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WP:RfAr related[edit]

Gun control[edit]

Hi Penwhale. User:Hypocrit submitted evidence to the gun control Arbcom case alleging that User:North8000 violated his topic ban. However, the alleged violation does not directly relate to gun control, and therefore may be ignored by the committee. Should I submit this evidence to Arbcom/enforcement? The reason I ask (rather than awaiting the outcome of the case) is that there is the possibility that I may be given an interaction ban with the accused. If that happened, I don't know whether I would be permitted to submit evidence of sanction violation on the user. Thanks! — goethean 15:20, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

  • Please actually pay attention to the correct name of the user you're talking about ^^;... But yes, if you think the violation of the TBAN is not related to the case proper, file the enforcement request. However, I would say that @Hipocrite: should know about this too. (And I have used the {{ping}} template to alert him of this conversation. - Penwhale | dance in the air and follow his steps 03:00, 26 January 2014 (UTC)

Hi, I noted you are the clerk on the Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Gun control case. What is the status of that case? I had seen a date on the main page that the "Proposed decision" would be out on 12 Feb, but I'm guessing that is merely a target? I'm not familiar with how arbitration proceedings on Wikipedia work, so any help would be appreciated. Thanks. Mvialt (talk) 16:11, 19 February 2014 (UTC)

  • It is a "target date"; remember that unlike the real world, Arbitrators are still volunteers and therefore sometimes things in the real world do get in the way. That being said, I will check up with the arbitrators and see what the status of the proposed decision is. - Penwhale | dance in the air and follow his steps 02:58, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
  • @Mvialt: For the record the arbitrators have mentioned on the workshop talk page that PD is forth coming. - Penwhale | dance in the air and follow his steps 02:30, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

AE action for Urartu TH[edit]

Hello, Penwhale. I was a party to an AE action [1], where you have closed the discussion by noting that "Urartu TH (talk · contribs) blocked by Sandstein for WP:NPA/WP:AGF issues separate from original request which was not actionable. - Penwhale".

I know that there generally exists a process by which one may appeal a block due to an Arbitration enforcement violation, but what about this type of block? As you noted, I did not violate the Arbitration decision, but rather--according to Sandstein--made remarks that violated WP:NPA/WP:AGF. I disagree with Sandstein and would like to appeal. Thank you.--Urartu TH (talk) 13:45, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

  • For the record, the fact that you are able to post here means that the block he put on you already expired (and therefore an appeal of the block is now moot). Most blocks that aren't associated with AE are generally appealed on the talk page of the blocked user while they were blocked (so in this case while you were blocked) using the {{unblock}} template. - Penwhale | dance in the air and follow his steps 15:16, 17 March 2014 (UTC)
    • Of course, I understand all that. But I believe that the block itself was an overreach and an abuse of discretion. On principle, I'd like this to be noted somehow. My concerns were ignored and without warning I was unduly blocked.--Urartu TH (talk) 21:22, 17 March 2014 (UTC)
  • Hmm. I think you should probably use WP:ANI, as I didn't really look at the request (I merely closed it since it seems like it was not going anywhere). - Penwhale | dance in the air and follow his steps 01:52, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

Gun control[edit]

Hi, I was wondering if you could ask editors to tone down the personal attacks against me.[2][3][4][5][6] Thanks! — goethean 19:22, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

Abortion RfAr question[edit]

Am I still topic-banned from abortion related articles? Haymaker (talk) 15:40, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

Thanks! Haymaker (talk) 06:39, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

Other stuff[edit]

Thank You[edit]

Thank you for your coaching on diffs. I need to learn and use that method and tool. I'll keep you examples ready. It seems I did it wrong for this time so I hope I don't make anybody mad or make more work for the arbs. If what I added gets discounted, I'll learn my lesson. I just hope the hammer doesn't fall on me. Now I'm at Arbcom.....not where I want to spend time as a "party". I think I need to go edit more mundane topics and tread very carefully here. -Justanonymous (talk) 03:48, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

  • No, it's okay. Diffs are a way of life on noticeboards, as reproducing them verbotim is not a good idea. - Penwhale | dance in the air and follow his steps 04:39, 20 January 2014 (UTC)
I think I'm onto it. With the extension, I had time to bundle some of the comments into diffs but left the more important stuff inline (not accusatory, just examples) . Got under 1,000. Thank you much! In the end, to me it's about creating the right environment to keep and tolerate bright established editors who have some eccentricities and also attract new editors...tough balance. We'll see what arbcom thinks and whether they retire me really early.-Justanonymous (talk) 00:08, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

Please look again[edit]

Hi Sir. With regard to [7]. That 19th century edit was not made by me ! that was made by a different editor, please look again [8] Slovenski Volk (talk) 00:26, 23 January 2014 (UTC)

Saturday: NYC Art And Feminism Wikipedia Editathon[edit]

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Please join Wikipedia "Art and Feminism Editathon" @ Eyebeam on Saturday February 1, 2014,
an event aimed at collaboratively expanding Wikipedia articles covering Art and Feminism, and the biographies of women artists!

There are also regional events that day in Brooklyn, Westchester County, and the Hudson Valley.
--Pharos (talk)

Upcoming Saturday events - March 1: Harlem History Editathon and March 8: NYU Law Editathon[edit]

Upcoming Saturday events - March 1: Harlem History Editathon and March 8: NYU Law Editathon
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You are invited to join upcoming Wikipedia "Editathons", where both experienced and new Wikipedia editors will collaboratively improve articles on a selected theme, on the following two Saturdays in March:

I hope to see you there! Pharos (talk)

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FYI[edit]

I hope you know that Sandstein abused a rule that allows Admins to alter bans to make it so that I can only appeal this ban once every 6 months, and get blocked if otherwise. Please consider how long I will be banned if it's not lifted now. --TheShadowCrow (talk) 20:41, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

  • This conversation is not suitable on my talk page; please stay on course on WP:AE. - Penwhale | dance in the air and follow his steps 05:30, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

Arbitration request motion passed[edit]

An Arbitration Clarification request motion passed. You contributed to the discussion (or are on the committee or a clerk)

The motion reads as follows:

  • By way of clarification, the formal warning issued by Kevin Gorman was out of process and therefore has no effect. The provisions of WP:BLPBAN will be reviewed by the Arbitration Committee and where necessary updated.

For the Arbitration Committee, --MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 23:59, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

Unbl0ckIsntReason2CuJpgord0n[edit]

Hi Penwhale,

This new user is socking with other accounts (User:Rectal corrosion and User:Cúntstructive cúntributor) and engaged in personal attacks. I am One of Many (talk) 00:57, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

Discretionary sanctions 2013 review: Draft v3[edit]

Hi. You have commented on Draft v1 or v2 in the Arbitration Committee's 2013 review of the discretionary sanctions system. I thought you'd like to know Draft v3 has now been posted to the main review page. You are very welcome to comment on it on the review talk page. Regards, AGK [•] 00:17, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

Request for comment[edit]

Hello there, a proposal regarding pre-adminship review has been raised at Village pump by Anna Frodesiak. Your comments here is very much appreciated. Many thanks. Jim Carter through MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 06:46, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

Saturday June 21: Wiki Loves Pride[edit]

Upcoming Saturday event - June 21: Wiki Loves Pride NYC
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You are invited to join us at Jefferson Market Library for "Wiki Loves Pride", hosted by New York Public Library, Metropolitan New York Library Council, Wikimedia LGBT and Wikimedia New York City, where both experienced and new Wikipedia editors will collaboratively improve articles on this theme:

11am–4pm at Jefferson Market Library.

We hope to see you there! Pharos (talk)

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Sunday July 6: WikNYC Picnic[edit]

Sunday July 6: WikNYC Picnic
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You are invited to join us the "picnic anyone can edit" in Central Park, as part of the Great American Wiknic celebrations being held across the USA. Remember it's a wiki-picnic, which means potluck.

1pm–8pm at southwest section of the Great Lawn, north of the Delacorte Theater.

Also, before the picnic, you can join in the Wikimedia NYC chapter's annual meeting.

11:30am-12:30pm at Yeoryia Studios, 2067 Broadway.

We hope to see you there!--Pharos (talk) 16:51, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

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Sunday August 17: NYC Wiki-Salon and Skill Share[edit]

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You are invited to join the the Wikimedia NYC community for our upcoming wiki-salon and knowledge-sharing workshop on the Upper West Side of Manhattan.

2pm–5pm at Yeoryia Studios at Epic Security Building, 2067 Broadway (5th floor).

Afterwards at 5pm, we'll walk to a social wiki-dinner together at a neighborhood restaurant (to be decided).

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Request for amendment closed without action[edit]

The request for amendment relating to the Race and intelligence case has been archived without action

The original discussion can be found here For the Arbitration Committee --S Philbrick(Talk) 12:23, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

WP:ANI[edit]

There is a topic at ANI that relates to Baseball Bug's topic ban that he would like addressed, thanks!. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 22:34, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

The above editor, who thinks that what I was topic-banned for a year ago is no big deal currently, alleges canvassing. I have notified a grand total of three editors who were involved in that discussion - two (including you) who implemented the ban, and one who was the subject of it. A pretty small canvass, and fairly balanced at that. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 23:09, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

I just saw your notice on my talk page. The original topic ban was based on a lie, and the current threat to block me is likewise based on a lie. I have nowhere to go with this. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 17:16, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

OK, having completed my two-week block a few days ago, I would now like your advice on how to ask for a change or dropping of the part of the topic ban that has to do with transgender. It's not something I edit about very often, or even hardly at all, but I don't like being labeled a bigot. The other part of the topic ban, about national security and such, can stay, as I am very unlikely to want to edit on that topic anyway. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 14:29, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
  • I can't figure out how to construct it. What I would really like is for the interaction bans to be lifted, as they are currently not being enforced anyway. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 22:33, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
  • You need any particular help constructing the amendment request? Look at the one I filed related to a different issue, and change the contents accordingly. - Penwhale | dance in the air and follow his steps 03:07, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

Follow-up to your AE comment[edit]

Do you have any further opinion to offer at WP:AE#WarKosign? Your last comment was August 31. I am planning to close this as no action but would hesitate if there is a net majority for a topic ban. Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 01:28, 5 September 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia[edit]

Henry, as a brand spankin' new 20-year-old administrator, you decided it would be OK to defame me at the top of each Wikipedia article concerning Waldorf Education. Have you gained any wisdom in all these years that might suggest this is something you shouldn't do to people? I understand you've been to college since then. Maybe you're a little wiser now. Maybe not. I don't think you fully realize the harm you have done here. It is literally defamation since HGilbert has posted my full name here. Do you understand where I'm going with this? I think you should remove that template. What do you think? Pete K2605:E000:24C0:E400:AC7C:8F4D:6D79:A689 (talk) 14:53, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

I suggested removing the templates a while back, which was clearly a mistake. Your continued disruption here has, if anything, only hurt your cause. a13ean (talk) 15:30, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
Disruption? I posted on the talk pages a couple of times. No disruption. You can't stand that your editors have a COI and I keep pointing it out. I think there may be a legal issue here. You can't use Wikipedia to defame people like this. I'm asking Penwhale to take care of it. Otherwise, expect more problems. 2605:E000:24C0:E400:9820:7755:25C7:7F34 (talk) 00:40, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
The presence or absence of that template isn't going to change whether or not I post on those pages to complain of COI. Why do you think it would? 2605:E000:24C0:E400:9820:7755:25C7:7F34 (talk) 00:42, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
Henry, you get that you are an individual - and I know your full name. Wikipedia may ban me (who cares), but I can still sue YOU for defaming me all these years. Just remove the template... don't be an idiot. 2605:E000:24C0:E400:9820:7755:25C7:7F34 (talk) 00:59, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
I can do anything I like. Please don't try to tell me what to do. You can ban my IP address. That's it. I don't want to edit Wikipedia - I want you to take my name off the page. You can do it nicely or I CAN TAKE YOU TO COURT AND SUE YOU AS AN INDIVIDUAL - and I'm not about to apologize to you for telling you my rights under the law. You have no power outside of Wikipedia. Do you think Wikipedia is going to provide you with legal protection. Do you still go to college? Do you still have professors? This is not about writing an article about me - it's about using a label to DEFAME me. You, Henry (and I know that's not your given name) don't have the right to do this to me. Wikipedia doesn't give you that right. You, an individual, are breaking the REAL law, not Wiki law. You guys are trying to scare me with Wiki guidelines? You're fuckin' IDIOTS. Do the right thing - stop defaming me on Wikipedia. Ban me NOW! And expect to hear from me again SOON! YOU ARE BREAKING THE LAW! You aren't so tough outside of your little world here... remember that!
Pete K, I don't know what the details are of this mess, and to be honest I don't want to know. However, if you're going to make legal threats against another editor, then you'll be blocked for as long as those threats are pending. This is your chance to explain that you chose your words poorly and that you don't actually mean to threaten legal action. Otherwise, I'll have to block you. DS (talk) 02:28, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
Backing up DS. Furthermore this is really hurting your case, which I was rather sympathetic to until this attempt to threaten Penwhale. NativeForeigner Talk 04:06, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
You'll be sorry you ignored me. 2605:E000:24C0:E400:CD2D:4485:235F:2C19 (talk) 13:12, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

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  • Pete, see this. I made a request to (a) convert your restrictions (which is basically a topic ban) into a de facto one so that (b) the restriction could be logged here rather than on Talk:Waldorf education, just as if the case is decided today. There will be a log of the restrictions somewhere - that is as much as I can do for you. - Penwhale | dance in the air and follow his steps 13:20, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
Despite all the ranting and legal threats, he does have a point that Hgilbert effectively doxed him by linking to an off-site page. To the best of my knowledge, he has never posted his own full name here (unlike HGilbert) although first name-last initial is not the greatest choice for someone wanting to stay anonymous. a13ean (talk) 17:25, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
I don't believe I have ever posted my true name on Wikipedia. Discussions around this arose through Pete K posting this. Am I not remembering something? HGilbert (talk) 16:40, 13 September 2014 (UTC)
The question, then, is for Hgilbert to tell us how he got that information. - Penwhale | dance in the air and follow his steps 19:36, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
PeteK advertised himself as the author of these edits and as the banned editor in question on a yahoo group posting, identifying me by name therein as well. All I did was refer the admins discussing possible sockpuppetry by the user in question to his own very public posting in which he doxed himself (if that is the right term). He was in fact using IP socks to circumvent the ban and provided his own evidence of this.
In other words, the information came from him, not from me. HGilbert (talk) 22:21, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
Incidentally, the user in question gave his own full name within Wikipedia on several occasions: HGilbert (talk) 15:01, 13 September 2014 (UTC)
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  • 3, diff not available to me as this is an archive of an earlier Wikiproject, and I do not know where the original project is located.
  • The edit - located through timestamp - is actually not a deleted page. This would be it. - Penwhale | dance in the air and follow his steps 15:27, 13 September 2014 (UTC)
  • I stand corrected. a13ean (talk) 22:50, 13 September 2014 (UTC)

Arbitration amendment request you submitted[edit]

Hi Penwhale, this is a courtesy notice to inform you that the motion proposed regarding Pete K has been passed by the Arbitration Committee and the amendment request has been closed and archived. For the Arbitration Committee, Callanecc (talkcontribslogs) 08:06, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

Help please[edit]

Would appreciate your input on one of your Arbcom cases at User_talk:Worm_That_Turned#I_know_you.27re_busy.2C_but_.... - Dank (push to talk) 09:04, 14 November 2014 (UTC)

  • I will assume that there is nothing for me to do at this time following Dennis' unhatting - or am I wrong on this? - Penwhale | dance in the air and follow his steps 20:47, 14 November 2014 (UTC)
    • Replying there, thanks.- Dank (push to talk) 21:09, 14 November 2014 (UTC)

GGTF proposed decision talk[edit]

Some of the behavior on that page is crossing the line from discussion into intentional goading. Perhaps a reminder from you or an arb is in order?. Sorry for raising this, and thanks in advance for looking into the matter.--Two kinds of porkMakin'Bacon 00:05, 16 November 2014 (UTC)

Thursday December 4: NYC Wiki-Salon and Skill Share[edit]

Thursday December 4: NYC Wiki-Salon and Skill Share
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You are invited to join the the Wikimedia NYC community for our upcoming wiki-salon and knowledge-sharing workshop in Manhattan's Greenwich Village.

6:30pm–8pm at Babycastles, 137 West 14th Street

Afterwards at 8pm, we'll walk to a social wiki-dinner together at a neighborhood restaurant (to be decided).

We hope to see you there!--Pharos (talk) 07:11, 27 November 2014 (UTC)

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Saturday February 7 in NYC: Black Life Matters Editathon[edit]

Saturday February 7 in NYC: Black Life Matters Editathon
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You are invited to join us at New York Public Library's Schomburg Center for Research in Black Culture for our upcoming editathon, a part of the Black WikiHistory Month campaign (which also includes events in Brooklyn and Westchester!).

12:00pm - 5:00 pm at NYPL Schomburg Center, 515 Malcolm X Boulevard (Lenox Avenue), by W 135th St

The Wikipedia training and editathon will take place in the Aaron Douglas Reading Room of the Jean Blackwell Hutson Research and Reference Division, with a reception following in the Langston Hughes lobby on the first floor of the building at 5:00pm.

We hope to see you there!--Pharos (talk) 06:03, 27 January 2015 (UTC)

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Sunday March 22: Wikipedia Day NYC Celebration and Mini-Conference[edit]

Sunday March 22: Wikipedia Day NYC 2015
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You are invited to join us at Barnard College for Wikipedia Day NYC 2015, a Wikipedia celebration and mini-conference for the project's 14th birthday. In addition to the party, the event will be a participatory unconference, with plenary panels, lightning talks, and of course open space sessions.

We also hope for the participation of our friends from the Free Culture movement and from educational and cultural institutions interested in developing free knowledge projects.

10:00pm - 9:00 pm at Barnard College, 3009 Broadway, by W 118th St

We especially encourage folks to add your 5-minute lightning talks to our roster, and otherwise join in the "open space" experience! Newcomers are very welcome! Bring your friends and colleagues! --Pharos (talk) 21:58, 9 March 2015 (UTC)

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April 29: WikiWednesday Salon and Skill-Share NYC[edit]

Wednesday April 29, 7pm: WikiWednesday Salon and Skill-Share NYC
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You are invited to join the Wikimedia NYC community for our inaugural evening "WikiWednesday" salon and knowledge-sharing workshop by 14th Street / Union Square in Manhattan.

We also hope for the participation of our friends from the Free Culture movement and from educational and cultural institutions interested in developing free knowledge projects. We will also follow up on plans for recent and upcoming editathons, and other outreach activities.

After the main meeting, pizza and refreshments and video games in the gallery!

7:00pm - 9:00 pm at Babycastles, 137 West 14th Street

Featuring a keynote talk this month on Lady Librarians & Feminist Epistemologies! We especially encourage folks to add your 5-minute lightning talks to our roster, and otherwise join in the "open space" experience! Newcomers are very welcome! Bring your friends and colleagues! --Pharos (talk) 18:28, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

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user:North8000[edit]

User was blocked indefinitely by ArbCom with an opportunity to appeal after one year.[9] It's been one year. Do you know how he would go about requesting it be lifted? You were the blocking admin. CorporateM (Talk) 19:58, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

  • I apologize for the late reply (I'm finishing up my Master's Degree!). He can e-mail ArbCom, or (as he is not currently prevented from editing his talk page) he can write up a request on his talk page requesting other editors to file it as Amendment Request. - Penwhale | dance in the air and follow his steps 04:17, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

June 10: WikiWednesday Salon / Wikimedia NYC Annual Meeting[edit]

Wednesday June 10, 7pm: WikiWednesday Salon / Wikimedia NYC Annual Meeting
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You are invited to join the Wikimedia NYC community for our next evening "WikiWednesday" salon and knowledge-sharing workshop by 14th Street / Union Square in Manhattan.

This month will also feature on our agenda: recent and upcoming editathons, the organization's Annual Meeting, and Chapter board elections.

We also hope for the participation of our friends from the Free Culture movement and from educational and cultural institutions interested in developing free knowledge projects. We will also follow up on plans for recent and upcoming editathons, and other outreach activities.

After the main meeting, pizza and refreshments and video games in the gallery!

7:00pm - 9:00 pm at Babycastles, 137 West 14th Street

Featuring a keynote talk this month to be determined! We especially encourage folks to add your 5-minute lightning talks to our roster, and otherwise join in the "open space" experience! Newcomers are very welcome! Bring your friends and colleagues! --Pharos (talk) 17:04, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

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July 8: WikiWednesday Salon and Skill-Share NYC[edit]

Wednesday July 8, 7pm: WikiWednesday Salon and Skill-Share NYC
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You are invited to join the Wikimedia NYC community for our evening "WikiWednesday" salon and knowledge-sharing workshop by 14th Street / Union Square in Manhattan.

This month will also feature on a review of past and upcoming editathons, including Black Lunch Table Editathon @ MoMA on July 13.

We also hope for the participation of our friends from the Free Culture movement and from educational and cultural institutions interested in developing free knowledge projects. We will also follow up on plans for recent and upcoming editathons, and other outreach activities.

After the main meeting, pizza and refreshments and video games in the gallery!

7:00pm - 9:00 pm at Babycastles, 137 West 14th Street

Featuring a keynote talk this month to be determined! We especially encourage folks to add your 5-minute lightning talks to our roster, and otherwise join in the "open space" experience! Newcomers are very welcome! Bring your friends and colleagues! --Pharos (talk) 05:45, 28 June 2015 (UTC)

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Closing an old thread[edit]

Thanks for going to the trouble of closing this thread at AE. It appeared that no participating admin had strong feelings, so the original discussion sagged due to lack of momentum. The only other reasonable close might have been a 'hold' where action was put off until the editor returned to activity, but this way is simpler. EdJohnston (talk) 18:57, 28 June 2015 (UTC)

Arbitration clerks[edit]

Hey, Penwhale,
I've added you as an active arbitration committee clerk. It's great timing, it looks like we will be busy. Welcome back! Liz Read! Talk! 21:48, 28 June 2015 (UTC)

Atomium image[edit]

Hi Penwhale, I believe that you wrongly, but in good faith, deleted my image Atomium 320 by 240 CCBY20 flickr Mike Cattell.jpg on grounds of 'Violation of FoP'. That would have been a correct action if I had uploaded it to Commons. In contrast, Wikipedia:Non-free content policy allows 'fair use' of copyright images. If you read the deletion discussion of the image that was previously on the article for a long time you will see that it was rightly deleted due to lack of CC license on flikr, not anything to do with FOP. 9carney (talk) 19:13, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protection for moves[edit]

Note that your protection change of Module:Dynkin didn't actually do anything. Only autoconfirmed users can move pages, whether move protection is off or set to autoconfirmed. Jackmcbarn (talk) 21:49, 4 July 2015 (UTC)

Deletion review for File:Atomium 320 by 240 CCBY20 flickr Mike Cattell.jpg[edit]

An editor has asked for a deletion review of File:Atomium 320 by 240 CCBY20 flickr Mike Cattell.jpg. Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. 9carney (talk) 20:02, 5 July 2015 (UTC)

Scope of topic ban[edit]

Hi Penwhale. I just wanted to clarify that the scope of my topic ban that is in regards to "Climate change denial" is just that, rejection of the scientific consensus on climate change and not on climate change in general? Not that I plan on returned to CC in any form, any time soon. Just curious, really. A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 12:11, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

That is what I gathered from the AE request; the topics chosen to be the scope of the TBAN was first raised by EdJohnston. (And yes, this is a ping to EdJohnston to invite comment.) - Penwhale | dance in the air and follow his steps 22:37, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
Literally the topic ban was from Anthony Watts and from climate change denial, not from all of WP:ARBCC. But in practice, it is up to the banning admin (Penwhale) exactly how to interpret it. If I had been thinking clearly at the time, I would have proposed a ban from all of ARBCC, because the boundaries are hard to draw otherwise. And the ban was only for three months anyway, expiring on September 16. EdJohnston (talk) 03:06, 16 July 2015 (UTC)
In responce to what EdJohnston said, the TBAN is as written. Regarding the CCD, it applies just like a TBAN - you can in theory edit a climate change article that isn't CCD-focused, but you would not be able to edit any section in that article that is related to CCD. - Penwhale | dance in the air and follow his steps 03:53, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

AE closing[edit]

Hi, at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement/Archive176#A_Quest_For_Knowledge I made the point that I never heard of a topic ban being reinstated for a shorter period of time, or given a narrower scope, when there is similar problematic behavior after a topic ban has been lifted.[10] Have you? I thought this deserved an answer either way. AE is pretty time-consuming for all involved, and there's an indication we'll be back there after the topic ban expires ("So we let it ride, and hope for things to cool down, and come back later. OK?").[11] Manul ~ talk 21:07, 22 July 2015 (UTC)

  • The original TBAN was completely vacated, and happened in 2012. Two other admins have mentioned that this is an acceptable sanction as DS. - Penwhale | dance in the air and follow his steps 03:00, 23 July 2015 (UTC)
The wording used is "lifted" and "vacated". I don't know what is meant by "completely vacated" (the vacating vote wasn't unanimous (if that is the meaning)). I'm not trying to corner you, I'm just not aware of any precedent. Are you? Manul ~ talk 03:17, 23 July 2015 (UTC)
What I meant was that the motion lifting TBAN does not replace it with a different sanction. In addition, a cursory look through AQFK's talk page shows no actual sanctions since the lifting of Remedy 18 until I imposed via DS a TBAN. Basically, because AQFK had successfully appealed the TBAN in the area and was not subject to any other sanctions at the time of the AE request, coupled with the lack of any active sanctions on AQFK, I believe this is appropriate. If you disagree with the sanction itself, I think you'd have to raise it at WP:ARCA, probably. AE is not the place to seek review (unless you're the sanctioned editor).
Pinging @EdJohnston: and @Gamaliel: as the two admins that proposed/agreed with the duration and scope, I'd like to hear your input on this. - Penwhale | dance in the air and follow his steps 03:39, 23 July 2015 (UTC)
I'm not looking to formally challenge the sanction; I asked because I thought it was unusual. For all I knew you might have said "Oops I missed that". Until now I wasn't aware that you issued the previous TBAN, or that you have been involved with arbcom. The "oops" falls to me. Manul ~ talk 04:03, 23 July 2015 (UTC)
I agree with User:Penwhale. EdJohnston (talk) 04:13, 23 July 2015 (UTC)
Just to clarify, AQFK was ever only under 2 TBANs as far as I know: the one directly from the CC case (Remedy 18) that was vacated, and the one I issued when I closed the AE report. The CC case one was not issued by me, but by Doug Weller; I did not clerk that case. - Penwhale | dance in the air and follow his steps 05:31, 23 July 2015 (UTC)
It does seem that this editor has a long track record of problems in this topic area, but I'm inclined to agree with this sanction as well and see what happens. A longer one can always be imposed if he immediately returns to the topic area and has the same problems. Gamaliel (talk) 15:01, 23 July 2015 (UTC)

Clarification[edit]

Curious, would it be possible for you to clarify what you mean by this? Thanks. Short Brigade Harvester Boris (talk) 12:59, 23 July 2015 (UTC)

Tillman posted on Peter's talk page inviting for email correspondence and not using the email this user function. Construed with what has been going on in the topic area... - Penwhale | dance in the air and follow his steps 17:55, 23 July 2015 (UTC)
Thanks. I don't agree with the Petes on much of anything in this topic area, either in their views or in their way of presenting them, and may submit evidence against one or both. But to be fair it's my understanding that editors are allowed to communicate with one another outside the project. Short Brigade Harvester Boris (talk) 01:26, 24 July 2015 (UTC)
Yes, you are allowed to communicate with one another outside the project, but the wording of Tillman's comment is an attempt to have off-wiki discussion in the topic area, and it is frowned upon if the cause of such discussion is to work on WP content. - Penwhale | dance in the air and follow his steps 04:12, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

Sunday August 2: WikNYC Picnic[edit]

Sunday August 2, 1-7pm: WikNYC Picnic
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You are invited to join us the "picnic anyone can edit" in Brooklyn's Prospect Park, as part of the Great American Wiknic celebrations being held across the USA. Remember it's a wiki-picnic, which means potluck.

1pm–7pm - come by any time! @ Bartel-Pritchard Square entrance (Prospect Park West and 15th St), immediately on the lawn to your left as you walk through the lovely lotus columns.
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We hope to see you there! --Pharos (talk) 03:31, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

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Mann Jess's ArbComm filings[edit]

I see some correspondence between Mann Jess and yourself, concerning the complaint she recently refiled against myself and Peter Gulutzan. As you probably know, she succeeded with her complaint against AQFK last month.

In my view, the real problem here is Mann Jess herself (presuming she is a she.). For some time, I’ve been considering filing an ArbCom complaint re Mann Jess’s editing behavior in the CC area, especially in the case of Anthony Watts (blogger) and his WUWT blog. I regard her actions there as egregious POV pushing, tendentious editing and, in general, found her impossible to deal with as a fellow-editor. She's certainly single-minded (imo). Other editors who couldn't deal with her single-minded editing included both Gulutzan and AQFK. A pattern emerges.

You should also be aware of the legal jeopardy that MJ (and others) could be putting the project under: I believe Anthony Watts was receiving legal advice, and perhaps offers of pro bono legal representation, for filing a defamation and slander lawsuit against Wikipedia's parent for the attempted labelling of Watts as a "climate change denier" by MJ and collaborating editors. Watts emphatically rejects this charge. If you like, I will look back & see if I can find the postings at Watts blog re this. I don't think he expressed any interest in actually filing a suit.

Anyway: I certainly don’t have time to compile something on her now now — I don’t really even have time to mount a refutation of her charges here, except to note that many appear to be "ruffled feathers". And I hate this sort of unproductive posturing and namecalling. Ah, well, in the soup now. Tant pis.

I see you are (to date) the only ArbComm who has commented. So: I tried to contact Gulutazn to see if he wanted to collaborate on a complaint againt MJ. He declined. That's the substance behind someone's complaint, that you commented on. Best regards, Pete Tillman (talk) 18:44, 25 July 2015 (UTC)

  • I'm only arbcom clerk, and my correspondence with Mann Jess was purely administrative (she's supposed to notify whomever she takes to AE, and she didn't, so I told her she needed to or it could be subject to automatically declination). I have not looked into the actual request itself, and note that I only commented on your post on PG's talk page (which has since been removed). For what it's worth, if you can offer evidence that Mann Jess has had issues in the area, you can offer it - AE requests can boomerang back to the filer. - Penwhale | dance in the air and follow his steps 02:30, 26 July 2015 (UTC)
Thanks. Time crunch continues -- I'll get to it when I can. Best, Pete Tillman (talk) 04:30, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

Re: Dr. Ahmed Al-qahtani page[edit]

Please put back the page you have taken down so we can add to it new links that just came available to address the issue of deletion. thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.184.66.81 (talk) 23:30, 28 July 2015 (UTC)