User talk:Pbsouthwood

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Jump to navigation Jump to search



  1. ^
    Alphabetical list of articles

    Sometimes, it might be useful to look up a subject in the same way you would do so in a book—in the index. Wikipedia has an index. To use it..

    1. click on the Special pages line of the Tools menu
    2. from the Lists of pages section, click on the All pages with prefix link
    3. at Display pages with prefix: type the beginning of the article's name into the box and press Go.

    You will see a list of all pages that begin with what you typed.

    You can reduce the number of articles displayed in this list by typing more of the name and pressing Go again. You can also find Wikipedia users in a similar way by changing the entry in the drop-down box labelled Namespace, from (Article) to User.

    Read more:
    To add this auto-updating template to your user page, use {{totd}}


Women in Red World Contest[edit]

Hi. We're into the last five days of the Women in Red World Contest. There's a new bonus prize of $200 worth of books of your choice to win for creating the most new women biographies between 0:00 on the 26th and 23:59 on 30th November. If you've been contributing to the contest, thank you for your support, we've produced over 2000 articles. If you haven't contributed yet, we would appreciate you taking the time to add entries to our articles achievements list by the end of the month. Thank you, and if participating, good luck with the finale!

WikiProject Genealogy - newsletter No.5 -2017[edit]

Newsletter Nr 5, 2017-12-30, for WikiProject Genealogy (and Wikimedia genealogy project on Meta)
Stamboom png.svg


This is the fifth newsletter sent by mass mail to members in Wikipedia:WikiProject Genealogy, to everyone who voted a support for establishing a potential Wikimedia genealogy project on meta, and anyone who during the years showed an interest in genealogy on talk pages and likewise.

(To discontinue receiving Project Genealogy newsletters, please see below)

A demo wiki is up and running!

Dear members of WikiProject Genealogy, this will be the last newsletter for 2017, but maybe the most important one!

You can already now try out the demo for a genealogy wiki at and try out the functions. You will find parts of the 18th Pharao dynasty and other records submitted by the 7 first users, and it would be great if you would add some records.

And with those great news we want to wish you a creative New Year 2018!

Don't want newsletters? If you wish to opt-out of future mailings, please remove yourself from the mailing list or alternatively to opt-out of all massmessage mailings, you may add Category:Opted-out of message delivery to your user talk page.

Cheers from your WikiProject Genealogy coordinator Dan Koehl.

To discontinue receiving Project Genealogy newsletters, please remove your name from our mailing list.
Newsletter delivered by MediaWiki message delivery

User talk:Fram#Short descriptions (eom)[edit]

User talk:Galobtter#Template:Infobox settlement/sandbox (eom)[edit]

Invitation to WikiProject Portals[edit]

The Portals WikiProject has been rebooted.

You are invited to join, and participate in the effort to revitalize and improve the Portal system and all the portals in it.

There are sections on the WikiProject page dedicated to tasks (including WikiGnome tasks too), and areas on the talk page for discussing the improvement and automation of the various features of portals.

Many complaints have been lodged in the RfC to delete all portals, pointing out their various problems. They say that many portals are not maintained, or have fallen out of date, are useless, etc. Many of the !votes indicate that the editors who posted them simply don't believe in the potential of portals anymore.

It's time to change all that. Let's give them reasons to believe in portals, by revitalizing them.

The best response to a deletion nomination is to fix the page that was nominated. The further underway the effort is to improve portals by the time the RfC has run its course, the more of the reasons against portals will no longer apply. RfCs typically run 30 days. There are 19 days left in this one. Let's see how many portals we can update and improve before the RfC is closed, and beyond.

A healthy WikiProject dedicated to supporting and maintaining portals may be the strongest argument of all not to delete.

We may even surprise ourselves and exceed all expectations. Who knows what we will be able to accomplish in what may become the biggest Wikicollaboration in years.

Let's do this.

See ya at the WikiProject!

Sincerely,    — The Transhumanist   10:24, 21 April 2018 (UTC)

Portals WikiProject update, April 22, 2018[edit]

Thank you for joining the Portals WikiProject.

Here's our first project-wide update. I hope you enjoy it...


The WikiProject reboot has been a success: the new re-envisioned project is up and running, with new members, ongoing discussions about automation, design, and upkeep; maintained task queques; and updates to members, like this, the very first one!

The RfC[edit]

As you know, there's a proposal to delete all portals. It started out looking pretty dismal for portals, with primarily posts supporting their demise. It turned out that the proposer didn't post a deletion notice on the very pages being nominated for deletion (a requirement for all deletion discussions). Once that was done, a flood of opposition came in and has apparently turned the tide.

RfCs generally run for 30 days. It started April 8th, and so it has about 14 more days to run its course.

The more work we can do during that time on the portals, the stronger the reasons for keeping them will be. And the more prepared we will be for any MfDs that follow the closing of the RfC.


You may be wondering why we asked for AWB experience in the member-sign-up list.

We are gearing up to do maintenance runs on the entire set of portals, and the more people we have who can use AWB, the better.

But we're not quite ready to start this yet.

To be able to use AWB on the portals, we first need to know what the end result needs to be. Like on the news sections, do we comment out the out-of-date ones, or do we place the code to activate the newsbot on those pages? That would require an assessment of WikiNews and its news generating performance (areas covered, volume in each area), etc.

You can help us figure this out at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Portals#Discussions about news sections.

Another area we're gearing up for, to do passes with AWB, are upgrades to the intro sections of portals. Many of these have static (copied/pasted) excerpts that go stale over time.

We're trying to figure out how to make self-updating excerpts to replace the existing static excerpts that are on many portals, and once this is done, AWB will be used to place the new code. See the discussion on this at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Portals#Discussions about selective transclusion in intros.

"What can I do?"[edit]

There are 3 major areas of activity right now:

Update the main portal list at Portal:Contents/Portals[edit]

There are a few hundred existing portals that are missing from this list.

The list of missing entries, and instructions on what to do, can be found at Portal talk:Contents/Portals#These are not listed yet.

We need everybody's help on this. It's a big chore for one persons. But, many hands make light work. Please help chip away at this chore as much as you can. A little each day, form all of us, will get this done pretty quick.

Familiarize yourself with the portal system[edit]

In addition to browsing the portals in the 2 lists mentioned in the section above, you should take a look at the portal name space itself and what is in it.

That can be done at Wikipedia:WikiProject Portals#Watchlist.

Join in on the discussions[edit]

There are discussions on many aspects of the WikiProject's operations, with more to come.

Such as about the purposes and functions of portals, design discussions, and so on.

There's even a automated design discussion over at Village Pump Technical, on selective transclusion.

I hope to see you on the talk page.

What's coming?[edit]

In addition to the automation efforts mentioned above, we will be looking into how to automate the selection and display of alternating excerpts, and alternating pictures, for the various portal sections.

Watch for these discussions on the Wikiproject's talk page.

Summing up...[edit]

Get ready, get set, go!    — The Transhumanist   22:54, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

P.S.: The main example given at the RfC of the problems of portals was Portal:Cricket. Therefore, it's the top priority portal to update. Please lend a hand. - TT


Hello Peter

Sorry, I had missed your notes on the WikiFundi grant proposal. Embarrassing. I apology.

So... I think the core tech part of it is now in its rails (hopefully), so I will dedicate myself to the other elements now. I would VERY GRATEFULLY accept any help !!! Do you think possible that we both have a talk (on skype or hangout) in the next few days so that I give you a bit more insights and you can see where you would feel confortable and happy getting involved ? Also, Isla should be back to Cap very soon (she might be in the air right now...), coming back from Wikimedia Con. I think it would be a good idea if you meet her for a chat. I am not 100% sure of that, but she may have at least one raspberry box left as well as one SD card. What is your preferred platform for communication otherwise ? I use slack a lot with Isla (along with Skype). Otherwise messenger, or what's app, or email, or wiki pages of course :) Anthere (talk) 17:54, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

Anthere, No problem, I have not run out of things to do yet. Email is usually best - my internet speed is not great, and my talk page is fine, I am usually at my computer or out of reach. I can do Skype by appointment - this computer does not have a sound card. I have used hangout on the laptop with Douglas and the local crowd, but can't remember the details as he sets up the meetings and we just link in at the time.· · · Peter (Southwood) (talk): 07:04, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

Ok :) Let's start with an email then. I sent you a wiki mail to enquire about which is your proposed option. In the meanwhile, here is the cleaned-up page on the English wikipedia related to content in the tool Wikipedia:WikiProject WikiFundi Anthere (talk)
Also, if you are interested, there is a email mailing list related to offline solutions ( And we are currently thinking of setting up a recognized user groups (see m:Offline Projects)

Your GA nomination of Diver communications[edit]

The article Diver communications you nominated as a good article has passed Symbol support vote.svg; see Talk:Diver communications for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already been on the main page as an "In the news" or "Did you know" item, you can nominate it to appear in Did you know. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Harrias -- Harrias (talk) 11:21, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

Probably on behalf of Mike Christie, but thanks to both Mike and Harrias anyway. Cheers, · · · Peter (Southwood) (talk): 12:22, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for being one of Wikipedia's top medical contributors![edit]

please help translate this message into your local language via meta
Wiki Project Med Foundation logo.svg The 2017 Cure Award
In 2017 you were one of the top ~250 medical editors across any language of Wikipedia. Thank you from Wiki Project Med Foundation for helping bring free, complete, accurate, up-to-date health information to the public. We really appreciate you and the vital work you do! Wiki Project Med Foundation is a user group whose mission is to improve our health content. Consider joining here, there are no associated costs.

Thanks again :-) -- Doc James along with the rest of the team at Wiki Project Med Foundation 03:03, 26 April 2018 (UTC)

No problem Doc, It just seems to happen. My surprise was being so high on the list from relatively incidental editing. Cheers, · · · Peter (Southwood) (talk): 07:19, 26 April 2018 (UTC)
You doubled your editing from last year :-) Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 07:39, 26 April 2018 (UTC)
Doc, I have no idea why. I hope not too much of it was talk pages and project stuff, but that is probably what it was. Still that is all part of the process, and I still have just over 75% article space edits overall. How do you get the stats? Do they include talk and project page edits? · · · Peter (Southwood) (talk): 11:36, 26 April 2018 (UTC)
These are just main space edits. User:Edgars2007 did the calculations. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 12:04, 26 April 2018 (UTC)
Even more astonishing - they were probably almost all productive, or at least fixing unproductive stuff by others. I will contact Edgars2007 to ask what is involved. Cheers, · · · Peter (Southwood) (talk): 12:09, 26 April 2018 (UTC)


Hello Pbsouthwood, I'read you in Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Portals#Beta_testing. Well, it is a shame that I can not make you a ready gift ... but I can give you a good idea if you want it. For Portal:Underwater_diving it might be a nice feature to have a map of shipwrecks. Unfortunately, it looks like something needs to be done to make it more complete like this map of shipswrecks. Especially for Portal:Underwater_diving it could be of higher interest to have a similar map for Index of recreational dive sites. HTH. --Tom (talk) 09:33, 26 April 2018 (UTC)

Hi Tom, thanks for the thought. I would like to include a dynamic map for recreational dive sites, but most of the divesites I know do not have reliable sources for their positions and other information, so I write about them on Wikivoyage where original research is welcome. Cheers, · · · Peter (Southwood) (talk): 13:33, 26 April 2018 (UTC)
You can do this, but I already had conversation on wikivoyage about similar stuff. My suggestion is to start the process on your own - rather to find others to do this work. It is not so complicated to add some coordiates from places you can veryfy by osm & googlemaps ... isn't it? BTW try this map Best --Tom (talk) 13:56, 26 April 2018 (UTC)

Portals WikiProject heads up, April 27, 2018[edit]

We now have 52 members, and more are joining daily.

New and easier way to handle excerpts[edit]

Attention portal maintainers!

There's a new template to improve existing and new portals, called {{Transclude lead excerpt}}.

It is a lot easier to use than copying and pasting text from articles, as it displays the paragraphs you specify automatically for you.

It makes excerpts so that they are always current and never go stale or fork.

It is more powerful than it looks, because it has the Lua Module:Excerpt supporting it.

Be careful, as it is alpha software. Please notify the WikiProject talkpage of any problems you come across.

To give you a sense of the reaction this template is generating, here is an excerpt of a discussion thread from the WikiProject's talk page:

  • This new template is fantastic. I've added it to the intro sections of the portals on Australian cities (eg P:PER) and it works brilliantly. My compliments to its creators. It can probably also be used in other sections of many portals (eg "Selected article" and "Selected biography"), and, for that reason, will probably make the task of maintaining portals a great deal easier. Bahnfrend (talk) 09:02, 24 April 2018 (UTC)
    Thank you for being so brave. Portal:Adelaide/Intro just got a lot simpler! Certes (talk) 10:43, 24 April 2018 (UTC)
Kudos on a wonderful template.    — The Transhumanist   03:27, 25 April 2018 (UTC)
This is amazing stuff. I'm going to get to work on using it on the selected content at most of these portals very soon. WaggersTALK 13:40, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

The RfC[edit]

I wrote a comment in the the April 26 section of the RfC explaining what we are up to. I liked the excerpt above so much, that I went back to my RfC posting, and inserted it.

Please add Wikipedia:WikiProject Portals to your watchlist[edit]

Wish list[edit]

What's this? An old oil lamp. It's so dirty, I think I'll polish it...


Whoa! Are you a WikiGenie? In that case, I get 3 wishes!

I wish...

  1. ...that Portal:Contents/Portals becomes up-to-date.   (The missing entries are listed on the talk page, with instructions).
  2. ...the WikiProject to have Article Alerts.   ({{WikiProject Portals}} templates have already been placed on all portal talk pages).
  3. ...that Portal:Cricket becomes a shining example of portal excellence.   (It was the main example of a crappy and unmaintained portal at the RfC).

Please make my wishes come true. See you around the portals!    — The Transhumanist   08:02, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

Regarding my script[edit]

I do see you've copied the whole script on your common.js. Like any script if you wish you can import it by putting: "importScript('User:Galobtter/Shortdesc helper.js');" Galobtter (pingó mió) 18:10, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

Galobtter, Thanks for that explanation, I knew that importing was possible but not how to actually do it. Does the import occur whenever I log in or refresh with shift-reload? I assume this gets me the latest version automatically if you update the code? Cheers, · · · Peter (Southwood) (talk): 18:17, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
Every shift-reload. Yeah it gets the latest version. I'll create a User:Galobtter/Shortdesc helper I suppose soon with all that sort of instruction. Glad you liked it! Galobtter (pingó mió) 18:19, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
So far it does everything I want, though on one occasion it would not save after an edit. · · · Peter (Southwood) (talk): 18:28, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
Hmm. If that reoccurs/happens often let me know, I'll see if I can figure out why. Galobtter (pingó mió) 18:36, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
So far just the once. I will let you know if it recurs. It makes adding short descriptions much easier and quicker. Really useful. · · · Peter (Southwood) (talk): 18:40, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
It might be because my internet speed is shitty tonight. I am sometimes waiting 20 to 30 seconds for a refresh or page load, where it usually takes only a few seconds. · · · Peter (Southwood) (talk): 18:54, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
Hmm, there is no visible indication of an edit happening (that'd be a good to do actually, though). So it may have just seemed like the edit didn't go through, but actually it was taking a long time for it to do the edit and reload Galobtter (pingó mió) 18:59, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
Usually the browser indicates activity during a save by a little moving indicator in the tab (dot moving from side to side in Firefox current version) and a change from the arrow-arc to an X top left. This is probably enough visible indication in most cases. Neither of those showed on that occasion. For this edit Vector skin did not load, which is a sign of slow internet. · · · Peter (Southwood) (talk): 19:08, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – May 2018[edit]

News and updates for administrators from the past month (April 2018).


Administrator changes

added None
removed ChochopkCoffeeGryffindorJimpKnowledge SeekerLankiveilPeridonRjd0060

Guideline and policy news

  • The ability to create articles directly in mainspace is now indefinitely restricted to autoconfirmed users.
  • A proposal is being discussed which would create a new "event coordinator" right that would allow users to temporarily add the "confirmed" flag to new user accounts and to create many new user accounts without being hindered by a rate limit.

Technical news

  • AbuseFilter has received numerous improvements, including an OOUI overhaul, syntax highlighting, ability to search existing filters, and a few new functions. In particular, the search feature can be used to ensure there aren't existing filters for what you need, and the new equals_to_any function can be used when checking multiple namespaces. One major upcoming change is the ability to see which filters are the slowest. This information is currently only available to those with access to Logstash.
  • When blocking anonymous users, a cookie will be applied that reloads the block if the user changes their IP. This means in most cases, you may no longer need to do /64 range blocks on residential IPv6 addresses in order to effectively block the end user. It will also help combat abuse from IP hoppers in general. This currently only occurs when hard-blocking accounts.
  • The block notice shown on mobile will soon be more informative and point users to a help page on how to request an unblock, just as it currently does on desktop.
  • There will soon be a calendar widget at Special:Block, making it easier to set expiries for a specific date and time.



  • Lankiveil (Craig Franklin) passed away in mid-April. Lankiveil joined Wikipedia on 12 August 2004 and became an administrator on 31 August 2008. During his time with the Wikimedia community, Lankiveil served as an oversighter for the English Wikipedia and as president of Wikimedia Australia.

Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 07:05, 2 May 2018 (UTC)

WikiProject Portals Overview, May 04, 2018[edit]

Thank you for being a member of the Portals WikiProject, and thank you for all the work you have all been doing on the portal namespace. To see the activity, check out the watchlist.

This is our 3rd issue, see previous issues at the Newsletter archive.

Top priority: Main list of portals needs updating[edit]

The top, and one of the most visible parts, of the portal system is Portal:Contents/Portals, which is intended to list all (completed) portals on Wikipedia.

About half of the missing existing portals have been added since this WikiProject's reboot (April 17th). Thank you to RockMagnetist, TriNitrobrick, Polyamorph, PratyushSinha101, Ganesha811, Bermicourt, Javert2113, Noyster, Ɱ, Lepricavark, XOR'easter, and Emir of Wikipedia, for working on this.

We are half-way to completion with this. We need everyone to chip in until it is done. Instructions, and the list of missing entries are at Portal talk:Contents/Portals#These are not listed yet.

I hope you'll join me there. ("Many hands make light work").

Thank you.


We're at 66 members, with more joining daily. We even have 6 WikiGnomes!

Special thanks[edit]

I have awarded Certes with a portals barnstar on his talk page for his work on the new excerpt templates that are revolutionizing the portal system (Template:Transclude lead excerpt & Template:Transclude random excerpt). If you'd like to show your appreciation, please feel free to stop by his talk page and add your signature to the barnstar itself.

Thank you Certes. You are enabling this WikiProject to get the right things done, fast.

By the way, the templates have already gone international. After being told about the templates, Mossab wrote:

Thanks You very much!. Those are fantastic and great templates! I transferred them to Arabic Wikipedia and they do a magic great job. I worked to improve portal anatomy here and i do every thing i can to improve it and i am very sad for the nomination for deletion of portals :(. I am glad to be member on WikiProject Portals and i added my name with pleasure. Kind regards


As you know, the (April 8th) proposal to delete all portals and the portal namespace inspired the reboot of this WikiProject. RfCs typically run for 30 days, which means there are 5 days left including today, before the RfC will be closed. The !votes are predominantly "oppose", but many editors have shared their disappointment with the portal system. We have our work cut out for us in correcting the problems of the portals to address their concerns. Complaints ranged from being out of date and lacking maintenance, to taking up the time of editors that they felt (due to low traffic) would be better spent improving articles.

Anti-WikiProject drama[edit]

This past week has been somewhat stressful for me, with more than a little conflict...

It culminated with my being reported at the Administrator's Noticeboard "for spamming and canvassing". This is the second time I've been reported there during the RfC; the first one was for posting notices of the deletion discussion (the RfC) at the top of all portal pages.

The accusations were 1) Posting notices of the deletion discussion (the RfC) at the top of all portal pages, 2) Adding an Article alerts section to the Portals WikiProject page, and 3) posting notices (invitations) about this WikiProject on user talk and portal talk pages.

None of which fall under the Wikipedia definitions of spamming or canvassing.

Thank you, Lionelt and Lepricavark, for coming to my rescue. I don't know how the discussion would have turned out if you had not spoken up.

The discussion was closed as "no action necessary".

After that, the person responsible posted their thoughts to my talk page. Here they are, with my response:

Congratulations, it appears your relentless targeted advertising of the RFC, your beating the RFC Supporters with a stick by posting countless times there, your dishonest insistence that Current Events was on the chopping block, and your obstruction of clean up efforts at MfD are paying dividends. Have fun playing with Portal space where no one will read your work. I'm sure someone will eventually clean up the mess when your interest wanes. Cheers. Legacypac

Thank you. I accept your congratulations on behalf of Wikiproject Portals and the portal-loving community – it was a team effort. In addition, I'd like to clarify some things about your claims above...
  1. Each page nominated for deletion must have a notice at the top of its page, per the deletion guideline. Not to have one there, would be unfair to those who use such pages, and would constitute a secret deletion tribunal. We don't do things that way on Wikipedia.
  2. As new facts became available (e.g., a motivated and thriving WikiProject to support the portals, new building blocks, etc.), it was appropriate to post the developments to the RfC, to support informed decision making.
  3. Proposals are literal, not figurative. The proposal specified "all portals". All means all.
  4. The fact is, the rebooted WikiProject is cleaning up the mess, rather rapidly. By updating and upgrading the portals, rather than getting rid of them.
  5. I think I'll be hanging around for awhile, but the project is more than likely to achieve critical mass and may outlive us all, due in part to the development of tools to assist editors in building, upgrading, and maintaining portals that are fully dynamic and self-updating.
Portals are more fun to work with than ever. Thank you for your role in making this happen. You made us try even harder, and inspired us to pull together as a team. You'll have a warm place in our hearts, forever. The Transhumanist

Automatically refreshed excerpts[edit]

The main advancement we've made so far is applying selective transclusion Transclusion is template technology, showing a page on another page. Selective transclusion shows only part of that page. We use it to show excerpts that always match the source. The two templates we have so far, are Template:Transclude lead excerpt and Template:Transclude random excerpt.

Obsoleting subpages[edit]

Excerpts are migrating toward the base page of each portal, and where this is done, a subpage is no longer needed.

Template:Transclude lead excerpt will be able to be used to put the intro excerpt directly on the portal page, rather than on an intro subpage, once we adapt a portal design to accommodate this.

Template:Transclude random excerpt is currently being used on 1st-level subpages, and eliminates the need for 2nd-level subpages. (Many portals have 2 levels of subpages).

There are about 1500 portals, but there are around 148,000 subpages in portal space. Further discussions are needed to develop designs and components that do not require them.

It is my hope that the portal of the future will be a single page, or close to it, pulling in excerpts from specified dynamic sources (like category pages), filtered by ratings. This would obviate the need for subpages at all (except for maybe the header and footer subpages, which store a portal's settings). A more likely near-term solution would be subpages with a list maintained by a bot, or editors using semi-automatic tools.

New portals[edit]

Since the reboot, a new portal has been created:

Portal:Limited recognition

Please watchlist these pages[edit]

Some central pages in the portal system. The more eyes on them, the better.

Wrapping up...[edit]

There's more in the works, like a rating system, further redesigns, etc. Keep an eye on the discussions on the project's talk page. They should start showing up there soon.

Hope to see you there. Sincerely,    — The Transhumanist   06:23, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

Page previews and outlines[edit]

Have you used the new page previews feature yet?

It enhances the usefulness of existing outlines.

Thoughts?    — The Transhumanist   08:14, 8 May 2018 (UTC)

P.S.: Please ping me in your reply. Thank you.

The Transhumanist, I have been using navigation popups since I discovered their existence. How do page previews differ? · · · Peter (Southwood) (talk): 09:03, 8 May 2018 (UTC)
They came on-line in April (earlier for other languages). They work by default for non-registered users, and therefore they comprise a basic feature of the site (they work for hundreds of millions of users instead of tens of thousands). They will be made the default for registered users, except for those with navigation popups installed. While they lack recursiveness, visually they are more eye-catching, are easier to read (larger font-size), and have much better image support.
So, for outlines, the change from before April is that most readers of outlines now have Page Previews active.
I'm just not sure what the ramifications are, how this might affect annotations, short descriptions, etc.    — The Transhumanist   09:27, 8 May 2018 (UTC)
P.S.: Please ping me in your reply. Thank you.
The Transhumanist, I like the navigation popups, but page previews also look good. They give you less but are prettier. I wonder if they would be improved by displaying the short description at the top. · · · Peter (Southwood) (talk): 09:45, 8 May 2018 (UTC)
I don't know if short descriptions would go well with Page Previews. Though, I think Page Previews are a game changer. But they change the game, how?    — The Transhumanist   09:55, 8 May 2018 (UTC)
Time will tell. We move through adjacent possibilities. · · · Peter (Southwood) (talk): 10:22, 8 May 2018 (UTC)


underwater diving

Cornflower blue Yogo sapphire.jpg

Thank you for quality articles around underwater diving such as diver communications, for Quantum Reality, for transfers from Wikidata, project work and underwater images, for "A tough day at work, but someone has to do it", - Peter, you are an awesome Wikipedian!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:15, 8 May 2018 (UTC)

Thanks Gerda, you are an inspiration in your own way. · · · Peter (Southwood) (talk): 14:09, 8 May 2018 (UTC)
Adding thanks for admin services ;) - It was the first time that I was No. 1 supporting, and I was a bit afraid thinking that some might oppose just for that ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:47, 7 June 2018 (UTC)


This edit just popped up on my watchlist and I admit I was ignorant of this template until now. I just finished reading up on it, but one things remains unclear. Is the eventual idea to have these on every page? Some of the documentation implies that it's beneficial on pages where it might be unclear to the searcher what they've found. In the case of MoBA, the template seems to be of little use in that regard—in other words, the title of the article leaves little doubt about what the article is, and the template simply duplicates the first sentence. From my humble perspective, it's adding "markup noise" for no obvious gain. --Laser brain (talk) 13:40, 8 May 2018 (UTC)

  • (talk page watcher) In that case, yeah it doesn't seem that useful; it is intended to be used on most pages at-least. I think there was thought on those pages where it wasn't useful to have empty short description to specify that it should be left empty? Galobtter (pingó mió) 13:51, 8 May 2018 (UTC)
    That is correct, but until we have 2 million short descriptions om Wikipedia, WMF will not allow a blank to be displayed, so for FAs I prefer to have something reasonably appropriate rather than risk something worse from Wikidata. · · · Peter (Southwood) (talk): 14:05, 8 May 2018 (UTC)
[ec} Laser brain, That is one of the examples where it is perhaps not as useful as most cases, but we have the choice of having Wikipedia based short descriptions where we can at least maintain them fairly well and ensure that they are appropriate if not always optimum, or leaving WMF to draw a description from Wikidata, where we have very little control over them. If you have an idea for a better short description for MoBA or any other article. please go ahead and edit to improve, they are Wikipedia content and should be managed as such. I am working my way through FAs at the moment, which is a fairly large task, but nothing compared to the 5.5 million total. Others more skilled at coding than I are automating the process where possible, but I think our best articles are worth a little extra effort. Cheers, · · · Peter (Southwood) (talk): 14:02, 8 May 2018 (UTC)
Thanks... I guess? Not your fault at all, but it's absolutely nutty that the first time people hear about this is when it's lighting up their watchlist. I'm a coordinator at WP:FAC and I have lots of Featured articles on my watchlist as a result. The fact that we're going around adding this to every article with very little community discussion and in response to something the foundation did, is bonkers. --Laser brain (talk) 16:06, 8 May 2018 (UTC)
Laser brain, This happens all the time. There was (relatively) extensive discussion in a fairly major RfC late last year. WMF do not seem to understand the difficulty of getting the Wikipedia community to notice something happening. Not that it would have made a lot of difference in this case, as the relevant RfC decided that WMF should not use Wikidata to describe Wikipedia articles, but they are apparently not constrained by what Wikipedians want. The Wikipedia:WikiProject Short descriptions is to some extent damage control, but the short descriptions potentially have other uses, so not an unmitigated evil. More of a pain in the butt and a time-sink, but that is typical Wikipedia. Feel free to complain to WMF, specifically to User:DannyH (WMF) and the reading team, who are responsible. · · · Peter (Southwood) (talk): 16:20, 8 May 2018 (UTC)

Short descriptions[edit]

You are doing a heroic amount of work here, but the start of the first sentences of articles are generally not designed to be treated in this way. I'd suggest for paintings, not giving the technique (oil on canvas) etc. More important information is the subject, where it is not clearish from the title, the date and perhaps the location. For churches and houses there is too much address; an indication of the date and style is more important. I've changed a few: [1], [2], [3], all I think reducing the characters. Johnbod (talk) 14:50, 8 May 2018 (UTC)

Johnbod, Thanks for your improvements. I will try to follow your advice, but feel welcome to make further improvements whenever you feel the inclination. Art is not my forte, it is just at the top of the list of FAs. My primary concern is that the information is correct and not misleading. Like any other content, short descriptions are subject to improvement at any time, and I am happy to see someone taking constructive action. I expect that over time preferred styles will develop for the various categories of article, but at this stage there is too much to do to spend a lot of time optimising. · · · Peter (Southwood) (talk): 15:06, 8 May 2018 (UTC)

A barnstar for your splendid assistence.[edit]

Working Man's Barnstar Hires.png Working Man's Barnstar
It's only a small token of gratitude but I'd like to offer you, Peter, this barnstar in recognition of your generous time and craftsmanly care in hopping in to resolve a difficult table template issue on the Jingili article, providing the page with two which will prove invaluable for hundreds of others articles in this group. Nishidani (talk) 20:27, 9 May 2018 (UTC)

I see some cruft tagging in on this section below due to my ineptitude. No doubt you have the wit to fix it and make it disappear! Nishidani (talk) 20:29, 9 May 2018 (UTC)

Nishidani, you are welcome. We each do what we can, and pay forward for the help we get from others. I am not so skilled with tables that a bit of practice is not good for me. Cheers, · · · Peter (Southwood) (talk): 08:25, 10 May 2018 (UTC)

PS: I don't see the cruft, so no problem
PPS: Added missing closing bracket

WikiProject Portals update, 11 May 2018[edit]

We've grown to 73 members, and morale is high. Thank you for joining. Here is some news, and some tasks...

The RfC will be closed soon...[edit]

2018-05-11: preparations are being made to close the RfC. See Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Requests for closure#Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)/RfC: Ending the system of portals.

When there, be sure to notice the consultation link.

We're trying to get a prototypical single-page portal developed in time to show the RfC closers before they make their final decision. You can help. It's Portal:Humanism. So far, we've applied selective transclusion (automation) to excerpts, and have made the following sections without subpages: intro, selected article, selected biography, categories, related portals, wikiprojects, things to do, and wikimedia. Eight down, 4 to go, plus 2 formatting subpages (not sure we can migrate those). Automating every section, would also be nice.

Main objectives[edit]

Our main objectives currently, are:

  1. Replace static excerpts with selective transclusions, so that the excerpts always stay fresh (that is, match the source content). We are now doing this on the portal base page as much as possible, to reduce the number of subpages that are needed. See #2...
  2. Migrate the functions of subpages to the portal base pages. There are around 150,000 subpages in portal space. We aim to make these obsolete by using templates and other calls from the portal base pages.
  3. Improve portal design to make portals self-update. Semi-dynamic sections update from a static list, as used in {{Transclude random excerpt}}. Fully-dynamic sections would update from a list maintained elsewhere on Wikipedia, like a category. We haven't found a way to do this yet, other than to create a bot (which we will probably need to do).

Maintenance pass #1: Upgrading the intro section[edit]

The intro section of many portals transcludes an "Intro" subpage that has an excerpt in it.

We're replacing that with a selective transclusion directly in the intro section, bypassing the subpage. Though, there's a little more to it...

For instructions, see: Wikipedia:WikiProject Portals#Transclude intro excerpt directly on the portal base page.

Please skip Portal:American Civil War, as that is specifically being maintained by hand.

Maintenance pass #2: Obsoleting the Wikimedia subpages[edit]

One of the sections on many portals links to sister projects on the subject. This needlessly takes a subpage. The subpage can be made obsolete by using the template {{Wikimedia for portals}} directly on the portal base page.

This has been done for several hundred portals so far.

See Wikipedia:WikiProject Portals#Obsolete a Wikimedia subpage for instructions.

Maintenance pass #3: calling the category tree from the portal base page[edit]

Certes figured out how...


For more information, see the thread Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Portals#Rendering PAGENAME inside categorytree tag doesn't work (it does now).

More to come...[edit]

In the meantime, see ya around the portals!    — The Transhumanist   15:55, 11 May 2018 (UTC)

WPSCUBA articles with short descriptions[edit]

I was just checking for WPSCUBA articles without short descriptions using your petscan queries but the query to find those hung. So I tried testing just for articles having template {{WikiProject Scuba diving}} ( ) and got 688 results. It seems that there must be articles in the category Category:WikiProject SCUBA articles (834 total) that don't have the {{WikiProject Scuba diving}} template. I'll see if I can track them down. --RexxS (talk) 12:23, 14 May 2018 (UTC)

RexxS, Thanks, and please let me know how if you get it right. Cheers, · · · Peter (Southwood) (talk): 12:41, 14 May 2018 (UTC)
RexxS, Some of them are redirects. There may be a way to automatically add {{short description|Redirect page}} to all redirects, which would be sufficient. · · · Peter (Southwood) (talk): 06:23, 15 May 2018 (UTC)
Ah, of course, Peter. Thanks. It would be a trivial job for a bot to add a short description for each redirect page (or even a job that AWB could do), if we could be sure that there was any point in having a short description on a redirect page. Let me have a think about that, because at the moment I'm not seeing who would find it useful. --RexxS (talk) 16:39, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

Portals WikiProject update, 15 May 2018[edit]

We are at 74 members. If you know anyone who might find this WikiProject interesting, please invite them.

The RfC has ended[edit]

The RfC was closed May 11th, and a closing statement was posted May 12th which says "There exists a strong consensus against deleting or even deprecating portals at this time."

Ongoing tasks[edit]

Some major activities that we are in the middle of include:

  • Adding the missing existing portals to the main portals list at Portal:Contents/Portals. Instructions are on the talk page. There are about 125 portals left to be processed. (There were 400). Keep up the good work!
  • Development discussions on how to migrate the subpages to the base pages. There are around 150,000 subpages in portal space, associated with the various sections on a typical portal. We are trying to obsolete them section type by section type. Currently, we're working on obsoleting the intro subpages and the "selected articles" subpages. Please join in.

Other tasks[edit]

  • The list of portals not ready to be listed on the main list can be found at Wikipedia:WikiProject Portals#These are not listed yet (scroll down to see them - they are marked Not ready). They are incomplete. If you want a specific portal to work on, please consider choosing one from that list.
  • Over the years, some incomplete portals (portals under construction) got added to Portal:Contents/Portals. Therefore, every portal listed there needs to be inspected, and any that are incomplete should be removed from that list and added to the not ready list at Wikipedia:WikiProject Portals#These are not listed yet (scroll down to see it). On Portal:Contents/Portals, I'm already almost done inspecting the portals in the culture section, and so you can skip those. The types of things to look for are empty sections (most will have a redlinked subpage), lack of "selected" sections, portal stubs with just an intro and end sections, and very poor layout (like seriously unbalanced columns).

Portal-building resources[edit]

During his work on portals, Broter found a quote randomizer. It is {{Random quotation}}.

Trailblazer: approaching the one-page portal[edit]

Broter has transformed the Portal:Community of Christ so it is comprised of only 3 pages in portal space: the base page, its box-header subpage, and its box-footer subpage. Its other other subpages are now obsolete and are waiting for deletion. Nice job, Broter!

Well, that's all for now. See ya around the portals.    — The Transhumanist   06:39, 16 May 2018 (UTC)


Thanks for your edit on Portal:Herbalism, it looks better now. The inconsistent widths were vestigial from a T-pac manouvre on a floating div during development. Cheers, Cesdeva (talk) 14:28, 22 May 2018 (UTC)

NPR Newsletter No.11 25 May 2018[edit]

Hello Pbsouthwood, thank you for your work reviewing New Pages!


  • WP:ACREQ has been implemented. The flow at the feed has dropped back to the levels during the trial. However, the backlog is on the rise again so please consider reviewing a few extra articles each day; a backlog approaching 5,000 is still far too high. An effort is also needed to ensure that older unsuitable older pages at the back of the queue do not get automatically indexed for Google.

Deletion tags

  • Do bear in mind that articles in the feed showing the trash can icon may have been tagged by inexperienced or non NPR rights holders. They require your further verification.

Backlog drive:

  • A backlog drive will take place from 10 through 20 June. Check out our talk page at WT:NPR for more details. NOTE: It is extremely important that we focus on quality reviewing. Despite our goal of reducing the backlog as much as possible, please do not rush while reviewing.


  • There will be a large increase in the number of editathons in June. Please be gentle with new pages that obviously come from good faith participants, especially articles from developing economies and ones about female subjects. Consider using the 'move to draft' tool rather than bluntly tagging articles that may have potential but which cannot yet reside in mainspace.

Paid editing - new policy

  • Now that ACTRIAL is ACREQ, please be sure to look for tell-tale signs of undisclosed paid editing. Contact the creator if appropriate, and submit the issue to WP:COIN if necessary. There is a new global WMF policy that requires paid editors to connect to their adverts.

Subject-specific notability guidelines

  • The box at the right contains each of the subject-specific notability guidelines, please review any that are relevant BEFORE nominating an article for deletion.
  • Reviewers are requested to familiarise themselves with the new version of the notability guidelines for organisations and companies.

Not English

  • A common issue: Pages not in English or poor, unattributed machine translations should not reside in main space even if they are stubs. Please ensure you are familiar with WP:NPPNE. Check in Google for the language and content, tag as required, then move to draft if they do have potential.


  • Development is underway by the WMF on upgrades to the New Pages Feed, in particular ORES features that will help to identify COPYVIOs, and more granular options for selecting articles to review.
  • The next issue of The Signpost has been published. The newspaper is one of the best ways to stay up to date with news and new developments. between our newsletters.

Go here to remove your name if you wish to opt-out of future mailings. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 20:35, 24 May 2018 (UTC)

Portals WikiProject update, 25 May 2018[edit]

We have grown to 79 members.

Please provide a warm welcome to our latest additions, Wpgbrown,, JLJ001, and Wumbolo.

A lot is going on, much of it on the WikiProject's talk page, so be sure to go there and join in on any of the many discussions taking place there.

Elsewhere around the portal project, or related to portals, the following is happening...

New news template ready for testing[edit]

Evad37 has created a new template, with supporting lua module, to handle news in portals...

{{Transclude selected current events}} is ready to be tested in some actual portals. Let Evad37 know if you need help with the search patterns.

Noyster commented that "This is the best portal innovation since sliced bread!"

See the relevant discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Portals#Alternative to Wikinews.

Thank you, Evad.

Coming soon: Automatic article alerts (but there is a glitch)[edit]

Our WikiProject is now subscribed to the bot that makes automatic article alerts, but the subpage where they are posted has not been added to our WikiProject page yet because of a weird problem...

Featured portal nominations from two years ago keep popping up on there.

Please check Wikipedia:WikiProject Portals/Article alerts to see if you can figure out how to fix this.

Once that is remedied, it will be posted on our WikiProject page.

Thank you.

Note that, this will only track base pages, because to track the rest, we'd have to create over 140,000 talk pages for the subpages, and that just isn't worthwhile (as we're trying to remove the subpages anyways). Therefore, any alerts for subpages will still need to be posted manually.

New portal, still needs work[edit]

Drafting a new portals guideline[edit]

Your input/editing is welcome on the draft-in-progress of a new guideline for portals.

See or work on the draft at User:Cesdeva/sandbox11.

See also the discussion at: Wikipedia talk:Portal guidelines#RfC on new portal guidelines

RfC on new TOC layout for main portal list[edit]

There is a proposal to change the look of the table of contents at Portal:Contents/Portals.

See: Portal talk:Contents/Portals#RFC on layout update.

Deletion discussion survivors[edit]

Thank you to those who have participated in portal deletion discussions. There are still some editors out there who despise portals, and this comes across in their argumentation style. Wow. Such negativity. But, there is some good news...

Current deletion discussions are posted on our WikiProject page.

Portal space clean up[edit]

While portal detractors are trying to get rid of portals via MfD, we have deleted many of them via speedy deletion (per {{Db-p1}} or {{Db-p2}}). Essentially, they were bare skeletons, with maybe a little meat on them. The plus here is that speedy deletion is without prejudice to re-creating the portals. They can easily be restarted from scratch without getting approval, or be undeleted by request by someone willing to work on them. We have kept track of these, for when someone wants to rebuild them. They are listed at Portal talk:Contents/Portals#These are not listed yet.

We are also removing subpages, the functions of which have been migrated to portal base pages. To see which ones have been removed, look for the redlinks in our watchlist.

There is also an MfD concerning some of these at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Redundant subpages of the Cornwall portal.

For subpages that need to be deleted, you can conveniently place this speedy deletion template at the top of each of them:

{{Db-g6|rationale=of subpage clean up – this subpage's function has been migrated to the portal base page and is no longer needed}}

Then an admin will come along and delete them.

Please help list the unlisted portals![edit]

There are still 100 existing portals not yet presented on the main portal list at Portal:Contents/Portals. There were 400, so we've come a long way. Thank you! But we are not done yet...

Please list a couple of them. Every little bit helps. If each member of this project listed one more, it would almost all be done. Many hands make light work.

The list of missings, and instructions, are to be found at Portal talk:Contents/Portals#These are not listed yet.

I hope to see you there!

Wrapping up[edit]

These developments make up just the tip of the iceberg. I'll have more to report in the next update, soon.    — The Transhumanist   00:32, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

Whoa, I missed one...[edit]

There's an article about the Portals WikiProject in the new issue of Signpost:

Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2018-05-24/WikiProject report


P.S.: We now have 80 members. Evad37 just joined!    — The Transhumanist   01:37, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

AP Diving page[edit]

  • I have ventured to move page AP Diving to mainspace again, and I have scavenged around for more references. (How well known is AP Diving and its products in the USA rather than in Britain or Europe?) Anthony Appleyard (talk) 16:08, 27 May 2018 (UTC)
    Anthony Appleyard, That is fine by me, if you think the refs are sufficient to establish notability. I am sure that the company is notable, but have not been able to find satisfactory references, probably because they are mainly in print, and I don't have those documents. I have no idea how well known they are in US vs UK and Europe, as I am in South Africa, but as far as I know they are the longest established manufacturer of recreational ECCRs,and have had the most recorded accidents associated with their product, mainly because it is used most often and has been produced in the largest numbers. However I don't have documentary evidence. It is just a matter of time before we find the evidence needed. ( now I think of it I will look in Rebreather forum 3. there may be something usable there.) Cheers, · · · Peter (Southwood) (talk): 17:05, 27 May 2018 (UTC)

It's time: the Portals WikiProject AWBers are needed for a task...[edit]

I'm contacting you because you indicated on the Portals WikiProject's members list that you use AWB.

We are now working on a task that requires your help.

Please see Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Portals#AWB team please tackle maintenance run on intro sections.

Thank you.    — The Transhumanist   22:38, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

Portals WikiProject update #007, 31 May 2018[edit]

We have grown to 89 members.

This is the seventh issue of this newsletter. For previous issues, see our newsletter archive.


A warm welcome to our nearly one dozen new members...

Our new members include:

Be sure to say "hi" and welcome them to the team.

The portal set has shrunk[edit]

There were 1515 portals, but now we have 1475, because we speedy deleted a bunch of incompleted portals that had been sitting around for ages, that were empty shells or had very little content. Because they were speedied, they can be rebuilt from scratch without acquiring approval from WP:DRV.

Maintenance runs on the portals set have begun[edit]

This is what we have been gearing up for: upgrading the portals en masse, using AWB.

More than half of the Associated Wikimedia sections have been converted to no longer use a subpage. This chore will probably be completed over the next week or two. Many thanks to the WikiGnome Squad, who have added an Associated Wikimedia section to the many geography-related portals that lacked one. The rest of the subjects await. :)

The next maintenance drive will be on the intro sections. Notices have gone out to the WikiProjects for which one or more portals fall within their subject scope. Once enough time has elapsed for them to respond (1 week), AWB processing of intro sections will begin.

Thank you, you[edit]

I'd like to take this opportunity to thank you all for your part in the RfC. I went back and reread much of it. I believe your enthusiasm played a major part in turning the tide on there. I'm proud of all of you.

Why reread that mess, you ask?

To harvest ideas, and to keep the problems that need to be fixed firmly in mind. But, also to keep in touch. See below...

Thank yous all around[edit]

I've contacted all of the other opposers of the RfC proposal to delete portals, to thank them for their support, and to assure them that their decision was not made in vain. I updated them on our activities, provided the link to the interviews about this project in the Signpost, pointed out our newsletter archive so they can keep up-to-date with what we are doing, and I invited them all to come and have a look-see at our operations (on our talk page).

Sockpuppet, and reverting his work[edit]

It so happened that one of our members was a sockpuppet: JLJ001. According to the admin who blocked him, he was a particularly tricky long term abuser. This is a weird situation, since the user was quite helpful. He will be missed.

This has been somewhat disruptive, because admins are doing routine deletions of the pages (portals, templates, etc.) he created, and reversion of his edits (I don't know if they will be reverting all of them). Please bear with them, as they are only doing what is best in the long run.

The following pages have been deleted by the admins so far, that I know of:

Automation so far, section by section...[edit]

Automatic article alerts is up and running[edit]

Automatic article alerts are now featured on the project page.

Some super out-of-date entries kept showing up on there, so posting it on the Project page was delayed. Thanks to Evad37 and AfroThundr for providing solutions on this one. Evad37 adjusted the workflow settings per Wikipedia:Article alerts/Subscribing#Choosing workflows, to make sure only the appropriate page types show up. AfroThundr removed the tags from the old entries that caused them to keep showing up in the article alerts.

Other things that could use some automation[edit]

Noyster pointed out that it would be nice to automate the updating of the portals section at the Community bulletin board.

Another major component of the portal system is the main list of portals, at Portal:Contents/Portals. How would we go about automating the updating of that?

Please post your ideas on the WikiProject's talk page. Thank you.

Deletion discussion survivors[edit]

Keep in mind that we have already speedy deleted almost all of the nearly empty portals, which can be rebuilt without approval whenever it is convenient to do so. Other portals should be completed if at all possible rather than delete them through MfD (which requires approval from Deletion review to rebuild).

(Current deletion discussions are posted on our WikiProject page).

Portals needing repair[edit]

Wrapping up[edit]

There's still more, but it will have to wait until next issue.

Until then, see ya around the project.    — The Transhumanist   12:02, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – June 2018[edit]

News and updates for administrators from the past month (May 2018).


Administrator changes

added None
removed Al Ameer sonAliveFreeHappyCenariumLupoMichaelBillington

Guideline and policy news

Technical news

  • IP-based cookie blocks should be deployed to English Wikipedia in June. This will cause the block of a logged-out user to be reloaded if they change IPs. This means in most cases, you may no longer need to do /64 range blocks on residential IPv6 addresses in order to effectively block the end user. It will also help combat abuse from IP hoppers in general. For the time being, it only affects users of the desktop interface.
  • The Wikimedia Foundation's Anti-Harassment Tools team will build granular types of blocks in 2018 (e.g. a block from uploading or editing specific pages, categories, or namespaces, as opposed to a full-site block). Feedback on the concept may be left at the talk page.
  • There is now a checkbox on Special:ListUsers to let you see only users in temporary user groups.
  • It is now easier for blocked mobile users to see why they were blocked.


  • A recent technical issue with the Arbitration Committee's spam filter inadvertently caused all messages sent to the committee through Wikipedia (i.e. Special:EmailUser/Arbitration Committee) to be discarded. If you attempted to send an email to the Arbitration Committee via Wikipedia between May 16 and May 31, your message was not received and you are encouraged to resend it. Messages sent outside of these dates or directly to the Arbitration Committee email address were not affected by this issue.


Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 21:00, 1 June 2018 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Portals#AWB task (eom)[edit]

P.S.: (I have my fingers crossed, for your RfA).    — The Transhumanist   00:25, 2 June 2018 (UTC)

Your RFA[edit]

Hey there, just sending you some positive vibes about your RFA experience. I respect you for weathering the process thus far. In my opinion you are just the type of admin we need: thoughtful, mature, and interested in building an encyclopedia. While there are certainly some valid points in your opposition section, most of it is indicative of what's gone wrong with this site. I'm not ready to jump ship though, and I hope this process doesn't make you feel that way. Whatever happens, face forward and let's keep influencing this place for the better. --Laser brain (talk) 14:24, 2 June 2018 (UTC)

Laser brain, Thanks for the kind words. I agree with your analysis: The oppose reasons are generally plausible and logically valid. Whether they are sufficient is the question that the closer will have to decide. I will ride this out because of the support and because all else aside, it is an interesting experience and less stressful than is generally implied. Perhaps that is because to me it really isn't a big deal, and even the opposes are being very polite about it. I think the underlying debate here is between those who fear the appointment of admins that may be difficult to get rid of, for whatever reason, and those who don't see a problem with admins who may not be skilled with all tools and continuously active in admin work. I can sympathise with the former, because I also think admin recall should be easier and a community procedure. Cheers, · · · Peter (Southwood) (talk): 15:09, 2 June 2018 (UTC)
Export hell seidel steiner.png A beer on me!
Feel free to have a Leinies on me! Although I am a regretful nay on your RFA, I do wish you the best of luck. -- Dolotta (talk) 01:41, 3 June 2018 (UTC)

Dolotta, I started the RfA at 08:26, 30 May 2018‎. At that time there were no indications on the list of members that any were admins, as can be seen on the first version after the RfA start. Cheers, · · · Peter (Southwood) (talk): 06:09, 3 June 2018 (UTC)

User info screenshot
I've cast my eye over that list and count nine admins. Admittedly, that status isn't explicitly mentioned with any of them but you get their user rights when you hover your cursor over the user name (at least that happens with the way my account is set up). Schwede66 04:52, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
Schwede66, Now that I check, so does mine. I didn't think of it at the time though. These things happen. Cheers, · · · Peter (Southwood) (talk): 05:40, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
Your RFA reminds me of how my RFA vote percentage looked like and how mine turned out (although the reasons for users opposing your RFA are much different than the reasons that users opposed mine... which is a good thing, lol). I haven't seen such an "on-the-border" RFA vote turnout since mine... and I remember just how of a nail-biter it was to me. Although I decided to oppose, I want you to know that I meant it when I said that I thought you were a fantastic editor. Should your RFA not pass, I hope that you can look past any disheartened feelings and that you don't let it weigh you down. I was left feeling quite disheartened when my first RFA failed, and I would be blowing smoke at you if I told you that I wouldn't have felt the same way had my second one also failed... just keep your head up and power on should that happen. If your RFA does pass, I hope that you'll not only complete the objectives that primarily motivated you to run in the first place, but that you'll slowly, carefully, and with wisdom - transition yourself into the role and that you'll continue to use the tools in order to improve the project long-term. Passing an RFA is something that a very few number of editors achieve, and is something that's been continuing to decrease in number and become harder to accomplish as time goes by and the project ages and changes. Don't take such an achievement lightly; use the opportunity that you may be given ;-). I wish you good luck and I hope that the RFA isn't leaving you stressed, up late at night, etc :-) ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 08:56, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
Oshwah, If my RfA does not pass, I will be free of the responsibilities and work that go with it, and not because I shirked the burden. I have so much to do without additional work that I wouldn't notice the loss and any discernible disheartening effect should be over in a day or so. It seems that I misjudged the need, but I did so in good faith, so it does not cause me any loss of sleep. If it passes I intend to take the responsibilities as seriously as they deserve and to follow a route much as you recommend, so don't you lose any sleep over it either. I am confident that the encyclopedia is in no danger from me. Cheers, · · · Peter (Southwood) (talk): 12:54, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
I agree that you did nothing in bad faith :-). That's an excellent mindset to have, and I wish you good luck and I wish you well! :-D ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 13:02, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
Well HEY!!! holy hell, look at this! Your RFA did pretty much the same thing that mine did... and you made a clean pass.... congratulations are absolutely in order here. Even though I decided to oppose your RFA, I want you to know that I'm so so glad that your RFA passed. You have the chance and the opportunity to show the community that, despite your narrow primary motivations for running and what you'd use the tools for - you became a fair, knowledgeable, dedicated, and respected administrator. You have the potential to be an amazing and excellent example that editors point to in order to show that RFA candidates don't have to be held to such a high level of expectations and with such a wide level of demonstrated experience in the "typical areas" first. You could be the one that indirectly results in the RFA process becoming a better and less-extreme environment than what it's slowly allowed itself to work up to become over the years, and I think that this "kick in the face" with how we think and judge in this area would be good for us. I'm not at all trying to imply any pressure toward you or say that "we'll all be watching you" (lol)... I simply wanted to say that this RFA was a step in the right direction to unbreak the expectations we set and make a positive adjustment to such for new candidates. Again, I congratulate you for passing, and I'm available should you have any questions or need my help with anything. Now crack open a beer (five) and relax. You definitely deserve it. Welcome aboard :-) ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 03:21, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
This possibility (of having a positive influence on future RfAs) did pass through my mind, and is one of the reasons I decided to not try to game the system in any way, which would not have been too difficult. The other reason I guess is that gaming the system sucks;-/ What you see here is what you get, though maybe with an extra layer of civility which has now become a habit. Cheers, · · · Peter (Southwood) (talk): 07:30, 7 June 2018 (UTC)

Despite the fact that I snuck in my additional question to you soon after the opening of your RfA, I waited to vote for almost an entire week. I want you to know that I have put a considerable amount of time into digging through your contributions and efforts prior to making this vote; it is not that I did not have confidence in your abilities to be an upstanding administrator. I do see the side of people who say that you have not been as involved in admin-related areas. However, your a) sense of commitment to making Wikipedia richer by improving its content and b) need for the tools, even if it is for a particular task, shows your alignment with Wikipedia's goals, which is what Wikipedia's policies are derived from. A person doesn't have to have a finance major to go into finance; they can have a degree in engineering, for instance; an engineer typically has the analytical skills needed to go into a financial role. You have demonstrated an ability to have a mature understanding of Wikipedia's policies, particularly those related to content creation, have demonstrated an understanding and application of policies on Wikivoyage, and have familiarity with Wikipedia's goals. Moreover, your having gained trust on Wikivoyage and willingness to recall suggests that you are not in it to hat collect. I ended up supporting your RfA. I applaud you for your willingness to step up to the plate, and best of luck to you until the closing of the process. JustBerry (talk) 01:23, 5 June 2018 (UTC)

JustBerry, Your diligence is appreciated, and your analysis seems rational. Thanks, · · · Peter (Southwood) (talk): 04:05, 5 June 2018 (UTC)
  • So far it is looking good yo. I hope it passes :) —usernamekiran(talk) 00:20, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
2 more hours! --JustBerry (talk) 04:19, 6 June 2018 (UTC)

The 200 club! Congratulations![edit]

You're about to enter it! Congratulations! Lourdes 16:39, 5 June 2018 (UTC)

And you just did join the club. Wow again! Lourdes 17:04, 5 June 2018 (UTC)

Congratulations on the successful RfA![edit]

With 213 supporters, Pbsouthwood's request for adminship is the fourth to succeed in 2018 (image courtesy of Linguist111).

Well done! And do well! Lourdes 07:13, 6 June 2018 (UTC)

  • Yea, well done mate Govindaharihari (talk) 07:14, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
  • Looks like a couple of people beat me to it as I was doing the tidy up. So I'll just drop this here! WormTT(talk) 07:19, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
  • Congratulations! --JustBerry (talk) 07:37, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
  • Congrats! Here's to a happy career of mopping! Galobtter (pingó mió) 07:50, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
  • I'm more than pleased that this passed. Big congratulations. Schwede66 08:02, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
Thank you all. I will try to live up to your reasonable expectations.· · · Peter (Southwood) (talk): 09:23, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
Export hell seidel steiner.png
A beer for you!
(or suitable non-alcoholic drink if you prefer)
A toast to your successful RfA! Best of luck to you!  — Amakuru (talk) 09:57, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
Well done, enjoy your T shirt, if you have any questions feel free to ask ϢereSpielChequers 10:12, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
  • Welcome to the admin corps! — xaosflux Talk 11:10, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
    • Congratulations for adminship !! CAPTAIN RAJU(T) 11:46, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
  • Congratulations for your RfA! Especially this one, which was quite stressful. You went under 73% before finally going up to 77%. L293D ( • ) 12:03, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
  • yeah, I knew from the start your RfA would pass. I think we should get drunk, and bi+ch about jimbo now. —usernamekiran(talk) 12:11, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
  • Congratulations on making it through the gauntlet!! I went through it 12 years ago and it has gotten a lot tougher since then! --rogerd (talk) 13:11, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
  • Congratulations! From one member of WP:Portals to another, I wish you the best and thank you for taking on the 150,000 page backlog! — Javert2113 (talk; please ping me in your reply on this page) 14:22, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
  • Congratulations!!! Aren't RfAs fun?? ^_^ Now, get to work!! Atsme📞📧 14:32, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
  • Congratulations on your RfA, and on receiving the most support !votes so far this year! LinguistunEinsuno (Linguist111) 14:52, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
  • Congrats to our newest administrator! PCHS-NJROTC (Messages)Have a blessed day. 14:56, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
  • Congrats cinco de L3X1 ◊distænt write◊ 17:53, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
  • Cheers, so pleased for the project! Lucky to have you. Thanks for all your work, as well as standing; I meant it when I said I hope we'll get more candidates like you, and I appreciate your helping pave the way! Innisfree987 (talk) 18:01, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
  • Congratulations Pbsouthwood! --TheSandDoctor Talk 03:32, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
  • Congrats on the successful, self-nom push. I wish you all the best in your future endeavors.  :) - NsTaGaTr (Talk) 12:58, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
  • Congratulations. The last few days of the RfA were quite an impressive comeback. Biblio (talk) 22:52, 7 June 2018 (UTC)

A beer for you![edit]

Export hell seidel steiner.png Congratulations your RfA!!! Hhkohh (talk) 11:13, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
And I am sorry that I forget to vote in your RfA. Cheers! Hhkohh (talk) 11:14, 6 June 2018 (UTC)

Your RFA[edit]

Welcome to the admin corps.CAPTAIN RAJU(T) 11:48, 6 June 2018 (UTC)


I'm glad you made it.    — The Transhumanist   12:42, 6 June 2018 (UTC)

Congratulations Pbsouthwood! That was the stormiest RfA I have seen. All the best with your admin tools! -- Kautilya3 (talk) 18:37, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
It didn't feel too bad from inside. Most of the opposes were sincere and not unreasonable. Cheers, · · · Peter (Southwood) (talk): 18:49, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
Now go mop. :-) Yintan  19:36, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
I'm delighted to see the result. Bishonen | talk 21:16, 6 June 2018 (UTC).
Thanks, and regards to the ankle biters, · · · Peter (Southwood) (talk): 06:57, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
Congrats! Feel free to reach out to me if you have any questions! SQLQuery me! 22:52, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
Welcome aboard! Enjoy the warm glow of new adminship - it lasts about 24 hours and after that it's down to work! I know you'll be a real asset to the project. --MelanieN (talk) 00:36, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
Mop is wet, learning curve steep. Cheers · · · Peter (Southwood) (talk): 06:57, 7 June 2018 (UTC)

That was one of the more harrowing community vettings I've seen. You weathered it well.  Painius  put'r there  01:30, 7 June 2018 (UTC)

I agree. I hope it will give confidence to future qualified candidates. Congratulations and good luck. Donner60 (talk) 04:18, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
  • Congratulations...hope you do it best. --Mhhossein talk 06:31, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
Thanks to all for encouragement and support. The RfA was not as bad as all that, and was quite interesting at many levels. Most criticism was fair, and unfair criticism reflects more on the critic. Anyway, excitement is over, back to work. Much to do, much to learn... · · · Peter (Southwood) (talk): 06:57, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
The correct result. Most of us admins are very friendly and helpful, and asking questions of them is a good thing, never feel unsure whether you can do so or not. I'm sure, however, that you'll be fine. More than fine. All the best. Fish+Karate 08:37, 7 June 2018 (UTC)

Congratulations, Peter! During the RfA, I was depressed by what I considered to be so many examples of how not to evaluate a potential administrator. Thankfully, good reason prevailed. Now get that mopping job done and we can get back to scuba diving articles. Cheers --RexxS (talk) 18:23, 7 June 2018 (UTC)

I was impressed by the amount of goodwill, even from much of the opposition. It was an interesting exerience. And thanks for the support.
The mopping is never finished, and the sub-encyclopaedia of underwater diving will also never be finished, but it is getting better. I can shift between them as the inspiration calls. Cheers, · · · Peter (Southwood) (talk): 18:57, 7 June 2018 (UTC)


And after all the excitement dies down, I want to pick your brain about the SCR. Atsme📞📧 22:59, 7 June 2018 (UTC)

Atsme, Ask when you are ready. I will answer when I can. · · · Peter (Southwood) (talk): 04:37, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

Portals WikiProject update #008, 7 June 2018[edit]

The WikiProject now has 92 participants, including 16 admins.


A warm welcome to the newest members of the team:

Be sure to say hi.


Pbsouthwood has just gotten through the grueling RfA process to become a Wikipedia administrator. Be sure to congratulate him.

The reason he went for it was: "For some time I expect to be busy with subpage deletion for Wikipedia:WikiProject Portals as mentioned above. The amount of work is expected to keep me busy for some time. I am primarly a content creator and contributor to policy discussions, but would be willing to consider other admin work on request, providing that I feel that my involvement would be appropriate and not too far outside my comfort zone."

New feature: Picture slideshow[edit]

Picture slideshow

Evad37 has figured out a way to let the user flip through pictures without purging the page. Purging is awkward because there is an intermediary confirmation screen that you have to click on "yes". In the new picture slideshow section, all you have to do is click on the > to go to the next picture or < to instantly show the previous feature. The feature also shuffles the pictures when the page is initiated, so that they are shown in a different order each time the user visits the page (or purges it).

It is featured in Portal:Sacramento, California. Check it out to the right.

Keep in mind that the feature is a beta version. Please share your comments on how to refine this feature, at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Portals#Refining the Picture slideshow.

The one-page portal has been achieved[edit]

We now have a one-page portal design. It isn't fully automated, nor is it even fully semi-automated, as there are still some manually filled-in areas. But it no longer requires any subpages in portal space, and that is a huge improvement. For example, Portal:Sacramento, California utilizes the one-page design concept. While is employs heavy use of templates, it does not have any subpages of its own.

I commend you for your teamwork[edit]

This is the most cooperative team I've ever seen. With a strong spirit of working together to get an important job done. Kudos to you.

In conclusion...[edit]

There's more. A lot more. But it will have to wait until next issue, but you don't have to wait. See what's going on at the WikiProject's talk page.    — The Transhumanist   02:10, 7 June 2018 (UTC)

welcome to the mop corps[edit]

Congratulations on your successful RFA!
You signed up for this, so now it's your turn to hear what the puppy told me after my RFA passed –
eleven long, sordid, good-lord-how-has-it-been-eleven-years years ago:
  1. Remember you will always protect the wrong version. (I got nothing here. It's inevitable. I'd be shocked if you haven't done it already.)
  2. Remember you must always follow the rules, except for when you ignore them. Without exception, you will pick the wrong one to do. (See #5.)
  3. Remember to assume good faith and not bite. Remember that when you are applying these principles most diligently, you are probably dealing with a troll. (You'll attract many more of those now, because mop. They must like to drink the dirty water in the bucket.)
  4. Use the block ability sparingly. Enjoy the insults you receive when you do block, because really, what else is there to live for?
  5. Remember that when you make these errors, someone will be more than happy to point them out to you in dazzling clarity and descriptive terminology.
    It will not be a personal attack because we are admins and, therefore, we are all rouge anyway.
  6. Finally, remember to contact me if you ever need assistance, and I will do what I am able.

Katietalk 12:55, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
DISCLAIMER: This humor does not reflect the official humor of Wikipedia, the Wikimedia Foundation, or Jimbo Wales, because if it did, it would be much, much better. Or worse. Who knows.
All rights released under GFDL.
Yup. "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds; and the pessimist fears this is true. So I elect for neither label."[1] Thanks, Katie. · · · Peter (Southwood) (talk): 14:03, 7 June 2018 (UTC)


  1. ^ James Branch Cabell

We do see the hard work[edit]

Portal Barnstar Hires.png The Portal Barnstar
Thank you so much for all the great work you're doing behind the scenes on Portals. You've taken on quite the task and the community thanks you for it. Moxy (talk) 18:18, 7 June 2018 (UTC)

Portal page speedy deletion request[edit]

Hi PBsouthwood, congratulations on your recent adminship! I was wondering if you'd be able to help me with your new admin skills clean up a portal. I'm in the process of remaking Portal:Human body as a single page, would you be able to help me with some speedy deletion requests? (I figure a single request here is easier than 60 subrequests and the time that takes!) My rationale is "G6 Redundant portal page - now on main page".

If you'd be able to speedy delete from the subpages of the portal (subpages are here: [4]) - but not from the main portal:

  • All Wikimedia subpages (no longer needed - integrated into main)
  • All intro and intro box headers of the subpages
  • All the nervous system, lymphatic system, and digestive system subpages
  • All of the "things to do" subpages

That would be most appreciated!! As you're doing that I'm going to continue to move content over and tighten up the main page. (have just done something similar with Portal:Anatomy which also has a few outstanding speedy deletion requests. Many thanks! --Tom (LT) (talk) 07:14, 9 June 2018 (UTC)

Tom (LT), That should not be a problem. I will take a look and see if your request is unambiguous. If it is I will delete. If it turns out less unambiguous than it looks, you will have to ask me to undelete specific pages by name. The easiest for me is if you list all the pages you want deleted on one of your user subpages, then I can bulk delete very quickly and you will be 100% sure the right stuff is being deleted. Cheers, · · · Peter (Southwood) (talk): 07:22, 9 June 2018 (UTC)
Tom (LT), Please confirm that every one of the subpages at [5] is to be deleted as of now. Cheers, · · · Peter (Southwood) (talk): 07:28, 9 June 2018 (UTC)
Tom (LT), I have deleted the last subpages from Portal:Anatomy. Please check that this is satisfactory. The portal still appears to function normally. Cheers, · · · Peter (Southwood) (talk): 12:03, 9 June 2018 (UTC)

Thank you, Pbsouthwood! I have a few more pages to request:

  • Reproductive system subpages  Done
  • Nervous system subpages  Done
  • Musculoskeletal subpages  Done
  • Integumentary subpages  Done
  • Cardiovascular system subpage  Done
  • Featured picture/article subpage  Done

Again same rationale as above, and have integrated the content into the main page. Pages are listed here [6]. That should leave only a few pages left, which I'll go through myself and check that there are no unexpected dependencies. Your work is much appreciated! --Tom (LT) (talk) 01:08, 10 June 2018 (UTC)

Tom (LT), The information you are giving me is not sufficient to positively and unambiguously identify the pages to delete. If I click on some of the links on the special page, then check what links to that page I get quite a list. Generally that means the page is still used by several pages, and deleting it will break articles, which is not the way to do this. For me to spend maybe 20 minutes or more checking through each of those pages to ensure that I only delete the ones which will not break something is not efficient. If you blank all the unused pages, with an edit summary that they are now redundant, you can check for yourself if there are unwanted side effects, and if there are none then I can delete them with reasonable confidence that no harm is likely to be done, as then I can check if the page is blank, and the edit summary specifies that the page is no longer in use before deleting, which is relatively quick. If you list the specific pages to be deleted and only those pages on one of your own talk pages, I can assume that you have personally checked that there will be no unforeseen complications and are taking responsibility for having checked, and I can delete much more quickly. If there is anything unclear about this, please ask. Cheers, · · · Peter (Southwood) (talk): 15:30, 10 June 2018 (UTC)
@Pbsouthwood, hmm. Both options you discuss are labour-intensive (you checking, and me blanking). I have requested speedy deletion of the main system subpages, on the grounds that they are redundant. A second impartial admin can make that assessment and, if they are deleted, then all "system" subpages will be both not used and not have a parent page (which I think is G6 and G8 criteria). If you're still not comfortable deleting ( :( ) then I may migrate my request to the administrator's noticeboard. My blanking the pages will take quite some time and not change the fact that at the time of deletion an admin will still be checking "what links here". Nor will my making a list when there's a list provided on the link I provide. Deleting the main subpages will, however, make that process a lot simpler. Thanks for your help above, still much appreciated. --Tom (LT) (talk) 00:24, 11 June 2018 (UTC)
Tom (LT), You have linked to special pages that list all subpages prefixed with a specific page name, and provided a short list of generic page types presumably associated with the special page list. I cannot read the two together and know with any certainty exactly which pages can be safely deleted. This may be due to ignorance of the system on my part, or may be a real lack of unambiguous specification. Either way it would be irresponsible for me to delete. Sorry about that. Cheers, · · · Peter (Southwood) (talk): 05:03, 11 June 2018 (UTC)
Tom (LT). Hang on a bit, I may have worked out a way to deal with this. · · · Peter (Southwood) (talk): 05:28, 11 June 2018 (UTC)
It seems to be working, and I have deleted Portal:Human body/Reproductive System and all of its subpages. However, batch delete does not appear to be able to get a list from Special:Prefixes lists, so have to delete each subpage individually until I find a workaround. · · · Peter (Southwood) (talk): 06:04, 11 June 2018 (UTC)
Tom (LT), I have now cleaned up the backlog of subpages for Portal:Human body. Please confirm that this is what you wanted, and that there are no apparent errors. Cheers, · · · Peter (Southwood) (talk): 08:12, 11 June 2018 (UTC)
Firstly, I'm very glad to hear you have batch delete ability!! Secondly - this is what I wanted, and I have checked the main page checked, no errors. Thanks very much for your help! --Tom (LT) (talk) 09:03, 11 June 2018 (UTC)
I am glad I could help, and that I was able to work out what you wanted. Batch delete is very powerful and very fast, All those deletions would take only a few seconds once the correct list is selected, but for those reasons I treat it like a loaded gun. I want to be sure that the target is correctly identified before I point it at anything, and it cannot select from the list on special pages. A simple bulleted list on a talk page - either one of your own, mine or the WikiProject - created by someone who takes responsibility for the list being correct, is appropriate. Please consider this option if you expect to need large numbers of portal subpages deleted again. Cheers, · · · Peter (Southwood) (talk): 09:24, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

Portal:Poland/box-footer undelete[edit]

Hi Pbsouthwood, could you please undelete Portal:Poland/box-footer? It's still needed. Thanks — Kpalion(talk) 15:42, 9 June 2018 (UTC)

Kpalion,  Done. Note that it is trivially simple to substitute the generic {{Box-footer}} as it is exactly the same thing disguised with another name. Cheers, · · · Peter (Southwood) (talk): 17:00, 9 June 2018 (UTC)
Thanks! Replacing the template is not that trivial to me, as I don't even know where exactly it is used. I only know that its deletion messed up the layout of Portal:Poland/Selected picture. Can you tell me where I should make the replacement? — Kpalion(talk) 23:51, 9 June 2018 (UTC)
Kpalion, That may be less trivial than I thought, as I cannot find it in use anywhere. There is no visible use in Portal:Poland/Selected picture. It should be easy to fix once we find it. I will be unavailable for editing most of today, so will copy this discussion to the WikiProject talk page in the hope that someone else can work out what is going on. Cheers, · · · Peter (Southwood) (talk): 04:49, 10 June 2018 (UTC)
 Done (see WikiProject Portals talk page for details) · · · Peter (Southwood) (talk): 06:56, 11 June 2018 (UTC)


And welcome aboard :-) Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 14:04, 10 June 2018 (UTC)

Congrats! Λυδαcιτγ 06:52, 11 June 2018 (UTC)
  • Hey, good to see you squeaked thru. --Floquenbeam (talk) 22:01, 12 June 2018 (UTC)

NPP Backlog Elimination Drive[edit]

Hello Pbsouthwood, thank you for your work reviewing New Pages!

We can see the light at the end of the tunnel: there are currently 2900 unreviewed articles, and 4000 unreviewed redirects.

Announcing the Backlog Elimination Drive!

  • As a final push, we have decided to run a backlog elimination drive from the 20th to the 30th of June.
  • Reviewers who review at least 50 articles or redirects will receive a Special Edition NPP Barnstar: Special Edition New Page Patroller's Barnstar. Those who review 100, 250, 500, or 1000 pages will also receive tiered awards: 100 review coin, 250 review coin, 500 review coin, 1000 review certificate.
  • Please do not be hasty, take your time and fully review each page. It is extremely important that we focus on quality reviewing.

Go here to remove your name if you wish to opt-out of future mailings. — Insertcleverphrasehere (or here) 06:57, 16 June 2018 (UTC)

Portals WikiProject update #009, 15 June 2018[edit]

(Article slideshow prototype)
Selected animals

Don't mind that box to the right. We'll be talking about that later, below.

Almost done...[edit]

With the portals upgrades?

No. :)

What is almost done is the updating of the main list of portals!

There are 23 portals left to be listed.

Kudos to the WikiGnome Squadron, for spearheading this.

Once it is fully updated, we need to keep it up to date. When you complete a portal, remember to add it to Portal:Contents/Portals.

Concerning portal upgrades, we are working on those section-by-section...

Associated Wikimedia section conversion task complete[edit]

The Associated Wikimedia sections of the entire set of portals have been upgraded. These are now handled on each portal base page (bypassing the previously used corresponding subpages), using the {{Wikimedia for portals}} template rather than reiterated copied/pasted code.

So, to be more accurate on reporting upgrade progress, that's one section down (for the whole set of portals), with (about) nine sections to go. (Skipping curated portals, regarding custom content sections, of course).

Further section conversions (using AWB)[edit]

Work is underway on converting Portals' introduction sections, and the categories sections.

If you would like to help, see Wikipedia:WikiProject Portals#Upgrade introduction sections and Wikipedia:WikiProject Portals#AWB task: Convert category sections

Further section conversions (by hand)[edit]

Work has also started with converting selected picture sections to picture slideshow sections. See Wikipedia:WikiProject Portals#Install picture slideshows.

Quality rating system for portals under development[edit]

Currently, there is no quality rating for portals: in the Portals WikiProject box on each portals' talk page, it just says "Portal". But times are a changin'. Quality assessment is on the way, and you can help. See the discussion.

What's coming: excerpt slideshows[edit]

Evad37 has figured out a way to apply the picture slideshow feature to displaying article excerpts (now you can check out the provided box above). :) This allows us to bypass page purging to see the next selection, and you can even click through them rather quickly. Currently, the wikicode for doing this for article excerpts is a bit eye-boggling, and so we are looking into simplifying it. A streamlined version may be just around the corner.

Note that this is a prototype, not ready for widespread use. Click on the box in between the lesser than and greater than signs, to see what I mean. It was meant for pictures, and so the thumbnail feature doesn't apply to article prose very well. I've presented it even though it isn't ready, to show the direction portal development is heading. See the discussion.


I'm amazed at how rapidly portals are evolving. And we're still within a single generation of portal technological evolution. Imagine what they might be in 2 or 3 more generations of developments. Pretty soon, portals will be able to shake your hand. :)    — The Transhumanist   11:05, 16 June 2018 (UTC)