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Prager University[edit]

Since you participated in WP:Templates for discussion/Log/2014 December 31#Template:PragerU, you are also invited to weigh in at WP:ELN#Linking to Prager University, as the discussion has moved there. --Dr. Fleischman (talk) 17:14, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

Legazpi Page[edit]

Please explain the reversions on the page of Legazpi, Albay. From what I understood of the term ünconstructive edit, it means an unhelpful edit or one that is not beneficial. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 08:33, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

  • Right. Rewriting the references and changing the intro to a non-standard format is indeed unhelpful. -- P 1 9 9   14:03, 12 January 2015 (UTC)
  • Then, you could have just mentioned that it is not in a standard format. Saying that it is an unconstructive edit, and completely undoing an edit, including a portion that is not really unconstructive, is rather impolite/rude for not stating the particular rule it deviates from. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 07:35, 16 January 2015 (UTC)

Daanbantayan etc.[edit]

That's a fairly loose interpretation of the word 'adjacent'. Really, it ought to be Madridejos to the west and Santa Fe to the southwest. Incidentally, I prefer using {{pipe}} (upright) to / (slant) as a separator.--Unbuttered parsnip (talk) mytime= Mon 22:14, wikitime= 14:14, 9 February 2015 (UTC)

  • @Unbuttered Parsnip: I have often wondered how to treat larger bodies of water in the {{Geographic location}} box, but ultimately we have to consider the objective/purpose of the box: to navigate around. By linking Daanbantayan to Santa Fe (and vice-versa), we accomplish that purpose that allows someone to navigate across the Philippines. Obviously it is not an exact science, so I had to make some judgment calls that I think made the most sense. I have no opinion on pipe versus slant, but there is no benefit in redoing all the templates for this minute difference in preference. Regards, -- P 1 9 9   14:30, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
  • I do like to get things right, or at least to break the rules in a standardised way, and to provide information concisely. What do you think of what I did to Daanbantayan?? OK or overkill? BTW where do you draw the line on adjacency? Any direction from any coastal municipality, you're bound to hit land somewhere. But I don't think there would be any benefit in for instance saying what is north / northeast / east of Daanbantayan. -- Unbuttered parsnip (talk) mytime= Wed 00:19, wikitime= 16:19, 10 February 2015 (UTC)
  • @Unbuttered Parsnip: Yeah, the distance is overkill (especially so big???), probably better adding that to a Geography section. Where to draw the line on adjacency? Well, I agree with you: you'll hit land eventually, so there is no benefit in adding places that are far away (only adds confusion). I only added municipalities where it was very clear or obvious (like small bodies of water), and where necessary for continuity of navigational links (like across straits, see for example Tingloy or Pilar, Cebu). Yes, where it would be confusing (like Laguna de Bay) I omit LGU's across the water. I have been very consistent in this approach, so in a way, the geo boxes are already standardized (well, there were consistent before someone removed the links ;-) ). -- P 1 9 9   17:06, 10 February 2015 (UTC)

Getting coords from wikidata[edit]

I think the "official version" will be a long time coming. I was told that removing coords from the infobox entirely will cause automatic default to wikidata values, but this didn't seem to work when I tried it. I have developed a template {{parseWDCoords}} and test-implemented it on Madridejos, Cebu. What do you think?

I also think the facility to fetch data for another page will be an even longer time coming, so that for instance deriving the accumulated population of a group of islands, such as Camotes, will not be an automated feature "in our lifetimes". It could be done at page level, or it could be built into wikidata itself. As it is, I think it will be neither.

-- Unbuttered parsnip (talk) mytime= Fri 19:27, wikitime= 11:27, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

  • @Unbuttered Parsnip: Kudos for trying to resolve this! You must have noticed that I have brought these issues to the attention of various talk pages before... As for {{parseWDCoords}}, if it is always meant to be used with {{#property:P625}}, why not hard-code it into the template so there is no need to add it as a parameter? For example, its use would be {{parseWDCoords|1}}, instead of {{parseWDCoords|{{#property:P625}}|1}}. And since this template has the potential to used in 100,000's of articles, I suggest to discuss this template at Template talk:Coord or Talk:Wikidata for more ideas and feedback. Regards, -- P 1 9 9   14:53, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
    • Well I prefer some flexibility, because (a) there could well be more than one coordinate type statement on wikidata; (b) I hold out the hope that some time in the future it will be possible to get data for a different entity. What I could do is make it optional with the default of P625. This would mean reversing the parameter order so type comes first. Tomorrow – now coming up to midnight here. -- Unbuttered parsnip (talk) mytime= Fri 23:17, wikitime= 15:17, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
    • I made changes along these lines. For auto-insertion, I think the infobox should invoke all 8 elements, even though some (e.g. arcseconds) may be absent. See Madridejos, Cebu, which has no arcseconds, and Bantayan Airport, which does. I think I'll run it past Frietjes and ‎Redrose64 first for comments before throwing it urbi et orbi. -- Unbuttered parsnip (talk) mytime= Sat 08:03, wikitime= 00:03, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
      • @Unbuttered Parsnip: Thanks again to tackling this. Looks like there is finally some action on it at {{Infobox settlement}} thanks to you. -- P 1 9 9   02:04, 1 March 2015 (UTC)
      • Well Frietjes is doing something, not entirely sure what. Her plan is to bring in all wikidata in one fell swoop, but I think there may be difficulties, for instance with municipality seal / flag, which keeps getting removed maybe because it's not in commons. Hard to say, because Ukrainian editor doesn't answer calls. Meanwhile I think I'll press on with mine, but 'as and when' rather than a mass update. -- Unbuttered parsnip (talk) mytime= Sun 11:03, wikitime= 03:03, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

Lapu-Lapu, Philippines[edit]


Hopefully we could update details for the Lapu-Lapu City Wikipedia Page. Some contents are outdated, and lacking. Thank you in advance. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 02:50, 3 March 2015 (UTC)


As a result of @BhlJRama: adding barangay maps to various (Bohol) municipalities, I have started looking at the barangays. So far, I have only looked at Ubay and its barangays (44 of them). My first puzzle is the coordinates on the article pages. It is not at all clear where these came from, but basically they have been there ab initio. The problem is that they do not at all concord with the maps published by NAMRIA. For instance Bongbong has 9°58′32″N 124°27′59″E, but my calculation from the map is 9°56'28"N, 124°27'15"E. It is pointless to try to verify with Google maps, wikimapia, etc., because they basically form a circular reference. My inclination is that in the absence of any other document, to use the values calculated from the NAMRIA maps. Incidentally these are readily available via Topographic Index Map 1:50,000. Unfortunately Ubay is spread over four sheets: 3820-I Alicia, 3821-II Talibon, 3921-III Lapinig Island and 3920-IV Mabini.

My second problem is with the maps themselves produced by BhlJRama. I think their colouring is not at all helpful, and to a large extent, with the lettering on top, contravene WP:CONTRAST. I am also uncertain of any reference points for these maps. I think they would be better as grey-shades or unshaded, with no lettering. Additions can generally be made at rendering stage. It would be relatively easy to develop a set of "location within" maps that way. I have tried contacting the user (3 times) with no response.

I know in the scale of things this is all basically trivial. However my feelings are that if anything is done, it should be done well, with reasonably true output.

-- Unbuttered parsnip (talk) mytime= Wed 16:31, wikitime= 08:31, 11 March 2015 (UTC)

  • @Unbuttered Parsnip: You are raising some valid concerns, and I agree that the accuracy may be questionable. And interestingly, the maps at NAMRIA are also hopelessly outdated! They are based on "aerial photographs taken in 1947-1953 and 1979". Quite frankly, I don't see any purpose for the maps because they add no value or significant info to the article. But I respect the editor's contributions. On the other hand, it may be better to bring this conversation to Wikipedia talk:Tambayan Philippines, because we can try to reach a consensus there whether or not the maps should remain, or what format it should have. BTW, see Wikipedia:WikiProject Cities/Settlements: Article structure before moving sections around. Regards, P 1 9 9   13:28, 11 March 2015 (UTC)
    • I think the amount of response we've got so far, we could have kept the conversation here! I've just added to the piece on Tambayan. There are all sorts of gross errors uncovered. It doesn't seem correct to maintain what basically is a set of lies. I think the barangay pages should all be scrapped, unless there is any notable.
      Incidentally, map maker (whose name escapes me) also went and blanked all the barangay talk pages, but I have recovered them. And it was he who resequenced some of the sections. -- Unbuttered parsnip (talk) mytime= Sun 21:51, wikitime= 13:51, 15 March 2015 (UTC)

Belize Barrier Reef edit[edit]

Re: your recent revert at Belize Barrier Reef, the editor who added that content also added similar content to a couple dozen other articles - all sourced to the same commercial blog ( As that blog is selling a service it fails WP:RS and the repeated addition of associated urls to a variety of articles was spam. I will agree that my edit summary should have been more clear - rather than just spam, sorry 'bout that. Please review the reference used on that edit: [1] and explain how it can pass our referencing policy. Vsmith (talk) 13:44, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

  • @Vsmith: I hadn't noticed that the external site was added to dozens of pages, which, I agree, makes the motive of these edits appear to be purely commercial. But referencing a commercial website is not wrong in itself. In fact, many commercial websites have very reliable info, especially of specialized info in their respective field. In this case, the added information was on topic, didn't promote the business, and wasn't written as an advert (although not entirely WP:NPOV). WP:RS states that "e-commerce links should be replaced with non-commercial reliable sources if available". -- P 1 9 9   19:13, 23 March 2015 (UTC)
    • Ouch, just found out this is likely to be a major WP:COI. The editor in question may well be the same as this one ! -- P 1 9 9   19:15, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

PH electorate[edit]

You probably noticed I was adding electorate numbers to pages. However I have come to a stop on that, as some of the data is deficient: Bogo City has numbers for 14 of 29 barangays missing, and even Cebu City has 10 barangays missing. I've not looked further. This is from the official Comelec web site. Until the numbers are present, there is no point in using them, as they paint a completely incorrect picture. -- Unbuttered parsnip (talk) mytime= Thu 17:34, wikitime= 09:34, 26 March 2015 (UTC)

OK I'll work on it <tomorrow>. But that's only at mun level, whereas Comelec promised to barangay.Unbuttered parsnip (talk) mytime= Thu 21:02, wikitime= 13:02, 26 March 2015 (UTC)
I've asked wikidata to add a new property PSGC code. I can't see any problems but it does take a week or so for it to happen. Meanwhile I'll wait. BTW a new property 'area' is coming soon, not before time. I think I'll also ask for income classification – settlement type is already held. -- Unbuttered parsnip (talk) mytime= Fri 11:48, wikitime= 03:48, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
  • @Unbuttered Parsnip: Great! I've wanted an area property for a long time. As for income classification, I don't care for it much, it isn't very useful... -- P 1 9 9   12:46, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
Seem that PSGC has been there all along – P988. Not much encoding though, so that may take some time. It also implies a different use of P150, which I thought just contained a type but in fact needs a list of members (pages). See Ubay, Bohol. After which I can change a couple of templates to use it (cf {{conditionalURL}}), but not until.
Also, I found a better Comelec page which gives voter numbers, and in some cases a m/f breakdown. That could be interesting on the demographics page – seems like women (voters) outnumber men in most places, around 1.05♀:1♂
Income classification may not matter much in itself, but for me anything that can be moved off the bespoke page and become a candidate for automation is good. – Unbuttered parsnip (talk) mytime= Sun 10:27, wikitime= 02:27, 29 March 2015 (UTC)
  • Thanks. When I get the chance, I will start adding {{PSGC detail}} to the infoboxes. Regards, -- P 1 9 9   13:51, 29 March 2015 (UTC)
I tweaked that so that first of all it tries for {{#property:P988}} then if that fails uses {{{1}}}. But using the template is only half the story – the property has hardly been populated at all on wikidata. Not at all on Bohol nor Cebu, which is what I've been covering so far, so I guess most places not. After these I'll move on to more of the Visayas. BTW 'area' property was approved in June 2013, but has been waiting since then for a number. I think I'll try to shake something. Unbuttered parsnip (talk) mytime= Mon 17:16, wikitime= 09:16, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

Lemery, Batangas[edit]

In this edit you changed the page to get data from Wikidata and it's now giving errors. I cannot see what is wrong myself – the wikidata page is there and seems to have the data – but I am unfamiliar with the methods used to access it so may have more luck identifying the problem.--JohnBlackburnewordsdeeds 22:58, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

The other new script error page, Orangeville, Ontario has a near identical problem, but it has had it for a lot longer. It must be something other that changes to that page that's causing it, the same is probably true of Lemery, Batangas.--JohnBlackburnewordsdeeds 23:06, 6 May 2015 (UTC)
Found a third; reported it here: WP:VPT#Wikidata date errors--JohnBlackburnewordsdeeds 23:17, 6 May 2015 (UTC)
  • @JohnBlackburne: I had noticed it but I thought it was just a matter of refreshing the cache, so I was waiting to see if it would resolve itself. Thanks for bringing this issue to the Village Pump. -- P 1 9 9   00:47, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

Possession of stolen goods[edit]

I am curious to ask why the commons picture that you chose in this article depicts a sidewalk in Vancouver. The caption reads "Officers of the Vancouver Police Department checking for stolen goods at a flea market", however the picture in question seems not to be of a flea market, but of a sidewalk. I am also curious as to whether this is the best depiction of stolen goods, as it is unclear that any of the items are identifiable stolen. I am further concerned with image given that faces are visible and aspersions are being cast against the person without evidence. If the person could be found, they would certainly not be happy about this Wiki page acting as judge and jury. Please comment. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 21:33, 4 June 2015 (UTC)

  • I choose this photo because it well illustrates that possession of stolen goods could get you in trouble with the law. I didn't take this photo, so I have to trust that the uploader knows best and provided the right description. It could easily be that the actual flea market is right behind the camera. No judgment or allegations are made, it merely shows a routine police check. So no, I don't think aspersions are cast (i.e. it doesn't say "officers charging someone for stolen goods"). That said, if you think there is a better image fitting this article, by all means, add it to the article. -- P 1 9 9   13:32, 5 June 2015 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Rick570/St Peter's College list (2nd nomination)[edit]

FYI: I have relisted this MfD because of sockpuppetry in the first discussion. JohnCD (talk) 14:11, 24 June 2015 (UTC)

DYK for Alfred Bog[edit]

Thank you for your help (pass it on) Victuallers (talk) 12:02, 5 July 2015 (UTC)


Why you deleted my edits on Kalibo? That is the correct native name of Municipality of Kalibo. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A03:2880:1010:DFF7:FACE:B00C:0:8000 (talk) 05:06, 30 July 2015 (UTC)


Are you aware of what a kook this guy is? And a self-publicist under various aliases. He claims he owns Stonehenge. Doug Weller (talk) 09:40, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

Ranking by area: Negros or Samar[edit]

Sources differ as to which island is larger:

Negros Samar Notes
12,710 km2 13,080 km2 "Negros". Encyclopaedia Britannica. 
"Samar". Encyclopaedia Britannica. 
13,075 km2 12,849 km2 "Islands by Land Area". Island Directory Tables. United Nations Environment Programme. 

I decided not to weigh in on the article until I've had time to do a bit more research. Whatever the result, Samar will need to cite a source. [[User:|Worldbruce]] (talk) 21:19, 18 September 2015 (UTC)

@Worldbruce: Thanks for the info; it almost seems that the numbers between EB and UNEP are switched. I have mostly used UNEP in island articles for consistency, but I will also do more research. In this case an authoritative primary source may be needed. -- P 1 9 9   01:04, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

Hopewell, Pennsylvania link to Hopewell Parish, Nova Scotia[edit]

FYI. In disambiguating at Hopewell Parish, New Brunswick recently, you gave up and chose to delink Hopewell, Pennsylvania. I thought of checking when the alternatives were settled, and that narrowed it down to the Chester County one. More at Talk:Hopewell Parish, New Brunswick. Your judgement was reasonable, but I just wanted to let you know that in this case it seems there was a way to reason it out. Knock on wood, hope i am right. :)

By the way, I just delinked another one where it was going to be impossible to find out which of 2 Nova Scotia places was the birthplace of an Alberta representative to House of Commons, and it really wasn't important. I did post at the Talk pages of the two alternatives though. --doncram 01:21, 24 September 2015 (UTC)

  • Thanks for your checking. But as food for thought: if you have to "knock on wood, and hope to be right", it is better to leave it out... It is better to leave it out than to have it wrong. -- P 1 9 9   01:28, 24 September 2015 (UTC)


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(Comment for you from another user). North America1000 14:05, 26 September 2015 (UTC)

I stand by my decision, I got nothing more to add. -- P 1 9 9   00:40, 28 September 2015 (UTC)


Here, you reverted an edit I had made to the Romblon article. Thank you for that reversion -- it fixed a screwup on my part. An edit summary on the reversion would have been useful, though. I should have put that info into the Romblon, Romblon article, and I have now done that here. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 01:09, 4 October 2015 (UTC)

  • @Wtmitchell: Yes, I wanted to add an edit summary, but inadvertently clicked on "rollback" on my watchpage which bypasses the option to do so. I noticed you already figured out that the info was misplaced on the province article instead of the LGU. Thanks again for adding it at the right article. Regards, -- P 1 9 9   01:12, 4 October 2015 (UTC)


Hi P199. Would you be interested in starting a WikiProject for Temagami? I'm kind of busy right now but I might be able to work on it sometime later on. There is currently over 100 Temagami-related articles and there is a lot more to create. Volcanoguy 22:11, 11 October 2015 (UTC)

@Volcanoguy: thanks for your efforts trying to improve WP. I think WikiProject Ontario is sufficient. There are hundreds of Ontario-related articles that are in need of improvement, and the Temagami area is not more important than other areas in Ontario that need attention. -- P 1 9 9   01:49, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
True, but there are only a few communities in Ontario that have several WP articles. When a locality has at least a few hundred articles a WikiProject can be created. Volcanoguy 04:08, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
@Volcanoguy: I suggest to bring this idea to WikiProject Ontario talk page (or maybe WikiProject Canada talk page) for a centralized discussion. Regards, -- P 1 9 9   15:12, 13 October 2015 (UTC)

Philippine: article structure[edit]

Trouble is, I had a stroke about 6 months ago. I've more or less got over, except is although I can read and listen fine, I am very hard to write, and speak also, although getting better with that. Not that I ever spoke at Wikipedia! Two problems are (a) I've least a lot of words: even though I think of things I can't put into words; (b) even know I can sentences / paragraphs, actually writing is like a foreign language, such as Martian, and takes me a long time to form writing, and often miss a word or two.

I do have things to talk of article structure. The basic form is OK, so History and Geography can be second-level sections, or can be Geography and History. But Geography has third-level sections, such as 'Physical geography', 'Land form' (and geology), 'Demography', 'Barangays', 'Culture'.

And what not to have includes WP:NOTDIRECTORY and WP:RS and general WP:NOTEVERYTHING.

Unbuttered parsnip (talk) mytime= Mon 15:23, wikitime= 07:23, 2 November 2015 (UTC)

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