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Dyk100CE.svg The 100 DYK Creation and Expansion Medal
Well done for creating 100 Did You Knows and contributing to the DYK project. This is great way to show off new articles and you have created 100 of them. You, @Northamerica1000: and @ThaddeusB: join the club that includes @GaryColemanFan:, @Czar:, @Dravecky:, @Cirt: and @Wetman:. I am sure they will welcome you, but obviously they need to watch out as you make it first to 200. Thanks from the project, me and the wiki. Victuallers (talk) 12:12, 1 February 2016 (UTC)

DYK for Sisters High School (historic)[edit]

Harrias talk 00:01, 1 January 2015 (UTC)

Staryl C. Austin[edit]

  • Finetooth: I've added some new text to Staryl Austin article and broken it up into sections. Since you recently did some improvement work on that article, though you might want to take a look and make sure you're ok with changes.--Orygun (talk) 22:30, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
  • Thanks, Orygun. I was hoping you'd pop in and improve the article. You did, and I think it is much better. I went over it once more with a feather duster just now; nothing big. Finetooth (talk) 00:54, 31 January 2015 (UTC)

Hugh E. Conway[edit]

Hi Meno25. I saw your rating of the Hugh E. Conway article I uploaded yesterday. Can you tell me what I need to add (or change) to get it up to a C-Class article level? I thought it was a pretty comprehensive article, covering everything notable about the guy with good sources. I even tracked down hard-copy military documents to ensure all the facts were covered with solid sources. Would appreciate it if you’d take another look at the article and give me some feedback. Thanks!--Orygun (talk) 02:34, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

@Orygun: Hi. I am no expert on this subject. For more in depth review, please leave a message on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Economics. Thank you. --Meno25 (talk) 08:08, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

WikiProject Economics: Hi folks! I created an article on Hugh E. Conway, a labor economist and professor. It was initially given a START rating. I contacted Meno25, the editor who did the rating, for feedback on the article rating. He replied that he wasn’t an expert on the Wiki-Project areas that applied to that specific article so he suggested that I ask you folks for a re-assessment. While it isn’t a particularly long article, I think it covers Dr. Conway’s life/career pretty well. I even tracked down some hard-copy military documents to ensure all the facts had solid sources. Would someone from Wiki-Econ please take a second look at this article rating? Thanks!--Orygun (talk) 23:17, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

DYK for Hager Mountain[edit]

 — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:12, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

Request Article Review[edit]

Aboutmovies: I occasionally do articles outside scope of Wiki-Oregon. Recently, I created article on Hugh E. Conway, a labor economist and professor from back east. It was initially given a START rating. I contacted Meno25 (the editor who did the rating) for feedback. He replied that he wasn’t an expert on any of the Wiki-project areas that he rated and suggested that I contact Wiki-Econ group for a re-assessment. I did that, but didn’t get any reply. I believe you’re Wiki-Bio member which is another relevant Wiki-project for this article. Instead of leaving note on busy Wiki-Bio page, thought I’d see if you had few minutes to take second look at this article’s rating. While it’s not long, I think it’s pretty comprehensive and has good sources. Would you do Wiki-Bio rating re-assessment when you have time? Thanks!--Orygun (talk) 23:58, 15 February 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for re-assessing article!--Orygun (talk) 07:34, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

Sourcing question[edit]

When writing a bio article about an author or academician, are the books and articles written by the individual consider primary source documents or are they secondary sources based on the fact they are published works. How about the “About the Author” section that discusses the author’s background. Those sections usually have a lot of good info…e.g. where the individual is from, academic credentials, previous works the help establish bona fides, etc.--Orygun (talk) 20:48, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

I know of an example of a published author who faked many biography statements in his "about the author" sections of his writings, so we cannot assume that every such statement is reliable. On the other hand, for the typical academic author (the person I am referring is not a mainstream academic), I would ordinarily allow into Wikipedia article text any statement of the nature of "Author was born in ___ on ___" or "Author was educated at ___ and gained a degree in ____ in [year]" as worth of inclusion until proven wrong. Most authors don't cheat about stuff like that when they contribute a chapter to a collection of articles, for example. Statements by the author about the author are primary source documents in the usual case, not secondary sources about the author, and even in the case of those statements being published in another work, we can assume that usually they are passed on by the author without rigorous fact-checking by the volume editor or publisher. But that's a problem only rarely. Such statements can be rebutted by contrary statements from sources independent of the author, but can usually be trusted in the same way, and for the same purposes in editing Wikipedia article text, as statements from an author-controlled blog or other website. -- WeijiBaikeBianji (talk, how I edit) 21:25, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

Follow-up question[edit]

  • When including info about an author’s published works in a Wikipedia article, is an officially published book a valid secondary source that can be used to document basic info about the work and its author? For example, here’s an on-line version of a book published by National Defense University. Would this be an appropriate source to document Wikipedia text that said: “In 1996, Alan Gropman wrote a book on World War II logistics” in an article about Mr Gropman? It seems like this should be good secondary sources since it is formally published by independent third-party publishers.--Orygun (talk) 22:12, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
    • Orygun, usually these kinds of questions are best asked at WP:RSN, but the answer is easy: yes, you may use that type of a source, and also, you may use the source itself. The copyright page of a book is considered not merely "reliably", but also authoritative for information like the title, author, and date of publication. (The copyright page of the book can't tell you that said fact is WP:DUE; that's a consideration that independent sources are better at. Also, please not that WP:Secondary does not mean independent. Your source might be both secondary and independent, but it might also be primary and independent.) WhatamIdoing (talk) 21:51, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

Possible image for John Turner article[edit]

  • Saw your article on John Turner … nice work! I’ve been sitting on a John Turner draft for long time, but decided to see if I could get it published in history journal instead of uploading it to Wikipedia. During my research, I couldn’t find an image of Turner … which isn’t surprising. However, I did find an engraving published in 1860 of a mountain man fending off a grizzly. Since that image is now Public Domain, I modified it for use in Wikipedia. The modified image shows a mountain man waiving a torch and knife. Caption would read "John Turner defending his camp" (referring to his 1835 experience on the Rogue River). While it was not originally an image of Turner, the new version would highlight one on his life events in an 1860 publication format. Do you think a modified image would add or detract from to your article? Thought I’d ask before uploading the image.--Orygun (talk) 21:28, 1 March 2015 (UTC)
  • Yes, by all means. I don't think of it as my article, and any edits you make to it will be well received (it can use some help). Images are sometimes the best part of the encyclopedia. I would enjoy reading your paper when it is published. Geirfuglasker (talk) 22:33, 1 March 2015 (UTC)
  • Just uploaded image to article.--Orygun (talk) 01:47, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

DYK for Donald M. Kerr (conservationist)[edit]

Coffee // have a cup // beans // 00:02, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

DYK for Alfred H. Corbett[edit]

 — Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:30, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

DYK for C. W. E. Jennings[edit]

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 22:47, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

120+ year old photograph[edit]

  • A photo taken in the United States sometime before 1849 by an unknown photographer is now Public Domain since it was created over 120 years ago … right? If so, what is the correct media copyright tag to use?--Orygun (talk) 07:54, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
Was the image published or not. If it was published before 1923 in the US, then {{PD-1923}} applies but if it was only created then and never published {{PD-US-unpublished}} will most likely apply though there are some exceptions so you should refer to c:Commons:Copyright_rules_by_territory#United_States for some more detail. ww2censor (talk) 12:05, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
  • Thanks!--Orygun (talk) 02:38, 4 July 2015 (UTC)

Incomplete DYK nomination[edit]

Symbol question.svg Hello! Your submission of Template:Did you know nominations/Warner B. Snider at the Did You Know nominations page is not complete; see step 3 of the nomination procedure. If you do not want to continue with the nomination, tag the nomination page with {{db-g7}}, or ask a DYK admin. Thank you. DYKHousekeepingBot (talk) 00:56, 4 July 2015 (UTC)

  • Sorry to bother you, but I have same problem as editor above. I submitted DYK nomination for Warner B. Snider article, but I got this bot notice that it was incompleted. However, the nomination shows up on main DYK nomination page on 20 Jun, just like is should. How do I get bot notice turned off without cancelling or duplicating the existing DYK nomination?--Orygun (talk) 02:45, 4 July 2015 (UTC)
  • Crisco 1492 asked me about this, and I proposed my theory about what happened. Now that I look through the bot's contributions, I see that the erroneous notices (lots of them) were, indeed, sent to people whose nominations had titles late in the alphabet. MANdARAX  XAЯAbИAM 03:36, 4 July 2015 (UTC)
  • Me too! The nomination of Solenosmilia variabilis was made on the 25 June and the hook was approved the following day. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:01, 4 July 2015 (UTC)
  • I had this problem as well, but it sounds we can ignore it. Rjmail (talk) 13:47, 4 July 2015 (UTC)
  • So is Rjmail right...i.e. this is non-problem that can be ignored? Or will something bad happen (e.g. our DYK nomination being deleted) if we take no action?--Orygun (talk) 03:42, 5 July 2015 (UTC)
  • @Orygun: You don't have to take any action. Even when this bot operates normally, it only serves to notify you that your nomination is not completed. This normally would mean your nomination isn't visible on the template talk page for DYK, but as others have noted, it appears to have malfunctioned as a result of a recent change. The bot has just delivered an incorrect notification; it will not delete or remove your DYK nom. ~ RobTalk 04:40, 5 July 2015 (UTC)
  • I think I've fixed the bot code. I'm traveling at the moment, will be able to take a closer look in ~18 hours. Mandarax's theory was correct, it's the same as the issue above. Shubinator (talk) 13:04, 5 July 2015 (UTC)

DYK for Warner B. Snider[edit]

Gatoclass (talk) 00:01, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

DYK for Joseph Goldsborough Bruff[edit]

Gatoclass (talk) 11:19, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

Petroglyph image[edit]

Ipoellet...About a year ago, I told you I'd try to get photo image for the Abert Lake Petroglyphs article you started. Finally, got down that way and took petroglyph photo. Thought I'd let you know I just uploaded it to article.--Orygun (talk) 23:35, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

Fantastic! Thank you! — Ipoellet (talk) 00:20, 8 September 2015 (UTC)

DYK for William H. Warner[edit]

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 12:02, 9 September 2015 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Lava Fire and Barry Point Fire[edit]

Please see Template:Did you know nominations/Lava Fire. Another reviewer believes you should have reviewed two DYK nominations instead of one. I have looked at WP:QPQ, and it all depends on what is meant by "nomination". Unless you can dispute the interpretation, I think you had better do another review and add a link to it. Moonraker (talk) 02:21, 23 September 2015 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done Thanks for the heads-up. I’ve now done a second review on Tarn-et-Garonne.--Orygun (talk) 02:59, 23 September 2015 (UTC)

Oregon fire articles[edit]

Thank you for working on these articles recently. They are great additions to the project! ---Another Believer (Talk) 04:29, 30 September 2015 (UTC)

Heads-up[edit]

I’m not member of Wiki-Bio, but I noticed a major deletion on your assessment request page … see assessment page edit history. It looks like when Mundugumor added review request on 26 Sep, the entry inadvertently deleted about a dozen other pending article assessment requests.--Orygun (talk) 20:35, 30 September 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, Orygun, I've fixed it now. 1bandsaw (talk) 22:12, 30 September 2015 (UTC)

DYK for Lava Fire[edit]

Thanks for helping with the DYK project Victuallers (talk) 07:47, 9 October 2015 (UTC)

DYK for Barry Point Fire[edit]

Thanks for helping with the DYK project Victuallers (talk) 07:47, 9 October 2015 (UTC)

Trout Creek Mountains TFA[edit]

This article was recently promoted to featured status, and I have nominated it to appear as Today's Featured Article (TFA) on the Main Page. You can also view the nomination at the TFA page here. Jsayre64 (talk) 00:27, 21 October 2015 (UTC)

  • Wow...another Feature Article for Wiki-Oregon! While few people have actually visited the Trout Creek Mts, they are very interesting place. Really glad you took the time to upgrade that article...and nominated it for FA headline on Main Page.--Orygun (talk) 02:41, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
    • Thank you. I'm very interested in the topic. So I'd expect it to be on the Main Page in either November or December, once the date is set. Jsayre64 (talk) 15:51, 21 October 2015 (UTC)

DYK for Crane Mountain[edit]

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 12:01, 28 October 2015 (UTC)

DYK for East Lake Abert Archeological District[edit]

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 12:01, 21 December 2015 (UTC)

Happy New Year[edit]

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Wishing you the very best in 2016 Finetooth (talk) 19:20, 31 December 2015 (UTC)

  • Thanks ... same for you!--Orygun (talk) 03:21, 5 January 2016 (UTC)

DYK for Ben Musa[edit]

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 12:01, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

Wiki-Oregon upgrades to High importance[edit]

The next 2 bullets were imported from the Wiki-Oregon talk page.

Now that the Top discussion is wrapping up, time to move on to the High category. On this one, we are around 400 articles off our artificial goal. Since we had about eight editors participate, if we all just go through the Mid and Low categories and randomly move up 50 based on the criteria already outlined and mixed with some personal opinions, that would get us about there, or close enough. So go forth and move some up. You don't have to do 50, and you did not have to vote or have participated in the above discussion. Aboutmovies (talk) 19:00, 8 January 2016 (UTC)

  • I did title-review of all Mid importance articles this weekend, and only found 35 I thought were upgrade candidates. I've posted them on bottom of my User page for anyone who's interested. While I'm sure I missed some, I don't think there's anywhere near 400 articles worthy of upgrade. Think we need to be careful we don't upgrading articles that aren't worthy of High importance rating. I'll wait week/so before I change any article ratings to High just in case anyone has a problem with any of my picks...just leave me note on my talk page.--Orygun (talk) 23:19, 11 January 2016 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done...the Wiki-Oregon articles below were upgraded to High based on above discussion.--Orygun (talk) 23:44, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

  • Mid to High upgrades:

Snake River, Three Sisters (Oregon), Champoeg Meetings, Edith Green, Harry D. Boivin, Henry W. Corbett, Henry Pittock, Lewis A. McArthur, James Nesmith, Oregon Maneuver, Robert Gray (sea captain), Bonneville Dam, Deschutes River (Oregon), Frances Fuller Victor, Chief Joseph, Oregon Geographic Names, Oregon Steam Navigation Company, Oswald West, Historic Columbia River Highway, John Strong Newberry, Oregon Attorney General, Oregon Blue Book, Oregon Historical Society, Oregon Secretary of State, Oregon State Treasurer, Peter Skene Ogden, Pioneer Courthouse, Thomas Condon, Warm Springs Indian Reservation, Kam Wah Chung & Co. Museum, Mary Jane Spurlin, Deschutes National Forest, Pendleton Round-Up, Paulina (Paiute leader)

  • Low to High upgrades:

William "Bill" Hanley, William Gladstone Steel, Fort Rock Cave

100DYKs - A well deserved Award[edit]

Dyk100CE.svg The 100 DYK Creation and Expansion Medal
Well done for creating 100 Did You Knows and contributing to the DYK project. This is great way to show off new articles and you have created 100 of them. You, @Northamerica1000: and @ThaddeusB: join the club that includes @GaryColemanFan:, @Czar:, @Dravecky:, @Cirt: and @Wetman:. I am sure they will welcome you, but obviously they need to watch out as you make it first to 200. Thanks from the project, me and the wiki. Victuallers (talk) 12:12, 1 February 2016 (UTC)

DYK for Boyd R. Overhulse[edit]

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 12:02, 22 February 2016 (UTC)

DYK for W. Lair Thompson[edit]

Coffee // have a cup // beans // 00:01, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

DYK for Jay H. Upton[edit]

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 13:18, 24 March 2016 (UTC)

DYK for Charles A. Cogswell[edit]

Updated DYK query.svg On 11 April 2016, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Charles A. Cogswell, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Charles A. Cogswell was the first attorney to practice law in Lakeview, Oregon? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Charles A. Cogswell. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, daily totals), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 12:11, 11 April 2016 (UTC)

Crump Lake (Oregon)[edit]

Wikipedia UNDO policy: "If you are undoing an edit that is not vandalism, explain the reason in the edit summary. Do not use the default message only."

I know it's a pain at times, but it tells other editors what you consider wrong. It's also good to offer suggestions. But you're not new to Wiki editing, you must know this. Twemoji 1f609.svg Regards. — 72.234.220.38 (talk) 08:24, 13 May 2016 (UTC)

  • You’re right should have added note to the undo, but I thought with the edit that followed rationale would be clear. Obviously, it wasn’t so here’s what I intended … normally intro paragraph doesn’t need footnotes as long as the information is cited somewhere in the article. In this case, you were right my original text was rather redundant so I restore the more detailed text to the main body of the article along with the footnote citation and then simplified the intro text in a separate edited that followed immediately after the undo. Also, I may not have bothered with these changes except that the source (Oregon Geographic Names, 7th edition) doesn’t have any info on the birth/death of Thomas Crump so previous edit overstated the info found in that source. Bottomline ... my goal was to keep the intro simple with details and citations in the body of the article.--Orygun (talk) 22:12, 13 May 2016 (UTC)
Ah, I now have a much better understanding of how you were formatting the article, and I now also see it is "your baby", so big props on creating it. I did make a mistake by not adding the citation on the birth/death of Thomas Crump as I have done in another article. I will remedy that. Yes, keeping the intro simple with details and citations in the body of the article is the current "best practice" on Wikipedia articles and this one follows that quite well. Thanks for what you do Symbol thumbs up color.svg and regards. — 72.234.220.38 (talk) 04:59, 14 May 2016 (UTC)

DYK for Crump Lake (Oregon)[edit]

Updated DYK query.svg On 16 May 2016, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Crump Lake (Oregon), which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that in 2015, the Oregon Department of State Lands closed Crump Lake to the public because drought had reduced the lake’s water level exposing the lakebed to looting by cultural artifact hunters? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Crump Lake (Oregon). You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Crump Lake (Oregon)), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 01:57, 16 May 2016 (UTC)

DYK for Robert Hess (artist)[edit]

Updated DYK query.svg On 19 June 2016, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Robert Hess (artist), which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that while living in England, American artist Robert Hess learned to paint in the style of John Constable and was influenced by the sculptures of Henry Moore? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Robert Hess (artist). You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Robert Hess (artist)), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

— Maile (talk) 00:01, 19 June 2016 (UTC)