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Changing the CoM format

Hi. Since you and Folantin proposed some changes to the CoM format for January [1] (with which I agree), perhaps we should start a discission now on the OP before people disappear for the holidays? I'm happy to get the ball rolling, but need to know if you'll be around in the next few days to participate. (I left a similar missive on Folantin's page.) Best, Voceditenore (talk) 09:07, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Folantin will be around for the next 2 weeks, and I won't be really busy until the 19th. Since you'll be busy until after the week-end, I'll start off the discussion on late Sunday or Monday. Still gives several days for other members participate before Xmas intervenes. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 11:07, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Reassessment?

Hello. I am coming to you, an experienced assessor of music articles, with a question: How can I list an article for reassessment? I'm interested in having the article, Robert McFerrin, reassessed. It is listed as a Start-Class by the WikiProject Opera group, and it used to be. Three months ago, however, I added content that expanded the article to more than 14 times its length and inserted 45 footnotes. In the subsequent time it has been visited fairly often and received more than 35 edits. It seems to me time for a reassessment, but I don't know where to find a reassessment list. Can you suggest a next step for me? Thank you in advance.Hammerdrill (talk) 15:59, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

DYK for Romilda Pantaleoni

Updated DYK query On 17 December, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Romilda Pantaleoni, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

BorgQueen (talk) 17:07, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

Ballet Infobox

Thank you for creating the new Ballet Infobox!

I have taken the liberty of preserving the old under the name {{Ballet 2}} for reasons that may surprise you; then again, maybe not.

Your new layout is in every respect superior, but it will raise the hackles of balletophobes, of which there are a great many.

It has been difficult to get opera buffs to accept a Ballet Infobox on pages for their composers.

Even when such composers are no longer performed in the opera house but are played year in and year out at the ballet.

Adolphe Adam is an example (though I hope that we have reached an armistice there.)

The old Infobox runs vertically down the right side of the page and can be tucked into a list of said composer's ballets.

Your new box that uses full screen width to such good effect would set off an armed insurrection on such pages!

So I am going back and replacing a few of the {{Ballet}} templates with {{Ballet 2}} (as few as possible).

Thank you for taking the time to create such a nifty Wiki. gadget! — Robert Greer (talk) 16:53, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Ballet template(s)

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List of vocal ranges

Hello Nrswanson I believe you are fighting a battle after you already won the war :-). I made the reverts as recomended by Uncle G and the title List of vocal ranges was automaticly deleted when the revert took place. So in other words you are asking to delete a title that has already been deleted. I believe that was the point Uncle G was trying to make, but wanted us to find this out on our own for the next time we run accross this situation. Thanks. ShoesssS Talk 13:56, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

Re: Further suggestions for revamping X o M at the Opera Project

Hi, could you give some more input here: Further suggestions for revamping X o M, especially re keeping CoM and which C to choose? I'd like to get this wrapped up as soon as possible. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 07:33, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

DYK for Albert Reiss

Updated DYK query On 23 December, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Albert Reiss, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

BorgQueen (talk) 19:26, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

Merry Christmas

ballet templates (cont.)

May I ask that you e-mail me? When I try to EmailUser/Nrswanson I receive:

No e-mail address

This user has not specified a valid e-mail address, or has chosen not to receive e-mail from other users

You can send me by clicking on: EmailUser/RobertgreerRobert Greer (talk) 03:21, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

P.S. You might look at the recent history of the Bolshoi Theatre and La Scala and Contributions/Whjayg.

Reply to ballet templates (cont.)

Hi Robertgreer. I am afraid that bad experience in the past has caused me to decide not to give out any contact information, including my e-mail. So really the only way to correspond with me is on my talk page here at wikipedia. In regards to User:Whjayg I would suggest talking to him. He's actually a nice editor and goes by the name of Jay. English is not his first language so at times his communication can be choppy or unclear, but usually he expresses himself well. In looking at his edit history I can see where you are coming into conflict. I myself am entirely neutral. I don't think the ballet template is essential for either article but I don't see that its presence is harming anything either. There is certainly a better case for the ballet template at the Bolshoi Theatre as it has a much more close association with ballet than La Scala. If you need someone to arbitrate dispute I will help but I really am entirely neutral about the outcome of the conflict.Nrswanson (talk) 05:29, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

further reply

Your past experiences do not surprise me!

I have taken the liberty of moving this from my talk page back to your's, being that that's where I initiated this.

I hate it when discussions ping pong between two talk pages.

If holding the conversation here is amenable to you, just make a new section on my talk page with whatever title seems fit and paste {{talkback|Nrswanson}} into the edit box.

It will send me here, and I'll archive the talkback template after I've read your latest (I archive everything.)

It was clear that User:Whjayg is not a native speaker and is reassuring to be told that he's a nice guy.

English being his second language may have given me the wrong impression.

I agree with your appraisal of the relative merits of ballet in Moscow and Milan, though fans of Carla Fracci and Alessandra Ferri might differ.

What it finally comes down to is renown, and the Bolshoi Ballet may just be the most famous in the world, thereby overshadowing the equally illustrious Opera. Conversely, La Scala is almost certainly the most famous opera house and casts its long shadow over the every bit as important ballet company. Life is not fair.

What I find odd is that the good burghers at WikiProject Opera don't have anything to match your Ballet Template. They've got a good dozen special purpose templates and more than a hundred for composers but nothing they can put at the bottom of any old page.

N.B. There is a by no means universal dislike of ballet within the opera world and perhaps an even more virulent dislike of it in the classical music universe. Ironically, many composers (and I don't mean hacks) would go unperformed or nearly so if it were not for the ballet.

Consider the case of Adolphe Adam; his Le Corsaire and Giselle are performed along side Swan Lake and La Sylphide.

Can the same be said of his best known operas, Le postillon de Lonjumeau, Le toréador, ou L'accord parfait and Si j'étais roi? Though in this particular case there may have been bad blood going back to a discussion of the spelling of the ballet Ondine (like I said, I understand your desire for privacy.)

I'll make contact with Jay via his talk page, but it could be a while.

My main concerns are the ballets of Balanchine and Robbins and more generally the repertory of City Ballet.

They'll be in season the next two months.

Tickets are really cheap, fifteen dollars, thirty for a pair, if you join the Fourth Ring Society and don't mind wearing an oxygen mask.

In truth, the fourth ring is excellent seating.

The New York State Theater was designed to Balanchine's specifications, and many of his and Robbins' ballets are so formal that seeing them from above is desirable.

Though, if I had the money, I'd sit in the front row of the second or third ring.

If you buy your tickets the first day single seats go on sale you can get aisle seats in row D or E, and at such a nominal price I see every program twice. — Robert Greer (talk) 04:11, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

Proposed change to article guidelines

Nrswanson, I have suggested a change to our article guidelines here. As an active contributor to the project, I value your comments. Thomprod (talk) 15:29, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

Project tags (plus Happy New Year)

Hi. I think it's best to wait till the end of January before tagging/rating Operas of the Month (or whatever). I've only just started Rodrigue. These articles already have the attention of the Opera Project since they're on our front page. I plan to make this comment at the project tomorrow. Meanwhile, Happy New Year. --Folantin (talk) 19:05, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

OK. I'd appreciate it if you changed the rating at the end of January though. We need to sort out what we are going to do with the assessment system (if anything) next year. In the mean time, it's not a worry. Cheers and Happy 2009 whenever it arrives. --Folantin (talk) 19:16, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Nice total revert

Hi, Nice total revert. Just like with vandalism, as in when a person blanks the page and puts "Your mama wears army boots". Oh, by the way, this is what causes silly edit wars. People do total reverts back and forth. OK, since Wikipedia articles are expected to be edited, I will go back and redo the most glaring examples of un-needed bullets, and we will see if you feel that you have ownership of the singing article OnBeyondZebrax (talk) 20:05, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Hi, I am sorry. I am not familiar with a rule against defining elements in a bulleted list. Perhaps you feel that since the elements have a Wikilink, then you don't have to gloss them. However, some readers print articles, so relying on the Wikilinks won't help these readers.OnBeyondZebrax (talk) 20:21, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
Way to escalate the conflict

Um... interesting that you immidiatly jump to accusations of ownership and edit waring before even talking to me. Not exactly a friendly or civil way to start a dialogue. I personally prefer bullet points and embedded lists in this instance as opposed to prose, as such lists disseminate the information in a more reader friendly format. I am of course open to any changes if they improve the quality of the article. Just because I may disagree with you and prefer an earlier version does not mean that I am expressing ownership of the article. I suggest that you actually take the time to explain your reasoning behind what you are trying to do and argue for its merits rather than throw a temper tantrum. This is a collaborative encyclopedia after all.Nrswanson (talk) 20:12, 1 January 2009 (UTC) (Above note was relocated from OnBeyondZebrax's talk page)

Hello Nrswanson, I am calmer now. I became frustrated with the total revert, because it is treating edits no better than a vandal who erases the article and replaces it with "I LUV SINGING IN THE SHOWER". I would like to suggest that the only accusation was of article ownership. The reference to edit warring was more indirect. I was arguing that total reversion can cause edit warring, because the person who has the total revert changes it back, and so on. Nevertheless, I admit using the term can be a conflict-causing step. Sorry. Anyway, back to the issue at hand. Bullets and numbered lists. You are correct, they are clear. But the Wikipedia style guide section on "Bulleted and numbered lists" says "Do not use lists if a passage reads easily using plain paragraphs." (see the WP:MOS). Granted, I am biased against bulleted lists, as find prose develops ideas better. However, this style guide instruction seems to me to suggest that prose is the default writing mode for Wikipedia.
Regarding the issue of whether we should rely on Wikilinks, if you go to [2] or WP:LIST" the "Think about print" paragraph of the List style guide, it says "Don't forget, we want to make the creation of a print version of Wikipedia as easy as possible, so try to use terms such as "this article" as opposed to "this website" and certainly don't use terms such as "click here" (which make no sense, when using a screen reader, for instance). You may also find it helpful to imagine you're reading the article in another encyclopedia." This justifies defining unusual terms in bulleted lists, such as phonation -- you can't assume the person is reading the article online. They may have printed out the article and they may be reading it on paper. The style guide also notes that "Although lists may be organized in different ways, they must always be organized." Some of the lists in the singing article, such as the list of vocal pedagogy issues are not organized and grouped into subheadings. I will get back to you with some ideas to improve the article.OnBeyondZebrax (talk) 01:49, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

Kiri Te Kanawa

I see you have "clipped her wings" somewhat. Still, there is now more detail in the intro. She is a well known singer, and was unfortunate not to have been born in the US or Britain, where she would have got much better reviews. You did add various criticisms of her, while other sopranos are only lauded with praise on Wikipedia. Still, it is much better than the state it was in, and I did notice that you kept much of the original content and reworded it to be more diplomatic. Wallie (talk) 19:22, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. I think that some other sopranos are rather over-hyped, especially the modern ones. A lot of people do not think Kiri is a great soprano, like say Kathleen Battle, Anna Netrebko or Renee Fleming. I think she is up there (not taking anything away from the others). Kiri is more down to earth and modest than some other sopranos - compare her with Maria Callas. Wallie (talk) 19:32, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

fine

I thought two was ok. I'm not sure how to move one back anymore. Can it still be left in a holding bay in update? Victuallers (talk) 20:42, 7 January 2009 (UTC) Thx - that should work I guess Victuallers (talk) 20:45, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

Merry Christmas

Sorry please forgive me, you can erase, this is not problem for me. But you’re wrong. I am not an opera singer I am only a Italian singing teacher. I had more sopranista and countertenor student. You should to think there is a big example from history. Known Farinelli’s voice 3.5 octave. Think this 3.5 octave contains which voice registers? I am not a fun of him only I watched his one video from youtube. And I wanna share with other users of vikipedia. Research Castrato voices you’ll see what I am thinking about :) And one thing more :) I am interesting with Jorge Cano. Do you know any record belong to him where can I listen or more information. All the best, success. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Singingteacher (talkcontribs) 19:29, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

DYK selection

Thanks for all your work assembling queues but please take care picking which hook to use when moving to next. I had struck my own alt1 from Franciacorta (wine) after a discussion on the hooks page over the proper terminology but you chose to promote the struck alt1 hook. - Dravecky (talk) 01:42, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

Castrato

You removed the name of Timur Okutman from Castrato#Modern_castrati_and_similar_voices with the reasoning that a castrato can't sing baritone; however, nowhere in the Castrato article is there a claim that this is true. Timur Okutman's website claims he is a natural castrato and according to Wikipedia:Blp#Using_the_subject_as_a_self-published_source a personal web site is considered a reliable source. Please add some reliably sourced content to the article to support your claim otherwise your reasoning for deleting Timur Okutman has to be considered original research. -Regards Nv8200p talk 02:32, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Maria Zamboni

Updated DYK query On January 10, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Maria Zamboni, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Dravecky (talk) 09:04, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Nino Martini

Updated DYK query On January 11, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Nino Martini, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Dravecky (talk) 20:48, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

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Phil Lamason

Any specific reason not to use the image associated with this hook? I'd delayed using it from the last queue I built with the intention of putting this one at the top of the next queue, complete with photo. No worries either way, mostly curious. - Dravecky (talk) 00:27, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

DYK nomination for Dan Kroffat

Hi, you rejected and removed this nomination (diff), as you believed that the article had only been expanded 4x. Because the expansion is only supposed to be related to the prose (not lists, which is pretty much all that the old article had), I actually count an expansion from 244 characters to 3565, which is a 14.6x expansion. For more on this, you can check Template talk:Did you know#Ray Gunkel, where another one of my nominations went through the same confusion. Would you please be able to reconsider promoting this hook? Thanks. GaryColemanFan (talk) 05:37, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

DYK for St. Peter's Church, Jaffa

Updated DYK query On January 16, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article St. Peter's Church, Jaffa, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Dravecky (talk) 17:10, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

RE: DYK review of Papaya mosaic virus

Oh, right, sorry. I don't generally review articles at DYK but as the process has become a bit "dead" lately I'm only trying to help out. Sorry if I wasn't accurate on that occasion, I'll try to do it again. Thanks! Garden. 22:33, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

Ah, it's a little better if I made the same mistake as you :) Hope to see you around T:TDYK in the future. Thanks again, Garden. 22:46, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

DYK deadline

Hi, Nrswanson! I just noticed this message you left at User talk:La Pianista. We do usually accept noms older than 5 days if the day is still under expiring noms (see unwritten rules D8). But the eligibility of the article is for you to decide of course :) Cheers. Chamal talk 02:57, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

Please tag specific sections

Please tag specific statements within articles that you feel need ref improve. The Reservisor article is several pages long and has many references. Without tags on specific sections, there's no way to know what the problem is. Maury Markowitz (talk) 00:09, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

Every one of the cite needs you added is in one of the existing cites or linked articles. Maury Markowitz (talk) 00:22, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
Wait, there was a DYK review? When? Why wasn't I posted? Maury Markowitz (talk) 00:25, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
I'm still looking for a list of individual statements in the article that you feel are not referenced. From what I can see, you simply inserted a cite-need at the end of every paragraph whether or not it is referenced. Maury Markowitz (talk) 12:45, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

Copyright concerns

Hello. There is no easy way to say this, but I am a bit concerned about the similarity between some passages in your article on Polly Young and her entry in Grove, [3], which is cited as a source. For example, your last paragraph, from "The Barthélemons lived in Vauxhall ... " to "... another Swedenborgian, Baroness Nolcken", is identical to the last paragraph of Grove entry. I think these passages need to be reworded to avoid copyright issues - do you agree?

(I note in passing that the article provides a reference for the profession of her father to Polly's entry in Grove, but that Grove entry does not mention it, although the Grove entry for his father, Charles Sr, does.[4]) -- Testing times (talk) 19:49, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for being so understanding. It is mostly fine: that paragraph was the bit that gave me most concern. The other areas that I thought could be potentially problematic were the sentence about Jefte, the sentence about her letter to The Morning Post (although, on a second look, that could be ok), and the sentence about Haydn's visit. But your version generally reads better than the original! -- Testing times (talk) 20:27, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Anthony Young (musician)

Updated DYK query On January 20, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Anthony Young (musician), which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Dravecky (talk) 19:52, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Charles Young (musician)

Updated DYK query On January 20, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Charles Young (musician), which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Dravecky (talk) 19:52, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Cecilia Young

Updated DYK query On January 20, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Cecilia Young, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Dravecky (talk) 19:52, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Isabella Lampe

Updated DYK query On January 20, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Isabella Lampe, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Dravecky (talk) 19:53, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Esther Young

Updated DYK query On January 20, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Esther Young, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Dravecky (talk) 19:53, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Isabella Young

Updated DYK query On January 20, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Isabella Young, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Dravecky (talk) 19:53, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Elizabeth Young (contralto)

Updated DYK query On January 20, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Elizabeth Young (contralto), which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Dravecky (talk) 19:53, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Polly Young

Updated DYK query On January 20, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Polly Young, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Dravecky (talk) 19:53, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Michael Arne

Updated DYK query On January 21, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Michael Arne, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Dravecky (talk) 08:11, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

Handel opera project

Re your note, I don't claim to be particularly knowledgeable on GFH, although I love the music. I'd be happy to join the project in some role or other. One particular thing occurs to me: last year I created List of operas by Mozart and brought it to FL. I am currently working on a similar list of Richard Wagner's operas. I would be happy to work on the Handel opera list, either generally or on some aspect of it. I'm pretty busy at present, but I'll always find time for a music article. Brianboulton (talk) 17:09, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Ombra mai fù

Shoemaker's Holiday (talk) 18:06, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Still needs some click remiova, mind (and there's not much I can do about the wind noises early on, but...)

thanks

Hey Nrswanson, thank you for the 50 DYK medal; that's a really nice one! As for Lockwood -- nope -- these days I'm curling up with Norman's fiction. Rosiestep (talk) 16:42, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Jonathan Battishill

Updated DYK query On January 25, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Jonathan Battishill, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Dravecky (talk) 11:40, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Egidio Duni

Updated DYK query On January 25, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Egidio Duni, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Dravecky (talk) 17:31, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

File:Plácido Domingo, 2008.jpg

I have transfered the photo to Wiki Commons. Here is the link in commons http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Pl%C3%A1cido_Domingo,_2008.jpg. I have added a tag to the photo for speedy deletion to avoid conflict with Commons photo. - Jay (talk) 04:57, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Performance Today

Hi NR, I've listened to Performance Today regularly for several years, and have never heard "What Makes It Great" on the show, nor can I find any evidence that it still airs on the show. Do you have a citation/link that confirms this? Thanks. Softlavender (talk) 18:38, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Ah, thanks so much NR. Ya know, when I logged off Wikipedia after querying you, I decided to find the contact info for the show and wrote them an e-mail. Fred himself wrote right back and confirmed! "Yes indeed, in fact Rob is doing a brand new 'WMIG' segment for Performance Today for the 200th birthday of Mendelssohn, coming up next week." I guess I never wake up early enough to hear the first hour of the show, and maybe that's when the WMIG usually airs. :-) Thanks again for the trouble. Softlavender (talk) 19:19, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Handel's 250th anniversary project

Let me know what's happening and when.  HWV258  21:33, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Michael Christian Festing

Updated DYK query On January 30, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Michael Christian Festing, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Dravecky (talk) 08:48, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Pepita Jiménez

Updated DYK query On January 30, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Pepita Jiménez, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Dravecky (talk) 08:56, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Pepita Jiménez

Updated DYK query On January 30, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Pepita Jiménez, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Dravecky (talk) 14:48, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

Re: DYK

Cheers for clearing that up. Sunderland06 (talk) 20:10, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Pelléas et Mélisande (opera)

Updated DYK query On January 31, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Pelléas et Mélisande (opera), which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Dravecky (talk) 20:33, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Asrael

Updated DYK query On February 2, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Asrael, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Dravecky 13:33, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Andreas Dippel

Updated DYK query On 2 February, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Andreas Dippel, which you recently nominated. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Dravecky 13:34, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Opera Portal

Hi. Thanks for the message. I have no idea how to retrieve old DYKs. Here are the names and dates of my DYKs that *might* be relevant to the opera portal, but I am not sure, because I have no idea what the hooks said. Feel free to use any of them if you can retrieve them:

  • 1 October 2006 Harriett Everard
  • 9 October 2006, Fred Sullivan
  • 9 October 2007, Florence Perry
  • 26 October 2007, John Hollingshead
  • 22 November 2007, George Sheringham
  • 3 February 2008, Euphrosyne Parepa-Rosa
  • 25 March 2008, Signor Brocolini
  • April 28, 2008, Julian Sturgis
  • 11 May 2008, Amy Evans
  • 18 September 2008, Emily Soldene
  • 1 November 2008, Frank Wyatt (singer)
  • 12 January 2009, Alice May
  • 12 January 2009, Hamilton Clarke

By the way, if you are interested in featuring any of the G&S show articles, the best one to use is currently Trial by Jury. Thespis (opera) is a great article, but the show is relatively obscure. If you would like to feature any of the G&S performer articles, the best ones are George Grossmith, Rutland Barrington and Jessie Bond. Best regards, -- Ssilvers (talk) 22:51, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Isidore de Lara

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DYK for Die Königin von Saba

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Changes to Portal:Opera - Discussion

I've opened a discussion on this at the OP. [5]. All contributions welcome. (I'm notifying all OP members who have participated in the discussions about the portal) Best, Voceditenore (talk) 09:59, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Georgette Leblanc

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DYK for Marie Wilt

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DYK for Hans von Rokitansky

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Vocal Range

Hi, I was looking at this article, but I couldn't understand it, and since you made many edits to this article, I don't know if you could help with this: Im currently working on a song's article, a-ha's "Take on Me", the sheet music said that the lead singer's vocal range spans from A3 to E6, so my question is how many octaves are in between, isn't A3 for women or it had something to do with the falsetto at the end of each chorus? Sorry to bother you, but I don't know anything about musical structure, and you seem to know a lot about this. Thanks in advance for your answer. Frcm1988 (talk) 08:17, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Ok, thank you I think I understand a little more. So the best way to know how many octaves his vocal rang spans is with the hertz frecuency used in the scientific pitch notation, so A3 is equal to 220.00 Hz and E6 is equal to 1318.5 Hz, and using the ratio of frequencies for an octave 2:1 , the vocal range between A3 and E6 is nearly two and a half octaves?
Sorry for not be clear in the first question, I wanted to know how you can tell the number of octaves between the two notes, but I didn't see the article of the scientific pitch notation, but again I don't know if what I do is right. Again thanks for the clarification. Frcm1988 (talk) 20:24, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
Ok again thanks for all your help. Frcm1988 (talk) 20:43, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Opera project banner

FYI, Kleinzach had removed all the opera project tags from Victor Herbert articles. The articles mostly follow the musical theatre project guidelines, rather than the opera project guidelines. This is also the case for Romberg, Friml, etc. Best regards, -- Ssilvers (talk) 20:02, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

I have no problem with it, and I am delighted that you want to improve the articles. I would just ask that you put the roles table after the plot synopsis in each article. I like the plot synopsis to be as high up in the article as possible (after the background/history section), because that is what most readers want to find out about. See, for example, Rose Marie (operetta) Best regards, -- Ssilvers (talk) 21:40, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

A very brief idea of the plot is good in the WP:LEAD, but it should only be a sentence or two there. Can you please put the roles table below the synopsis? I would really appreciate that. Best regards, -- Ssilvers (talk) 21:52, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Victor Herbert

Please add in-line citations to the sources where you are getting all the new information. Thanks! -- Ssilvers (talk) 22:01, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the message. Please leave the list of operettas (and all the refs in it, which represent a lot of work) until you are finished with your new list. -- Ssilvers (talk) 23:39, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Superb job with the article! I increased the rating to B-class. You need to add page numbers from the books to show where you found the information discussed. I set up the refs for you so that all you need to do is fill in the page numbers. -- Ssilvers (talk) 07:26, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Hi. When can you get to the page numbers? Best regards, -- Ssilvers (talk) 07:36, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your message. I appreciate what you are saying, and I don't want to cramp your style. The content that you have added is excellent, but I urge you to add page numbers for what you already have written before adding any more detail. I agree that more detail can be added on the topics that you mentioned, but I think the referencing is of paramount importance. All the best! -- Ssilvers (talk) 04:45, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Hi. I'm hoping you can spend a little while inserting some of the page numbers? You needn't do it all at once.... Best regards, Ssilvers (talk) 00:34, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Re Marian Anderson

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Dramatic soprano

Hi, I've just noticed I put back Birgit Nilsson back on the page after you deleted her name. Do you want me to revert it? Tribal44 (talk) 00:57, 16 February 2009 (UTC)Tribal44


Oh ok. Just letting you know, thanks :} Tribal44 (talk) 15:55, 16 February 2009 (UTC)Tribal44

Page name change

Hi. I notice that you made a change to the name of a page here. I'm fine with changing that name, but I wonder if you could provide me with a quick list (or point me to where such a list exists) of what needs to be done when changing a page name. Obviously it is easy to create the new page, but what about all the links that point to the old page? Whereabouts is the page redirection stuff handled? Thanks in advance.  HWV258  21:44, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

List of compositions by Thomas Arne

Hi, when I saw this new article (Abrams sisters), I did a bit of sleuthing and it seems Arne wrote a comic opera/farce called May Day, or The Little Gipsy. [6] add to list? Best, Voceditenore (talk) 18:43, 17 February 2009 (UTC) PS. Will be "away from my desk" from 18-24 Feb. Voceditenore (talk) 18:43, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Sopranos page

Please stop changing the sopranos redirection page. What makes you think people are more interested in a vocal range than in one of the most acclaimed TV shows of all time? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.29.231.118 (talk) 12:30, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Hi, you made the point on my homepage about the number of pages linking to soprano (music) being greater than the number of pages linking to Sopranos (TV show). Sorry, I think the point isn't relevant. Of course more pages will link to the musical soprano, because it is part of a network of related concepts (musical theory, orchestras, singing etc), whereas the Sopranos TV show is a single concept. The only relevant statistic is the proportion of people expecting the TV show when they type "Sopranos" in the search box compared to the proportion expecting a page about the musical voice. If you have these statistics, I'd bet my house that they show that most expect the TV show. Being a top-rated pop culture milestone, it has the interest of millions of people, whereas musical theory and related concepts are a fairly specialised interest. Do you really want to keep reverting people's changes forever? Can't you see you are in a minority on this one?

Hi. You say that soprano and The Sopranos page have about an equal number of hits. I would venture that this is because many people, myself included, type "sopranos" into the search box, expecting to get the show, and get sent to the music page, generating a hit there. We then make our way to the page we want.

FYI

Since you were the one that reported the 3RR in my talk page, this may be of your interest as well: Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Commemorative_Coin_Controversy.

Thanks, Miguel.mateo (talk) 14:23, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

Bad-mouthing and stirring up trouble

I saw this:

"My sympathies that you are on Kleinzach's bad list. Just a warning, once you're on it you never leave it. He holds a long grudge.Nrswanson (talk) 18:14, 20 February 2009 (UTC)", see the talk page of Miguel.mateo, here.

This is trouble making. The coin controversy (which probably affects hundreds of pages) is a sensitive situation in which I am a relatively minor and reluctant player. You are encouraging Miguel.mateo to get himself blocked.

I suggest you remove the message from Miguel.mateo's talk page. --Kleinzach 03:24, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Hermann Becht

Hi. Sorry but I had to remove the Living People category from the Hermann Becht article as I noticed from the German wiki article that he died a couple of weeks ago. I can't find any English language sources to that effect, although plenty of German sources. FlowerpotmaN·(t) 12:53, 28 February 2009 (UTC)