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Larkspur Press[edit]

For the moment, I'm going to leave aside from the fact that it took you eight hours, not "a couple of minutes", to create the category in question. The main thing is that if I'm in the middle of working with the untagged uncategorized articles list and a page I've already tagged suddenly comes bouncing back onto the list again barely minutes after I've cleared it, then I have to immediately stop everything else I'm doing and unbounce it again before I even go back to the rest of the batch I'm still in the middle of tagging, because that's the way the job of tagging uncategorized articles works.

If you want to use a category that doesn't exist yet, then you have the option of creating it first and then applying it to the article after it's been converted into a bluelink — but as the person who's doing an uncats-tagging run, I do not have the option of simply leaving it as a redlink-categorized article pending something that might happen in the future. My responsibility, when working with that tool, is to get it cleared to absolute zero each and every time I'm working with it — I cannot leave some articles sitting on it just because somebody might deign to eventually create the category in question. People frequently add redlinked categories without intending to create them right away, and it's not my responsibility to be able to read anybody's mind.

If a page shows up on the uncats list, then I have to do whatever is necessary (creating it, restripping and retagging it again, or replacing it with other categories) the very moment I see it there at all, especially if it's bouncing right back at me mere minutes after I've already dealt with it the first time — because keeping that list clean is the categorization project's single overarching "trump card" priority. As the categorizer, you have other options (i.e. creating the category first and then applying it), while as the tagger, I don't have the option of simply leaving the page on the uncats list — so you're free to feel as inconvenienced as you want by it on your own time, but you don't get to put it on me as some kind of error or inappropriate action or unwikilike conduct on my part, when I merely took the action that the task I was working on required me to take. Bearcat (talk) 07:37, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

@Bearcat: Perhaps in an ideal world your "uncats" list would have a five minute delay. I don't know where you got your "eight hours" from: Category added at 23:56, and Category created 23:57. Some confusion over time zones? Yes, another time I'll Preview but not save, then create the cat. It's obviously much less typing to add the redlinked category first, then click on it to create it, which is what I was doing here.
But perhaps if it bounces back into your list you could try a little WP:AGF and assume that the editor who's added it is about to create it? Just for five minutes? PamD 07:48, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

Apologies and thanks[edit]

Ah, I see now. I saw 134 was, essentially, a useless article in a category that wasn't complete yet and decided to merge this into it to help. Thanks on picking that up so quickly! KieranTribe (talk) 20:21, 16 May 2015 (UTC)

@KieranTribe: "Notability" of numbers seems a bit of a grey area.
  • At Wikipedia:WikiProject_Numbers#How_far_to_go.3F there is a "proposal" to have individual articles on all integers from -1 to 200 whether otherwise notable or not.
  • At Wikipedia:Notability (numbers) it is noted that "however, it is accepted that every integer between −1 and 101 has its own article even if it is not as interesting as the other."
  • It looks as if there is an article for every number up to 200 but not thereafter: 247 (number), which redirects to 240 (number), is the first I can find without its own article.
  • Looking further... 134 (number) was gutted a few months ago, and I've now reverted to the previous state - which is very similar to that for many other integers. I hope you agree it looks a bit more respectable now.
  • And there's a whole set of road number lists - and I've added the UK A134 road to that list I rescued, while I was there - the sort of one-thing-leads-to-another which makes editing Wikipedia such fun, and such a time sink. Enjoy your editing. PamD 20:52, 16 May 2015 (UTC)
@PamD: Ah, thanks. I should've checked the revision history, it's so annoying when people vandalize like that. Mm, that's why I felt that it needed the content and not a deletion, the fact that all those pages exist. And you. :-) KieranTribe (talk) 11:15, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

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Amazingly fast pick-up of a merge I shouldn't have done, and really helpful afterwards. Thanks! KieranTribe (talk) 11:17, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

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Regarding the stupid and ridiculous fuss over adding one stupid definition to one stupid article explaining the uses of an abbreviation, it is a sad state of affairs for this enterprise that people are allowed to force through their edits simply by virtue of having the time and obsessiveness to come back again and again undoing someone else's good work. (talk) 14:33, 23 May 2015 (UTC)

@ Alternative viewpoint: it's a good thing that there are people around with the energy to uphold long-established rules despite other editors' preferences to ignore the rules. What part of WP:DABABBREV is not clear? It says "Do not add articles to abbreviation or acronym disambiguation pages unless the target article includes the acronym or abbreviation". Just edit the article on Legal highs to add the terminology you consider so important, with its abbreviation, and then the abbreviation will be a valid entry on the dab page. And then please make a Redirect from the spelled-out version of the phrase too.
... but I've just found that New psychoactive substance already redirects to Designer drug, where the term and its abbreviation NPS are both mentioned, so I'll now add that to the NPS dab page... Done. PamD 14:45, 23 May 2015 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Clare Richards[edit]

You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Clare Richards. You may be interested in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Clare Richards, since you said in an earlier edit that Clare Richards is not a DAB page. Thanks. π♂101 (talk) 21:40, 24 May 2015 (UTC)

Wikiquotes ...[edit]

Wondering if you followed up at all on this exchange. I just picked up another case of wholesale removal, to Chris Lehane here. There are more indications in the user's User Contributions, some on lists, some on articles with 'wikiquotes' as the opaque-ish explanation, of wholesale removals; then a cessation of all activity, under IP# at least, in August last year. I don't have a strong feeling for the quotes or an inclination to do a wholesale reversal but feel I'm closer to your inclusive bent than to the other user's rather fearsome attitude. I am inclined to reverse the Lehane-article removal -- the quotes have good citations, seem worth having in. Curious, would appreciate any thoughts. Swliv (talk) 21:21, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

@Swliv: This editor's quotes-removing was discussed at [[1]] - see several threads on Dennis Brown's talk page, archived here, also here and here (all 3 threads on same archive page), and there's also a mention there of a discussion at Village pump. But, no, I haven't followed it up at all. Good luck! PamD 22:27, 25 May 2015 (UTC) (links improved 16:45, 26 May 2015 (UTC))
@Swliv: Found the VP discussion: Wikipedia:Village_pump_(policy)/Archive_114#WP:QUOTE. Not very conclusive, but might be worth a read. PamD 22:37, 25 May 2015 (UTC)
PamD, thanks much. Not my priority at moment but will get back to it. 13:46, 26 May 2015; I've reversed the removal on the Lehane page and linked to this discussion here on the Talk page there. I'll put a link to that Talk page also at the Village Pump and other discussion you cited above here if it seems appropriate. Thanks again. Swliv (talk) 16:27, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

The article Puvvulaku Rangeyyala[edit]

I think this is also done by a sockpuppet-but not 100% sure yet. Puvvulaku Rangeyyala-the sockmaster I think it is Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Vamsiraj. Wgolf (talk) 03:44, 29 May 2015 (UTC)

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Cassidy Hanson[edit]

While I would tend to agree that this article should be deleted, per WP:DEPROD any removal of the PROD tag - including by the article creator, whether in good faith or bad - makes it ineligible for deletion by that process. Perhaps take it to AFD? Nikkimaria (talk) 00:49, 30 May 2015 (UTC)

Actually, looking closer at the history - you could just restore your BLPPROD. The only sources that were added when it was removed were unreliable, and you need reliable ones to remove that tag. Nikkimaria (talk) 00:52, 30 May 2015 (UTC)
@Nikkimaria: Thanks, done, with note on talk page. PamD 14:03, 30 May 2015 (UTC)

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Hello PamD,

I don't know how closely you've followed the research project about VisualEditor, but since they will be moving into the data analysis phase before long, I wanted to personally ask a few "regulars" at WP:VEF to let me know if they’d seen anything unusual during the last week or two. (You're in the top 10 all-time editors at WP:VEF.) Anyway, if you've seen anything or have any thoughts on it, then please let me know. There's a thread open at Wikipedia:VisualEditor/Feedback#Test feedback if you want, or you can always leave a note at my talk page or send me e-mail. Thanks, Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 06:22, 7 June 2015 (UTC)

@Whatamidoing (WMF): I'm afraid I haven't looked at VE much recently - I've been so fed up with its unusability for my own regular editing - see many threads on the feedback page - that I've rather lost interest. PamD 11:02, 7 June 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for the note. I know that there are a few bugs with your name on them. It's been a few weeks since I reminded the PM about the categories/stub sorting problems. Maybe it's time to do that again. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 00:27, 8 June 2015 (UTC)

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For anyone reading: this was a conscious link to a dab page, with a {{dn}} template, because the cryptic abbreviation "RES" was used in the article. PamD 20:51, 21 June 2015 (UTC)

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Note - reply to my comment on this edit.PamD 09:28, 29 June 2015 (UTC)

Can you please give me example...I can't find one...(of wikipedia deletion reques)

RealmmbTalk 09:17, 29 June 2015 (UTC) RealmmbTalk 09:17, 29 June 2015 (UTC)

@Realmmb: See Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion which explains the rules for nominating an article for speedy deletion. There is then a template for each criterion, eg {{db-a1}}. If you have correctly nominated an article for Speedy Deletion, an Admin will delete it very soon. If you want to nominate something for deletion but it does not fit these criteria, and you think its deletion will be uncontroversial, you need to make a WP:Proposed Deletion; it will then be deleted after a week uness anyone has objected to this deletion. The third deletion route is WP:Articles for deletion. In each case, please read about the process before nominating an article. PamD 09:26, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
@Realmmb: I have also just noticed that you nominated it for deletion 2 minutes after it was created. Please never do this, unless an article is clearly an attack page or a copyright violation. Many editors "save" the first version of their article before adding sources and more content within minutes, and very new articles should not be nominated for deletion. PamD 09:32, 29 June 2015 (UTC)


Thanks for that. I had looked at Sugar Creek (Driftwood River) and tried to guess at what the NC version of {{Indiana-geo-stub}} was, trying Template:NC-geo-stub, Template:North Carolina-geo-stub and Template:North-Carolina-geo-stub (and eventually omitting the template when none of those worked in "preview"); it didn't occur to me to try the unspaced, unhyphenated version. Think we should make some of the other versions I tried into redirects? -sche (talk) 19:24, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

@-sche: It seems quite a consistent pattern that multi-word placename stubs are unspaced but with caps - {{NewZealand-geo-stub}}, {{WestYorkshire-geo-stub}} etc - so I don't think redirects would be a good idea, we could end up with so many of them. I usually try to find the right stub by going up a hierarchy of (non-stub) categories till I find one with a stub category, eg from Category:Rivers of North Carolina to "Bodies of water of ..." to "Landforms of ..." to "Geography of ..." where you find Category:North Carolina geography stubs - which I now see actually shows there are subdivisions, for those who know their geography! Alternatively, sometimes I'll add a broad stub tag like {{US-geo-stub}}, then do "Preview" to look at its category, and look to see if it has appropriate subdivisions (eg some Indian states have geo-stub tags for districts, others only for the state). Glad to be able to help out on this one, anyway! PamD 21:52, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

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