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Sure - I'll get to it in a moment. Sorry, I've been on the road all day. Got to Knoxville not too long ago. --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 04:57, 7 October 2017 (UTC)

Done. --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 05:07, 7 October 2017 (UTC)

At long last...[edit]

There are no more red links at User:Nyttend/ZIP! Thank you for starting it up and finishing the first twenty-odd states, and continuing to host the lists in your user space while I and various other folks finished the rest. @RFD: thanks to you too for all your help with the lists, and to the many other people who created new articles through the years. TheCatalyst31 ReactionCreation 17:54, 8 October 2017 (UTC)

Thank you Nyttend. The unincorporated communities in the United States have unique, interesting histories. Again my thanks also-RFD (talk) 18:44, 8 October 2017 (UTC)

Unblock please[edit]

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Block message:

Editing from Nyttend backup has been blocked (disabled) by Nyttend for the following reason(s): no reason given. This block has been set to expire: no expiry set.

Accept reason:

Resolved, see below. Huon (talk) 22:17, 13 October 2017 (UTC)

I wanted to see the message that happens when you get autoblocked, so I blocked my alternate account, logged out of my main account, logged into the alt, and then logged out again. Having gotten the notice, I then logged back into my main account — and found that I was still autoblocked! And because I'm blocked, I can't unblock other users, so I can't remove this block. My IP address here is, although I'm about to leave (it's at a restaurant), so the correct action is unblocking User:Nyttend backup. Nyttend (talk) 22:04, 13 October 2017 (UTC)

Alt account unblocked. Did that work, or do I need to hunt for an autoblock? --Floquenbeam (talk) 22:09, 13 October 2017 (UTC)
Yes, it worked. Thanks! Since when can administrators be autoblocked? I thought IP-block-exempt was part of the admin package? Nyttend (talk) 22:10, 13 October 2017 (UTC)
I don't know, not a techie. And wait; I think you can unblock other users even when you're blocked yourself. Has that changed? --Floquenbeam (talk) 22:11, 13 October 2017 (UTC)
Yes, it's changed. It all depends on your ability to edit a page — if you can edit it, you can move it, protect it, unblock its underlying account, etc., but if you can't edit it, you can't do any of those things. The only things you can do while blocked, aside from editing your own talk page (and presumably protecting it) and unblocking yourself, are doing RevDel and modifying user rights. When you came along, I'd just given myself IP-block-exempt, with which I was going to unblock the alt and end this silly situation :-) Nyttend (talk) 22:14, 13 October 2017 (UTC)
I think there's a difference between an autoblock and the "prevent registered editors from editing from this IP address" feature that IP block exemption deals with. IPBE to my knowledge indeed is part of the admin rights. Huon (talk) 22:17, 13 October 2017 (UTC)
It is part of admin rights, at Special:ListGroupRights it's described as "Bypass IP blocks, auto-blocks and range blocks (ipblock-exempt)". Peter James (talk) 20:56, 14 October 2017 (UTC)

Thornton tombstone[edit]

Apologies for the late response - I'm still on the road. Be home tomorrow.

I used the photographs on this site as a guide. Briefly:

Once you get to Oak Hill Forest Road, and start going down it, you'll see a road off to the right with a couple of structures on it. This is one. The path into the woods will be perpendicular to the drive you see by the structure. Take that path - this page says a quarter mile, which sounds a decent estimate. I would follow it until about twenty paces beyond the treeline and then start tacking inward a bit. Have a look at this image, which I took from the stone back the way I came. See that gnarly looking dead tree in the background? That should be visible from the cleared path - if you walk just past it, keeping it on your right, you should come upon the graveyard before too much longer. The obelisk was behind a tree when I came upon it - I nearly missed it. If memory serves (and it's been a few months, so I'm sorry I'm rusty), these coordinates are more accurate than the ones in the article. (I didn't change the article because I'm not convinced mine are right, either.)

The xroads images are very useful; I was able to walk myself through most of the search using them. I also have a couple of other images at home that might be of use - are you going to try again this weekend? If not, I can get them to you when I get home tomorrow night. They don't show much, but they can show you approximately how far from the structures you need to be before you start looking.

You can always ask a ranger, also - I didn't, and I'm a bit sorry I didn't, as it was hunting season and I kept hearing guns discharging in the distance. I figured it might have been better to let someone else know I was there. :-)

That help? Sorry if not - it's been a few months. --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa.


Looks like the nominator is planning to withdraw the Tyrique Jarrett Afd. WikiOriginal-9 (talk) 00:50, 22 October 2017 (UTC)

Sorry, Nyttend, WikiOriginal provided proof that Jarrett played in one game. I just read WP:WDAFD, so can you officially withdraw it and do a speedy keep on my behalf, and remove the template from the article? 2605:A000:FFC0:D8:E8B0:35F4:5401:1C0D (talk) 00:55, 22 October 2017 (UTC)

I'm the nominator, so I shouldn't do it. One keep plus a withdrawal from the person originally responsible for the nomination means that it will be speedy kept by the first uninvolved admin who comes along. Nyttend (talk) 03:08, 22 October 2017 (UTC)
Thanks. Looks like someone took care of it. 2605:A000:FFC0:D8:E8B0:35F4:5401:1C0D (talk) 03:34, 22 October 2017 (UTC)



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Central Queensland University[edit]

Just to explain my revert. Rockhampton is a urban area (town) but Rockhampton City is the central suburb of that urban area (a much smaller area, and very precisely defined by a set of boundaries), so they are not the same thing. And, just to be confusing, Rockhampton City is different to City of Rockhampton (which is a former local government area, now replaced by Rockhampton Region). Alas we don't have an article on Wikipedia for Rockhampton City so it redirects back onto Rockhampton, which is one of those "best places to point it for the moment" kind of redirects. Rockhampton is not the only place that uses this nomenclature, we have the same situation with Brisbane, Brisbane City and City of Brisbane all being quite distinct things, but it's quite confusing for non-locals (and for a lot of locals as well). I'll go and create Rockhampton City to make it a little less confusing. Kerry (talk) 02:12, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

Correct, Rockhampton City (now a stub instead of a redlink, I'll expand it later) is just a suburb. It has no power to make local laws any more than the suburb of Norman Gardens does. Like all suburbs and localities (Australia), it has precise boundaries. The laws are made by the local government Rockhampton Region. The town of Rockhampton consists of a bunch of suburbs, including Rockhampton City and Norman Gardens. The town has no power to make laws either. You get the same naming confusion with Brisbane (town), Brisbane City (the central suburb), City of Brisbane (the local government area), ditto confusion around Townsville (town), Townsville City (central suburb) and City of Townsville (local government area). Kerry (talk) 02:46, 30 October 2017 (UTC)
We have neighbourhoods too :-) They are not bounded and (where officially recognised) designated with a centrepoint only (like towns). Many of our neighbourhoods are former suburbs/towns. Most of these neighbourhoods don't have Wikipedia articles though, but a few do. Personally I think the "City" in the central suburb names was a dumb choice, it just creates confusion. I prefer what they did in Gladstone where the central suburb is called Gladstone Central. I think that's a less confusing and more self-describing name. I wish that approach had been adopted more widely within Queensland. Kerry (talk) 05:38, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

A cup of coffee for you![edit]

Cup-o-coffee-simple.svg The list of Counties in West Virginia made the front page in Wikipedia today (10/30/2017). I wanted to say thanks for your help Coal town guy (talk) 18:27, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

New editing tools[edit]

Hi Nyttend, not sure if you can help. If using the new page editing tools, do you know how to sort items in a list? - on the old editing format there was a designated sort function, but this is now grayed and I can't access it. Kind regards Brookie :) { - like the mist - there one moment and then gone!} (Whisper...) 16:56, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for the response - I have finally cracked it by altering preferences in the beta tab; it's been driving me nuts! Brookie :) { - like the mist - there one moment and then gone!} (Whisper...) 16:05, 2 November 2017 (UTC)

Halloween cheer![edit]

RfC de-list[edit]

Re: [1][2][3]

First, the first revert is a widely-accepted and routine way to challenge any edit, per WP:BRD, and is hardly disruption worthy of an aggressive and combative "block request" threat. I'm astonished that someone with your experience—an admin, no less!—needs this explained to them. With that out of the way ... Bot de-listing is not a close, and it ends nothing except listing the RfC. The RfC can remain open as long as people feel it needs to, whether it's listed or not. If you already understand that and your opinion is that it needs to remain listed longer than 30 days (which would be extremely unusual), then state it that way and don't call de-listing a "close" and then an "end". Also explain why that needs to be decided 17 days before it would normally be de-listed. We have no idea what the level of participation will be by then. ―Mandruss  00:22, 2 November 2017 (UTC)

Got to love how people care more about pursuing disputes than avoiding technical problems, which are the kinds of things for which administrative tools are granted. Nyttend (talk) 01:05, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

Your help desk question[edit]

You did not get a response to this question. Did you find out the answer?— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 21:29, 3 November 2017 (UTC)

No, never got an answer. It's disappointing. Nyttend (talk) 01:06, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

Inviting you to comment (if you are interested)[edit]

Hi. It's been a while since I last contacted you. Though I'm inviting you to comment, it's not a big deal if you don't. I will never be offended if you aren't interested in commenting on any of my invites. • SbmeirowTalk • 04:18, 9 November 2017 (UTC)

See my following question at the Help Desk: Wikipedia:Help_desk#What_rule.2Fguideline_exist_for_photo_albums_in_College_articles.3F

Reconsideration for Siftery[edit]

The page for Siftery was abruptly deleted even though it was not established that the page was "unambiguously promotional". A large number of independent publications made notable mentions or coverage of the company. There may have been recommendations for improvement; outright deletion was abrupt and not warranted on the merits. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Johnleecg (talkcontribs) 00:47, 16 November 2017 (UTC)

Regarding Alumni Lists and Profile Pictures on University Articles[edit]

Hello Nyttend,

I wanted to raise to your attention that I have reverted the deletion of the partial alumni list and profile pictures at the University of Kansas article ( The reason I have done this is that there was not consensus to remove that all of that information even at the Helpdesk thread. The purpose of this section per the WP:UNIGUIDE guidance was to "give a sense of the extent to which persons with well-known deeds or highly significant accomplishments are or have been associated with the school (as by attendance there or by being on staff or faculty). For most schools this might take the form of a list of people meeting Wikipedia's notability standards (each with perhaps a very brief descriptive phrase), where such a list would not be excessively long. For very old, very large, or very prestigious schools it may be more appropriate to use categories ("Alumni of", "Faculty of", etc.) instead, limiting the explicit list to very well-known persons (heads of state, historical figures, etc.) and adding a narrative summary of statistics on such things as Nobel Prizes, other prestigious awards, and so on."

Based on that guidance it is my position that alumni lists are helpful for readers to give a sense of the extent of well known/significant accomplished persons are related to the institution whether that be alumni, faculty or others. Some articles just have an Alumni list, some have a broader People of xyz university list. The guidance does not have specific information relating to galleries in the section or for separate list pages. I think there should at least be some discussion before editors remove information on highly notable articles such as Harvard University. As you pointed out the WP:MOSIMAGE states "images must be significant and relevant in the topic's context, not primarily decorative. They are often an important illustrative aid to understanding." I think the important question is whether alumni images are illustrative to aid in understanding in the culture/notability/significance/importance/idk of specific universities such as Harvard University. I recognize that you do not agree with this and I can see your reasoning for desiring to remove the images. I wanted to clarify if you were also advocating removal of the wikilinks for alumni lists section on the main university pages? Randomeditor1000 (talk) 14:16, 16 November 2017 (UTC)

As I said before, it's undue weight to a significant extent. If someone had a significant influence on the university itself, mention him in the history; if not, he has no business being mentioned. Lists are different; since they exist, they ought to be linked in a place where they fit the context, or placed in See also if they don't fit anywhere else. Nyttend (talk) 23:27, 16 November 2017 (UTC)
WP:UNIGUIDE doesn't say anything about photos are mandatory for the notable section. Many school and city articles summarize the most notables in a paragraph of text, of which, the University of Kansas article didn't do, though I wouldn't delete it if it existed. College articles are about the college and founders/employees who made significant long term impact on the college, of which temporary students who attended for a few short years don't. • SbmeirowTalk • 23:32, 16 November 2017 (UTC)
Sbmeirow, thanks for chiming in, I would say that WP:UNIGUIDE also doesn't say that the scope of the articles is mandatory that they are "about the college and founders/employees". In fact, a majority of them have information about students as well and other topics that are tangentially related to the institutions. Part of the reasoning that I believe the alumni section was originally included was out of WP:boosterism/WP:puffery but that was balanced out in that it was encyclopedic to include list/reference etc prominent alumni as again that helped the reader understand more about the institution. Many uni leads include information about the number previous Rhodes Scholars, Marshall Scholars, inventions, inventors etc that are related to universities but not specifically about the founders or significant influence on the institution itself. These may have not "had a significant influence" on the university itself. I don't think that test is relevant specifically to university articles. Again, I recognize your points. I'm thinking there will eventually be discussion at the project page for this so I will leave it at that. Randomeditor1000 (talk) 13:38, 17 November 2017 (UTC)


I'll dispute your speedy deletion of Swish (payment). Swish is widely used here in Sweden and there are plenty of potential sources.[4] From what I remember and what I can see in the Google-cached version, it does not look particularly promotional. The article should at least have been given a chance at AFD. --Hegvald (talk) 05:43, 20 November 2017 (UTC)

G4 of Draft:Jeffrey Guterman[edit]

Hello Nyttend. I felt the tone of your revert of my WP:G4 nomination of Draft:Jeffrey Guterman did not assume good faith. As a non-admin, I don't get to see the deleted article, and can only make an assumption that the subject of the new article is the same as the deleted one and the content substantially similar based on what I can access. From the deletion discussion it appeared the deleted article was about an academic. The new article, which I was reviewing as part of AfC is about a publisher of a book on mental health, which could be an academic work. I don't think it was unreasonable of me to think the two articles were about the same person. Your edit summary "Completely unrelated. Don't abuse the criterion" felt like a harsh accusation. What do you believe I should have done differently? Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 09:09, 20 November 2017 (UTC)

If you have no direct evidence of a repost (whether you've seen the deleted content somehow; or you've asked someone; or there's evidence of copy/pasting like citation remnants in the form of [3] or [75], or obviously backdated cleanup tags), do not tag for G4. You presented no evidence whatsoever for this clearly wrong tagging; if you engage in such recklessness, tagging in not-good-faith, expect to be received thus. Nyttend (talk) 13:05, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
Using G4 is pointless because only admins can see the deleted content. Not worth the risk of sanctions. Anything that should be deleted as being deleted before likely qualifies for deletion again on the reason it was previously deleted. Legacypac (talk) 18:48, 22 November 2017 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of 🙏🏼[edit]

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A tag has been placed on 🙏🏼, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G4 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page appears to be a repost of material that was previously deleted following a deletion discussion, such as at Articles for Deletion. When a page has substantially identical content to that of a page deleted after a discusion, and any changes in the content do not address the reasons for which the material was previously deleted, it may be deleted at any time.

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  • Side note regarding this, since the above is just a standard "run-of-the-mill" notification posted by Twinkle: I have brought up an idea for a more sufficient placeholder/target for possibly all emoji redirects at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2017 November 18#🙃. (I'm thinking of creating List of emoji in the near future to resolve these emoji-related issues that seem to come up at RFD quite often.) Steel1943 (talk) 16:02, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
    ...And I also withdrew my G4 tag since retargeting to Emoji was never mentioned in the discussion, so I realized that G4 could potentially be invalid in this case. Steel1943 (talk) 16:07, 20 November 2017 (UTC)

Help desk[edit]

Thank you for the through, helpful explanation of how deleting works at Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2017 October 30#Administrators! Also, sorry for the late reply. Jjjjjjdddddd (talk) 02:06, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

Edit war report[edit]

I'm not going to make a song and dance about it but in future if you believe I'm edit warring or have broken another policy atleast have the decency to leave a warning or a note to tell me you've dragged my backside to 3RRNO or where ever! - Not doing so is very devious and considering you were on for roughly an hour after the report you would've had time to notify me or atleast warn me!. –Davey2010Talk 10:19, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

Or maybe I'll just come and find my own computer, rather than the borrowed one, and I'll log into this account and protect the article, which as policy demands is done without regard to whether I like the current version or the one most recently reverted from; maybe this will prevent petty complaints. I didn't warn anyone because I believed that nobody had broken 3RR (if anyone did, I've forgotten), and since I often see "help, RFPP is backlogged" notices but don't often see comparable things for AN3, I figured it would get a quicker response. This will be my only response, unless you give me a good-faith question, or unless you leave several more responses of this sort and prompt me to request sanctions. Nyttend (talk) 12:04, 21 November 2017 (UTC)


I do not disagree with your edit, but threatening sanctions for a G5 seems a little harsh, especially against an editor who (by rough count) is more than 90% accurate with CSD tagging. Primefac (talk) 15:04, 22 November 2017 (UTC)

AGF goes a long way[edit]

I just wanted to make mention of something that really seemed unnecessary, particularly this edit. I feel the need to defend myself as sanctions have been threatened with no reason to warrant them. I think most people, even those on WP who don't necessarily agree with me would say that I don't generally tag CSDs willy-nilly and certainly not G5. At the time I tagged that, the editor was blocked by a CU and had made the only significant contribution to the article. Meatgains did a lot of minor edits (and i'm not discounting them) but i'd hardly call that significant in the context of a G5 and socking. I'm sure I've erroneously tagged a small handful (less than 5, if I had to guess) of G5s in the last year but threatening sanctions, especially when my tag was in good faith and there has been no discussion and calling another editor clueless is a bit over the top. CHRISSYMAD ❯❯❯¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 15:06, 22 November 2017 (UTC)