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Talk:Comparison between Roman and Han Empires

You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Comparison between Roman and Han Empires. Gun Powder Ma (talk) 02:11, 17 December 2009 (UTC) (Using {{Please see}})

AFD for Comparison between Roman and Han Empires

You are invited to join the discussion at [AFD] for Comparison between Roman and Han Empires, since you have participated in the last AFD. Gun Powder Ma (talk) 23:29, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Comparison between Roman and Han Empires

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An editor has nominated one or more articles which you have created or worked on, for deletion. The nominated article is Comparison between Roman and Han Empires. We appreciate your contributions, but the nominator doesn't believe that the article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion and has explained why in his/her nomination (see also Wikipedia:Notability and "What Wikipedia is not").

Your opinions on whether the article meets inclusion criteria and what should be done with the article are welcome; please participate in the discussion(s) by adding your comments to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Comparison between Roman and Han Empires (2nd nomination). Please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes (~~~~).

You may also edit the article during the discussion to improve it but should not remove the articles for deletion template from the top of the article; such removal will not end the deletion debate.

Please note: This is an automatic notification by a bot. I have nothing to do with this article or the deletion nomination, and can't do anything about it. --Erwin85Bot (talk) 01:18, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

Restructuring of article

Comparisons between Roman and Han Empires has been completely restructured per your and others' advice, with scholarly sources comparing the two only. Please take a look.Teeninvestor (talk) 21:20, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

International Committee on Measurements and Instrumentation

You mentioned in a message to Flint McRae (talk · contribs · count) that you had merged the content of ISMTII to International Committee on Measurements and Instrumentation. Another editor, Tnxman307 (talk · contribs · count), deleted International Committee on Measurements and Instrumentation. If you disagree with the deletion, you may want to discuss this with Tnxman307. - Eastmain (talk) 03:23, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

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Your block of User:Zensurfer

Hi there. I commented at AN/I just as you blocked this user. While you're unrequestionably within policy to do so, I'm not certain that this block is necessary at this time. I'll be blunt. Zensurfer is SPA who has been watching and editing the Robert Dickinson article which currently is up for deletion. Zensurfer, at minimum, appears to be close to the subject of that article. The article was vandalized, Zensurfer reverts claiming its on behalf of the subject, then the subject asks for deletion through OTRS. The vandal is blocked, and the AfD currently is unanimous for "delete". As the considerably less guilty party, I'm don't think a block at this time really de-escalates anything (especially if Zensurfer is, or really is close to, the subject of the article. I propose a refactoring the threat and an admonishment on the talk page. Still, as you are within policy, I'll respect your decision either way. Take care, Xymmax So let it be written So let it be done 23:44, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

Nonetheless, Zensurfer still violated NLT. The proper way for such requests for takedowns/deletions is for the subject to contact OTRS, which is noted in the block template. There was no need to threaten to sue editors, if proper procedure had been followed. --Patar knight - chat/contributions 01:11, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
Undeniably true. Still, the violation of NLT doesn't require an immediate block in every instance. I guess my position is that this case is more like what envisioned by the unfortunately named essay DOLT in that the position of the wronged party is the one to which we should be most sensitive. I won't badger you about this any further, thanks for listening. Xymmax So let it be written So let it be done 01:29, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
Zensurfer has unambiguously withdrawn his comments on his talk page. I'm willing to unblock him, but I wanted to discuss it with you. Xymmax So let it be written So let it be done 14:17, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
I'm going to go ahead an unblock him. I see no protection to the wiki through this block; it undeniably escalates the situation, and the legal threat has been withdrawn. As the OTRS agent handling the case, I'll take responsibility for my action in unblocking. - Philippe 16:40, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
I'm fine with unblocking, as long as they retract/strike out the legal threats. --Patar knight - chat/contributions 17:34, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

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Einy Shah

Hi, I wish to contest the deletion of the article of 'Einy Shah'. I was told by someone called Kyle that there should be more links from ind newspapers or magazines. And, that it should be about the subject more. I done this. I posted support links and references from a London based newspaper of which Einy Shah & team were featured. A full BBC feature on their website. And a feature from a gossip magazine.

I do think Einy Shah is a noteable enough person and part of the reason creating the page was because of high demand. I've also created pages for 3 other journalists in the same group. There pages are fine, it's only this one causing any trouble.

Would approeciate it of you could advise me on how to retrieve this page.

Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.176.194.114 (talk) 23:34, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

Can you stop User:Pmanderson's personal attacks?

see here. and here. There are also earlier examples, but this one is over the edge. He has no respect for his fellow editors.Teeninvestor (talk) 23:42, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

I feel the Comparison between Roman and Han Empires AFD should have been closed as No consensus, but the current action amounts to a de facto delete. Please take a look.Teeninvestor (talk) 16:33, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

Comparison between Roman and Han Empires AFD

The second AFD of Comparison between Roman and Han Empires, resulted in the article being stubbified and the contents moved to Wikipedia:Article Incubator:Comparison between Roman and Han Empires. You are welcome to make suggestions at the article in the incubator. If your concerns are meet, and you believe the article is ready for mainspace, please sign here [1], or contact User:Spartaz, the closing admin. Thank you.Teeninvestor (talk) 20:02, 26 December 2009 (UTC)

I would like to seek your input at the article incubator's RFC.Teeninvestor (talk) 15:13, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

Removal of template from Comparison between Roman and Han Empires

Hi Patar knight - please don't remove {{uncatstub}} templates from articles only categorised as stubs, as you did here unless you are adding permanent categories to them! Articles need to be categorised in permanent categories, not just cleanup and stub categories, which is why {{uncatstub}} exists. As the template says, "This article is uncategorized. Please help improve this article by adding it to one or more categories, in addition to a stub category." (my emphasis.) Grutness...wha? 23:55, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

Indef block of User:FreemanOnline

Hello, you blocked this user, citing a username policy breach. Please justify why this is a breach of the username policy. It certainly could be a standard username, "Freeman" is a common last name. The user has no contributions to act as evidence for bad faith, so could you please clarify why the user should remain indef blocked? Thank you, The UserboxerComplain/ubx 03:34, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

If the user page was promotional material for [2], then the wrong user block template was used, which confused me, so please forgive my ignorance on that. The UserboxerComplain/ubx 03:39, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

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It's current, it's biography, it's military theme, what do you think about it: George Miok? I put a wikiProject Canada template onto the talp page of this article. I try to protect this article from the deletion. --Eino81 (talk) 01:32, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

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add this please

theres 6 denominations in islam

but only 4 are showing in the purple 'islam topics' template box at the bottom of the 'islam' page


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salafi

thats denomination 1 for Salafi's

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qur%27an_alone

thats denomination 2 for Quranists

could you try your best to add these two please? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jigglyfidders (talkcontribs) 05:32, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

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Thank you for your contributions

Thank you for your work on the 2010 Olympics opening ceremonies page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lordandrei (talkcontribs) 05:06, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

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For your excellent efforts on the 2010 Winter Olympics opening ceremony page. Especially showing excellence in keeping to Wikipedia format under quick edits -- Lordandrei (talk) 16:01, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

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olympics

I've been doing that all evening before you started editing the article and I've been trying to rework the Sochi part but can't since you keep editing. Therefore, I suggest that instead of simply removing the material you take the responsibility of rewriting it.

Rather than stepping in and telling someone else they're doing it wrong it's more productive and collegial to correct the problem and rewrite the material. That's always more polite and constructive than simply reverting and ordering a rewrite as if other editors work for you. I'm done. Rewrite the Sochi material yourself.

I'm sorry, I'm done and what you've left is woefully inadequate. I suggest you google some sources as news articles are up. In future rewrite instead of reverting. Doing ther former communicates a rather negative attitude as if you think other editors work for you. Also, in future look at the history. If you did that you would have seen that the unoriginal material was being rewritten and expanded as the live event unfolded. Instead you blundered in like a bull in a china shop who breaks things and expects others to clean up rather than chip in and help out.

I would sign my posts if my mobile's keyboard had a tilda key. My point stands, it's better to fix something then to tear it down and tell someone else to do it over. If you are going to criticize something than take the responsibility to complete the job rather than leaving it undone. You took on the responsibility now finish the job.

Since I'm on a mobile trying to write an article on a live event I couldn't use an external word processor or multiple browser screens. In the time you took to argue with me you could have rewritten the section. Anyway my thumbs are tired so I'm logging out now.

Friend,
Obviously you could have handled the situation better. I think that sometimes admins follow the book to harshly and forget the informality that made Wikipedia so successful.
Remember in the future that these people are volunteers. If I was in his position, I wouldn't feel particularly welcome on Wikipedia. He has raised a good point with "If you are going to criticize something than take the responsibility to complete the job rather than leaving it undone."
He put quite a bit of work into the article, only to have someone go there as say "NO! THAT'S NOT GOOD!". It's like shoveling your neighbor's driveway only to be arrested for trespassing. In the future, I recommend thanking the user, but just raising a point about the rules and how they must be followed, even if they make things less convenient. Perhaps it would lead to less shrinkage of Wikipedia's active user base. The UserboxerComplain/ubx 02:10, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

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I am fed up with dealing with these people

Every time I nominate article I point out the article needs third person sources inclusionists like DGG or Dream Focus will argue oh ignore the rules and that the fiction is sufficent evidence in of itself. I am not having another argument with someone who doesn't like evidence of rules pointed out to them. Observe yourself Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jitsu (Masters of the Universe), Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rock People Dwanyewest (talk) 05:42, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

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Note about Ctrl+Alt+Del

I have deleted the page per the result of the AfD to "get rid of the article" as you put it, and restored the redirect. I hope you don't mind. I understand the point to keep the page available for use, but anyone who wants to do so can ask for a userspace copy to be given to them. My reasoning for deleting the page is because, in the past, a couple of pages were merged into it, which now make very strange redirects, such as the animated series redirecting to "Control Alt Delete" the keyboard combination.

As we cannot delete such pages for attribution reasons whilst the content is still live on the site, I decided that deleting the old content that the AfD decided to delete was the best way to allow such redirects to be handled.

If you disagree, or if I botched it up (because there was alot of lag due to so many revisions being processed), please feel free to revert my actions. Sorry if I messed up, this started when I deleted a broken redirect, then followed a string of links to Ctrl+Alt+Del, the merge target, so I thought I would be bold and attempt to ensure the redirect issue was fully resolved.

Please ask if any of this makes no sense, thanks, --Taelus (talk) 15:21, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

Okay. I think I fully understand the attribution reasons. I guess it's because of the GFDL which Wikipedia is licensed under? Regardless, I fully support your selective deletion. I probably should've checked for such links myself, and avoided this. --Patar knight - chat/contributions 18:03, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
Attribution issues are always a wrench in the works, but hopefully this resolution satisfies all requirements. Thanks, --Taelus (talk) 18:06, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

Friendly follow-up note

  • I made a thread at the Administrator's Noticeboard, since there is a copy/paste userfied copy of the article in another persons userspace, and I want to ensure I am not interpreting the issue wrong. I linked to the discussion here and the AfD, so I thought I should notify you as courtesy. Thanks, the link is: Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard#Quick_question_regarding_.22Attribution_issues.22. --Taelus (talk) 18:46, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
    • You can disregard it now, its all sorted out and has been userfied, so that all the content is preserved, and there are no dodgy redirects left. All is well that ends well! Thanks, --Taelus (talk) 19:43, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

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