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Balfour Declaration GOCE Copy-Edit[edit]


CfD nomination of Category:People of Arab nationality[edit]

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Request for Comment[edit]

Onceinawhile. There is a WP:RfC on the Talk-Page of the article Husan. Please feel free to respond.Davidbena (talk) 05:18, 18 June 2017 (UTC)

AfD[edit]

See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of annexations since World War II -- PBS (talk) 12:47, 16 July 2017 (UTC)

Nomination of Donald Trump's handshakes for deletion[edit]

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DYK nomination of Donald Trump's handshakes[edit]

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DYK for Donald Trump and handshakes[edit]

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Thank you for creating Donald Trump and handshakes!Zigzig20s (talk) 10:01, 8 September 2017 (UTC)

Nomination of Donald Trump and handshakes for deletion[edit]

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Donald Trump and handshakes is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

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Balfour Declaration FAC comments and edits[edit]

Hello, Onceinawhile – Thank you for your very kind comment at the FAC page. I was sorry to see that the nomination was archived without any decision made, but at least you can re-nominate Balfour Declaration in a few weeks. That will give you time to work on it.

[moved article comments to Wikipedia:Peer review/Balfour Declaration/archive2]

 – Corinne (talk) 03:18, 14 September 2017 (UTC)

Re:Balfour Declaratiom[edit]

Greetings.
I would surely to give some comments in the peer review. But currently for this week I am a little busy, and I would review it after this week. RRD (talk) 03:53, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

Some things to look out for in refining prose[edit]

Hello, Onceinawhile – I saw your comment at the Wikipedia:Peer review/Balfour Declaration/archive2#Comment from nominator. I do not participate in FA reviews, but I thought these things might help you to refine the prose and formatting in this and future articles:

  • Avoid using the same word in close proximity (and this includes different forms of the same verb); if you see any, try to substitute a synonym for one of them;
  • look for repetition of the same sentence structure, particularly in consecutive sentences; if you see this, try to vary the sentence structure;
  • see if there are any adjective clauses in which the verb is the verb to be and either a past participle (studied, seen) or a present participle (studying, seeing) ("which is", "which was", "which were", "that is", "that was", "that were", "who is", "who was", "who were") that could be reduced to a participial phrase (i.e., by removing "which is", etc.) without losing meaning or clarity;
  • as you read from the beginning to the end of the article, see that each sentence flows smoothly and clearly from the sentence before it, as much as possible; if you detect any significant conceptual breaks, particularly within a paragraph, try to make the connection clearer; this is often accomplished with:
  • using a transitional word or phrase at the beginning of a sentence;
  • repeating a key word or phrase from the previous sentence; or
  • adding a missing detail;
  • making sure the date format is consistent throughout the article;
  • making sure the spelling for the selected variant of English is consistent;
  • making sure the dashes are consistent (see MOS:DASH): use either a spaced en-dash or an unspaced em-dash, but consistently;
  • look out for weasel words and Words to watch and substitute better words;
  • avoid using contractions (isn't, didn't) – write the words out in full;
  • write out acronyms in full the first time they are mentioned, with the acronym in parentheses after the full name; thereafter, the acronym can be used;
  • in image captions, be sure not to put a period/full stop at the end if it is not a complete sentence, unless the caption contains more than one phrase, with each ending in a period/full stop; and
  • use the blockquote template {{quote|.....}} for quotes of about 40 words or more (see MOS:QUOTE).

I hope this is helpful.  – Corinne (talk) 17:25, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

    • Replying to Corinne's ping: sure, this is helpful advice, and you're welcome to highlight and link it. But note that, depending on what "proximity" and "sentence structure" mean, it wouldn't be unreasonable for someone to say that this advice violates its first two points in many places. I think this advice is well-written, so perhaps the first two points could be made clearer. - Dank (push to talk) 23:39, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for your thoughts, Dank. I see what you mean: for example, using the phrase "sentence structure" twice in the same point. However, do you think the fact that this is not really an essay but a list of suggestions makes it a little different? I'll work on it, though, to minimize repetition. Where would Onceinawhile link this, when I've finished going over it?  – Corinne (talk) 01:26, 21 September 2017 (UTC)
I guess I'm just saying that it's hard to give advice that general that people don't wind up misusing ... unless they knew it in the first place. - Dank (push to talk) 01:32, 21 September 2017 (UTC)
Again ... I'm not knocking your first two points, I just think that the readers who need the advice the most will understand it the least. There's nothing wrong with repeating the words "verb", "which", "sentence", "sure", etc., if they need to be repeated. Other words probably shouldn't be repeated (particularly if the same word or even the same root is used in different senses). It's hard to teach this stuff, or even understand it. - Dank (push to talk) 02:00, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

Balfour[edit]

Thanks for your reply on my user space page! Do you wish to continue the conversation there or should I move it to the talk page for Balfour_Declaration or the Wikipedia:Featured_article_candidates page? The page is very good as it is, the small flaws I believe I have detected should not detract from that! ImTheIP (talk) 09:55, 4 October 2017 (UTC)

JP article[edit]

Obviously not a reliable source for history, but interesting anyway: http://www.jpost.com/Jerusalem-Report/British-Pride-Lord-Balfour-discusses-his-great-uncles-declaration-505824 . Zerotalk 00:09, 9 October 2017 (UTC)

@Zero0000: that’s interesting, thanks for sharing. I remember he wrote to the NYT earlier this year as well. Most of the coverage appeared to report only one side of his comments, despite the fact that he is clearly trying to be balanced.
With all the public discussion on this topic in the build up to the centenary, it is a shame to see the two sides still talking past one another. 100 years later and the two narratives on the event are still so far apart. I hope our article does a good job at being truly balanced.
By the way, while you’re here I have a quick question for you that I’ve been mulling over. Dank posted an interesting challenge at the FAC, on whether the BD really is the “origin” of the conflict. Many scholars believe it is, because it supercharged Zionism to such an extent, sending it on a collision course. But on the other hand, who knows what would have happened without it, and “supercharging” is not the same as “creating”.
”Origin” is definitely sourceable to RS, but perhaps there’s a better word? Onceinawhile (talk) 07:53, 9 October 2017 (UTC)
Re sourcing. Is this in the article? Efraim Halevy,Balfour 100 | ‘Mack’: Aaron Aaronsohn, the NILI intelligence network and the Balfour Declaration Fathom Summer / 2017 (I followed up the JP article). My only personal reaction to it was that this stuff is untimely, given Erdogan's return to Ottoman ambitions, and the potential implications for the Jewish community in Turkey.
As to 'origins', no historical event can have a single originating factor. History is conjunctural, a crystallization of interlocking elements, though singularities can can turn nudge to shove. BD fertilized or sowed further seed into a project, but only post-WW2 American and European willingness to wash their hands of their responsibilities for the Holocaust created the 1947 sine qua non, fore the simple reason that at that latter date only 6% of the land was in Zionist hands, and war was necessary to complete the project of a national territorial base.Nishidani (talk) 08:01, 9 October 2017 (UTC)

Precious[edit]

Palestine

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Thank you for quality articles around Palestine, such as preparing Balfour Declaration for a timely mainpage appearance, for Criticism of the Israeli government, Timeline of the name "Palestine" and Kadesh inscriptions, for improving the timeline of Jerusalem, - once in while it needs to be said: you are an awesome Wikipedian!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:20, 2 November 2017 (UTC)


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In recognition of your diligently tenacious pursuit of scholarly purpose, erudition and method in driving the Balfour Declaration article through to the outstanding quality we have today, in the face of intransigent obtusity and obstructive nescience.

Awarded by Nishidani (talk) 20:34, 2 November 2017 (UTC)


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For your Herculean efforts in bringing the Balfour Declaration to FA status, well done! Huldra (talk) 20:59, 4 November 2017 (UTC)

Jewish and Arab-owned regions in mandatory Palestine[edit]

Why aren't you accepting the sources that back up the edit? We already have consensus on the talk page that the map needs to include both Jewish and Arab lands in order to not be misleading. Dank Chicken (talk) 22:34, 23 November 2017 (UTC)

Unless you answer on the template talk page in the forseeable future, I'll revert to my edit. Dank Chicken (talk) 16:08, 25 November 2017 (UTC)

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Jerusalem revert[edit]

I left a message to you at Talk:Jerusalem#Notes. --Triggerhippie4 (talk) 10:42, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

DYK for Mausoleum of Abu Huraira[edit]

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Alex Shih (talk) 00:01, 11 December 2017 (UTC)

Balfour Declaration revert[edit]

@Onceinawhile: Regarding your note.

"You might read the third of these again - the “Jordan is Palestine” trope seems to have come up again in one of your comments."
The notion that "Jordan is Palestine" is not a "trope" if one is talking about the period in which Palestine was being organized into a definitive, defined territory under British mandate. There are ample sources to back it up.
1. See, for instance, Article 25 of the 1922 Palestine Mandate document (also referred to in the Trans-Jordan Memorandum):
"In the territories lying between the Jordan and the eastern boundary of Palestine as ultimately determined..."
This is a clear indication that the Jordan River was not, as yet, seen as the eastern boundary of Palestine, and that Palestine was seen as including land beyond the Jordan.
2. See also the terminology used in the Interim Report on the Civil of Administration of Palestine, during the period 1st July, 1920 - 30th June, 1921.
"Included in the area of the Palestine Mandate is the territory of Trans-Jordania."
"When Palestine west of the Jordan was occupied by the British Army...", which implies that Palestine includes territory east of the Jordan.
3. See further the Palestine Order in Counicil, August 22, which explicitly citing Trans-Jordan as a territory of Palestine, while making distinction for administrative purpose. https://unispal.un.org/DPA/DPR/unispal.nsf/0/C7AAE196F41AA055052565F50054E656
"This Order In Council Shall Not Apply To Such Parts Of The Territory Comprised In Palestine To The East Of The Jordan And The Dead Sea As Shall Be Defined By Order Of The High Commissioner."
4. See further the British White Paper of June 1922, regarding the British pledge for Arab independence:
"The whole of Palestine west of the Jordan was thus excluded from Sir. Henry McMahon's pledge."
A clear indication that Palestine did include territory EAST of the Jordan.
5. See further pg. 28 of the 1937 British royal Report on Palestine:
"...Abdullah, had become Emir of the part of historic Palestine east of the Jordan which was allotted under the name of Trans-Jordan to the area of Arab independence, in accordance with the "McMahon Pledge"".
http://biblio-archive.unog.ch/Dateien/CouncilMSD/C-495-M-336-1937-VI_EN.pdf
6. The actual fixing of a boundary within the Palestine Mandate was as an ADMINISTRATIVE division, between the area to be granted for Arab indepndence and the area in which the Jewish National Home was to be established.
See, thus pg. 38 of the above report:
"The field in which the Jewish National Home was to be established was understood, at the time of the Balfour Declaration, to be the whole of historic Palestine, and the Zionists were seriously disappointed when Trans-Jordan was cut away from that field under Article 25. This was done, as has been seen, in obedience to the McMahon Pledge, which was antecedent to the Balfour Declaration."
7. See further in that regard the Report on Palestine Administration, 1922.
https://unispal.un.org/DPA/DPR/unispal.nsf/0/A682CABF739FEBAA052565E8006D907C
"Following a memorandum presented by His Majesty's Government in September to the League of Nations, a resolution was passed by the Council of the League to exclude Transjordan from the Articles of the Mandate which concern the Holy Places and the measures to be taken in concert with the Jewish Agency for the establishment of a Jewish National Home.
The Order in Council also contains a provision that it shall not apply to the Transjordan territory."
8. See further the explanation of Herbert Samuel for the reason behind the administrative separation between Palestine and Transjordan, i.e. in order to satisfy both the Balfour Declaration and promises made to Hussein for Arab independence.
https://www.jta.org/1936/12/20/archive/sir-herbert-samuel-explains-separation-of-palestine-transjordan
Some relevant maps:
1. A map of Palestine from 1901 showing territory in Transjordan included in the area of Palestine. http://www.britishempire.co.uk/images2/palestinemap1901.jpg
2. See also the map of Palestine in the 1911 Edition of Encyclopedia and the text of the article regarding bounndaries.
https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/1911_Encyclop%C3%A6dia_Britannica/Palestine
"Eastward there is no such definite border. The River Jordan, it is true, marks a line of delimitation between Western and Eastern Palestine; but it is practically impossible to say where the latter ends and the Arabian desert begins."
3. A British Cabinet map from 1921, showing Palestine incorporating some area beyond the Jordan.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f6/Middle_East_in_1921%2C_UK_Government_map%2C_Cab24-120-cp21-2607.jpg
4. A map presented by T.E. Lawrence at 1918, showing a thin sliver of Trans-Jordanian territory included in Palestine.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/52/Lawrence_of_Arabia%27s_map%2C_presented_to_the_Eastern_Committee_of_the_War_Cabinet_in_November_1918.jpg
Please let me know if you require more references in support of the fact that during the period in question Palestine WAS seen as including Trans-Jordanian territory, and that the establishment of a boundary at the Jordan River was an administrative boundary within Mandatory Palestine demarcating the area of the Jewish National Home from the autonomous Arab territory in Transjordan.
Jacob D (talk) 16:43, 9 January 2018 (UTC)Jacob D
I have commented at your talk page. Onceinawhile (talk) 22:31, 9 January 2018 (UTC)