User talk:Occamy

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Selphie 16:05, 4 Feb 2005 (UTC) **

Baha'i stuff[edit]

Hi Occamy, and welcome. You appear to have come to this community about the same time as me.

I read a comment you made on Refdoc's talk page, and wanted to say something about it here, but now I've forgotten. bear with me a while, whilst I go take a look again.

oh yeah, that's right - Coffee vendors. I just wanted to say that one day, near the start of my Wikiholism I once spent the whole night editing and saw the sun come up the next day. I just kept thinking "just half an hour more, and I'll go to bed". That's one way (not recommended) to find time to do things here!

PaulHammond 18:28, Feb 6, 2005 (UTC)

True. Really bad is though when you see the sun going down again and still think - "ah, just see whether that troll has been active again"... Refdoc 00:13, 7 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Hi, I just made some changes to Kitab-i Aqdas and would like that someonewho is actually a Bahai has a look whther I got things right. Refdoc 00:22, 7 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Making external links[edit]

Hi Occamy.

I've fixed quite a few of your net links, and another one just now, so I thought I'd drop you a note about them. They're slightly different from Wikipedia links, and there are three ways to do them:

  • Bare link - you just put in the address as and the magic wiki fairies make it into a link Don't forget the http:// part!
  • Unlabelled reference - put the address in single square brackets - gives a footnote style numbered link so [] becomes [1].
  • Labelled reference - as above, but leave a space and a name after the address, and that name is what appears as the link, so [ My wonderful website] becomes My wonderful website.

Keep up the good work!

PaulHammond 18:56, Feb 7, 2005 (UTC)

CB pages[edit]

No. I wasn't advocating them, I was commenting about how they will, like the Orthodox Baha'i Pages, be very very very very very difficult when the time comes. I ---do not--- suggest that you begin research on this.

But I'll give you a very short example. The publicly stated reasons for SHoghi Effendi expelling Ruhi Afnan were that his sister married a covenant breaker, and that he made two international trips without consulting Shoghi Effendi. Uh. You and I both know there's more to the story than that, but you and I both ALSO know that the House is not going to release the details of the Guardian's coorespondence with Ruhi Afnan any time soon. Ahmad Sohrab wrote a 200 page biography of Ruhi ("A Grandson of Baha'u'llah" I do not reccomend that you read it, it's an anti-Shoghi Effendi polemic, but he was a HELL of a writer. THe point is, there will be no shortage of arguments where we're going to be playing ball with one hand tied to our ankles due to lack of documents. Let's save our credit for the arguments where we need it. Rick Boatright 23:37, 7 Feb 2005 (UTC)

The photo[edit]

The more information we can get on the image the better since it makes a strong case for giving the image a seprate section which can be at the bottem of the page.Geni 16:28, 9 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Personally, I don't reckon you should start offering excuses for why Baha'u'llah looks the way he does in that passport photo (no-one looks good in passport photos, even when they haven't just been imprisoned) - it adds weight to the argument that we object to that photo because of how Baha'u'llah looks in it, which isn't the case at all. It's not that if we had a perfect photo of Baha'u'llah, Baha'is would be happy to let everyone see it, it is a combination of an attitude of reverence, and Baha'u'llah warnings about the potential for his image to become a focus for idol worship rather than God-worship - an Islamic type of attitude to representation of the Manifestation. PaulHammond 11:18, Feb 10, 2005 (UTC)

Baha'i Faith talk page[edit]

Hi Occamy,

I just spent an hour archiving the BF talk page - I hope you like what I've done. I didn't think there was much point reorganising previously archived comments, but there was a major need to cut down the size of the current page.

Actually, apart from letting you know that I've changed what you did out of courtesy, I'm really here to point you to Wikipedia:Refactoring, and Wikipedia:Talk page, which of course I just discovered after I'd done the work! PaulHammond 13:22, Feb 10, 2005 (UTC)

You know, after I just annoyed Refdoc, one of the more reasonable editors, and after experiencing the "hit and run" effect of ideologues using the issue of Baha'u'llah's photo as one more stick to beat their issues with, I am entirely tempted to go back to writing articles about Doctor Who and leave the controversies to those with a dog in this fight. PaulHammond 14:19, Feb 10, 2005 (UTC)

I note that Amir has gone back to putting in Baha'u'llah's photo in the Baha'i Faith article (talk page consensus was that it didn't belong there, but did belong at Baha'u'llah), and to putting back controversial and slanted statements in the history section, when the length of the article, and talk-page discussion came up with consensus for putting the controversial details in the articles on the people, and using short summaries in the main article. All without comment on the talk page, and often as an anon user. I also note that Martin2000 hasn't made any contributions since I accused him of being Amir's sockpuppet! PaulHammond 14:44, Feb 10, 2005 (UTC)

Maybe we shouldn't spend so much time on the pages and take a long term view of it all. --Occamy 14:27, 10 Feb 2005 (UTC)

That sounds like a very sensible suggestion to me. --PaulHammond 17:45, Feb 10, 2005 (UTC)
My adivice would be to spend as much time on talk pages as posible. Disscuss every remoty contirversal edit. Belive me in the long term this by far the best option.Geni 17:59, 10 Feb 2005 (UTC)


Please be careful before you edit after a revert. At the moment theres a revert war going on so that a whole day's work is being removed and added. You're small edits halfway through may risk losing the whole day's worth of small edits (such as bolivia has 3% baha'i - didn't know that!). Recommend you use the revert tool [2]. -- Tomhab 10:46, 14 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Paul's wikibreak[edit]

Hi Occamy,

I'm going to do what I was joking about above - I've left a note of explanation on my user page. I'm in the midst of changes in my real life anyway, and yesterday I found myself getting angry with Refdoc, which isn't healthy. Drop me a note if there's any Requests for Comment on users or issues that you need my support or comments on, but other than that I expect to keep away from the Baha'i articles until after I've settled into my new job and home in mid-March. Cheers. PaulHammond 14:35, Feb 14, 2005 (UTC)

Please take a look at...[edit]

Bahá'u'lláh three wives - something I've compiled from other sections of stuff. Take a look at Bahá'u'lláh to see what changes I've made to the main article.

Comments? --Tomhab 01:24, 16 Feb 2005 (UTC)


Might want to watch yourself with the reverts. There is a 3 revert rule (3RR) - you get banned for a bit if you revert more than 3 times in 24 hours. You can also report people who break the 3RR on some admin page. -- Tomhab 01:05, 9 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I echo this. 3RR applies to everyone. Revert warring can lead to blocking the "warriors" and to page protection (invariably on the wrong version...) Refdoc 01:25, 9 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Baha'i Calendar question[edit]

Just wanting to refer the question to someone else:

Talk:Bahá'í calendar

As said there I'm not 100% sure -- Tomhab 09:56, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)

User talk:W778[edit]

I dropped a couple of notes there you might want to look at. Rick Boatright 16:33, 25 September 2005 (UTC)

Cypriot National Guard an unconstitutional institution[edit]

can you please give your sources(links to newspaper articles?) on the case of that young man who avoided conscription on solely legal grounds? Mavros 17:01, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

Baha'i elections[edit]

I look forward to debating these issues with you and striving to create an NPOV article. I'm afraid I don't share your uncritical view of the Baha'i electoral system; the prohibution on campaigning is part of the reason why elections are demonstrably information-poor and inefficient, which is also related to the issue of incumbency. AndrewRT 12:20, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

I realise I didn't respond to your previous comment on Baha'i elections. To be honest my efforts have been devoted to other less controversial topics - I find I get more satisfaction out of this than arguing about Baha'i stuff.
I will eventually come round to putting in my tu'p'orth on the Baha'i admin article. In essence my point is not about faults and problems with Baha'i systems but instead about acknowledging that different systems have different advantages and disadvantages. Not having nominations has many advantages, and you are right to point them out. But it also has disadvantages, and my hope is that Baha'is will become more ready to accept arguments about these without taking it as an attack.
I was very interested in your comment on Ali Nakhjavani's views, saying turnover will increase when information improves. Are you aware of any sources where I could use that quote (or one similar?) AndrewRT 17:40, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

Current edit war on Mirza Yahya[edit]

It is because certain persons do not want to face the fact that the Bab nominated Mirza as his successor and told him to complete the Bayan. As you can see, they want to get more and more and more picky about the sources. Did not Abdu'l himself state that Browne was an excellent scholar? I post a link, or source or statement and someone deletes it because they don't want to learn anything about the actual history, they just want to parrot whatever the HoJ says or something. Ok that's my rant for today :) Wjhonson 17:27, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

Request for comment[edit]

I need a second opinion on Talk:Siyyid Kázim Rashtí before I revert. Could you help? Cuñado Bahaitemplatestar.png - Talk 17:30, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

Bahai Faith[edit]

Do you think that the Bahai Faith is very similar to Islam, to be honest with before I started on Wikipedia, I never heard of Bahai Faith, and for a while I thought it was another sector of Islam as it has similar believes. The Bahai Faith is very close to Islam if you look at the two religions, The Bab was a Muslim so was Bahaullah. Abdullah Geelah 16:28, 11 August 2006 (UTC)


Hi Occamy, would you have any pictures of the World Centre that you have taken yourself that you could upload at on a free license? Regards, -- Jeff3000 04:33, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

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