I have great difficulty in distinguishing the different shades of blue in your EOC map. Would it be better to use different colours, now that red is no longer reserved for a different communion? I am unsure, for instance, about the shade you have assigned to Albania, which certainly seems too dark. The EOC article's "around 25% out of a 40% Christian population" surely means about 10% of the total population. To be more exact, the article Religion in Albania says that the 2011 census put the Albanian Orthodox at 6.75%. How inaccurate are the other figures? Esoglou (talk) 09:08, 16 December 2012 (UTC)
- For all countries other than Egypt, Turkey and the Czech Republic (which belong to the new category I invented, tiny-but-autocephalous), I took the colours directly from the old pan-Orthodox map and did not check the numbers. Thus, any mistakes in my map are simply carried over from the old map, so we should correct them on both maps when we find them (I don't seem to be able to edit SVG files, though, so I can't edit the old map).
- I suppose we could use another colour instead of blue. Which one would you suggest? Red, or something else? Ohff (talk) 09:13, 16 December 2012 (UTC)
- You could use all the colours of the rainbow if necessary, but half should be more than enough. For instance, you could have red, perhaps in clearly distinct shades, as the most intense, followed by orange, followed by yellow, ... You can doubtless yourself find better examples than these: 1, 2 and, for gradations, 3 or, simpler, 4. Esoglou (talk) 14:07, 16 December 2012 (UTC)
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- Thank you! I'm not sure I have an opinion on it, but thank you for bringing it to my attention. Ohff (talk) 08:07, 4 March 2015 (UTC)
Thank you for your recent edits in the Ecumenical Patriarch articles.
- I'm glad I could help! I love fixing details that usually get overlooked in the rush to edit. Ohff (talk) 00:03, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
I saw your edit on Patriarch Stephen I of Antioch as an Arian bishop. There are a number of bishops like Stephen, who I planned to label as part of the Great Church even though they were theologically Arian. They were people who seemed to be working with in the Great Church as an organisation and not part of separate all-Arian group. Most of these Great Church Arians (I expect) would be bishops serving before the Great Church made a definative stand against Arianism (as Stephen was). tahc chat 05:49, 16 November 2015 (UTC)
- Hmmm... I didn't know you were labeling bishops based on their membership (or lack thereof) in the Great Church, as opposed to their theological stance. I changed the designation for Stephen I of Antioch in particular because he is known exclusively for his support of Arianism (that is to say, everything that makes him notable is directly related to his Arianism). But the same could probably be said of many other Great Church bishops of that period. With a few exceptions, most Arians in the 4th century remained part of the Great Church and tried to make it Arian, rather than separating themselves from it. So, as long as we're designating people based on organizational membership, you're right. Stephen I of Antioch should be designated as "Great Church". I'll go change it back. Ohff (talk) 19:51, 17 November 2015 (UTC)
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What we need to do ...
Is bother historians until they come up with a phrase they all agree on to cover the stupid thing. I admire your desire for standardization but ... it's going to be impossible to find. (I'm also serious about the Baptist problem - there are not formal Baptist offices like bishops/deacons/etc. But ya'll can figure that one out later... I don't have a horse in that race.) Ealdgyth - Talk 01:54, 26 November 2015 (UTC)
- I suspect the reason we don't already have a name for it is ecclesiastical POV: Catholics insist on referring to the entire pre-1054 Church as Catholic, while the Eastern Orthodox insist on referring to it as Orthodox. And since the Catholic perspective dominates sources about medieval Christianity in the West and the Orthodox perspective dominates sources talking about the East, what you get is that authors basically extend the two labels anachronistically back in time, with medieval Anglo-Saxon bishops becoming "Catholic" and medieval Bulgarian bishops becoming "Eastern Orthodox" (for example). Present-day divisions have created an imaginary division in the way we talk about the past. Ohff (talk) 02:03, 26 November 2015 (UTC)
- Oh, and I agree with you about the Baptist problem too... But I'm not worried about it, since this is just a succession box parameter we're talking about. What will happen is simply that the Baptist parameter will go unused, and then eventually someone will remove it. Ohff (talk) 02:06, 26 November 2015 (UTC)