User talk:PaleCloudedWhite

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Breathe deeply...

A barnstar for you! II[edit]

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The Special Barnstar is awarded to a user as a gesture of appreciation when there is no other barnstar which would be appropriate. Hafspajen (talk) 12:57, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
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William Trost Richards - Cornwall can be just as "well-stacked" as Dorset.

Thanks Hafs. I take a special pride in being inappropriate. Face-wink.svg PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 20:31, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

... it just means you got special needs. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:33, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
Only one of my personalities has special needs ... the other 59 are quite self-sustaining. PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 21:02, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
Happy ever after Hafspajen (talk) 21:11, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
"Wiggle your glasses and give us a smile." Martinevans123 (talk) 21:12, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

I Bet You Look Good On The Dancefloor ! Arctic Monkey (talk) 12:24, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

Yes, Dorset can get quite cold, you know! Martinevans123 (talk) 12:31, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
Twinkle, twinkle little bat... "A Mad Tea-Party" (talk) 12:34, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
I'd like to self-diagnose with dementia and claim my £55. Thank you, nurse. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:17, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

Lovely Halloween[edit]

Witch burning gummy bears.jpg Hello :PaleCloudedWhite- Hafspajen has given you some lovely Halloween gummy bears, to wish you a Happy Halloween! You see, these things promote WikiLove and hopefully this has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by giving someone else a gummy bear! Enjoy! Don't eat them all at once! Face-smile.svg Hafspajen (talk) 14:20, 27 October 2014 (UTC)

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Hmm, I've found some Gummi 'bares' - something tells me they can be eaten all at once... PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 09:16, 28 October 2014 (UTC)
You Won't See Me! Martinevans123 (talk) 09:31, 28 October 2014 (UTC)
HUH, WHAT A PSYCO HALLOWEEN. Face-grin.svgHafspajen (talk) 13:17, 28 October 2014 (UTC)

"Hubble bubble toil and toffee" (the noo)[edit]

Beware of girls in red dresses who say, "trick or treat?" PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 22:32, 31 October 2014 (UTC)
Mmm, nice earrings, Paley! Martinevans123 (talk) 22:38, 31 October 2014 (UTC)
A Whiter Shade Of Pale
Nice! But this is more me...
Huh, your complexity. Hafspajen (talk) 20:52, 23 November 2014 (UTC)

Hm, hm[edit]

The White Cloud, Head Chief of the Iowas
White Ape.jpg A Pale .... Whatever
Hm, monkeys flying around? Hafspajen (talk) 18:19, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
Personally I thought pornography fitted better, but never mind. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:58, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
Speeding (library) ticket.
I'm non the wiser as to the nature of what was visited upon my userpage - presumably it was an overflowing of effusive well-wishing that, had I seen it, would only have gone to my head... PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 21:46, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
It may have been a very amusing one-word substitution of your undergraduate course. But I'm not allowed to tell you, in case you get a bit "physical". Martinevans123 (talk) 21:58, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
Oh, who. Hafspajen (talk) 22:16, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
The only pornography I encountered as an undergraduate was courtesy of Robert and chums, which says something of my mental state at the time... PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 10:38, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

... same here, but you'd often find me stalking the undergrowth looking for my mates. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:03, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

...when in the forest, beware of grim hazards, such as limbs lying around, and general bodily disintegration... PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 11:26, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
OGM! I've been out-Easter Egged! curses!.... Martinevans123 (talk) 12:08, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

Marty you say you are Hungarian–English translator. what is that mean.azanyad picsaja - I always wondered. Hafspajen (talk) 11:28, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

FlagOfYorkshire.svg This user is wondering what is the point of anything

...something to do with elbows, I think. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:39, 13 December 2014 (UTC)


Whatever they? All Swedes Norwegian and Danish spell it St. Lucia. Hafspajen (talk) 11:22, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

Can we call you Norman? Martinevans123 (talk) 12:33, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
No. Hafspajen (talk) 12:36, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

you are insupportableHafspajen (talk) 12:56, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

Best wishes for a happy holiday season[edit]

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Season's Greetings! This message celebrates the holiday season, promotes WikiLove, and hopefully makes your day a little better. Spread the seasonal good cheer by wishing another user an Awesome Holiday and a Happy New Year, whether it be someone with whom you had disagreements in the past, a good friend, or just some random person. Share the good feelings! Joys! Hafspajen (talk) 01:52, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, Hafs (sorry for the delay). What is glögg? PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 23:15, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

That is glögg ... in Old Norse. Face-smile.svg Hafspajen (talk) 23:32, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
As drunk by Noggin the Nog, perhaps? PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 23:36, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

Nadolig hapus[edit]

Thankyou Martin! As you have seen, I've just come back from Santas Grotto - and I must say, it's more entertaining than this place ("You basically walk around a small wood, while people dressed as elves try to slow you down") Haha! PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 23:31, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

OMG, no! ... and those dreadful floral cuffs to contend with, too!? He's looking even more perma-tanned than our mate "mahogany Dave", this year. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:40, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
What kind of floral cult? Pure winter-wonderland Hafspajen (talk) 11:43, 24 December 2014 (UTC)
Looks like The Black and White Minstrel Show might be making a comeback... PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 23:55, 23 December 2014 (UTC)[[
How utterly ridiculous. But I think you'll find this version is more pc, these days. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:38, 25 December 2014 (UTC)
How utterly going to extremes. Hafspajen (talk) 17:54, 25 December 2014 (UTC)
The Black and White Menstrual Show? Sounds like an answer to that old joke, "I say I say I say, what's black and white and red all over?" Or then again, maybe the answer to that is this...? PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 21:11, 25 December 2014 (UTC)

Happy Holiday[edit]

Hello Cissie, A short note to wish you and yours "complements of the season". I may even put my teeth in for Christmas Day! Love, Ada, David J Johnson (talk) 15:17, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

Thankyou, Ada. Yes I would recommend keeping the dentures in position - they are necessary for the correct deportment and presentation of the face. And even the tenderest bird is tricky to manage without them... Best wishes, Ciss.

Happy New Year PaleCloudedWhite![edit]

Luncheon Still Life -
Ganymede gets all the best birds..!

Thankyou Hafs, you're very kind. (P.S. I took the liberty of reducing the size of your nuts...they were rather dominating the page...Face-smile.svg) PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 00:51, 1 January 2015 (UTC)

How very dare you - as Marty say. Methuselah (talk) 10:59, 1 January 2015 (UTC Your Lunch is already a Featured one. (talk) 10:54, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

He died just short of his 42nd birthday - sure you want to channel his vibes? PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 16:24, 15 January 2015 (UTC))
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Oh, terrible thought. Friendship (3390612269).jpgMethuselah (talk) 17:13, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

Let's wish for a great 2015[edit]

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Thankyou for your kind thoughts Gareth, mine is 'in the post'. PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 00:55, 1 January 2015 (UTC)

Mari Lwyd hapus[edit]

Happy New Year PaleCloudedWhite![edit]

100px Wishing you many wonderful experiences
Best wishes for health and happiness in the year ahead. Sminthopsis84 (talk) 13:23, 1 January 2015 (UTC)
Forgot this one

I like those! Wonderful! Nice to have lots of eyes watching my page. PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 11:08, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

Extras!!! Calceolaria uniflora.JPG Hafspajen (talk) 14:40, 16 January 2015 (UTC)

Happy Day[edit]

Dont.png Happy 22 January
Happy Don`t worry be happy Day for you! Hafspajen (talk) 17:46, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

What's up? Reply[edit]

No, not just that, or even that to any degree. I had a desire to return to the "real world" but now feel I would be better off just cutting down my time here. Thanks for your concern but I'll be back, with a smaller commitment. Britmax (talk) 09:55, 27 January 2015 (UTC)

Anyway, I have to stay with people doing things like this. I mean, what do they teach them in schools nowadays? Britmax (talk) 10:56, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
Presumably they "cribbed" their information from an unreliable source. PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 16:57, 27 January 2015 (UTC)


It is like Betula verrucosa and Betula pendula The Wrestlers by William Etty- though they don't look like they were wresling much
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Does that box have a veneer of Betula pendula?


Finders Kweepers... Hunting High and Low ... Your Chicken (talk) 22:47, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

One and the same! PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 10:00, 8 February 2015 (UTC)
Mud Festival - now these are wresling....!
Yes, but is it art?
HUH. ART? I think the guys to left look like - oh dear, I will never let you go, now that I found you... Hafspajen (talk) 00:18, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
Nah, the black guy's just trying to keep the white guy's loincloth from falling off... PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 00:29, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
  • They look sleepy. Hafspajen (talk) 01:37, 10 February 2015 (UTC)
And he lost his anyway, so what's the point? Hafspajen (talk) 01:38, 10 February 2015 (UTC)
Well maybe he's taking it down then, so that everyone can be naked? "The Nudist"
Tha's IT! Hafspajen (talk) 14:43, 12 February 2015 (UTC)


A Valentine sheep-doggie for you
Albert Bierstadt - Cloud Study, Moonlight

Are you sure that's cake, Hafs, and not a souvenir from Lechuguilla Cave? PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 14:33, 11 February 2015 (UTC)

Wasn't Doctor Who battling these in the 1970s? Martinevans123 (talk) 17:14, 11 February 2015 (UTC)
(Probably in a quarry somewhere in Dorset...) PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 17:34, 11 February 2015 (UTC)
It translates as a Spit cake ... how appetising! Ugh! ... spitting it out ... — | Gareth Griffith-Jones |The WelshBuzzard| — 16:46, 13 February 2015 (UTC)
Spit cake? Perhaps it's "composed of interwoven strands of salivary laminae cement"? Back to caves again.... PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 19:43, 13 February 2015 (UTC)
Good job it's not Spit the Dog! Martinevans123 (talk) 19:54, 13 February 2015 (UTC)
Earlier today I removed mine from my Talk; I have too much respect for my dentist. — | Gareth Griffith-Jones |The WelshBuzzard| — 19:59, 13 February 2015 (UTC)SMirC-cloudy.svg
Ah yes, I do remember you once reporting a clean bill of health after a dental visit. Anyway it's nice of you to pop in Gareth - if I'd known you were coming.... PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 20:18, 13 February 2015 (UTC)
If only. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:30, 13 February 2015 (UTC)
or you like horses better?
Sad things happen when you make love to Jones - all tokens are thrown away ... snif ... Hafspajen (talk) 23:42, 13 February 2015 (UTC)
SMirC-cloudy.svg - a standard signature for you? Hafspajen (talk) 15:08, 18 February 2015 (UTC)
Differenr mmoodes SMirC-rainy.svg or SMirC-hazy.svg or SMirC-thundery.svg Hafspajen (talk) 15:43, 18 February 2015 (UTC)
eh? PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 20:01, 18 February 2015 (UTC)
Uh. you Pale Clouded White ...SMirC-cloudy.svg. Hafspajen (talk) 20:11, 18 February 2015 (UTC)
A state or quality of feeling at a particular time: sad, upset? SMirC-rainy.svg ...a distinctive emotional quality ... SMirC-hazy.svg ...a prevailing emotional tone or general attitude:SMirC-thundery.svg Paley's mood. (angry)Hafspajen (talk) 20:16, 18 February 2015 (UTC)
My moog cloud?? PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 20:26, 18 February 2015 (UTC)
I was right. There was something spikey there. Hafspajen (talk) 20:32, 18 February 2015 (UTC)


Hi PaleCloudedWhite, Thank you for your note left on my talk page. Please read my contribution to the article's talk page in which I make it quite clear that the phrase 'underground tree' is used by scholars and in which I add the source. cheers Paul venter (talk) 08:34, 11 February 2015 (UTC)

That isn't the point. You do not have consensus for your addition. Your comment on the talk page is basically saying "I am right, the objectors are wrong, therefore I can revert to my version". It doesn't work like that. As per WP:BRD, please establish consensus on the article's talk page. PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 08:46, 11 February 2015 (UTC)

Royal Vauxhall Tavern[edit]

A typically fruity selection of bar snacks laid on by the RVT...

This article has been edited by someone who clearly does not have a NPOV and has made no attempt to hide it and even claiming control of the article. I made a few improvements (removing duplications, adding an image from Commons, correcting some poor English and addition of citations re Princess Diana visit) before I realised quite how much that user had changed the article. You tackled something similar re this article in Aug 2013, so I thought I should bring it to your attention - I am sure you know better than I do what should be done, I think it borders on vandalism. Emerald (talk) 21:57, 11 February 2015 (UTC)

Hello EmeraldRS. Thanks for contacting me about this. I had noticed that someone had been making changes a while back, but at the time I didn't have the time/energy to look at what they were doing. I'll have a look now. PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 22:31, 11 February 2015 (UTC)

Nice job, PaleCloudedWhite. As someone fond of the RVT I was a bit upset by the mess someone had made of the article. I will try to find some more references for the article and might find more detail for the history in the process.Emerald (talk) 09:56, 12 February 2015 (UTC)

Thanks. More citations would be good. It seems that from time to time, the owners/managers of the property edit the article so that it supplements their advertising, which of course doesn't suit Wikipedia. PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 10:01, 12 February 2015 (UTC)

Charlotte Brontë[edit]

Thanks for catching my mistake.Peas345 (talk) 12:40, 15 February 2015 (UTC)

That's OK, that's what happens around here. PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 21:46, 15 February 2015 (UTC)

Delete Sky clip from Dorchester[edit]

Upon returning to the nest site, Bill the stork said, "I'm sorry darling, but the local branch of Twig Shop had sold out of the larger sizes...

I've been trying to delete a non-existent Sky reference about Wellworths from the entry for Dorchester - but you and other editor have both reinstated it.

The Sky news piece has been deleted so it's not helpful for it to be there.

There is a video piece with Chris Evans which I created and own which is not dissimilar but when I swapped them, I was told by another editor that You Tube is not a reliable source !

I'd appreciate your thoughts.

Alastair Nisbet (talk) 20:54, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

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Hello Alastair. I didn't remove any Youtube link in my edit, although it is true anyway that Youtube is not normally considered a reliable source (although I understand it can be used in certain situations). The reason I restored the link to the non-existent Sky page is because I was following the advice given in this guide, which states that a URL link should not be deleted just because it is dead. When I restored the Sky link I also added a deadlink template to it (look at the reference and see), to draw attention to its moribund status. It may be possible to find an archived copy of the web address - though this is a process I am not familiar with as yet. It is also possible to supplement the deadlink with a working reliable source. Either way, simple deletion of the link should not be considered the first route to take. I hope that helps. PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 21:45, 23 February 2015 (UTC)
If I've mis-understood the issue here, then I apologise but if you are simply looking for a replacement source, this contains everything you need. --Ykraps (talk) 21:51, 23 February 2015 (UTC)
Thanks Ykraps, that's very helpful (I hadn't had time/energy to find a replacement ref). I've added it to the article. PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 09:37, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
"They came to a grizzled church, whose massive square tower rose unbroken into the darkening sky ..." MichaelHenchard123 (talk) 22:09, 23 February 2015 (UTC)
Ah, yes, shops and TV - the religion of modern Britain. Can't say I'm a believer... PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 09:37, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

Alastair Nisbet, why did you remove the link again half an hour after I'd directed you to a page that explained why just doing that isn't a good thing? PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 09:37, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for explaining - I didn't really see the point of including a dead link. I added a link to my own footage of the event because I knew it was a good piece which I own and was happy to share. Alastair Nisbet (talk) 05:34, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

The Echo piece is about the closing of the store in 2012, not it's opening to a huge media frenzy in 2009 - hardly a substitute Alastair Nisbet (talk) 05:36, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

Sources don't have to be entertaining; the Echo article includes the relevant facts to verify the statements in the article. PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 07:46, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

Close call[edit]

Someone looks a bit stony-faced...
Is that "Immortal with Toad" or just Frog That Will Never Die?

"incidentally his pet frogs won't be doing any leaping anytime soon after PCW managed to drown them": [2] Martinevans123 (talk) 23:25, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

I only did it to try and win a set of personalised hoodies for my squad... PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 23:33, 26 February 2015 (UTC)
hahaha, what a thought. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:37, 26 February 2015 (UTC)


The Seventh Plague of Egypt, John Martin, 1823
The Destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah, 1852
"I hope you don't think I'm being provocative" said Angel No.1, "but aren't we supposed to be working for the creative team?"

Hi, PaleCloudedWhite. I do Latin, but I have never really worked on the Latin of Domesday Book, which is a bit special. I am willing to try to help -- you are welcome to try me with specific questions -- but I have a suspicion that there must be someone else around who could do it better! You probably already know about Wikipedia:WikiProject Domesday Book, but that is not much use because as far as I know the project never really became active. The originator of that project, who really does know Domesday Book, seems to be untraceable on Wikipedia (the username is somehow wrong), but I have her email address and if you want to try to contact her I could forward a message. Just write it on my talk page and I will send it on as an email. (Don't send me an email -- my system email is inactive.) You could also ask Adam Bishop, who is listed as a participant in that WikiProject: how familiar he is with Domesday Book I don't know, but he is certainly a Latinist. Andrew Dalby 13:07, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

Many thanks for taking time to reply. At the moment it might be possible for someone to help without a good understanding of Latin, as I've been using Domesday-related sources that provide translations (though I suspect being a Latinist would assist). So far I have primarily been using 2 sources: this one and this one. The first source shows the actual entries for each place, such as here. The second source is rather basic, but it does provide a legible transcript of each entry's 11th-century name (such as here) - something the first source doesn't do. My main problem at the moment is that I don't know how to interpret settlements that have more than one Domesday entry, such as this one. How should such multiple entries be summarised with respect to one settlement? Should the figures in each entry be aggregated to give a total number of households, total acreage of meadow etc.? How should the manorial ownership be interpreted if there appears to be several lords and tenants-in-chief? Is this the kind of question you might be able to assist with? PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 21:09, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
"We're all doomed, I tell you, aye, Confutatis maledictis...." Martinevans123 (talk) 21:33, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
(Andrew, I hope you don't mind my friends adding colour to this conversation...) PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 22:03, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
ouch!! lol Martinevans123 (talk) 23:26, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
ouch!! --1671 Gérard de Lairesse - Apollo and Aurora.jpg-- Apollo and AuroraHafspajen (talk) 23:54, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
I shall press on regardless of noises off. I see the problem with Mappowder, all right. Thing is, both those sources are interpretations of the Domesday text. OpenDomesday (which I believe is run by the user who started our WikiProject) is extremely handy, but it can't tell you everything, because everything doesn't fit into any known database! Do you have an actual text or translation? I have the one-volume Penguin translation, which does indeed mention Mappowder 4 times in its index, but if you look at each entry in the text, you see why. Looking at OpenDomesday, on the other hand, it's very hard to see why.
Having said that, I think the quick answer to this specific problem is that normally you would get a correct answer by conflating the entries, but (a) there could be cases in which doubling of data is the result of conflicting claims or of misinterpretation by the Domesday clerks, (b) conflating the entries would be (in Wikipedia terms) synthesis, and (quite apart from Wikipedia rules) synthesis of primary sources in cases like this is a bad thing, because it often conceals a problem.
Must go now, but keep on asking questions if you like! Andrew Dalby 09:53, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
I don't have any translations or copies of the text; would it be handy if I did? I suppose it's looking likely that, using the sources I've been using so far, all that can be said of multiple-entry settlements is that they appear in the text X number of times, which is a shame.
Another problem with the OpenDomesday source is that it won't/can't state specifically who people are when their names appear in the text - it just gives their gender and states that more than one person may have that name, which means that in Wikipedia entries, it isn't possible to wikilink them. Do you know whether other Domesday sources may be more specific? PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 19:06, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
I don't know the answer to that. The Penguin translation doesn't have an index of persons. Perhaps the Phillimore editions do, but I don't have any of those. I can think of no better way to pursue these people than (a) to search for each name + Domesday on Google, or (b) to look at the Victoria County Histories which (where they exist) include a detailed study of Domesday Book for each county, discussing identifications of landowners and tenants.
I don't know quite how deep you want to wade into this, but, if you already have your boots on, a full translation such as the Penguin would be useful. OpenDomesday is very good but it gives you a sort of snippet view of the text (and hard to read, too). Andrew Dalby 16:43, 7 March 2015 (UTC)
I can see I'm going to have to invest in some books (adding them to my mental list...)
Incidentally is it more correct to not use the definite article when writing about Domesday Book? So far I have tended to write " 1086 in the Domesday Book...", but I notice sources tend to omit the definite article... PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 21:25, 7 March 2015 (UTC)
Ive looked at this in the past and I (did) know where you might find help. Look at Weston-on-Trent to see what it might look like Victuallers (talk)
Thanks. I had previously seen that kind of 'Domesday infobox' elsewhere, and it does look like a good way to present the information. But the problem is still one of first having to understand the Domesday sources, which isn't always straightforward. I'll probably have to obtain a copy of the original text and learn Latin. Quite simple really.... :) PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 22:13, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

For you[edit]

Tawning up after the schock.
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Henri Fantin-Latour - Basket of Roses (15568754121).jpg Garden Award
Henri Fantin-Latour - Basket of Roses Pepsi (talk) 00:48, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

Thanks Peppers! PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 08:40, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

Anthony Abbot in bad company
"I'm a pain in your rectum, I am that bitch y'all slept on". ENJOY!! Martinevans123 (talk) 20:16, 17 March 2015 (UTC)
I like that! (I bet Michael Jackson was wondering what sort of company he was keeping heh heh....) PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 21:34, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

Time for Outrage! ... Hafspajen (talk) 21:18, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

What? Old Peter T getting up to his bishop bashing again? PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 21:34, 17 March 2015 (UTC)
We all love a bit of "bashing the bishop", now and again, don't we lads. Martinevans123 (talk)
What a jaunty rhythm they've worked up there... PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 23:01, 17 March 2015 (UTC)
No use fighting it - "resistance is futile"... PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 08:11, 20 March 2015 (UTC)
How did I ever got in this company? Maybe it was someting I ate?

Everybody tells me that it's so hard to make it It's so hard to break yeah There's no way to fake it Everybody tells me that it's wrong what I'm feeling And I shouldn't believe in The dreams that I'm dreaming

I hear it every day I hear it all the time I'm never going to amount too much But they're never going to change my mind, no

[Chorus] [2x] Tell me, tell me, tell me Something I don't know, something I don't know Something I don't know

How many inches in a mile What it takes to make you smile Get you not to treat me like a child, baby

[Chorus] Tell me, tell me, tell me Something I don't know, something I don't know Something I don't know

Tell me, tell me something I don't know Tell me, tell me something I don't know

Everybody tells me I don't know what I'm doing The life I'm pursuing The odds I'll be losing Everybody tells me that it's one in a million Like one in a billion Or one in a zillion

I hear it every day I hear it all the time I'm never going to amount too much But they're never going to change my mind, no

[Chorus [2x] Tell me, tell me, tell me Something I don't know, something I don't know Something I don't know

How many inches in a mile What it takes to make you smile Get you not to treat me like a child, baby

[Chorus] Tell me, tell me, tell me Something I don't know, something I don't know Something I don't know

[Rap] Selena hit the track Like Katrina making waves Like Cold Medina, make them say "I'm ready!" Are you ready for it? [Yeah, I'm ready for it] Really ready for it? [Yeah, I'm ready for it]

I'm on my way I know I'm going to get there someday It doesn't help when you say It won't be easy

[Chorus] [2x] Tell me, tell me, tell me Something I don't know, something I don't know Something I don't know

How many inches in a mile What it takes to make you smile Get you not to treat me like a child, baby

[Chorus] [3x]

Tell me, tell me, tell me
Something I don't know, something I don't know
Something I don't know
Nah, just "Tell Me Something Good" Martinevans123 (talk) 23:41, 20 March 2015 (UTC)
... "for you" ... "for me" ... "for Phoebe still a baby".... PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 01:26, 21 March 2015 (UTC)
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I think that Timpace may be a sockpuppet . Please see [3] Michael Glass (talk) 02:03, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

I had noticed this investigation already, and it could be a possible explanation for the intransigent behaviour, though I haven't knowingly had interaction with DeFacto before, so any analysis of mine would be limited. I am assuming that your unwillingness to revert their edits is due to the general sanctions? Unfortunately the RfC that I instigated doesn't seem to be a popular dish on the menu. I am not sure what other avenues are available. Wikipedia is sometimes rather unhelpful to editors who follow the proper channels. PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 05:33, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

Happy Easter[edit]

02.014 Ostermarkt 2014 in Sanok.JPG Happy Easter
Happy Easter....  ! Hafspajen (talk) 19:03, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

Titter ye not[edit]

... not so bland?

At this rate, you might be looking at a WP:GA for Blandforum Forum! Titter ye not, missus. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:36, 11 April 2015 (UTC)

Do you think Wikipedia's powers that be will award me half a yard of gold brocade? (P.S. Blandforum Forum?) PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 23:57, 11 April 2015 (UTC)

Cerne Giant.[edit]

Hi, I have noticed that an adjudication has been given on the question of units on the Cerne Giant article. See this diff. Do you think this settles the issue? Michael Glass (talk) 02:58, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

One would hope so, though of course on Wikipedia nothing is ever finally settled, so I wouldn't be surprised if another discussion springs up on the same issue. I had stepped back from the discussion because I think MOSUNIT needs changing - as I stated in the discussion, the existence of the footnote (and the interpretation of it) makes these kinds of disagreements more difficult to settle. PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 08:36, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

Is another RFC worth the time and trouble involved? What do you think? Michael Glass (talk) 23:12, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

I'd concentrate on seeing if it's possible to get that MOSUNIT footnote changed or removed - I can't see how it being there helps Wikipedia, as it just encourages time-wasting disagreements. PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 00:47, 13 June 2015 (UTC)

Thank you[edit]

Globe-barnstar2.png The Geography Barnstar
for your help in improving the hydrology and water quality on the article about the River ToneRod talk 17:21, 17 June 2015 (UTC)

Thanks. Glad to be of help, if only in a small way. PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 08:05, 18 June 2015 (UTC)

Nigella Lawson[edit]

Okay, I've added my piece on the talk page as you requested. Cexycy (talk) 00:44, 20 June 2015 (UTC)

Thanks. I've replied. (and I'm going to bed now, so it'll be a few hours before I make any further input) PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 00:51, 20 June 2015 (UTC)
What! Not notable?! The Telegraph even reminded us it was actually "German, Italian and French language skills"! What's not to like?? Martinevans123 (talk) 10:08, 20 June 2015 (UTC)
Oh, Christ! What is wrong with everyone today? Is it not possible for an upstanding member to keep filth out of Wikipedia? ("look how the cream squirts out the end when you put your mouth around it...") PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 10:53, 20 June 2015 (UTC)

Welcome to sunny Wraxall[edit]

You might also want to have a look at Talk:Wraxall, Somerset. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:34, 21 June 2015 (UTC)

Do you think there's enough aggro there to whet my appetite? You do appreciate that I only like engaging in discussions with editors who call me a cunt and tell me to fuck off.... PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 11:03, 21 June 2015 (UTC)
Young Gardener (so definitely not me then) ... It's kind of about a gard'ner, and he's getting on in years, and he's stuck in this small town. Small towns fascinate me: you struggle like hell to get out but some people want to stay 'cause then they're the big fish in the small pond, and then others just kind of get stuck there. So here he is, working in this little place and then an old flame comes in and she's probably driving a nice car and looking kind of sharp—but he's moved on. Then he sees her and at first he doesn't even remember who he is, and then he realises who it is but he's just too embarrassed to say 'hello'.— | Gareth Griffith-Jones |The WelshBuzzard| — 10:21, 26 July 2015 (UTC)
A nice car? PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 12:28, 26 July 2015 (UTC)
Too much "scrumpy"! — | Gareth Griffith-Jones |The WelshBuzzard| — 11:16, 21 June 2015 (UTC)
There's no juice in my orchard, Gareth, though I wouldn't like to vouch for the abstinence of certain IP editors... PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 12:14, 21 June 2015 (UTC)
So sorry to hear about your juice problem, PCW. I think you can get pills for that. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:27, 21 June 2015 (UTC) p.s. Doris sends kindest regards.
Doris Fyne-Plums
Sucked through her gums
As she entered the trattoria;
Her husband Reg
("Meat and two veg")
Had not invited Victoria!
PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 08:51, 22 June 2015 (UTC)
Doris tells me she's "deeply touched". Setting your sights on this year's Eliot perhaps? Martinevans123 (talk) 10:08, 22 June 2015 (UTC)
In case you missed our friend. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:17, 23 June 2015 (UTC)
Hmm, there appears to be a bit of a nip in the air, doesn't there? PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 22:30, 23 June 2015 (UTC)
"Like an unseasonable stormy day,
Which makes the silver rivers drown their shores,
As if the world were all dissolved to tears,
So high above his limits swells the rage
Of PaleCloudedBroke" - (Richard II, Act III, Scene 2).
I see. "Nowt so queer" etc. Looks like damage has been inflicted elsewhere ("The January record high strangely occurred when it was dark"). Oh dear. PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 23:17, 23 June 2015 (UTC)
I'm amazed that you've discovered it's our Tomasz. Surprised he can find time to fit it all in. And him such a dish, too! Martinevans123 (talk) 12:23, 24 June 2015 (UTC)


Did not expect you, Hpj, to be a reader of our Daily Mail. — | Gareth Griffith-Jones |The WelshBuzzard| — 13:06, 26 July 2015 (UTC)
First thing I do every morning... What do YOU read, people? Hafspajen (talk) 13:09, 26 July 2015 (UTC)
Never eat frogs, though
Good God! Certainly not this rag — a British tabloid Sunday newspaper, founded as The People on 16 October 1881. — | Gareth Griffith-Jones |The WelshBuzzard| — 13:17, 26 July 2015 (UTC)
What, so no-one here reads ITN with their morning cornflakes? How shocking! PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 13:25, 26 July 2015 (UTC)
NOO CORNFLAKES!!!!! What on earth. When there is ham and bacon and eggs, hey there. Hafspajen (talk) 13:34, 26 July 2015 (UTC)
Are the eggs green? PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 13:54, 26 July 2015 (UTC)
You are vegetarian, Paley. Hafspajen (talk) 14:14, 26 July 2015 (UTC)
Not quite. I eat fish. But not ham - which I never particularly liked even when I ate meat, all those decades ago....... PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 14:25, 26 July 2015 (UTC)
Well, every man with his own preferences. I eat meat, thoug I prefer fish and eggs. Heart figolla.jpgHafspajen (talk) 14:37, 26 July 2015 (UTC)

Punjab India, not Pakistan[edit]

Durdledoor Sunset - 03 March 05.jpg

Punjab is located in India, not Pakistan. If you wish to move Punjab in to Pakistan, please discuss the proposed edit in the Talk:Cuscuta page, otherwise your edit will continue to be reverted. This is the second time I have had to revert your change. Thanks. Damotclese (talk) 15:10, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

After further evaluation, I agree with you, Pakistan is correct. Thanks. Damotclese (talk) 15:17, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
Ahem. I think you'll find it's actually in Bradford. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:38, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
Well that's all settled then, and no-one has had to move Punjab anywhere - phew! (and just for the sake of correctness, I think you only reverted me once, Damotclese) PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 21:18, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

IP reversion needed[edit]

Please could you look at the Baltasound article and put it back to the last good version? Not something I can do. SovalValtos (talk) 23:45, 19 August 2015 (UTC)

Actually you had only reverted them once, and they've been blocked as a sock, so you could have reverted again. Anyway, I've removed all the dodgy data - though I haven't removed all that editor's additions, because some of the info is properly sourced. PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 00:44, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
Thank you for that. I can do simple reversions but those involving multi-stages are beyond me so far. SovalValtos (talk) 00:56, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
Even without Rollback it's possible to undo several edits in one go: go into the article history, view the article as it existed on a date before the problematic edits occurred, go into edit mode and save that version of the page. Of course, if there are beneficial edits mixed among the problematic ones, this method cannot be used as it will remove the beneficial edits as well - though sometimes it's possible to manually add them back, if they're not complicated. PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 06:52, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

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Salford's finest[edit]

Yorkshireman takes his cat to the vet's....
Vet: "Is he a tom"?
Yorkshireman: "No, I brought him wimme."

I'm sure you'd never have heard our Bernard telling jokes in such poor taste as this (?) Martinevans123 (talk) 22:24, 8 September 2015 (UTC)

A Yorkshireman might say that folks from Salford ain't what they used to be..[4].. PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 07:10, 9 September 2015 (UTC)


Note to be removed by user: Please can you stop editing 'Bournemouth' article, by removing the urban population of Bournemouth, this statistic is essential in this article and you keep removing without a valid explanation. The urban population is 466,626 and this 'statistic' is featured in many other articles. We both know that the population of the region is much larger than what your trying to make it out to be which doesn't make sense. Please check Reading, Southampton and Portsmouth as they all feature this statistic. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 00:14, 26 September 2015 (UTC)

Please keep discussion to the article's talk page. Thanks. PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 07:40, 26 September 2015 (UTC)

Okeford Fitzpaine[edit]

Thank you so much for the work you did on what I added to Okeford Fitzpaine. All too often I get castigated for not formatting it right, etc., and (what pisses me off sumfink chronic) my efforts are simply "reverted", see my Talk Page. And thank you for adding a pic of the school - I'm surprised you didn't also add one of the pub - in which FAR more people would be interested !  ;-)

Our house in the village ( was sold in 1966 - we have a scan of the auction catalogue, & have done a fair bit of research on the house & its previous owners, e.g see my additions to George Pitt-Rivers's Wikipedia entry. The Wikipedia Gestapo deleted my entry for Stella....

Two things - "Pre-history", by definition, is NOT "History" ! And... why is your picture of a rose stem upside down ?

Thanks again - in my view, PRECISELY what Wikipedia is about ! RobinClay (talk) 23:15, 24 October 2015 (UTC)

Hello RobinClay. I'm glad you are pleased by the work that I did to the article, though I can understand why your additions might be reverted by other editors. Wikipedia has its own policies and guidelines, and edits are more likely to run into trouble if they don't adhere to them. Formatting issues are minor, but I really recommend that you don't copy-and-paste information from copyrighted work - that really is waving a red flag to a bull. I'm interested in Dorset and rural affairs and this is why I have been taking the time to work through your addition. Unfortunately a lot of sources about villages don't pass the reliable sources test—mostly because they are self-published—and so aren't really usable. I'll see if I can find alternatives to some of the sources you used.
I wrote an article for Dorset Life last year, in which, amongst other things, I wrote about the moss-collecting on Okeford Hill, though Dorset Life have since sat on it (I suspect they'll never publish it, even though they said they would). As part of my research I had quite a long conversation with an Okeford resident, which was very interesting. It saddens me a little to hear that rural industry in the village is being replaced by houses - I wonder if the new residents will have an appreciation of the lives of the people who were there before? Rather ironic in the parish where Jack Hargreaves used to live!
I know pre-history is not history, but it's usual to place all the historical info together in one section - sub-sections can be created later, if/when there is more material to work with.
The rose stem is not upside-down! PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 08:01, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
This Okeford Fitzpaine parish plan from the Dorset For You website, contains lots of information.[[5]] There is also quite a bit at British History Online, here[[6]] and some more info at the A Vision of Britain website.[[7]]. All reliable sources!--Ykraps (talk) 12:05, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
If you have a Dorset library card, you can also access the Oxford Dictionary of National Biography, here,[[8]] which has an entry on George Henry Lane-Fox Pitt-Rivers.--Ykraps (talk) 12:18, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
Thanks Ykraps. I'm familiar with British History Online, and it is currently used as a ref in the article. I've seen A Vision of Britain before, but didn't realise it can be classed as reliable. I've used dorsetforyou quite a bit in the past, including for parish plans, but I'm curious how you managed to extract a url for a direct link to the document? Usually I'm not able to do this, and instead have to settle to a link to a dorsetforyou page with lists of pdf links that readers can then click on - such as this (and if I try to access such pdfs directly via a google search - i.e. not via dorsetforyou - Wikipedia tells me such links are forbidden for some reason). PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 07:20, 26 October 2015 (UTC)
If you right click on the link, select 'copy shortcut', and paste, this will give you the direct url address to the document. Works for Excel too. I've also received that message and I think it's to do with addresses that contain a redirect from another site. For example, Google. I think Vision of Britain is okay, published by University of Portsmouth, I have used it in a few Good Articles for historical population references and quotes from old travel writers. Am I going mad? Where has BHO been used?--Ykraps (talk) 07:07, 27 October 2015 (UTC)
The BHO ref is currently no.4 in the article, under the title 'Okeford Fitzpaine', in An Inventory of the Historical Monuments in Dorset, Volume 3, Central (London, 1970), pp. 200-207. PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 07:15, 27 October 2015 (UTC)
Ah yes, completely barking then.--Ykraps (talk) 10:01, 31 October 2015 (UTC)

For you II[edit]

Privat-Livemont-Absinthe.jpg Skål!
An Absinthe Houdini-style for you! Hafspajen (talk) 10:41, 26 October 2015 (UTC)
Oh, I see. Artistic Paley gets a lovely alluring young lady, while I get a cronky old flying green dragon!! Martinevans123 (talk) 11:11, 26 October 2015 (UTC)
You know what they say - "You Can't Huri Love." (even if this Paley means pudding). Martinevans123 (talk) 11:36, 26 October 2015 (UTC)
Paley-man has never posted ghastly things on Hafs' talkpage, so I get lovely things back heh heh.... PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 20:49, 26 October 2015 (UTC)
Personally, I find our Mari quite fetching in that ethnic headgear. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:58, 26 October 2015 (UTC)


"Do you see what I see?" The cute ittle Christmas weather drummer-boy seems to have come early this year. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:53, 6 November 2015 (UTC)

Sheesh! Seems you were in the shadows there... just waiting to pounce! Martinevans123 (talk) 22:15, 6 November 2015 (UTC)
I've just started using Twinkle, you know... PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 22:22, 6 November 2015 (UTC)
Ah yes... like a tea-tray in the sky. LutwidgeDodgson123 (talk) 22:15, 6 November 2015 (UTC)

DYK for Fuchsia gall mite[edit]

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:02, 8 November 2015 (UTC)

My first DYK - how exciting! Thanks! (I see it's already received its first bout of vandalism, haha!...) PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 07:36, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
"Respect" ... that's one more than me. Your vandal has "form". — | Gareth Griffith-Jones |The WelshBuzzard| — 08:46, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
Thankyou Gareth. The submission process was really rather painless - perhaps I'll do a few more! PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 10:07, 8 November 2015 (UTC)

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Yes, done correctly, thankyou Gareth; you must include bot edits on your watchlist - does that make you a bot watcher? PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 11:33, 17 November 2015 (UTC)
Ha ha! No, there are no bots on my watchlist ... picked it up from my having you on it.
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What I meant was that you must see when a bot edits a page on your watchlist - is that not the case? I've hidden bot edits in my preferences, so don't see when bots edit pages on my watchlist. PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 12:09, 17 November 2015 (UTC)
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