Definition of Muslim ref. Islamic Schools and Branches
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Ref. the change regarding definition of Muslim reverted by you in Islamic Schools and Branches, I'll like to know the reference of your definition. As it is the matter of faith, so I'll like to hear earliest from your end. --M J Adil 16:37, 30 January 2016 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mjadil (talk • contribs)
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Ahmadiyya by Country
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Please read following links to discover that Ahmediyya is not a branch of Islam and hence they are not muslims. Moreover they are declared non muslims in the constitution of Pakistan. Do you you think that a whole country is fool to declare them as non muslims?
http://islam.stackexchange.com/questions/23296/why-do-sunni-muslims-say-that-ahmadis-are-not-muslims — Preceding unsigned comment added by A4speaker (talk • contribs) 09:21, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
@Peaceworld111: I think constitution of some country will be written after much research and debate. Following is the link of constitution of Pakistan. www.na.gov.pk/uploads/documents/1333523681_951.pdf
You can see page 155 , article 260 (3 a and b) . I am copying here In the Constitution and all enactments and other legal instruments, unless there is anything repugnant in the subject or context (a) “Muslim” means a person who believes in the unity and oneness of Almighty Allah, in the absolute and unqualified finality of the Prophethood of Muhammad (peace be upon him), the last of the prophets, and does not believe in, or recognize as a prophet or religious reformer, any person who claimed or claims to be a prophet, in any sense of the word or of any description whatsoever, after Muhammad (peace be upon him); and (b) “non-Muslim” means a person who is not a Muslim and includes a person belonging to the Christian, Hindu, Sikh, Buddhist or Parsi community, a person of the Quadiani Group or the Lahori Group who call themselves ‘Ahmadis’ or by any other name or a Bahai, and a person belonging to any of the Scheduled Castes.
Do you need any other valid and neutral reference?
- @A4speaker:Firstly, Pakistan's constitution is not a neutral source. Secondly, Wikipedia does not follow the policies of Pakistan. What Pakistani constitution says is solely the constitution of Pakistan. It has zero universal applications. Per MOS:Identity Ahmadis are Muslims anyway.--Peaceworld 10:32, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
@Peaceworld111: What about Quran? Muslims follow it 100 % and a person who says even 0.01% is wrong, he is not Muslim. Now Quran says
"O people! Muhammad has no sons among ye men, but verily, he is the Apostle of God and the last in the line of Prophets. And God is Aware of everything.
Muhammad is not the father of any of your men, but (he is) the Messenger of Allah, and the Seal of the Prophets: and Allah has full knowledge of all things. (The Holy Quran, Al-Ahzab 33:40)
Ahmedis deny this and consider Mirza Ghulam Ahmed Qadiani as last messenger of God.
Their false Prophet said in his book.
"And Allah sent down upon me the bounty of the Holy Prophet and made it perfect; and he drew towards me the kindness and generosity of the merciful Prophet, so that I became one with him. Thus, he who joins my group, joins the group of the companions (Sahaba) of my Leader, the best of messengers. It is not hidden from those who have the ability to think that this is what the words “Akhareen Menhom” (others of them) mean. The person who makes a difference between me and the Mustafa has neither seen me nor recognized me.“ Khutba-e-Ilhamiah, Roohani Khazain, Vol. 16, P. 258 – 259
If you don't consider this as evidence that they are non muslims than I think you are also Ahmadi.
- @A4speaker: Religious scriptures, when and if they pass judgement on groups of people, determine only a perspective of those people who follow it. If the Christian Bible says that all non-Christians are doomed to hell, would you really write the following in the article Muslim: "A Muslim...relates to a person who follows the religion of Islam and is doomed to hell"?--Peaceworld 20:03, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
@Peaceworld111: If I start saying something against basic christian beliefs and start preaching my version of Christianity, what will Christians do to me? will that call me christian? Will they allow me to preach my new version of christianity? As per MOS:Identity, in case of any conflict, wikipedia will use the term that is used by community. Will that be applicable in above example I quoted? A very unrealistic MOS.
- @A4speaker: Yes, many Christians will regard you as very un-Christian, but Wikipedia will not. A prime example is Mormonism. They are well regarded as non-Christian by large Christian groups, but Wikipedia has to call them a Christian movement. Next time could you sign your comments by using four tildes. Thanks.--Peaceworld 10:25, 22 June 2016 (UTC)
@Peaceworld111: I disagree with this illogical policy of wikipedia. As whole world relies on it for information, it should redefine MOS: Identity. How we can make them change this policy? Who to reach?User:A4speaker
- @A4speaker: take it to Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style. Type in
~~~~to sign your comments. --Peaceworld 10:49, 22 June 2016 (UTC)
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