedia, we need permission from the webmaster. You can do this my e-mailing the OTRS team at the proper address here. Once confirmed, the text can be used in the article. There are licensing considerations, it needs to be licensed with the CC BY-SA. This mean anyone can edit or use your text once in the article.
Additionally, your website is geared towards removing the O'Shaughnessy Dam and the text you inserted promotes that cause. Whatever goes into Dam removal needs to be unbiased and neutral. Sentences like "...Hetch Hetchy Reservoir remains as a scar upon Yosemite..." have a biased tone. In the Dam removal article, I added text from the existing O'Shaughnessy Dam article regarding the removal debate. Wikipedia has pretty good coverage on the debate as well. I also removed the link to your website as it is considered advertising. If you have any questions, please let me know.--NortyNort (Holla) 20:48, 15 January 2015 (UTC)


Thanks for the response and I apologize for posting inappropriate stuff on wikipedia. Yes I am biased (though I claim to be less biased than my opponents who have 10,000 times more money than I do). Anyway, wikipedia is a great resource but not a place where I should post my propaganda and I will limit any other editting on wikipedia to facts with a neutral tone.


Spreck Rosekrans — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:BDC9:2790:7DAE:8EF1:E87D:21C3 (talk) 00:04, 16 January 2015 (UTC)

Alright. Well best of luck to you. Thank you for your candor.--NortyNort (Holla) 01:40, 16 January 2015 (UTC)

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DYK for Tuyamuyun Hydro Complex[edit]

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dams on the douro[edit]

hi NortyNort, as you have noticed I've created a few dams on the upper Douro. the 5 portuguiese dams further down the river (Pocinho -> Crestuma-Lever) have a lock and they are, at least from my point of view, more HPP than dam. do you prefer them to be created as e.g. Pocinho Dam or Pocinho Hydroelectric Power Plant.

here you can have a look at what Carrapatelo looks like: cheers Agentjoerg (talk) 06:04, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

  • Generally, it's the common name. Most articles are named as dams unless the most common reference is as an HPP. The pt wiki calls Carrapatelo as a dam so that's my first instinct. I can have more of a look later. We can always rename it to. Thanks for making the articles. If you need the full Infobox dam, it is here.--NortyNort (Holla) 10:52, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

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Smoky Falls Generating Station[edit]

Hi, NortyNort. An user left a request on my talk page concerning the Smoky Falls Generating Station. I looked at this and think that maybe it needs a little bit more information about the dam. I also think that probably Infobox power station should be replaced by infobox dam. Maybe you could take a look? Beagel (talk) 17:04, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for passing along. I agree is could use some more info about the dam. I am under the weather now and will look at it more when I can concentrate better.--NortyNort (Holla) 16:31, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

Yeruham Dam[edit]

Hi, Yes - This was the first time I came across this page ever, since it was linked with all these politics articles about how *I* or people who live near me, purposefully control water to flood areas because we apparently have nothing better to do in our lives. And when I came on, I was NOT happy to see that the page was edited one day ago, as all the news stories were being made up about my town. I thought it was *created* a day ago - I am not a wikipedia user. I am sorry to you for my own mistake. As far as the pictures go (and im not sure if you or another guy asked me for this), but yes - I can take photos of the lake area and its very pretty. The problem now is that its winter - and the place is covered in snow and water and mud. It does not look like its "normal" self at this time in season. But yes, I can take photos better than like the aerial shot on here, if thats what you want. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Amandalee222 (talkcontribs) 06:04, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

Okay that makes sense. No harm no foul. Folks work hard here to ensure balance and objectivity. There aren't many dams in Southern Israel (I think there is just one) and I find Yeruham interesting. I created it last year after hearing the same claims about flooding. I was just curious myself, as a guy who likes dams, and found just this one which happens to be incapable of causing major floods. If you could ever submit spring or summer photos that would be great. Thanks.--NortyNort (Holla) 11:02, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

Punjab river question[edit]

please tell me. A state in India wants water of two rivers that are not flowing through it. Actually punjab is mother state which was seperated into 3 states. Punjab;himachal and haryana two rivers are flowing through punjab and himachal. They begin in himachal and ends in punjab .but does not have a single km area in haryana. Can haryana demand water from punjab?

What rivers are you talking about? Maybe Haryana is claiming a historical right to the rivers based off being part of Indian Punjab in the past. Part of the watershed may be in Haryana too.--NortyNort (Holla) 21:57, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

Kaligandaki A Hydroelectric Power Station[edit]

hi NortyNort, can you have a look at the picture Tailrace of the project, that is used with Kaligandaki A Hydroelectric Power Station. i cannot find this picture anywhere in wikimedia. if you're able to find it, could you add Category:Kali Gandaki A Dam to this picture. thanks --Agentjoerg (talk) 08:21, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

It wasn't on Commons so I transferred it on over as File:Kaligandaki A HPS Tailrace Channel.jpg and added it to the cat. I see your working on the Deutsch article, nice.--NortyNort (Holla) 12:40, 1 March 2015 (UTC)
thanks. the Project Completion Report of ADB has been an interesting source of all kind of info. --Agentjoerg (talk) 07:57, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

DYK for Snoqualmie Falls Hydroelectric Plant[edit]

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Copyright Isuues[edit]

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Hello, if you would like to use the text on Wikipedia in Minako Yoshino, we need permission from the webmaster. You can do this my e-mailing the OTRS team at the proper address here. A message on my talk page will not suffice, sorry. Once confirmed, the text can be used in the article. If you have your text licensed through OTRS, it would have to be altered as it has a promotional and non-neutral tone. For example, "They told her she could make a base from it at best. However Yoshino didn’t listen to them, as she saw the beautiful face in her soul and successfully made it real." is not encyclopedic. I could help you alter the text if you'd like.--NortyNort (Holla) 00:57, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
The IP has plastered this "notice" on many user talk pages. First, the IP should log in to the account they created before authoring the article. Second, I've deleted the article per WP:CSD#G12 and WP:CSD#G11. I doubt the IP will even read this, but I thought I should at least give you a heads up for your very sound advice.--Bbb23 (talk) 01:10, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
  • Hi NortyNort and Bbb23. I got the same message on my talk page. I assume it's from the article's creator editing while logged out. On the off-chance, I've posted some advice for him/her at User talk:Milkyway2012#Minako Yoshino - help with copyright issues. I've checked and I think there's probably enough independent sourcing available for a brief neutral article about her. Do you think I should just create one and pre-empt this whole business? I'd be happy to do it. I honestly don't think that someone with an obvious COI who never recognized the problems with the text's style and tone will be able to edit the article properly. And per our guidelines, shouldn't really be creating or editing the article anyway. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 09:48, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
  • @Voceditenore: Creating an article is entirely up to you. If you believe she belongs in the enyclopedia, by all means go ahead. Of course, inappropriate material may be added to the article afterwards, but if potential disruption and conflicts stopped us from the creation of legitimate articles, we wouldn't have nearly as many, would we? :-) --Bbb23 (talk) 12:26, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
Hi Bbb23. I've done this before, e.g. Tambov State University, when the topic was clearly notable, but the creator either simply couldn't get their head around copyright policy or didn't have the English skills to create an article without copying it from somewhere [1]. Still thinking about Minako Yoshino. I'm going to scrutinize the sources again. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 14:44, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
Thanks. I have ran into similar situations and know the inherent COI risk but like to AGF and try to help with the copyright issue/ The text would need a lot of work to 'transform' but it might invite the editor to contribute. The best route though is probably to create a stub at least as Voceditenore suggested.--NortyNort (Holla) 01:15, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

File:Unknown Dam by Rehman - To be renamed.JPG[edit]

Any idea what this dam is?

Hey Norty! How's it going? Just thought of asking you; do you have any idea of the name of this dam? I took it when flying over Turkey, from Dubai to New York... I kind of know the entire geography of Turkey now, I think, by scouring for this dude... Considering my flight path and speed, it should be within 300km north of Mosul Dam... Rehman 11:00, 21 June 2015 (UTC)

Hmm, don't recognize it off the top of my head. Turkey State Hydraulic Works dams usually have "DSi" on the downstream face. It's definitely not in Iraq or Syria. Either northwest Iran or Turkey, maybe Armenia/Azerbaijan. I am about to travel overseas here soon and can look into this later. I love playing 'find that dam'.--NortyNort (Holla) 02:11, 23 June 2015 (UTC)
Well, it looking recently completed and like a 'regulator' dam helped me refine my search. It is the Seyrantepe Dam and about 370km northwest of Mosul Dam. It is downstream of the Özlüce Dam. That was fun. I believe you're still an admin on Commons, if you can rename the file.--NortyNort (Holla) 21:50, 23 June 2015 (UTC)
Thanks a lot! That's pure skill *thumbs up*. Cheers, Rehman 13:56, 24 June 2015 (UTC)

Hi again! Got something harder for you hahah. This dam is located 02h 32m south from the Rocky Mountains (near the border region, I think). The jet is travelling from Dubai to San Francisco at 972 km/h (604 mph), ground speed. Think you can find it? My Google Earth search zone was the Columbia River, but I think I may be missing something... I'm on an upload spree; getting all my old wiki-worthy pictures online. :) Rehman 00:03, 26 June 2015 (UTC)

Haha. Reminds me of one of those old math problems. I am busy touring Europe now and will certainly take up the challenge when I get home in a week! Hopefully we can keep this game going.-NortyNort (Holla) 15:49, 27 June 2015 (UTC)
Heheh yeah it kinda does :P Take your time please, I shall work on the remaining uploads in the mean time. Have a great trip! :) Rehman 23:47, 28 June 2015 (UTC)
And I am back. So, with this new mystery dam; the Columbia basin is NW of the Rockies and the terrain looks a little lush to be near the border (with Mexico?). Any more clues?--NortyNort (Holla) 20:45, 6 July 2015 (UTC)
Hey, totally being a talk page stalker here. But I'm positive that's the Lookout Point Dam near Eugene, Oregon. Shannon 03:56, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for stalking! I agree. Details on the structure and the lake match.--NortyNort (Holla) 09:56, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
Thanks Shannon1 and NortyNort! Matches well with Google Maps, great work! :) Rehman 11:45, 11 July 2015 (UTC)

Mohale Dam[edit]

Hello, can you please look at Mohale Dam and see if you can improve it? The intention is to promote to GA but needs somebody like you to look at it first.♦ Dr. Blofeld 14:16, 22 September 2015 (UTC)

I will look at it here shortly, the latest being early next week. Life has been too busy lately... The article is much better than the last time I looked at it though.--NortyNort (Holla) 00:14, 23 September 2015 (UTC)

Overcreek Dam[edit]

Hello, while the evacuation following the Overcreek Dam breach may or may not be notable (though for now, I'm leaning toward WP:NOTNEWS), I find your assertion that "dams are inherently notable" to be very interesting. You do seem to know quite a bit about the subject so can you point to policy that affirms your position? --Non-Dropframe talk 12:18, 6 October 2015 (UTC)

There is no set notability but a little common sense applied. I wouldn't find it alright to have an article for this small dam on Wikipedia without it failing. Smaller dams, like Hope Mills Dam, meet GNG because they fail and are the subject of significant coverage. While researching Overcreek Dam, I did notice that several dams in that watershed failed. They are all relatively small and interconnected. I was thinking one article to sum their failures up may suffice. Some related AfDs from the past: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Krasnoklutchevskaya Dam and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Shahid Azimi Dam.--NortyNort (Holla) 12:37, 6 October 2015 (UTC)

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