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Repeated attempts to defend abuse of sources

I take a dim view of attempts to play semantics with slavery. "Oh, these enslaved people were not actually enslaved because the colonial power on the other side of the world announced that it didn't exist in the Empire anymore!" is not actually a compelling historical argument. I also find it very questionable to try to use such an intentionally reductive definition of slavery when even the British parliament has long abandoned it. The Drover's Wife (talk) 00:21, 5 October 2018 (UTC)

This is well beyond a personal conversation, this is now at the [[1]] JarrahTree 00:39, 5 October 2018 (UTC)
I think you should actually read the source. I take an extremely dim view of someone flagrantly misrepresenting a source and then threatening me because I accurately recounted what the text said. I also note that you have basically refused to actually engage in discussion about this issue, instantly resorting to reverts without edit summaries and threats for daring to disagree with you.
Your claims about "slavery-like" not being "slavery" based on a questionable distinction are your opinion, and one generally not shared by statutory definitions in the UK, Australia and at least much of the modern world. This said, I'm very open to alternate wordings that don't try to play unsupportable ideological games. The Drover's Wife (talk) 00:43, 5 October 2018 (UTC)
Please note that this conversation is now part of the Australian project to consider, and is no longer a personal interaction JarrahTree 00:44, 5 October 2018 (UTC)

Nyttend, I am a professional historian. My area of interest is not Australia so I will not involve myself in the article in question, but I can still assure you that slavery de facto existed in Australia despite the toothless law you quoted. The idea that slavery never existed in Australia because some Parliament 15,000 km away passed a law is itself a nasty, racist white supremacist hoax, up there with “children weren’t really harmed by residential schools in Canada” and “the suffering of those forced onto the Trail of Tears has been exaggerated”. All seek to discredit the harm done by whites to historic indigenous peoples in order to paint modern indigenous peoples as lazy, whining, worthless, subhuman leeches. I’m sorry you’ve fallen for the lie, but a lie it is. -- (talk) 17:37, 5 October 2018 (UTC)

I just love it when people attack me and make patronising comments with no basis in reality, seeking to paint illegal kidnapping or forced labour as ordinary slavery, as if it were somehow radically different from today's sex trafficking. Nyttend (talk) 23:18, 5 October 2018 (UTC)

𐌲𐌿𐍄𐌹𐍃𐌺 listed at Redirects for discussion[edit]


An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect 𐌲𐌿𐍄𐌹𐍃𐌺. Since you had some involvement with the 𐌲𐌿𐍄𐌹𐍃𐌺 redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion if you have not already done so. Abote2 (talk) 11:34, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

Template:User WP Earth science[edit]

Can't Template:User WP Earth science be speedied via G8 since it's dependent on a page that no longer exists? Or failing that, G6 as uncontroversial housekeeping? Ten Pound Hammer(What did I screw up now?) 22:33, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

Weird affect from WP:RM[edit]

Nyttend, hey – I'm not sure why, but your use of {{collapse top}}/{{collapse bottom}} at the WP:RM at Reptilians is having a weird affect on the listing at Wikipedia:Requested moves/Current discussions. I've taken a look at it, and I can't figure out why this is happening, but I thought I'd let you know – maybe you can figure it out! --IJBall (contribstalk) 05:57, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

That weird affect is making me simulteously happy, sad, angry, and placid, all at once. EEng 07:11, 14 October 2018 (UTC)


I had to remove the collapse template you used in your RM at Reptillians. It was causing your RM to be the last one showing at Wikipedia:Requested moves/Current discussions and therefore WP:RM. I noticed a similar problem at Talk:Brown Willy effect a few days ago. I don't know what's causing it, but removing the templates fixes it. If you want to add the template after your signature on the RM proposal, that should be ok. Station1 (talk) 07:09, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

Proposed topic ban for StreetSign moved to ANI[edit]

Since you're a participant, this is to notify you I've moved the discussion to Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Proposed topic ban for StreetSign (moved from AN).—Mythdon (talkcontribs) 04:53, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

Redirect query[edit]

I noticed that you made this edit. My only concern is that I didn't think we permitted redirects across editing spaces, from article space to user space or visa versa. A redirect from mainspace is actually a speedy deletion criterion, R2. I might have missed something here, can you clarify? Cheers Jimfbleak - talk to me? 05:48, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply, I'd read your edit summary, but hadn't followed the url link in it. It all makes sense now Jimfbleak - talk to me? 13:37, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

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A cookie for you![edit]

Choco chip cookie.png Thanks for cleaning up the wreckage from my archive reorg! zchrykng (talk) 04:23, 26 October 2018 (UTC)

Just wondering about a revert[edit]

You reverted my tagging suspicion of MariaJaneSambora99 being a sockpuppet of JulianLeeberher09. You said in your edit summary that it has "been rejected by the checkuser." When I goto to the actual investigation page it says the case is still open and being investigated. I need enlightening as to why the early tag removal. Thanks. Fyunck(click) (talk) 19:19, 27 October 2018 (UTC)

Nigerian Institute of Town Planners[edit]

Hello there, I noticed you declined speedy on this. I don't think it is a national organization of Government of Nigeria, it is just a privately held firm based in Abuja and Lagos. Regards. Hitro talk 11:18, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

West Africa Ebola virus epidemic[edit]

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Silk moth[edit]

I noticed this redirects to Bombyx mori and you were a contributor, at least reverting content that was not appropriate. Take a look at this. Someone who knows more about the species should look into this because almost nothing is said about the adult, and this is a North American species. I see nothing in any article that indicates a North American silk moth capable of flight (the moths in the educational feature "take flight").— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 19:41, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for the note, but I've read the message several times and keep missing your point. Could you help me understand your meaning? It looks to me as if Bombyx mori is an Old World species, and the concept of a moth six inches wide makes me think of the Luna moth. Note that its introduction says that it's part of the subfamily Saturniinae, "a group commonly known as giant silk moths". The subfamily appears to have 70 different genera and who-knows-how-many species, so I take it that he's talking about quite a large number of species as if they're all one kind of moth. Nyttend (talk) 00:20, 5 November 2018 (UTC)
My point is I don't know where on Wikipedia the adult moth in the educational feature is, or should be, discussed. I haven't found a type of "giant silk moth" that is in North America and capable of flight. I'll check your link but it may require some kind of hatnote or disambiguation.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 16:31, 5 November 2018 (UTC)
How about this?— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 16:54, 5 November 2018 (UTC)
I guess silence means no objection.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 21:42, 6 November 2018 (UTC)

Title "blacklist" question[edit]

Nyttend, are you at all knowledgeable about the "title blacklist"? I tried to move Good Morning!!! (Australian show) to Good Morning!!! (Australian TV program) but was hard-denied on that when the latter popped up as being on the "title blacklist"! I can't figure out what could be triggering this (maybe the 3 "!!!"?...), so I'm hoping to find an Admin who can explain what's going on here! Thanks in advance. (P.S. For added context, you can see this discussion...) --IJBall (contribstalk) 00:43, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

Politician notability[edit]

Thanks for your input on the RfC! I just wanted to let you know that you left two comments a month apart—did you forget about the first? FourViolas (talk) 20:24, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

Humanities desk, ‘’Azeri breakaway region’’[edit]

Hi Nyttend. I think Шурбур has a good answer, but there’s a little more background in the Armenian wiki article [3], which you may find useful. It says the Artsakh region came to be identified with Armenian nationality causes as far back as the 18th century. In addition, a couple of sourced (Armenian language sources) quotes from the article show how the region was closely linked with Armenian identity. The name itself, according to the article, goes back to cuneiform inscriptions in the 8th century BC. (talk) 16:32, 7 November 2018 (UTC)

  • Գարեգին Նժդեհն Արցախի մասին : Ոչ մի տեղ առանց Սյունիքի ու Արցախի: Առանց աշխարհագրական Հայաստանի այդ հզոր ողնաշարի մեր ամբողջական հայրենիքը գոյություն ունենալ չի կարող։ [18] (google translates as Garegin Nzhdeh about Artsakh Nowhere without Syunik and Artsakh. Our whole homeland of this mighty spine without geographical Armenia can not exist. [18])
  • Հայ մեծանուն պատմաբան Լեոն Արցախը համեմատել է «հսկայական միջնաբերդի» հետ, առանց որի «անհնար է երևակայել Հայաստանի սրտի, այն է՝ Արարատյան երկրի պաշտպանությունը»[3]։ (google translates as The great Armenian historian Leo has compared Artsakh with "huge citadel", without which "it is impossible to imagine the heart of Armenia, that is, the protection of the Araratian country" [3].)

What are you doing?[edit]

Can you see the happiness and relief in this comment? No warnings no actions? --Mhhossein talk 08:00, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

@Nyttend: For the record, I'm not interested in reverting. As outlined in the report, I'm interested in preventing vandalism and abiding by RS. Still Mhhossein's desperate attempts to get me sanctioned linger on, so will have to take his actions to ANI to see what others make of it. Stefka Bulgaria (talk) 12:42, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

deleted page[edit]

Hello. Could you please put a copy of the deleted page User:No More Mr Nice Guy/Quotes and Stuff in my userspace (or email it to me)? Thanks. I picked you because I saw you're active on AN. No More Mr Nice Guy (talk) 00:37, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

I thought I put a db-u1 on it? It was deleted pursuant to this discussion, which I wouldn't read if I were you, but you can see at the very end that I agreed rather than was forced to delete it.
I'm really sorry to pester you with this, but I would prefer to have the actual original text if possible. No More Mr Nice Guy (talk) 02:13, 17 November 2018 (UTC)
I understand now why you can't restore the page, but could you perhaps copy paste the source into my email? It's enabled. No More Mr Nice Guy (talk) 05:08, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

City articles[edit]

Hi, it's been a while since I last contacted you. If you are interested, please look at the following talk sections. If you aren't interested, that is fine too. • SbmeirowTalk • 13:06, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

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Sorry, I've edited through your protection[edit]


Please see my message at that talk page. --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 11:31, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for all your help![edit]

Hi Nyttend, just wanted to drop by and say thanks for all your help on the video question at the help desk! Seahawk01 (talk) 02:58, 26 November 2018 (UTC)

Newspaper sources[edit]

Thanks for your reply on WP:HD#Can we use a video of an academic conference as a source?. I see I have overgeneralised: I accept that major newspapers may or may not be reliable, depending on the kind of content and what is to be verified, as detailed at WP:NEWSORG (though I think that videos are more likely to be news than opinion pieces - not that these are relevant in this case, admittedly). But I think "the above answer is quite wrong" is rather a sweeping condemnation, when you disagreed with just one point. --ColinFine (talk) 17:56, 26 November 2018 (UTC)


You're quite welcome! ~ Amory (utc) 02:17, 27 November 2018 (UTC)

We're now given a new rationale:

You are not allowed to unblock yourself.

Return to Main Page.

I'm not clear what its message name is, since when I use the "uselang=qqx" language option, it returns me to Special:Unblock. Nyttend (talk) 02:20, 27 November 2018 (UTC)

Welcome back! You were sorely missed, but then, daring researchers have always been called on to sacrifice. We thank you. ~ Amory (utc) 02:23, 27 November 2018 (UTC)

courthouse article title disambiguation[edit]

You know that there is longstanding disagreement about naming of NRHP-listed courthouses, i.e. whether to use (City, State) disambiguation as is used for all other places, or to use (State) for courthouses because they are special. You also should know there has been peace about this, basically, for some time, with no one moving the other direction. No one has seemed to want to have out a big RFC and discussion involving disambiguation-interested editors, and the peace has been lasting. Any new moves have been reversed. I just now reversed your move of one. Please don't move it or other ones. If you want, I would be willing to have the big discussion, with wide notice and all that, to try to establish a consensus. It could go either way. --Doncram (talk) 02:50, 28 November 2018 (UTC)

I reversed another one too, and see that you have moved more, which i will visit. On Grant County Courthouse (Medford, Oklahoma) which you moved, I see that is one that I moved from Grant County Courthouse (Oklahoma) back in 2016, and I will not revert it now. It was then or sometime later that several editors were involved in disagreeing with new moves and agreeing to reverse new ones. User:Bubba73 was one editor; there were others. --Doncram (talk) 02:56, 28 November 2018 (UTC) and[edit]

There are some very odd contributions being made by .220 which appear to be a continuation of those by .172, who you blocked earlier. Would you take a look? Thanks! Dorsetonian (talk) 23:27, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

Hi Nyttend. You blocked this IP, but he/she is back as This person has been using IP 125's to muck around with flag articles, etc. for the past few months. Blocking hasn't seemed to slow them down at all. Maybe WP:PCPP might be more effective? -- Marchjuly (talk) 23:27, 6 December 2018 (UTC)