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Portals tasks requests: presented in the newsletter below...[edit]


Proposed deletion of Axestone[edit]


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Diving equipment standards[edit]

I'm so glad the equipment standard references I added to Swimfin proved welcome. I have now added others in Diving mask and I'd be happy to create articles about the swimfin, diving mask and snorkel standards that have appeared since the late 1960s. I have full-text copies of each of them and I have sufficient foreign language skills to glean the essentials from them all. I'm delighted too that my DIN 7876 swimfin standard article has been accepted. Thank you so much for giving me the opportunity to see in print here what I have come up with. Helmardine (talk) 10:50, 23 February 2019 (UTC)

Helmardine, we few who write about diving on Wikipedia are very happy to welcome anyone who produces well-written and apparently well researched material on the less known aspects, because it fills out the coverage nicely, and we all learn from it. I hope you will continue to create good content and enjoy your contributions. It is highly satisfying and at times a bit scary to realise just how high on the internet search results your contributions here will be. · · · Peter Southwood (talk): 12:20, 23 February 2019 (UTC)

Discretionary Sanctions Alert[edit]

Commons-emblem-notice.svgThis is a standard message to notify contributors about an administrative ruling in effect. It does not imply that there are any issues with your contributions to date.

You have shown interest in Complementary and Alternative Medicine. Due to past disruption in this topic area, a more stringent set of rules called discretionary sanctions is in effect. Any administrator may impose sanctions on editors who do not strictly follow Wikipedia's policies, or the page-specific restrictions, when making edits related to the topic.

For additional information, please see the guidance on discretionary sanctions and the Arbitration Committee's decision here. If you have any questions, or any doubts regarding what edits are appropriate, you are welcome to discuss them with me or any other editor.

Guy Macon (talk) 12:41, 23 February 2019 (UTC)

@Guy Macon:. Noted. · · · Peter Southwood (talk): 15:01, 23 February 2019 (UTC)

February 2019[edit]

Information icon Hello, I'm Zackmann08. Thank you for your recent contributions to Template:Marine biodiversity of South Africa. When you were adding content to the page, you added duplicate arguments to a template which can cause issues with how the template is rendered. In the future, please use the preview button before you save your edit; this helps you find these errors as they will display in red at the top of the page. Thanks! Zackmann (Talk to me/What I been doing) 18:46, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

Zackmann08. Thanks for fixing. Actually I did preview, and also had to re-edit to get rid of an ambiguous link, but I seem to have missed the warning. I am going to play around with the template a bit to see if I can find out whether there really is a problem or just me not paying attention properly, so don't worry about the next couple of changes to the template. Cheers, · · · Peter Southwood (talk): 20:02, 27 February 2019 (UTC)
Zackmann08, I did an experiment by adding a duplicate argument again and previewing, but got no warning message that I could see. Nothing red at the top of the page anyway, just the standard "This is only a preview" etc. Most strange. Anyway I am taking this all as a suggestion to knock off for the night. Cheers, · · · Peter Southwood (talk): 20:19, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

You are wrong[edit]

@Pbsouthwood: Sadly you are wrong, Portal:Tanagers was created by using List of tanager species. But any way I just found a category that I didn't know about until today. It's called Category:Portals needing attention, I think I'll use this on portals that I asked User:The Transhumanist to create for me.Catfurball (talk) 18:27, 2 March 2019 (UTC)

Catfurball, Not so sad at all, If there is a way to use the table then the portal can probably be fixed. It might just need to use an alternative template. This is better than not being able to fix it. In this case I am happy to be corrected. It seems that that specific obstacle has been surmounted. Cheers, · · · Peter Southwood (talk): 18:46, 2 March 2019 (UTC)

Portal update[edit]

@Pbsouthwood: I added Category:Portals needing attention to the following portals that I asked User:The Transhumanist to create for me. Portal:Cotingas; Portal:Hummingbirds; Portal:Plums; Portal:Tanagers; Portal:Tyrant flycatchers & Portal:Woodpeckers. I just added some new nice pictures to the Introduction section of these portals, but sadly someone will have to clean my work a little.Catfurball (talk) 19:31, 2 March 2019 (UTC)

WP:REFUND request[edit]

Hello PBS: please restore all the Portal subpages you deleted via WP:CSD G6. Since there are now assessments in process as to whether the single-page or multi-page versions are better for the encyclopedia, the only way these assessments can proceed is if the subpages are restored. Thanks in advance, UnitedStatesian (talk) 18:08, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

UnitedStatesian, I have done the ones in my personal list. There are others, and I will look them up tomorrow, assuming I have the time. If you find them first, please leave me the links as it will save some time. Many of the subpages were blanked before being listed for deletion, but anyone can revert them to the last good page. Cheers, · · · Peter Southwood (talk): 21:01, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
PS, there is another admin with username PBS, but I assumed you were referring to me as this is my talk page. · · · Peter Southwood (talk): 21:01, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
Thanks so much, and yes, I normally abbreviate usernames on usertalk discussions: seems less formal. UnitedStatesian (talk) 21:04, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
UnitedStatesian, I have been and will be busy for a while yet on fairly urgent off-wiki work. If there are more portal subpages you need restored soon, please link me to a list, as I don't currently have time to search them out. Cheers, · · · Peter Southwood (talk): 05:09, 14 March 2019 (UTC)

Heads up[edit]

Copied "Navbox builder script" thread to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Navigation templates#Navbox builder script".    — The Transhumanist   18:31, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – March 2019[edit]

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If you restore a page, it is a good idea to remove the speedy tag! And, but I admit I often forget, restore the talk page as well. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 14:56, 5 March 2019 (UTC)

Both good points. Thanks, · · · Peter Southwood (talk): 17:19, 5 March 2019 (UTC)

Transclusion in outlines[edit]

The lead entries of outlines are typically formatted the same as other entries in the outlines, annotation style, with an en-dash separating the main entry from its descriptive annotation.

Transclusion doesn't accommodate the en dash, and so, we have a formatting problem.

I've been delaying the use of transcluding leads into outlines, hoping to find or develop a solution to this. Then I got distracted by the WP:ENDPORTALS RfC. Face-smile.svg

It may seem like a minor distinction, but it may come into significance when we build an outline parser. In addition to parsing branches of the tree structure down to individual entries, such a parser would also differentiate between each topic and its description. List items are a hell of a lot easier to parse than paragraphs. The en dash differentiates where the topic ends and its description begins, and serves as a disambiguator (ambiguities plague natural language processing algorithms such as text parsers). Parsing a formal outline format is easy, but an informal format, that includes non-outline features such as natural language prose (paragraph format), is exponentially more complex, and in many cases is impossible to disambiguate with the programming resources we have available. Outline parsers are used in outline viewers and outline editors (see Outliner).    — The Transhumanist   01:04, 14 March 2019 (UTC)

The Transhumanist, It is not clear what your point is. I assume this comment is in the context of my recent use of a trancluded lead in Outline of Cape Town and the subsequent talk page discussion. Are you suggesting that there is a good practical reason not to use a transcluded lead, that there is a guidance or policy based reason not to use one, that there is local or general consensus not to use one or something else? Are you saying that the lead entries of outlines must be, should be, or just usually are formatted the same as other entries? Do you have a suggestion for the short or long-term amprovement of that outline? At present it is not even clear to everyone what can or should be included as within scope. A reasonably accurate lead section is usually a good indicator of scope. Transcluding it was easier than copying it. It does not have to be perfect, better is generally acceptable, though there are often disputes on what is better. If someone prefers to write a unique custom handcrafted lead nothing is stopping them. If a better version of transclusion template is developed that is also easy to change. I am not seeing the problem here. Cheers, · · · Peter Southwood (talk): 05:03, 14 March 2019 (UTC)
Not arguing here. Just filling in the gaps. See Wikipedia:Outlines#What an outline is not. Of course, like the rest of Wikipedia, it is a work-in-progress, and is subject to revision.
With an en dash separating outlines' lead topics from their descriptions, their annotations can be toggled (at some point in the future), along with the rest of the annotations in the outlines, so that annotated outlines can be viewed with annotations, or as bare topics lists, at the will of the user. Unfortunately, development stalled with a problem beyond my ability to program past: the screen jumps with the toggle. That is, when the toggle hides annotated text, the current list entries that the user is looking at move up (and usually off) the screen, so the user isn't looking at the same location in the page anymore. It can be rather disconcerting. I have not been able to figure out how to stabilize it, but will eventually.
Another reason for annotation format is that an outline that has a prose lead isn't entirely an outline. In that situation, only the body of the page is an outline. Outlines are lists. At some point in the future, it would be nice to have WP's outline format be able to be loaded into outliners. That won't happen with any page that isn't in a parsable (outline) format.
I'm beginning to think that putting outline development on hold for a year for the portals was a mistake. The tools would be lot further along by now.
Since you seem interested in features under development, and future technological possibilities, I thought you'd like to know. Cheers.    — The Transhumanist   06:51, 14 March 2019 (UTC)
In my opinion, a lead section/introduction is very useful to both the reader and editor of an outline, as without it there is no on-page context provided. There is no obvious reason why it cannot be ring-fenced by some code to make it easy to ignore by software. Maybe a template that calls the transclude lead excerpt and displays it in a consistent way. For exanple, if the Outline of Cape Town had a standard en dash description or annotated link, followed by a transcluded lead excerpt from the topics main article, the parser would need to be told to ignore the transclude lead excerpt content or other lead section content. I do not know how complicated that would be, but it might be possible to put in a marker if balancing opening and closing curly braces has too many loopholes. Maybe a template {{non-list content}}. Cheers, · · · Peter Southwood (talk): 08:13, 14 March 2019 (UTC)

Please comment on Wikipedia talk:Notability (people)[edit]

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Been there, have nothing to say. · · · Peter Southwood (talk): 05:26, 14 March 2019 (UTC)

NPR Newsletter No.17[edit]

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Hello Pbsouthwood,

Discussions of interest
  • Two elements of CSD G6 have been split into their own criteria: R4 for redirects in the "File:" namespace with the same name as a file or redirect at Wikimedia Commons (Discussion), and G14 for disambiguation pages which disambiguate zero pages, or have "(disambiguation)" in the title but disambiguate a single page (Discussion).
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  • A discussion recently closed with no consensus on whether to create a subject-specific notability guideline for theatrical plays.
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Wikipedia:WikiProject Portals update #030, 17 Mar 2019[edit]

Previous issue:

Single-page portals: 4,704
Total portals: 5,705

This issue:

Single-page portals: 4,562
Total portals: 5,578

The collection of portals has shrunk[edit]

All Portals closed at WP:MfD during 2019

Grouped Nominations total 127 Portals:

  1. Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/US County Portals Deleted 64 portals
  2. Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Districts of India Portals Deleted 30 Portals
  3. Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portals for Portland, Oregon neighborhoods Deleted 23 Portals
  4. Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Allen Park, Michigan Deleted 6 Portals
  5. Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Cryptocurrency Deleted 2 Portals
  6. Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:North Pole Deleted 2 Portals

Individual Nominations:

  1. Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Circles Deleted
  2. Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Fruits Deleted
  3. Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:E (mathematical constant) Deleted
  4. Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Burger King Deleted
  5. Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Cotingas Deleted
  6. Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Prostitution in Canada Deleted
  7. Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Agoura Hills, California Deleted
  8. Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Urinary system Deleted
  9. Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:You Am I Deleted
  10. Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Cannabis (2nd nomination) Reverted to non-Automated version
  11. Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Intermodal containers Deleted
  12. Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Adventure travel Deleted
  13. Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Adam Ant Deleted
  14. Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Benito Juárez, Mexico City Deleted
  15. Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Spaghetti Deleted
  16. Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Wikiatlas Deleted
  17. Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Greek alphabet Deleted
  18. Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn Deleted
  19. Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Accounting Deleted G7
  20. Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Lents, Portland, Oregon Deleted P2
  21. Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Ankaran Deleted
  22. Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Jiu-jitsu Deleted G8
  23. Portal:University of Nebraska Speedy Deleted P1/A10 exactly the same as Portal:University of Nebraska–Lincoln also created by the TTH

Related WikiProject:

  1. Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:WikiProject Quantum portals Demoted

(Attribution: Copied from Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard#Portal MfD Results)

WikiProject Quantum portals[edit]

This was a spin-off from WikiProject Portals, for the purpose of developing zero-page portals (portals generated on-the-screen at the push of a button, with no stored pages).

It has been merged back into WikiProject Portals. In the MfD the vote was "demote". See Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:WikiProject Quantum portals.

Hiatus on mass creation of Portals[edit]

At WP:VPR, mass creation of Portals using semi-automated tools has been put on hold until clearer community consensus is established.

See Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)#Hiatus on mass creation of Portals.

The Transhumanist banned from creating new portals for 3 months[edit]

See Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard#Proposal 1: Interim Topic-Ban on New Portals.

Until next issue...[edit]

Keep on keepin' on.    — The Transhumanist   03:53, 17 March 2019 (UTC)

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