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This is the page for messages directed to me. Kindly place your message at the bottom, and I'll try to reply soon. --Opus33

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Category:Mozart in fiction[edit]

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Done. Opus33 (talk) 00:19, 2 November 2015 (UTC)

Are you following me?[edit]

Please adhere to the rules and don't undo all improvements.--Meister und Margarita (talk) 16:58, 16 September 2015 (UTC)

OED Definition for "Symphony"[edit]

I would like your help tracking down which edition of the OED you used for our article on "Symphony". You used an online edition with definition 5d. I found both symphony def 1.2 and symphony orchestra, but neither had the def 5d you reference. Can you provide me with the URL to the edition you are using? (I'll watch this page for your reply, so you can answer here.) - DutchTreat (talk) 09:39, 30 September 2015 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) the online ones you quote are at best ODE or some variant rather than the OED itself. The latter is usually subscription only but weirdly I seem to be able to see this without logging in (erm - sometimes) - I am not sure why as I usually have to use a library login at the OED. So maybe you can also see it on that link; otherwise, 5 is "Music" and 5d says:
  • 5d. ellipt. for ‘symphony orchestra’.
    • 1926 P. Whiteman & M. M. McBride Jazz xiv. 287 The unknown composer has to pay to get his compositions played by a good symphony.
    • 1934 S. R. Nelson All about Jazz v. 87 Symphony work, although of the highest ton, is not very lucrative, and most players have additional sources of income.
    • 1968 Globe & Mail (Toronto) 17 Feb. 23/4 The former manager of the Vancouver Symphony.
    • 1977 Times 23 Apr. 11/3 The seven arias skimpily supported by the Barcelona Symphony.
hope this helps, best wishes DBaK (talk) 13:26, 30 September 2015 (UTC)
Thanks a lot, DBaK, this is indeed the entry I meant. I hope this works for you, DT. Opus33 (talk) 15:08, 30 September 2015 (UTC)
Wonderful, DBaK and Opus33! Exactly what I was looking for. I don't have access to that link for the OED since it's behind a paywall, but I'll still use it for those that do. Thank you both. - DutchTreat (talk) 09:26, 1 October 2015 (UTC)

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Template:Adam and Eve[edit]

Thanks for paying attention to the use of Template:Adam and Eve. As a non-theologan, creating this new template was no small endeavor and I would appreciate any further feedback you might have on its content or use.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 20:17, 1 November 2015 (UTC)

Dear Tony, Your collection of cultural references to Adam and Eve is huge (impressively so), and it is sort of overwhelming in a article like The Creation (Haydn), for which all these references are at best marginally relevant. I suggest rechanneling this research effort into one of two possible directions: (a) perhaps an article on cultural references to Adam and Eve? (b) perhaps a category about them. I hope this helps. Yours very truly, Opus33 (talk) 00:17, 2 November 2015 (UTC)

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dates[edit]

Hi, I'm mystified as to why you'd want dmy dates in an American article. Americans object, and I wouldn't dare go against that. There was a practical resolution to the issue many years ago, which seems to work well. The only issues arise when there's, say, British–US citizenship. Tony (talk) 11:18, 21 December 2015 (UTC)

Mozart[edit]

Regarding this edit of yours, your edit summary was as follows: "I'm really leery of accepting a large number of edits from the same editor, some of patently dubiously quality, all at once. Please discuss them on the talk page first." The edits were not made all at once, but rather over the course of four hours, using separate edit summaries for separate edits. I can see now that those four hours would have been better spent doing just about anything. In future, when an editor replaces "citation needed" tags with reliable references, I would advise you not to revert unless you have an actual reason. At this point, my best course of action is apparently to avoid the articles in which you take an interest, which I hope you will appreciate. I am really leery about using that article talk page to beg for permission to replace "citation needed" tags with reliable references, and to otherwise answer a revert of patently dubious quality. Cheers.Anythingyouwant (talk) 00:25, 6 February 2016 (UTC)

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Precious anniversary[edit]

Four years ago ...
music of the classical period
... you were recipient
no. 81 of Precious,
a prize of QAI!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:41, 3 April 2016 (UTC)

Thank you, Gerda. Opus33 (talk) 18:39, 3 April 2016 (UTC)

Austro-Turkish War (1787–91)[edit]

I removed the Maynard Solomon source, since he is not an historian nor does he have any specialization in the time period in question. If you wish for the information in question to remain, I would suggest finding a reliable source. --Kansas Bear (talk) 04:11, 5 April 2016 (UTC)

Thank you for your courteous reply. There seem to be two issues.
  • Appearance of Solomon's words in quotes, without any citation of him. This seemed like a scholarly crisis I ought to fix right away, so I did.
  • Credentials of Solomon. It's true he is not a military historian, but as a social historian of Vienna I think he's pretty well informed. He's certainly an award-winning scholar in his area.
For the moment I propose to leave Solomon in, and promise to poke around for additional sources in the next few days to shore things up. I hope this works for you.
Sincerely,
Opus33 (talk) 16:38, 5 April 2016 (UTC)
I have no problem waiting for you to find reliable sources, however, do you have proof that Solomon is a social historian? From what I could find Solomon is a music producer and has written popular biographies of classical musicians, which hardly qualifies him as a social historian. If the conditions in Austria were as Solomon states then I am quite sure there are academic historians that have written about this. --Kansas Bear (talk) 18:05, 5 April 2016 (UTC)

Haydn Symphony No. 94[edit]

It is also known as the "Symphony with the Drum Stroke" in English as well (so as to differentiate it with the E-Flat Symphony No. 103, or "Symphony with the Drum Roll"/ "Drum-roll Symphony").

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Images of The Creation[edit]

I love your image selection, especially the nightingale! Any leviathan? - What do you thing of nominating it for GA? - We just sang it in April, in an international collaboration ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:16, 21 June 2016 (UTC)

Thank you, Gerda. There is a Leviathan, look again! GA: oh gee, it's almost entirely unsourced an needs a million references; better to wait ... Wish I could sing The Creation again; seems unlikely though. Regards, Opus33 (talk) 22:29, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
Understand. Tell you a story. One of my choirs had wonderful sponsors, twin sisters without children who gave A LOT of their money to make our performances possible. When they turned 80, we assembled on the staircase to their apartment and sang "Stimmt an die Saiten" for them, who were moved to tears - and sang along from memory! (which they couldn't in choir at the time, - the group had some unwritten law that as a women you had to go at age 65. Now, with the conductor 60 himself, that's no longer obeyed ;) ) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:11, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
My conductor is over 80 but fortunately doesn't persecute the female players; we need them! Opus33 (talk) 03:46, 5 July 2016 (UTC)

Hoboken[edit]

Hi Opus33 - I'm too busy/lazy to edit the Hoboken article, but may I suggest: In addition to creation of the Haydn catalog, I'd say Hoboken's other major musicological contribution is being one of the creators of the Archiv für Photogramme musikalischer Meisterhandschriften. The others involved were Robert Haas and (somewhat nominally) Schenker. While that it an accomplishment in itself, Schenker considered himself the "spiritual" founder since he promulgated the use of composer's manuscripts and early editions whenever possible as a device in editing music, something he obviously communicated to Hoboken. Although Urtexts certainly existed in the 19th century, the 20th century trend is traceable to Schenker who made it a serious issue with his publisher, Universal-Edition. I found this article (Heinrich Schenker and the Photogram Archive) which discusses it from Schenker's point of view, but I bet there's something about Hoboken's participation, especially since Hoboken was tremendously wealthy at a time when Austria was experiencing serious inflation, his money provided the power to get things accomplished. Hope this helps. - kosboot (talk) 23:24, 4 July 2016 (UTC)

Argh; I see you already added much of the info. But just my point about the broader implications of the creation of the Archiv - that studying music manuscripts has become the standard practice when editing music. - kosboot (talk) 23:32, 4 July 2016 (UTC)
Thank you, Kosboot. I'll read that source, keep editing and try to get this across; I agree it is important. Regards, Opus33 (talk) 02:41, 5 July 2016 (UTC)
I was looking at German Wikipedia's article. It mentions that Hoboken studied with Otto Vrieslander. It doesn't mention that Vrieslander was a Schenker student, and probably one of the influences that led Hoboken to Schenker. - kosboot (talk) 11:20, 6 July 2016 (UTC)
Thank you. Opus33 (talk) 15:53, 6 July 2016 (UTC)