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Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/China-related articles#Chinese equivalent for Template:Nihongo and Template:Nihongo2[edit]

Greetings! Could you please have a look at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/China-related articles#Chinese equivalent for Template:Nihongo and Template:Nihongo2? There's a discussion about creating a similar template for Chinese as there is already for the Japan-related articles (Template:Nihongo and Template:Nihongo2). I was wondering if you could help? Cheers! Jayaguru-Shishya (talk) 19:09, 25 April 2016 (UTC)

Shout-out at the monthly metrics meeting[edit]

Wanted to make you aware that you and your scripts were acknowledged and praised at the monthly WMF metrics meeting! Face-grin.svg MusikAnimal talk 19:32, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

  • Thanks for the heads up. Face-wink.svg-- Ohc ¡digame! 19:45, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
    • Check it out on YouTube :) (can't link due to blacklist). That's right where you come in, but scan back a minute or two to get the preface, which is that statistically, your work coupled with other tools are proving that Wikipedians are more "productive" today than in previous years. Cheers! MusikAnimal talk 22:47, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

Stylistic questions[edit]

Hi there,

Hoping you can give me the shortcut explanation for a couple things in this edit (i.e. what specifically in the several pages cited I should look for).

Delinking -- especially "elephants" in the lead. It's a pretty central subject in the article that isn't otherwise linked in the lead. WP:SEAOFBLUE, sure, but shouldn't that be addressed by rewording rather than just not linking to something? Similarly, NGO, but less central and not in a sea of blue.

Why change some of the "work" parameters in the citations to "publisher", but not others -- and for those changed, why omit the work parameter? According to the template documentation "The publisher is the company that publishes the work being cited. Do not use the publisher parameter for the name of a work (e.g. a book, encyclopedia, newspaper, magazine, journal, website). Not normally used for periodicals. Corporate designations such as "Ltd", "Inc" or "GmbH" are not usually included. Omit where the publisher's name is substantially the same as the name of the work (for example, The New York Times Co. publishes The New York Times newspaper, so there is no reason to name the publisher). " (emphasis mine).

This is seriously minor stuff, but I get concerned when I see tool-assisted stylistic edits that conflict with what I understand as best practices (either because something is amiss with the tool/its use or because I misunderstand something). Thanks. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 15:38, 2 May 2016 (UTC)

Your script now appears to be removing "publisher" data altogether now (eg this diff of Hard out Here). Surely that can't be intentional. Ibadibam (talk) 01:14, 6 August 2016 (UTC)

Ohc script (Jesus)[edit]

Hi there, Ohconfucius! I've got a question concerning your Ohc script. Whereas I completely agree that Jesus should be among the WP:OVERLINKed ones as the main character of the most wide-spread religion of the world, Christianity, there is now discussion at Talk:Mandaeism#A Wikilink for Jesus? about the issue. Could you please have a look and share your opinion? Thanks! Jayaguru-Shishya (talk) 22:18, 11 May 2016 (UTC)

File:Carrie Lam at Spanish National Day celebration, 2014.jpg listed for discussion[edit]


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Script fixes[edit]

Your script is "correcting" reference dates when they meet MOS:DATERET and MOS:DATEUNIFY. Specifically UTC dates are acceptable in refs. I'm also concerned it's dealing a little to harshly with overlinking in the case of UK counties. Blue Square Thing (talk) 14:05, 26 May 2016 (UTC)

OK - dates within references should be consistent. You've undone changes where they are either consistent (Leiston) or where the vast majority are UTC - the inconsistency is that the other should be changed (Beccles) as the mjority are UTC. Blue Square Thing (talk) 14:14, 26 May 2016 (UTC)
My reading of MOSNUM, but specifically MOS:DATEUNIFY, is that all publication dates should be of the same format, and all retrieval dates ditto. Where one reference contains day dates and another contains yyyy-mm-yy dates, these ought to be unified. This was certainly the case at Leiston before my edits. Regards, -- Ohc ¡digame! 22:15, 26 May 2016 (UTC)
Unified doesn't mean changing all the dates to the minority date style however. The implication is the opposite, change to the majority. Itlooks like a script simply acting to blindly change something - exactly the classic problem of scripts. Blue Square Thing (talk) 00:25, 27 May 2016 (UTC)

In order to[edit]

As an American writing on British topics, I find your script very useful. I'm not sure I agree, however, with always deleting occurrences of "in order to". It looks like this is based on a UK government style guide saying it's always redundant. But I found from this British source that it is a grammatically appropriate way to specify purpose. This seems more a style issue particular to that particular style guide than a local variety of English issue.--JFH (talk) 19:15, 30 May 2016 (UTC)

  • Thank you for your comments. I'm happy to learn you find my script(s) useful.

    I was advised by my friend Tony exactly to the effect that "in order to" is always redundant and in any event its use is in rapid decline universally. I'm not aware that the source may have been the British government, but I think that represents a powerful source that tends to support its removal, except when it is uttered in the context of a quote. Indeed the source you cite says that it appears more frequently in writing than in speech. In a publication that is universal and demands concise prose of good quality, I also feel it redundant and occasionally unfashionable. As to whether my "authorities" legitimise systematic removal or whether the use is mere stylistic preference, your challenge is the first on this script action. @Tony1: please could you chime in? -- Ohc ¡digame! 20:21, 30 May 2016 (UTC)

    • It's redundant about 95% of the time. I read one the other day and as usual automatically tested the clause without it, and realised ... aha, you do need the hated "in order" there. The proof of the overwhelming majority is in the surprise. I zap these little fly-spots whenever I see them (unless the test fails, of course). "They fail in order to collect the subsidy" ... "They fail to collect the subsidy"—that fails the test. But people just spatter "in order" everywhere, and it makes me want to do a German salute from the 1930s. The script, regrettably, would require human testing of these before saving, so I think on balance it's better not to include. Tony (talk) 02:10, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
Yeah, I get it, it probably does more good than harm. It made me do some research to confirm it's not a British thing, but I guess that's not a bad thing either. --JFH (talk) 02:51, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
Many thanks for the feedback. I just looked at the script, and it seems that I indeed referred to UK govt style guide. From the above example, I see that I'll need to remove from the script the action where it occurs in mid-sentence, but @Tony1: should I leave the removal where the sentence starts with "In order to"?-- Ohc ¡digame! 08:20, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
Good point, OC: sentence-initial ". In order to", "; in order to"; ") in order to"; "—in order to"; "– in order to"; "- in order to"; and ": in order to". I can't imagine how there could be even a small chance of ambiguity with a direct connection with the preceding verb. So these additions to the script would all be valuable. Tony (talk) 04:59, 3 June 2016 (UTC)

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Why did your "Script-assisted fixes" delink North Yorkshire and Lancashire in your edit to Bishop of Leeds? I don't see them linked elsewhere in the article, and it looks odd to have a list of counties some linked and some not. I've relinked them. PamD 11:13, 20 June 2016 (UTC)

  • The script is configured to unlink a county name when it is preceded by another linked term – which is more commonly the town or village to which it belongs. The principal reason is to de-fuse instances of WP:SEAOFBLUE in articles. Swathes of links in the same sentence are generally counter-intuitive in that they are rarely informative nor do they encourage clickthroughs. -- Ohc ¡digame! 11:35, 20 June 2016 (UTC)
  • Well I suggest that you need to manually over-ride your script in cases like this, where it's delinking alternate items in a perfectly reasonable list. You're responsible for your edits, and these aren't helpful. PamD 12:19, 20 June 2016 (UTC)
  • And I would also routinely link the county as well as the place name, deliberately, when identifying a location. Unlink the country, by all means, but have you any consensus for unlinking county names on this basis? Please stop unless you can show a consensus for this unlinking. PamD 12:20, 20 June 2016 (UTC)
  • When the location name is already linked, there is absolutely no reason for chain-linking the county immediately preceding it as well. To be honest with you, I had considering unlinking all the county names instead of just North Yorkshire and Lancashire. Face-wink.svg -- Ohc ¡digame! 12:27, 20 June 2016 (UTC)
  • OK, looking at a few FAs for buildings etc in UK, I note that countiess aren't linked where they immediately follow place names - in some cases Silverdale, Lancashire is a single link, in other cases it's Penwortham, Lancashire, and in others it's "Penwortham in the county of Lancashire". I'll change my own habit on that point. So the basic action of your script does indeed seem to follow consensus: but delinking half the items in a list was just wayward. Please watch your script to ensure you don't do that again. Thanks. PamD 16:10, 20 June 2016 (UTC)
  • I go further: unless English counties are of particular relevance, I delete them completely. Tony (talk) 07:53, 21 June 2016 (UTC)

And while you've been whizzing through Devon, I spotted three cases of unwanted de-linking: at Tetcott (where Uffculme was delinked), and at Iddesleigh and Holcombe Burnell (where the first instance of Devon in the text was delinked). Based on the above, I can understand how the first could have happened if done automatically without overview, but the other two remain puzzling.  —SMALLJIM  12:28, 7 July 2016 (UTC)

Script-assisted over-enthusiastic edits[edit]

Hallo, while most of the changes to Ashurst Wood were improvements, your script-assisted editing left two problems:

  1. while piping Mid Sussex (UK Parliament constituency) to hide the disambiguator, you didn't add back any wording to show it was a constituency, leaving the sentence as "which is mostly covered by the Mid Sussex."
  2. you removed capitals from the proper noun Independent Schools Inspectorate, which also broke a link to it in a reference.

I've fixed the article now. Just a heads-up on a couple of possible problems with the script (in particular I'd have thought that changing caps to lower case in identified publisher fields, or in links, was a bad idea). PamD 16:03, 28 June 2016 (UTC)

Hamilton, New Zealand[edit]

Why have you taken out several valid references and replaced ’ with '?Johnragla (talk) 19:42, 9 July 2016 (UTC)

  • The vast majority of the links removed were spam links or formatted as such. There is no value to the reader to linking CTC Aviation or 1953 Water Pollution Act in the way these were included in the article. If you intend to retain any for citation purposes, I would refer you to WP:CITE as to how to format these correctly. Regards, -- Ohc ¡digame! 19:48, 9 July 2016 (UTC)
  • I've just tried them and 6 out of the 7 work fine, the exception being It seems to me that most, if not all, of the others are valid and useful, albeit not following WP:CITE. Rather than deleting them and leaving their statements uncited, is it not possible for you to distinguish between those that work and those that don't and, using automatic citation in visual editing, reformat them correctly?Johnragla (talk) 11:29, 10 July 2016 (UTC)
(talk page stalker) Johnragla, see WP:ELPOINTS, number 2. Also see MOS:QUOTEMARKS, "Reasons to prefer straight quotation marks and apostrophes", for the reason that the quotation marks and apostrophes were changed. – Jonesey95 (talk) 01:49, 10 July 2016 (UTC)
  • Thank you. Confirms my prejudice that there are good reasons for not using Internet Explorer!Johnragla (talk) 11:29, 10 July 2016 (UTC)

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Broken script[edit]

Hi - your script edit here left a broken piped link (mining|mines) - you may want to check your script if you haven't already fixed it. Optimist on the run (talk) 17:34, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

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with respect[edit]

is there any conceivable reason why engvarB is being imposed upon Au subjects/topics? franglais perversity? JarrahTree 11:55, 22 July 2016 (UTC)

  • none at all. Kindly refer to script documentation. -- Ohc ¡digame! 12:14, 22 July 2016 (UTC)
    • If I read - there are numerous Australian topics subjects and articles that have had engvar B applied where they really should have Use Australian English then JarrahTree 12:21, 22 July 2016 (UTC)
      • Yes but the script doesn't drill down sufficiently according to the various intricacies of the Australian code, but merely targets those words which are common to all the varieties of non-American english according to my understanding. "{{EngvarB}}", whilst starting off life as a "British" script, was never meant to be nationalistic any more than to understand the differences between British and American English as far as WP:ENGVAR was concerned. It's now the blanket template for the script action because it's otherwise too complicated to implement. I would prefer a wholly code-neutral name but the project has been going on for some time and it's become too complicated to change. If it is of any consolation to you, there are other users who now go around with a bot to change these to {{use Australian English}} where appropriate. You may already have seen this in some articles. In time, they will get around to that article if you left the EngvarB tag unchanged. -- Ohc ¡digame! 09:37, 23 July 2016 (UTC)
Thank you so much to take the time to explain - I see what sort of beast the whole engvar thing is, and really in the end, no big deal. I can see what it is all about, and will leave you in relatively unhindered peace, albeit a somewhat complex one if I suspect where you must be in residence, I promise I wont use any words of any of the issue raising languages you must have to bear - thanks again for taking the time. cheers JarrahTree 09:43, 23 July 2016 (UTC)
        • merde! - there in front of me on my watchlist, western australian places with engvar B again, oh well the likelihood of finding a bot or awb enthusiast in the current australian project area is hard - we are in cold snap at the moment, theyre in front of heaters or tv, not on keyboard :) JarrahTree 00:09, 1 August 2016 (UTC)

Romanized Cantonese Tool[edit]

Hello Mr Ohconfucius,

Could you try This Cantonese Tool and tell me what you think of it? --JackonLee54 (talk) 09:49, 3 August 2016 (UTC)

You have no comments? --JackonLee54 (talk) 23:13, 4 August 2016 (UTC)
  • I am really impressed that you were able to develop such a tool, which I think might be very useful for people to learn Cantonese. I actually know very little about Yale, but I tried out the tool using paragraphs from two zh.wp articles. I suspect there may be some minor bugs with the phoneticisation, but really dare not comment anymore at the risk of demonstrating my total ignorance of the subject; what's more, the diacritics mean absolutely nothing to me. I will try using the tools with other articles, firstly to work out how Yale works and then to try evaluating the tool. I will let you know if I come across anything certain. Regards, -- Ohc ¡digame! 11:38, 5 August 2016 (UTC)
What do you think of this Penkyamp tool? Do you think it is a more accurate portrayal of Cantonese (when compared to Yale Romanized Cantonese)? --JackonLee54 (talk) 06:32, 14 August 2016 (UTC)

Names of the functional constituencies[edit]

Hey Ohconfucius, thanks for your contributions and it has been very pleasant working with you. But I just want to raise a question about the names of the functional constituencies, for example the Commercial (First) or District Council (Second) FCs are actually the official names so I think we should better leave them instead of changing them to 1st Commercial or 2nd District Council. Lmmnhn (talk) 21:12, 6 August 2016 (UTC)

Voitto Hellsten/Hellstén[edit]

Hi! Please have a say at this talk page and please take a look at available sources. Best of wishes/Vänliga hälsningar/Kunnioittaen!--Paracel63 (talk) 20:21, 7 August 2016 (UTC)

👍 Like I've sent a note to, and they will look into the issue with the accent with their data provider.--Paracel63 (talk) 13:08, 8 August 2016 (UTC)

Script - changing upper case to lower case[edit]

Hi, I noticed a couple of little errors your script made:

  • Changed "The Texas Chain Saw Massacre" to "The Texas Chain Saw massacre"
  • Changed "Businessman" to "businessman".
  • Changed "Businesswoman" to "businesswoman".
  • Changed "Chef" to "chef".

Thought you might like to know. Otherwise keep up the great work! anemoneprojectors 09:33, 16 August 2016 (UTC)

Texas Chain Saw Massacre is now a string protected in my script, and there ought not to be any further changes to this wherever these may appear. As to the down casing inside info boxes, I have had some problems with sporadic down casing of professions and occupations, and I have now added a new line of regex to try and make this more uniform. Regards, -- Ohc ¡digame! 14:37, 16 August 2016 (UTC)

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