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Beverly McKnight[edit]

Hello Pam:

I added references and hope I did it correctly. I also have newspaper photos, but do not know how to upload. Thank you.

Jeff Holden

Saera - stub template location, disambiguation revert[edit]

Hallo PamD! 1) Please explain and hence let me to learn form you: why you have placed {{software-stub}} at the end instead at the start of article? At end of article it is not visible for reader, hence does not play its role as something that point or underline something important for reader, here information this is stub? I have added stub template as the one you have place at the end simply is irrelevant in the meaning not visible. As I have seen so far all similar templates are located at start of page, and IMHO that is reasonable while located at the end is useless. Your contribution:

18:34, 10 August 2015‎ PamD (talk | contribs)‎ . . (4,311 bytes) (-9)‎ . . (remove misplaced and superfluous stub tag - it's already got a stub tag at the end, in the correct place) (undo | thank)


Article: Saera (intelligent personal assistant)

2) BTW: please redirect Saera (intelligent personal assistant) from Saera (software) as this is misleading. You use "handy computer terminal with ability to communicate via GSM network" most probably everyday, but always you will describe it simply "mobile" and never as above mentioned. That is very similar situation. However formally (software) is correct but it is not adequate in this context while used is (intelligent personal assistant) for this purpose.

I appreciate your contribution, even when disagree.

Ocexyz (talk) 21:14, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

@Ocexyz:. Stub tags all go at the end of articles: see WP:ORDER. No article should have {{stub}} for any length of time, because people work at stub-sorting to categorise stubs by adding a more specific template instead, such as {{software-stub}}. I don't know where you have seen "all similar templates are located at start of page". Most other templates go at the start of an article, but stub templates do not: they are not "similar" to {{unreferenced}} and other maintenance categories in that way.
As for the title of the article: article titles have an added "disambiguator" if this is needed to distinguish the article from one or more other articles. If there was nothing else in the encyclopedia called "Saera", then this article would be at the title "Saera". As there are other uses, we need a title which distinguishes it from a person and a wasp. "Saera (software)" is adequate. If there was another kind of software, we would use a slightly more detailed name. The title does not aim to tell the reader what the article is about: that's for the article itself to do. The title just needs to be the name by which the topic is known, with whatever addition is needed to make it be different from all other article titles. You can see this process in other areas: if only one person is "John Smith", then the article is at that name. If there are two, they might be "John Smith (politician)" and "John Smith (footballer)". If there are two footballers, we get "John Smith (English footballer)" and "John Smith (Belgian footballer)". Then "John Smith (English footballer, born 1890)" and "John Smith (English footballer, born 1952)". But the aim is for titles to be kept as simple as possible, with the disambiguator no longer and more specific than it needs to be.
I hope these explanations make things clearer for you. What you need to do right now is to find, and add to the article, any Reliable sources which provide independent coverage of Saera to shows its WP:Notability while it is under discussion at AfD. (And you might like to copy-edit your text there: the word for having a lot of money is "rich", not "reach", twice).
By the way, to mention a template within a talk page comment as you did with {{software-stub}} above, you need to type {{tl|software-stub}} ("tl" short for "template link"). (I fixed it in your comment above). PamD 22:40, 10 August 2015 (UTC)
Thank you. Spelling corrected. Stub policy is explained, however is counter efficient - stub at the end is not informative hence useless. Specific or not specific IMO ought to be at start, at the end is omitted by most of those to whom can be relevant as potential contributor. In consequence useless for Wikipedia improvement so can be liquidated at all. Nobody looks at the end if eventually there is a stub template.
Concerning disambiguator for Saera please note there is Cortana (intelligent personal assistant) and this is correct as support Wikipedia as useful tool and wiki as such. What is your opinion for this title? I just have used this solution. I think article names were introduced long time before Wikipedia to allow easy searching through.

Ocexyz (talk) 06:00, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

@Ocexyz: Thank you for pointing out the poorly titled Cortana article. I will follow it up when not on mobile. If you disagree with the longstanding policy about placement of stub tags then please start a debate, rather than just acting against the rules. PamD 06:20, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
I didn't want to report Cortana, just wanted to point better way and better practice, better for Wikipedia and its users.

Ocexyz (talk) 06:30, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

The Signpost: 12 August 2015[edit]

The Signpost: 19 August 2015[edit]

Invitation to Editathon[edit]

Hi PamD, I am organising another Editathon - this time at Clitheroe Castle Museum. See page for details Wikipedia:GLAM/Clitheroe Castle Museum. I hope you can come. Jhayward001 (talk) 14:50, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

The Signpost: 26 August 2015[edit]