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It's not oh-moh-toh-lah. I'm a yoruba person.[edit]

Hi, I'm a Yoruba person and It really isn't Oh-moh-toh-lah.

It is uh-muh-tuh-lah.

change it BACK! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 154.118.30.104 (talk) 23:22, 13 April 2016 (UTC)

Linda Ikeji[edit]

Although there's nothing wrong with the version prior to my revision, I must point out that my revision is the norm on Wikipedia.  Versace1608  Wanna Talk? 22:56, 19 April 2016 (UTC)

  • I don't think there's a layout norm for that; however, quite a number of biographies of highly popular subjects, also use the former version.--Jamie Tubers (talk) 23:00, 19 April 2016 (UTC)
I don't have a problem with the occupation parameter. I am specifically talking about the lede. I don't think that this version of the lede is more popularly used across Wikipedia than mines.  Versace1608  Wanna Talk? 23:07, 19 April 2016 (UTC)
  • I was also referring to the lead. We can't ascertain which is more popular, hence there's really no reason for you to change it in the first place. Not like I have issues with your edit, but it's proper to just leave the existing version, if there's nothing really wrong with it.--Jamie Tubers (talk) 23:21, 19 April 2016 (UTC)
LMAO. No need to argue this Jamie. We both know which version is more popular.  Versace1608  Wanna Talk? 23:27, 19 April 2016 (UTC)
  • Yea? There's a featured and a good article using the format you were "correcting". Yea, there's also a featured and good article using your format. Clearly, both are right, but the long standing version is always preferred, to avoid unnecessary edit warring. WP:MOS explicitly states that: "Where more than one style is acceptable under the Manual of Style, editors should not change an article from one of those styles to another without a good reason".--Jamie Tubers (talk) 23:53, 19 April 2016 (UTC)

Participation in Wiki Loves Nigeria /Writing Contest[edit]

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Thank you for your contribution to the Wiki Loves Nigeria 2016 Writing Contest! Olaniyan Olushola (talk) 21:27, 25 April 2016 (UTC)

Honorable Mention 3[edit]

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For writing:
Taxi Driver: Oko Ashewo

Wiki Loves Nigeria 2016 Writing Contest

Article Award
Honorable Mention

Wiki Loves Nigeria 2016 Writing Contest[edit]

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Thank you for your contribution to the Wiki Loves Nigeria 2016 Writing Contest!Olaniyan Olushola (talk) 09:39, 4 May 2016 (UTC)

Gbomo Gbomo Express[edit]

I saw Gbomo Gbomo Express yesterday night. Great movie that deservedly got a great article from you. Darreg (talk) 13:05, 27 May 2016 (UTC)

  • Thanks a lot Darreg :)

Sorting[edit]

Is there a way to sort lists automatically while editing? I know of using sortable in wikitables but everything returns to normal when you click edit. Darreg (talk) 13:14, 27 May 2016 (UTC)

  • I'm not sure I understand what you are asking. Do you mean, arranging a rank automatically in the edit interface? That is not possible.--Jamie Tubers (talk) 13:24, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
Yes. That is what I mean. Thanks. Hopefully, they will create a bot or something that can do that in the future. Darreg (talk) 14:03, 27 May 2016 (UTC)

AMAA vs AMVCAs[edit]

Hello Tubers. Even though I wasn't there physically. Feeds from Twitter and Youtube streaming were enough to let me know that there were so many things wrong with 2016 AMAA. The hallmark of everything was the power outage during the ceremony. Where in this world, do they take light during an award ceremony?? In my opinion AMVCAs remains the most organized, interesting and engaging award ceremony in Africa. Do you still think AMAA is more prestigious than AMVCA? Also, I never knew Nse was so old. She is old enough to be my mum if she got pregnant early. I think it;s high time I choose a new fav actress. My compass is beginning to lean towards SA film industry. I am starting to enjoy them better than Ghanaian industry. Darreg (talk) 20:22, 14 June 2016 (UTC)

  • Yes, AMVCAs seem like a more well organized show. I really can't comment on how "Prestigous" AMAA is, but I don't like the awarding process of AMVCA, which strikes it from being taken seriously. Yea, SA has an interesting film industry, with superior films than those from Ghana... but not so prolific and no good distribution. Hence, no one seems to be seeing these films. I hope they can partner more with Nigerian companies, the way Ghana does, so it can help in distribution.--Jamie Tubers (talk) 08:21, 16 June 2016 (UTC)
Alright Tubers. Please take a look at the statistics section of AMAA awards. Especially regarding the logistics. I am going to create a List of Africa Movie Academy Award records article soon. I want to be sure everything is perfect first. Darreg (talk) 20:50, 18 June 2016 (UTC)
  • Please do go ahead. It looks very fine to me. I actually wanted to create the spinoff article for sometime now, but i kept postponing it. Moreover, I've also been a bit engaged with a lot of stuffs. The section looks very fine to me. You're doing a great job. Kudos Darreg!!!!.--Jamie Tubers (talk) 13:04, 19 June 2016 (UTC)

Hello[edit]

My edits were not disruptive and they do not constitute an act of vandalism. The census figures were disputed and links and stories are all over the internet for verification. I only included a caveat that it should be noted that the census figures should be taken with a bit of caution. So I do not understand why I should be banned for including that caveat. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ChiefPrinceAndDuke (talkcontribs) 10:22, 17 June 2016 (UTC)

Thank you for supporting our editathons[edit]

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Thank you for contributing to our June 2016 editathons
There were over 350 articles on Women in Entertainment,
55 on Jewish Women's History and 50 on Women in LGBTQ

Our next event: Women in Halls of Fame

--Ipigott (talk) 16:16, 9 July 2016 (UTC)

(To subscribe, Women in Red/Invite list. Unsubscribe, Women in Red/Opt-out list)

  • It's always a pleasure to contribute what I can in the movement. Thank you too.--Jamie Tubers (talk) 03:58, 24 July 2016 (UTC)

Contests[edit]

User:Dr. Blofeld has created Wikipedia:WikiProject Africa/Contests. The idea is to run a series of contests/editathons focusing on each region of Africa. He has spoken to Wikimedia about it and $1000-1500 is possible for prize money. As someone who has previously expressed interest in African topics, would you be interested in contributing to one or assisting draw up core article/missing article lists? He says he's thinking of North Africa for an inaugural one in October. If interested please sign up in the participants section of the Contest page, thanks.♦ --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 01:26, 21 July 2016 (UTC)

  • Thanks, I am willing to participate.--Jamie Tubers (talk) 04:02, 24 July 2016 (UTC)

Nse Ikpe-Etim[edit]

Hello Jamie Tubers,

I observed that you have been updating my wiki page, thank you. Please note that you have misspelt my name. it is Nse Ikpe-Etim ( with a hyphen) and not Nse Ikpe Etim. My place of birth is incorrect as well. It is Lagos and not AkwaIbom. It will be better to verify content before updating my wiki page.

Please ammend were possible.

Thank you.

Nse Ikpe-Etim — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.23.95.205 (talk) 16:51, 2 August 2016 (UTC)

  • Hello,
Thank you for reaching out; I didn't create the page, so I am not responsible for the misspelt name. Same way, I wasn't the one who added your place of birth in the first place. That settled; I tried to confirm the information and I can tell the common name of the subject is indeed "Nse Ikpe-Etim"; however, several publications publish her place of birth to be Akwa Ibom, not Lagos. Infact, I can't find any reliable source claiming your place of birth as Lagos. If you're indeed Nse, put your place of birth in the "About" section of your verified facebook page, and the change can stand on the Wikipedia. I'd also advice that in future cases, speak up to debunk any misinformation about you, not wait until it shows up on Wikipedia. Thanks again, and regards.--Jamie Tubers (talk) 04:18, 4 August 2016 (UTC)
Hello Jamie Tubers,
I have just updated my FB profile with my POB. Please view and rectify.
Many Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:C7D:5E93:C900:AC25:461D:8032:4507 (talk) 19:40, 19 August 2016 (UTC)
  •  Done I have corrected the misinformation. Regards.--Jamie Tubers (talk) 20:27, 19 August 2016 (UTC)

Biafra[edit]

Hi Jami Tubers, Please could you clarify for the benefit of the public what was wrong in the edit of Biafra? I did provide references verifiable and properly referenced. It is important that you note that I had previously emailed wikipedia with these references and they said it was open to the public to make changes. As much as I appreciate your comments, I strongly believe that you are biased on your position and more aligned to politics than facts. For the records, here are the references and it is left for you to tell us where your definition that Biafra was a secessionists state came from and what references you have to justify such a tag. Reference 1. Kingdom of Biafra or Biafar - An Universal History, from the Earliest Account of Time, Volume 37 Page 353 published 1760 You can view the book at https://books.google.ca/books?id=-WVjAAAAMAAJ&dq=Biafar&source=gbs_navlinks_s

Reference 2. Kingdom of Biafra Universal history, ancient and modern, Volume 25 Index Page Published 1804 by William Fordyce Mavor and a simple google search will help you here

Reference 3. Containing the Description of Asia, Africa, and America. Written in Latin by Joan. Luyts Professor in Acad. Ultraj. English'd with Large Additional Accounts of the East-Indies, and the English Plantations in America ; Illustrated with Maps, Fairly Engraven on Copper, According to the Modern Discoveries and Corrections, by Hermann Moll: 2 - Childe, Timothy, 1701 (A simple google search will also help you here)

Reference 4. An Universal History: From the Earliest Accounts to the Present Time, Part 2, Volume 13 C. Bathurst, Published 1781

Reference 5: Dictionary of Geography sir Alexander Keith Johnston Published 1855 and Page 221,147, 150, 981 and a simple google search will show you these.

If you want additional references, please let me know and I provide lots and lots of them online and verifiable.

Please, can you then show us your own references that say it is a secessionist state as the facts have clearly shown here that you are being more political than factual. Is Wikipedia interested in mis-informing people when the truth does not favour their political interest?

Thanks and sorry for being so dramatic as I would expect an editor to research his information before taking a position.

Thanks Don — Preceding unsigned comment added by Donacsa (talkcontribs) 19:51, 8 August 2016 (UTC)

  • Sorry, this is too long and not well organized; kindly, be specific and be clear with what the problem is and what you think should be appropriate. I can remember I undid your edits on Biafra page, because they are clearly controversial and not referenced; atleast twice, other editors have reverted your recent additions as well. Yes, everyone is allowed to edit on Wikipedia, but Wikipedia is not a place to add your own original research. Regards.--Jamie Tubers (talk) 15:41, 11 August 2016 (UTC)

Contest[edit]

Hi, as I know you're an experienced editor here with Uganda topics I was wondering if you could help. The Africa contest proposal doesn't exactly have WM gushing with support. They think we need a coordinator for this in Africa to run an effective contest. I was wondering if you could offer to help me coordinate the contests and comment there? I know Nigeria is your specialty but the same principle would be applied to all areas of Africa. I'd be willing to do much of the work but need a few people from within Africa on board with me.♦ Dr. Blofeld 08:48, 23 August 2016 (UTC)

  • Hello @Dr. Blofeld:, thanks alot for reaching out. I really do not understand why WM wants a coordinator located in the area; this kind of contests really do not need primary contacts, as it is purely based online. That said; I assume, what would be required from a local coordinator of this project is local engagements, such as partnerships with organizations, media promotions, social media etc. As you know, I live outside North Africa, so I'm basically just as "powerless" as you in such areas. However, if who you need is someone, who can help with online coordination, I'd be very glad to be very involved.--Jamie Tubers (talk) 23:27, 23 August 2016 (UTC)
Thanks Jamie, perhaps you'd be more interested in helping coordinate the West Africa one when we get to it then. Yes, I know, that's what some of the others are saying, they're surprised that WM expects a local coordinator!♦ Dr. Blofeld 07:06, 24 August 2016 (UTC)
  • Yes! I'm very interested in helping with the West Africa contest. Cheers!--Jamie Tubers (talk) 12:38, 24 August 2016 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Africa/The 10,000 Challenge[edit]

Hello. I've revamped the contest page into this, based on the new British model. Long term goal, but I've added entries since the beginning of July to give it some initial life. Please add anything you've done then this then too! I hope it proves productive long term. The contests are still planned, but will be more tools towards increasing bulk output in overall goal. It's a permanent goal now, and open! I would be grateful if you could keep a record of all your articles you do there, as I really think seeing the combined efforts will encourage others to create more content too! Please spread the word to the others, cheers!♦ Dr. Blofeld 09:19, 3 September 2016 (UTC)

Wiki Loves Women- Monthly Contest[edit]

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Hello, this is to notify you about a monthly article writing contest organized by Wikimedia User Group Nigeria in collaboration with Wiki Loves Women to increase the coverage of Nigerian women on Wikipedia! This contest starts on September 20, 2016. Thank you.

Olaniyan Olushola (talk) 07:50, 8 September 2016 (UTC).

  • Thanks for the reminder, the contest page will be up pretty soon. Regards.--Jamie Tubers (talk) 12:18, 11 September 2016 (UTC)
Hi Jamie. I see you already have a contest page here, a list of red links on women entertainers here and an invitation for jury members here. WikiProject Women in Red would be delighted to take part in the contest (or simply invite our members to create new articles whether or not they want to complete for prizes). I would like to make an announcement on WiR on the basis of our virtual editathons. We can set up a WiR editathon page but it may be preferable to combine our efforts. We could possibly announce it along the lines of our Women in Philosophy Drive but before we go ahead, we need at the very least sections on participants, new articles and new media. I could try to put a page together mentioning you as sponsors but you might have some ideas of your own. As far as possible, I would like to avoid confusion.--Ipigott (talk) 19:52, 12 September 2016 (UTC)
Sorry for the delayed reply, I was offline for the past few days. Thanks alot for wanting to help out with the contests. Ofcourse we need as much participants as we can get, if we want optimal results. I see alot of discussions have happened in my absence, I'm not sure of where to come in, but your help is very fine with me. Regards.--Jamie Tubers (talk) 23:43, 15 September 2016 (UTC)
Glad to hear you appreciate our cooperation. I was beginning to worry that our efforts were counter-productive. As you say, there has been quite a lot of discussion on this over the past day or two as WiR set up its own editathon page which went beyond the contest parameters. As a result of Shola's reactions, I have now tailored it to meet the contest's objectives. I've been working on the "Article suggestions" page. Unfortunately, unless good third party sources can be found for many of the names on the list, I think there is a risk articles about them will be deleted. I'll try to contribute more names with adequate sources but you might also like to work on it yourself. I also think the "Article suggestions" page should contain a section on "New or improved articles" and on "New media" so that people can list what they've been contributing. I think it would also help if the contest page contained links to the other contest pages. Let me know if I can be of any further help.--Ipigott (talk) 06:50, 16 September 2016 (UTC)

The Wiki Loves Women Nigeria writing contest intivation[edit]

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Hello, this is to notify you about a monthly article writing contest organized by Wikimedia User Group Nigeria in collaboration with Wiki Loves Women to increase the coverage of Nigerian women on Wikipedia! The theme for the month of September is Women in Entertainment. See the contest page here. Thank you. Delivered: 13:23, 16 September 2016 (UTC)

Jamie Tubers Hi Jamie, how are you? There's this new Nigerian movie making waves its called Green White Green film and I recently was screened at the Toronto Film Festival. I wanted to make you aware because I think you're the best person to create a Wikipedia Article about it. There's more than enough press material. Just search Green White Green film should you be interested. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sam3346 (talkcontribs) 11:55, 19 September 2016 (UTC)

Wiki Loves Women- Monthly Contest (Nigerian women in entertainment)[edit]

This is to inform you that I've created an article for this project. The article is on a radio personality, Maria Okanrende. You can review it for the contest. Willybeez (talk) 9:32, 3 October 2016 (UTC)

So-called Disruptive Editing[edit]

My decisions are not disruptive in any way, unless you are pushing your personal agenda on Wikipedia. We all know the truth and we both know that the guy making those edits I was trying to rectify was being plainly mischievous. Heck! Are you even a Nigerian? If so do you live in Nigeria or have you ever been to lNigeria? Get off my case! ChiefPrinceAndDuke (talk) 19:47, 23 September 2016 (UTC)

  • You need to realize that Wikipedia is not the place to push only what YOU think is the true information, but rather information based on reliable sources. If an information has two sides to it, with reliable sources, both sides must be included, per WP:NPOV. Trying to remove the part YOU think is false, is disruptive to the encyclopaedia.--Jamie Tubers (talk) 23:59, 24 September 2016 (UTC)

Invite to the African Destubathon[edit]

Hi. You may be interested in participating in the African Destubathon which starts on October 15. Africa currently has over 37,000 stubs and badly needs a quality improvement editathon/contest to flesh out basic stubs. There are proposed substantial prizes to give to editors who do the most geography, wildlife and women articles, and planned smaller prizes for doing to most destubs for each of the 53 African countries, so should be enjoyable! Even if contests aren't your thing we would be grateful if you could consider destubbing a few African articles during the drive to help the cause and help reduce the massive 37,000 + stub count, of which many are rated high importance (think Regions of countries etc). If you're interested in competing or just loosely contributing, whether it's a river in Malawi, a Nigerian footballer, or a South African civil rights activist, please add your name to the Contestants/participants section. Diversity of work from a lot of people will make this that bit more special. For those of you who signed up to the North African contest, that will hopefully be held in the new year. Thanks. --MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 21:11, 6 October 2016 (UTC)

You are right[edit]

Oh. You are right about the article which i edited List of heads of state of Nigeria. Since he is still a current head of state. There is no need for the subject to be added to formal president, Thanks for your correction. --Music Boy50 (talk) 11:00, 3 November 2016 (UTC)

In need of help[edit]

Hello James , could you be so kind as to help with my article on Bobrisky , I know you are busy and would understand if you decline. Thanks Celestina007 (talk) 14:49, 3 November 2016 (UTC)

  • Hello, I'm not going to decline. However, I'm currently engaged in alot of things. I'm already watching the page, I'll try to improve it as times go by.--Jamie Tubers (talk) 14:25, 4 November 2016 (UTC)

Thanks[edit]

Hello Jamie Tubers, I just saw, you reverted an edit made by me on Ben Murray-Bruce, a summary of wiki links. Thanks for the explanation and the link you provided WP:OVERLINKING it helps. --Music Boy50 (talk) 14:58, 4 November 2016 (UTC)

  • You're welcome. Cheers!!! :-) --Jamie Tubers (talk) 00:06, 5 November 2016 (UTC)

ArbCom Elections 2016: Voting now open![edit]

Scale of justice 2.svg Hello, Jamie Tubers. Voting in the 2016 Arbitration Committee elections is open from Monday, 00:00, 21 November through Sunday, 23:59, 4 December to all unblocked users who have registered an account before Wednesday, 00:00, 28 October 2016 and have made at least 150 mainspace edits before Sunday, 00:00, 1 November 2016.

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Gotcha[edit]

Hey Jamie howdy, trust you're great. Went through your contributions on wiki and I must comment I was deeply impressed you've done more than I think I can within such period. I'm also an engineering student as you are(but wait are you still an undergraduate ...) It would be nice collaborating with you on Wikipedia. Omò ílu àbi gidi ni mi o ... Mahveotm (talk) 17:34, 9 December 2016 (UTC)

  • @Mahveotm: Wao, I thought I replied this message. Thank you! :) And No, I'm no longer an undergraduate.--Jamie Tubers (talk) 13:43, 8 February 2017 (UTC)

Non-continuation of some Film awards[edit]

Compliments of the season bro. I was about to resume my film-related articles since the award season was fast approaching, only to discover that recession has hit the entertainment industry. Nollywood movies award didn't hold in 2015 and 2016; GIAMA awards wouldn't be taking place in 2016 either. I'm glad that BON awards has been consistent since it's founding. At least,I'm pretty confident that AMAA and AMVCA can't be so affected by recession to the extent of not holding a ceremony in a year. Dstv has money; Peace has connection. What do you think is the reason for non-continuation of these awards? Is it totally down to lack of funds and recession? Darreg (talk) 12:34, 29 December 2016 (UTC)

  • I wish you the same! Well, I really don't know what went wrong. If you hadn't told me, I didn't realize that GIAMA and NMA didn't take take place. Most of these awards never really had a solid ground, and I've honestly never taken them so seriously. Like you said, the important ones will definitely take place, recession or not.--Jamie Tubers (talk) 12:47, 29 December 2016 (UTC)

About logos[edit]

bsd. Hi, i saw you reverted the SVG logo i added to Jumia. In general, preferred logos should be in SVG format, and without taglines or slogans. Also JPG is the least optimal for logos. --Ben Stone 23:21, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

  • Hello, can you kindly provide the guideline that supports this statement? Just to be sure, because I feel both logos are good quite alright. But, there's no need to change the long existing logo, unless there's something genuinely wrong with it. Regards.--Jamie Tubers (talk) 13:21, 14 January 2017 (UTC)
This is a general web standard (using SVG for logos, or at least PNG, not JPG), and also on wikipedia. May i refer you to Wikipedia:Preparing_images_for_upload#Do_not_save_diagrams_as_JPEG. I agree with you that if an image is good enough it shouldn't be changed, but JPG can't be regarded as such. Also, regarding taglines, i can't remember specifically where it's mentioned, but that seems to be the consensus. Finally, a small tip: when you answer a comment, add {{ping|(USERNAME)}} to automatically notify the person that you have answered (example: to notify me, add {{ping|Benstown}}. important: remove both "nowiki" tags). --Ben Stone 05:39, 16 January 2017 (UTC)
  • Thanks for providing the guideline. The image you added is good to go! Regards :).--Jamie Tubers (talk) 07:13, 16 January 2017 (UTC)
  • Just a reminder about the "Ping" tip!--Ben Stone 16:21, 16 January 2017 (UTC)

The "Binta" girl in Binta and Friends[edit]

I have been trying to get the real name of the young lady that starred as "Binta" in Binta and Friends tv series, but have been unsuccessful. I remember the series was very popular while I was much younger, so it's very likely that you will know about it. Can you assist me in verifying her real name? Someone told me she's Moyo Lawal, but I have no way of verifying that. I don't know why I'm obsessed about knowing her real name. I think I just want to know what she's up to today. Darreg (talk) 23:33, 4 February 2017 (UTC)

  • Hello Darreg,
  • I don't think I know the name of the girl you are asking. Try to look for an episode online (Youtube perhaps) and check the credits. Also, I doubt one girl played the role all through the series. Regards.--Jamie Tubers (talk) 00:20, 5 February 2017 (UTC)
You should know that I have done all that before asking you. I have used all the search techniques, queries and filters that I know. I have gone through Youtube several times. It's already an obsession for me. The only thing left is for me to contact Wale Adenuga, something I'm seriously considering now. And I believe it was just a single lady that acted as Binta. The series lasted for just one season, before transforming to Nnenna and Friends. Strangely, I think I know more about it than you do sef. But thanks for the response sha. Darreg (talk) 13:47, 5 February 2017 (UTC)
  • Oops, didn't see this response. Yea, maybe you should contact WAP themselves, they can surely help. And you're right; you know more than I do about the show lol. I think I've only seen one or two episodes ever.--Jamie Tubers (talk) 13:18, 10 February 2017 (UTC)

Interaction history among Wikipedians[edit]

Is there a way I can see my interaction history with another editor on Wikipedia? There are some Wikipedians that I feel like we have crossed paths before, but I can't remember exactly where and I need to refresh my memory to know how to relate with them appropriately. Is there an app for going about that? Darreg (talk) 23:44, 4 February 2017 (UTC)

@Darreg: This page shows you the list of talk pages you've left a note on. I think this should help you find the editor you're looking for.  Versace1608  Wanna Talk? 00:06, 5 February 2017 (UTC)
  • In addition, if you are looking for a particular incidence outside user talkpages, or an old discussion that might have been archived, just search for both your usernames and you'd get relevant results on pages where both your usernames have appeared. Make sure you mark the relevant boxes in the search page to get results.--Jamie Tubers (talk) 00:28, 5 February 2017 (UTC)
Thanks Versace. @Tubers your solution is exactly what I want, I want to include other aspects of wiki aside talkpages (like afds, etc) but can't seem to find the search-page you talking about. Can you provide link? Darreg (talk) 13:59, 5 February 2017 (UTC)
  • Just the typical search column on the top right. Search the usernames along with yours, without the prefix "User:". When it brings the page, mark option boxes for the appropriate namespaces and search again.--Jamie Tubers (talk) 21:31, 5 February 2017 (UTC)
Thank you. You're spot on. Darreg (talk) 23:33, 5 February 2017 (UTC)

Disruptive editing and Vandalism[edit]

Hello, I spent a better part of today thinking and contemplating on what to do next after I saw your edits on my input to the "OC Ukeje" article, you deleted completely the "Wedding day" category and your edit summary read "wording" could it be you have not come across this WP:ES which states that as an editor you should accurately summarize , as so you have failed woefully by just imputing the word "wording" now I do understand English is not our first language as Africans and I also know not us all were privileged to attend Ivy League institutions as I , so for the sake of being thorough, I would define what a summary is to you, A summary can be defined as a brief statement or account of the main points. Key word there being 'statement' . If ever you need directions or assistance as pertains the English language, by Gods grace I am readily available to assist. If the issue is you probably do not like me as an editor and have a personal vendetta against me, then I propose we bring a senior administrator into this discussion, you have said that I should not tell others "what to do" but I am sorry sir. Freedom of speech permits me to do so, so herein and now , I am telling you to be very careful whilst editing and please I beg, follow do procedure, because in the occasion you tamper with any Wikipedia material not just only my contributions and do not use your edit summary properly you would be reported for disruptive editing and vandalism.

Thank you for complying sir . Celestina007 (talk) 18:48, 10 February 2017 (UTC)

@Celestina007: I have removed the the trivialities added here to OC Ukeje.
The edit summary was "Added a category". I see nothing wrong with Jamie's edits to the article. — Sam Sailor 00:01, 11 February 2017 (UTC)
1.Yes I removed The "Wedding day" section, because it is doesn't conform with Wikipedia's manual of style, which I'm sure you haven't gone through, despite having being advised to go through Wikipedia's policies. Also, Per WP:BLP, personal content on Wikipedia biographies are supposed to be concise; that was the reason I reworded your entry, despite the fact that it was infact on the borderline of not being suitable for Wikipedia.
2.Note that WP:ES is a help page, not a policy. There's no policy strictly guiding the use of summary column. That said, I believe I gave a sufficient enough explanation in my summary for what I did to the article.
3.Okay, keep teaching people what you know nothing about, where you'd end up will be your own doing. Just few months here, you've tried to antagonize almost everyone, despite being constantly told on most occasions that you demonstrate a lack of sound knowledge on how Wikipedia works. Where do you think this is?
4.It is "due procedure", not "do procedure". And I think you should take your own advice.--Jamie Tubers (talk) 00:30, 11 February 2017 (UTC)


@Sam Sailor: if after studying Wikipedia guidelines you affirm and confirm that "wording" is good enough for an edit summary, then we both still need to do a lot of reading because according to Wikipedia guide lines, an edit summary demands that a 'statement' be made, you tagged well sourced entries as 'gossip' and 'triviality' the former meaning it's authenticity is in doubt and the latter meaning it is 'irrelevant' addressing the former the entry was well cited so how is it a rumor ? And the latter, it is important because event occurred on subjects day of marriage, can I advice you do a course or two in English Language before proceeding to edit articles, I may be lacking the understanding of some Wikipedia policies, yes, but to not know well enough the English Language is worse still. However if you need tips on the Language i am readily available to offer it to you. I speak Spanish and Italian, and 9 other African Languages also, So please rather than 'try to be in the good books of Jamie' put your time to things more constructive

Celestina007 (talk) 1:55, 11 February 2017 (UTC)


@Jamie Tubers: I see you are letting emotions impair your better judgement, by not providing 'a clear and well defined statement " in your edit summary I could as well notify a neutral senior administrator to this discussion and see who would be a labelled a 'vandal' I am not afraid of you unlike most Nigerian editors, so yes, I am very bold and would continue to be bold if that upsets you, you may as well retire now, and hey, a little spelling mistake does not take away the fact I have an IQ of 132 and speak over ten languages excluding english. In the end let us work together and produce better Wikipedia articles. Thank you sir

Celestina007 (talk) 2:11,11 February 2017 (UTC)

@Celestina007: You need to be careful how you go about talking with other editors. You should comment on content, not on the contributor. Please familarize yourself with WP:CIVIL before you decide to communicate with another editor. The decisions you're making and the way you're communicating with other editors can get you blocked. Keep that in mind.  Versace1608  Wanna Talk? 01:14, 11 February 2017 (UTC)

Hall and parlor house[edit]

Please stop adding unsourced content, as you did to Hall and parlor house. This contravenes Wikipedia's policy on verifiability. If you continue to do so, you may be blocked from editing Wikipedia. If you examine the source for the sentence in question, you will see nothing about Nigeria, and WP:V demands extraordinary sourcing for the extraordinary claim that this British-derived house form either was exported to Nigeria or was derived from a Nigerian original — by placing the comment before the citation, you've claimed that this is supported by the source, which obviously is false, i.e. a hoax. Further insertion of such claims, without solid sourcing to demonstrate a connection between Nigerian vernacular architecture and British vernacular architecture in this context, will be treated as vandalism. Nyttend (talk) 21:00, 10 February 2017 (UTC)

  • This wasn't what you argued in your edit summary, but that's okay. It's quite interesting seeing the wiki behaviour you have been exhibiting though, despite being an administrator. Anyway, so are you saying the hall-and-parlor-house-type configuration explained in that article only exist in Britain, and other similar variations across the world doesn't deserve to be represented in the article? Clearly state what you are doing and defend it, based on relevant policies. Hall and parlour-type houses exists across the world, and the article should be globalized to reflect that. That's the reason for the addition I made and the maintenance tag that you are removing. As an administrator, are you by any chance trying to promote systemic bias? Ofcourse, Britain is free to have a local article on its own version, but it obviously doesn't belong in the current article title. If you refuse to give adequate explanation why you think similar variations across the world shouldn't be represented in the article, removing the valid additions is vandalism.--Jamie Tubers (talk) 01:18, 11 February 2017 (UTC)
@Jamie Tubers: I think you need to stop engaging in edit warring. As you already know, both you and Nyttend can get blocked for violating Wikipedia's three revert rule. I understand what you're trying to do, but I don't think you should include your wording in that particular area of the lead. The book source doesn't explicitly supports your wording. Perhaps you could add a sentence to the lead, or create a separate section about room and parlour houses in Nigeria. I don't think Nyttend is going to object to that.  Versace1608  Wanna Talk? 01:32, 11 February 2017 (UTC)
  • The inclusion I made conforms with the other articles like it all over Wikipedia. Ofcourse, I intend to add a more detailed explanation in the body of the article, but that wouldn't really be possible when you have an administrator who keeps reverting unjustly, would it?--Jamie Tubers (talk) 01:37, 11 February 2017 (UTC)
I completely understand where you're coming from. If you feel like there's enough sources out there to create a stand-alone article about hall and parlor houses, then perhaps the existing article can be moved to a different title. If you don't feel like a separate article is necessary, then I'd suggest you add a sentence or section to the article. If Nyttend objects to this, then this should reported.  Versace1608  Wanna Talk? 01:46, 11 February 2017 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Before I saw this conversation I created Talk:Hall_and_parlor_house#Name_in_Nigeria. I would just like to say, I definitely don't agree with Jamie Tubers statement here at all "I intend to add a more detailed explanation in the body of the article, but that wouldn't really be possible when you have an administrator who keeps reverting unjustly, would it?" — Yes, it definitely would be possible. Either copy the article to your userspace if you need to make multiple edits to it, or just change two sections at once in one edit - there's no rule against this. Wikipedia articles are always final drafts, and you cannot ask editors to base their edits on what you might do to the article in the future. Your most recent edit must always have enough merit to stand on its own, that's what the Preview feature is for. Psiĥedelisto (talk) 04:22, 11 February 2017 (UTC)

  • "Your most recent edit must always have enough merit to stand on its own" - Now explain why the edit you reverted doesn't merit a lone inclusion, in the article's talkpage. Regards.--Jamie Tubers (talk) 16:21, 12 February 2017 (UTC)

File:Lamide Akintobi portrait.jpg[edit]

Hi Jamie Tubers. Just want to point out the discrepancy I noticed in one of your recent uploads. In the summary table, you stated that Lamide Akintobi owns the copyright to the image you uploaded of her. However, the metadata info states that Alistair Englebert Preston is the author. I don't know if Preston transferred ownership of his image to Akintobi, but it looks like OTRS might not approve this. Just thought I point this out to you.  Versace1608  Wanna Talk? 00:05, 11 February 2017 (UTC)

  • If the OTRS finds that the information provided in the mail sent is not sufficient, I'd communicate it with her team. Thanks.--Jamie Tubers (talk) 01:25, 11 February 2017 (UTC)

Support For New Comers[edit]

Nothing you have said to me or any other editor is taken for granted, as all really is for my betterment. Occasionally you delete my imputes/texts on articles and do not explain your action in details, who would not think you have a 'personal vendetta' ? remember sir, that we are not children but adults, you have to specify with proper terminologies the reason for your actions, nobody is telepathic hence even if your actions are in good faith, How do I know? "THE REALITY AND ACTIONS OF A MAN IS A REFLECTION OF THE INTENT OF THE HEART" [law of correspondence] explains this.

I examined your talk page and witnessed what I thought was a mild form of 'cyber bullying' by a so-called administrator to you, i would have reported him, but on second thoughts I did not, after all 'he is the authority' I mean, you did have a reasonable arguement but he wouldn't just listen, you must have felt some sort of anger mixed with moodiness, that is how we 'new comers' feel also.

In the end, little by little, we can make here a conducive environment, I have witnessed a lot of potential editors leave in their first 6 weeks because of harsh editors. I am not calling you one, but perharps you are a good person and you know how 'written text' can be subjective. Celestina007 (talk) 20:59, 11 February 2017 (UTC)

  • Hello again,
I hope the discussion above will give you a clear example of how to engage in discussions on Wikipedia. You don't just go about accusing and attacking editors. You are supposed to ask questions and wait for an explanation, not jump to conclusions. Making "harsh" comments on people's talkpages, will only lead to you getting "harsh" replies. Don't give what you can't take. That said; despite your wrong approach to discussions, I made sure I wasn't harsh in my replies to you, or in my interactions with you, and that's because you are a new user. Next time, be aware that this is a collaborative project, not a one man show. There are policies; no one is above them, not even administrators. Regards.--Jamie Tubers (talk) 16:12, 12 February 2017 (UTC)

Yes sir. Celestina007 (talk) 00:16, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

History of science and technology in Africa[edit]

Hi, sorry about that, I was updating the navigation to a navigation bar like the Africa one already at the end of the article and managed to delete the box without inserting the bar. Navbars fit well together even when there are 5 or more of them, which sideboxes absolutely don't. Hope you like the result! All the best, Chiswick Chap (talk) 19:49, 14 February 2017 (UTC)

  • Hello. nice that the mistake is fixed. Regards :).--Jamie Tubers (talk) 19:58, 14 February 2017 (UTC)

Hey[edit]

There is an AfD you might be interested in. [1] ʍaɦʋɛօtʍ (talk) 09:48, 16 February 2017 (UTC)

Hello sir,[edit]

Happy Sunday to you,

Please could you take out time & check out this article I created John Nnia Nwodo tell me what you think of it, the sections you feel I should i re-write or improve on, weather or not to add more citations & in summary what you think of it. Thank you Celestina007 (talk) 20:42, 26 February 2017 (UTC)

  • Hello, the article looks pretty standard to me. Ofcourse, there will always be room for improvements and expansion, but it looks very okay.--Jamie Tubers (talk) 13:17, 2 March 2017 (UTC)

Nigerian presidents & vice presidents[edit]

I'M NOT VANDALISING ANYTHING. See discussion at the current President's article, for why it was agreed to remove the numbering. GoodDay (talk) 14:58, 30 March 2017 (UTC)

@GoodDay: I can't find any related discussion on Muhammadu Buhari's artilce. Kindly mention me in such discussion. Please get a consensus before making further reverts.--Jamie Tubers (talk) 15:02, 30 March 2017 (UTC)
My mistake, but I do remember discussing this topic with @Alexplaugh12: (who opposes the numberings), a few weeks ago. I don't care either way, as long as all the articles treated the same. Therefore, I leave the final choice up to the both of you. GoodDay (talk) 15:05, 30 March 2017 (UTC)
PS: In future do not jump to conclusions, by accusing a veteran editor (12 years) of vandalism. GoodDay (talk) 15:07, 30 March 2017 (UTC)
Well, Alexplaugh's position can't overwrite a long standing version of articles. If he thinks that the numbering is inappropriate (which it is not), then he should initiate a discussion on the appropriate talkpage to that effect. Infact, you should've initiated that discussion before going on mass edits to all articles. As you've said, you have been on Wikipedia for quite a while, the fact that an information exists with a huge number of articles should've made you discuss it first, before a massive change. That is the norm. Doing what you did, can be termed vandalism.--Jamie Tubers (talk) 15:12, 30 March 2017 (UTC)
BTW, you missed some of the veeps. GoodDay (talk) 15:35, 30 March 2017 (UTC)

Recommend you & @Alexplaugh12: open up a RFC (in appropriate place) on the topic of numbering Nigerian presidents & vice presidents. GoodDay (talk) 18:21, 30 March 2017 (UTC)

move of Unity Bank Plc.[edit]

Hello! I've been going through the public limited company articles and noticed you moved Unity Bank (Nigeria) to Unity Bank Plc.. It's a bit of an odd acronym, probably owing to its use in legal contexts, and is preferred as lowercase "plc" with no period (this according to the The Guardian style guide and the language reference desk – also the Manual of Style, though I did that update [with unanimous consent].) I suspect people write it "Plc." after a company name because they're used to this format with the abbreviation "Ltd.". Most companies seem to use it lower-case as it has to appear that way on legal documents in the UK. So far as I can tell it's a purely typographical issue (ie: it doesn't particularly matter how it appears in sources in connection to a specific subject), and is lowercase on the majority of Wikipedia articles. But I thought I'd best check with you in case "Plc" has a special use in Nigeria. Otherwise, I'd like to move it to "Unity Bank plc" – please let me know what you think! – Reidgreg (talk) 13:46, 8 April 2017 (UTC)

Oh, similarly for University Press Plc.Reidgreg (talk) 13:51, 8 April 2017 (UTC)

I remember I moved the page per WP:NATURAL. I simply used the title just as the company uses it. I believe PLC also means "public limited company" in Nigeria, so please move it appropriately, since there's an existing guideline for writing PLCs. Cheers!--Jamie Tubers (talk) 11:16, 9 April 2017 (UTC)
OK, I"ll get on those moves. Thanks for your good work on Nigeria articles! Reidgreg (talk) 13:01, 9 April 2017 (UTC)

Poverty in Nigeria[edit]

Per your point, please add this to the article instead of reverting my edits. Please add a source for your stated facts in your edit history, instead of simply reverting the change I made out.

Thanks. Shaded0 (talk) 15:20, 13 April 2017 (UTC)

Recent pics uploaded to Commons[edit]

Greetings Jamie Tubers. Above this message are images I uploaded yesterday. Can you please help me remove the logo from these images? I am waiting for the OTRS team to confirm these images. Once they do, I will leave a note here to notify you to proceed. Thanks in Advance.  Versace1608  Wanna Talk? 17:02, 15 April 2017 (UTC)

  • Hello Versace,
I can definitely help with removing the logos. Do notify me once the OTRS is confirmed. Cheers.--Jamie Tubers (talk) 23:07, 15 April 2017 (UTC)

About "Newer data for Nigeria is not available"[edit]

Hi Jamie,

about your delete here: There was no extra citation for "Newer data for Nigeria is not available", because if you follow the citation directly before to the UNESCO page, and then call up (in a rather cumbersome setup that doesn't allow a permanent link) a table via "Culture" –> "Feature Films" –> "Feature Films (full dataset)" and set the Indicator on the table to "Total number of national feature films produced" – then you will see that Nigeria has no newer data than 2011. All the other countries do, so I felt that was relevant, in order to explain why the WP data set has not been updated since 2011, even though the diagram on the right shows data from 2015, which purports to also come from UNESCO. Maybe I should have moved the citation to after the sentence "Newer data for Nigeria is not available"?

By the way, the reason I had a closer look at this matter, is that I have until today been woefully ignorant of the size of Nigerian cinema production. I was very surprised to see that in 2011 there were more feature films produced in Nigeria than in the USA. And in 2010 the gap was even bigger! I wanted to use this information in a talk I'm giving in June, and would love to have newer data of that. So if you happen to know a reliable source for the feature films produced in 2015, I would be glad to know.

Greetings from --Sprachraum (talk) 00:43, 18 April 2017 (UTC)

  • Hello,
Well, Nigeria is not the only country on the table with missing years. I think the more appropriate method would be to add a "year" column to the Wikipedia table and then add the latest figures for each country. I believe this will properly reflect the years for the figures, and the readers will also be able to deduce additional observations for themselves. However, if the table wants to have a unified year, then its fine too. That statement is quite unnecessary either ways.--Jamie Tubers (talk) 00:54, 18 April 2017 (UTC)
Ok, I see your point. Thanks for taking the time. --Sprachraum (talk) 02:03, 18 April 2017 (UTC)

States of Nigeria[edit]

I do not like your constant reverting of my edits on States of Nigeria. It's not disruptive editing. I'm adding more information to the article. The table I created is for comparison of the states. It's not false information. You reverted the article to an edit that lacks quality. When I'm done with the table, I will put it up again. And you can see it. The map there isn't even "click able" as the article claims. Did you even the map I made? Please stop unnecessarily reverting if you are not going to criticise constructively. Willybeez (talk) 5:32, 25 April 2017 (UTC)

  • @Willybeez: In your set of edits here, you replaced the SVG map (the standard format for maps on Wikipedia) in the infobox, with a png format, and you decided to also increase the size outrageously, such that it messes up the rendering of the article, clearly violating manual of style used on Wikipedia. The table you claim that you added for comparison of states, contains information from Brazil!
How exactly are you not disrupting the page?
I'll advise that whatever edits you decide to make again is very accurate, and cited with reliable reference. Also, don't mess up formats in the process. Failing to do any of these is disruptive, and your edits will be reverted again. Also note that persistent disruption is vandalism, which can get you blocked.
Oh btw, I just checked now and the clickable map on the page, is indeed clickable. If you are unable to click on the states, your device probably doesn't support the feature.--Jamie Tubers (talk) 18:57, 25 April 2017 (UTC)

unemployment rate[edit]

Hello Jamie,

Thank you for your notification, I simply updated the data regarding the unemployment rate in macedonia which is 23.1%, taken from the states statistical office's web page: http://www.stat.gov.mk/ I believe you revert it for not leaving a reference to a reliable source?

Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.59.226.179 (talk) 06:51, 26 April 2017 (UTC)

  • Hello, yea, your edit was reverted because it had no reference. The link you just provided now, doesn't include the information you're trying to add either.--Jamie Tubers (talk) 10:55, 4 May 2017 (UTC)

File:African Union flag.svg licensing[edit]

Hi Jamie Tubers. It appears that someone removed the "non-free logo" copyright tag for File:African Union flag.svg back in December 2016. No explanation was given for removing the copyright template, so it could've been just done in error. Since all files are required to have a copyright license per WP:F4, I've readded the non-free one. If you feel for some reason that the licensing is incorrect, then you can be WP:BOLD and change it, but I suggest only doing so if you can clearly show the file has been released under a free license or is in the public domain. As for the file's non-free use in Boko Haram insurgency, I personally feel it would be impossible to justify that type of decorative usage in an infobox per WP:NFCC#8; if, however, you feel differently, please provide the non-free use rationale required by WP:NFCC#10c explaining how that particular use satisfies all 10 non-free content criteria. -- Marchjuly (talk) 10:01, 3 May 2017 (UTC)

  • Hello, I reverted your edit because I couldn't find the license on the image. Now that you've readded it, I guess its okay now. I don't know so much about copyright of flags, so I don't think I can help with the proper license. Cheers.--Jamie Tubers (talk) 11:41, 4 May 2017 (UTC)
The copyright tag was removed a while back, I didn't notice it until you pointed it out. Templates are occassionally removed from file pages in error by editors who mean well which is probably what happened in this case. A bot usually catches these kinds of things and flags them for review, but for some reason it didn't this time. Anyway, if my edit sum re-removing the file seemed a little snarky, then I apologize. -- Marchjuly (talk) 15:00, 4 May 2017 (UTC)
  • Hey its cool. I should be apologizing for not going through the file history in proper detail, before making my "hasty reversion" :).--Jamie Tubers (talk) 15:11, 4 May 2017 (UTC)

MAY 2017[edit]

Apparently it's the same situation between Big Brother (South African TV series) & Big Brother Mzansi 3 (South Africa), Big Brother Mzansi 4 (South Africa) I suggest moving it to Big Brother Naija 2 (Nigeria) to match these three.

  • The South African version has no correlation to how the Nigerian version should appear. "Other stuff exists" is not a valid argument. Wikipedia has standard disambiguation methods in its manual of style. Before now, I thought "Big Brother Naija (season 2)" would be appropriate, but then I realized that the second season is also known as "Big Brother Naija 2017"; so per WP:NATURAL, I believe the current namespace is just perfect.--Jamie Tubers (talk) 11:38, 4 May 2017 (UTC)

You've got mail[edit]

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Ade Olufeko an article/draft you may be interested in[edit]

Hi Sir Jamie, thanks for your love and work on Nigerian articles. kudos! one here I think you may be interested in. Thanks & bless xoxo JuneHazinek (talk) 03:04, 2 June 2017 (UTC)

A barnster for you[edit]

Filmbarnstar.png The WikiProject Film Award
I, Darreg, hereby award Jamie Tubers the WikiProject Film Award for his/her valued contributions to WikiProject Film. Specifically the improvement of Nollywood articles on Wikipedia. You have indeed left an everlasting impact on Wikipedia on Cinema of Nigeria topics. Nigerian cinema is probably the most covered African film industry on Wikipedia today, all because of your input mainly.
Awarded 22:14, 3 July 2017 (UTC)

Historical account of homosexual Africans[edit]

Hey, I recall you once said that there are documented testimonies of many homosexual Africans decades (or probably centuries) before it became mainstream or an issue in Africa. I am having an heated discussion on another platform and some references from you will give our argument some perspective. If it isn't too much to ask, I will like to see links that substantiates your position. Darreg (talk) 22:23, 3 July 2017 (UTC)

  • Hello, just enter "homosexuality in ancient Africa" or something related on google and you should find what you're looking for. Cheers.--Jamie Tubers (talk) 06:57, 10 July 2017 (UTC)
@Darreg: If you don't mind me asking, why are you having a debate about homosexuality? Do you still hold the same viewpoint you held that led to you being blocked?  Versace1608  Wanna Talk? 21:36, 10 July 2017 (UTC)
@Jamie Tubers Of course, there are alot of propaganda documents online. Google always returns something. Thought you had something more specific.
@Versace I really don't know what you are talking about. I can't remember being blocked for stating homosexual views. That being said, my stance on homosexuality is centered on my religious view and cultural beliefs. It is never going to change as long as I remain a Christian and African. What could change is my tolerance level towards gay people, which has been reasonable for a while now. As long as you don't put your sexuality in my face, I don't give a shit. I have never had hatred for homosexual people. If I have ever stated anything that gave such impression, then it was just me acting or being misconstrued. It's far from my thinking. I could be a sensationalist sometimes. Darreg (talk) 18:28, 11 July 2017 (UTC)
@Darreg: Let's get facts straight. I am not gay so you don't have to feel uncomfortable. I used to hold your viewpoint prior to relocating to the U.S. I remember getting into numerous arguments with my one of my female teachers about homosexuality and atheism. I personally feel like using religion to judge someone is wrong. The world is a diverse place and as citizens of this earth, we must all learn to accept our differences. The world will never be perfect, but all we can do is love and respect people for who and what they are. I'm glad you are have some level of reasoning in your heart.  Versace1608  Wanna Talk? 21:36, 11 July 2017 (UTC)
I imagined that you spent your formative years in Africa. But considering that you used "teachers", not "lecturers" to describe an educator while in the US, this suggest to me that it was high school. I thought you definitely finished secondary school before going abroad. I remember you once said you were in Nigeria when Charles Taylor was on exile. I pictured you to be in your 20s if not close to it then. Hearing something about a secondary school teacher in the US now got me confused. I might be completely wrong, its not the first time. You don't need to comment on my combining the dots.
What is your religious view though. Most of my friends who were Christians before travelling abroad were indoctrinated into atheism when they returned to Nigeria. Darreg (talk) 09:20, 12 July 2017 (UTC)
  • You're a Wikipedian; I trust you'll be able to figure out the credible sources from what google provides :).--Jamie Tubers (talk) 20:59, 13 July 2017 (UTC)
@Darreg: I am a Christian bro.  Versace1608  Wanna Talk? 22:10, 13 July 2017 (UTC) I was thinking about what you said about indoctrination. I have to ask you this question. Don't you feel like you've been indoctrinated as well? Think about it. You are practicing a western religion that goes against everything traditional African Religions stand for.  Versace1608  Wanna Talk? 00:03, 16 July 2017 (UTC)
You have made a fair point. Personally, I like to think the values in contemporary African traditions and Christianity are not mutually exclusive. I don't need to abandon one for the other, in situations where there is significant variation, I believe that as human beings we have a conscience, that will determine the route to take.
I don't agree that Africans who are adherents to western religion were all indoctrinated into it. The reason I used "indoctrination" for my friends was because they were actually indoctrinated. The western lifestyle, public opinion, societal bias, mass media, left wing emphasis, entertainment industry, etc are all orchestrated to make religious people seem dumb, and its not only agnostic fellas that proselytize, many theistic religions also promotes brainwashing, which is needed for there to be societal balance, so its a two way thing. Both theism and atheism propagandize today. Darreg (talk) 22:35, 17 July 2017 (UTC)