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Qingbai ware[edit]

Are you sure those two statues are Qingbai ware? I agree they look like it, but the descriptions are useless, and they are not categorized as it. Johnbod (talk) 00:17, 14 September 2016 (UTC)

Hi Johnbod. I assumed they were, given how they look. Although you're right that the image descriptions don't say so explicitly, just calling them "porcelain", which is rather vague. Do you think they should be removed? Pericles of AthensTalk 00:29, 14 September 2016 (UTC)
I don't know - there were of course other porcelains at the time but the tint looks like Qingbai. It ought to be possible to find out if the Beijing piece is. The other looks like it has just been dug up- or made. Johnbod (talk) 00:36, 14 September 2016 (UTC)
Hey again Johnbod. This page at Pinterest says it is a Qingbai glazed statue, although Pinterest isn't exactly a trustworthy source. Pericles of AthensTalk 01:06, 14 September 2016 (UTC)
Johnbod: I found a CCTV documentary on Youtube saying it was produced at Jingdezhen along with other white or "pale jade" porcelain pieces that were exported around the world. In other words: Qingbai wares. Pericles of AthensTalk 01:18, 14 September 2016 (UTC)
Ok, thanks. Let's give the other one the benefit of the doubt for now. Johnbod (talk) 15:27, 14 September 2016 (UTC)
I'm copying this to the article talk to preserve it. But while I'm fine with the Palace Museum one, I get more & more dubious about the other, & am likely to remove it, I think. Johnbod (talk) 02:53, 18 September 2016 (UTC)

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When s a Macedonian army not a Macedonian army?[edit]

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There is a separate article, Hellenistic armies, that covers the Diadochi-period armies. How this arose, I'm uncertain of. It does make some sense, however, as the Macedonian army of Philip and Alexander was very unlike contemporary Hellenic armies, and it was hugely successful. In contrast, he armies of the Diadochi were all very similar to each other, with some minor distinctions like the use of elephants. To treat the military of the Macedonian kingdom as a continuum, from Philip II to Perseus, would probably be misleading as all the successor states claimed a direct inheritance from the state of Alexander, and the brief metamorphosis of Macedon into a huge multi-ethnic empire is an effective political and military hiatus. This hiatus is significant enough to separate the military history of the Kingdom of Macedonia into two unequal halves. Perhaps the title of the article would be more precisely worded as "Macedonian army of Philip II and Alexander the Great", but this is too pedantic. The general reader looking for the army of ancient Macedon would be looking for that of Alexander, primarily, and those wishing to trace the later history of the Macedonian military are given pointers (links) within the article. Urselius (talk) 10:13, 30 September 2016 (UTC)

I have added mutual links and disambiguation headings to both "Ancient Macedonian army" and "Antigonid Macedonian army". Hopefully, readers will now find it a little easier to navigate and understand the relationship between the two. Urselius (talk) 13:11, 30 September 2016 (UTC)

Italians[edit]

Stop vandalizing the italian and roman articles, if you are going to make an edit provide evidence and not just assumptions. The image has been considered to be a depection of Galla Placidia for a long time, even if it has been doubted, just like almost everything in antiquity. The letters on the image of the Croce dei desideri are in Greek, this is from articles in italian you can find all around the web.

Don't accuse me of vandalism when it is you who is going against scholarly consensus. Clearly you haven't done any research into the topic of the Brescia medallion. I will be reverting your edits with full citations shortly, from a number of old and recent sources. Basically, your 18th-century theory has been long overturned, yet you still cling to it somehow. You should also back up your assertions with SOURCES. Reliable ones at that. Pericles of AthensTalk 22:26, 1 October 2016 (UTC)
One book is not scholarly consensus. everything on the subject says it has been doubted. Due to the fact that it has been I suggest you remove this.
This is from the museum of Brescia where the cross is http://www.bresciamusei.com/nsantagiulia.asp?nm=14&t=Croce The relevant section reads: "una donna aristocratica attorniata dai due figli, che l’interpretazione leggendaria identifica in Galla Placidia ovvero nella regina Ansa, fondatrice di Santa Giulia, con i figli Adelchi e Anselperga. Suggestive le ipotesi formulate attorno all’iscrizione in greco rintracciabile nella decorazione, BOYNNEPI KEPAMI, ritenuta inizialmente la firma dell’autore, ma secondo studi più recenti riconducibile al nome del pater familias del nucleo ritratto." "An aristocratic woman flanked by her children, the legendary interpretation identifies as Galla Placidia...or the Queen Ansa, founder of Santa Giulia, with her two children Adelchi and Anselperga. The greek inscription found in the decoration, BOYNNEPI KEPAMI, was first considered the signature of the author, but after additional recent studies it has been it is probablythe name of the pater familias of the family nucleus portrayed." Walnut77 (talk) 22:50, 1 October 2016 (UTC)
LOL! Thank you for proving my point! It specfically says the "legendary" interpretation there, and says nothing about scholarly consensus. Meanwhile, I have sources sucha s Beckwith (1979), Boardman (1993), Grig (2004), and others who all support the theory that it simply represents an Egyptian family in Roman Egypt. Even the Greek inscription "ΒΟΥΝΝΕΡΙ ΚΕΡΑΜΙ" proves that it is from Egypt since it uses a Greek dialect of Egypt (see Breck 1927: 353). You have no legs to stand on in this argument. Pericles of AthensTalk 22:55, 1 October 2016 (UTC)
I think the Brescia Museum, the museum that houses the cross is a pretty strong leg to stand on. I suggest you edit the caption to what it has been considred to be. You have not proven consensus on this. The museum itself proves you wrong! Walnut77 (talk) 23:06, 1 October 2016 (UTC)
You don't understand what the museum is saying. No one has thought the family were anything to do with either Galla Placidia or Queen Ansa for over a century. The museum describes the glass as "del III secolo d.C.", ie 200-300 AD. Galla Placidia is a 5th century person, born in 388 AD. Ansa, Queen of the Lombards is from the 8th century. If BOYNNEPI KEPAMI relates to a paterfamilias, that has no connection with either of them. You have absolutely no references on your side, and are just making a fool of yourself. Johnbod (talk) 14:59, 2 October 2016 (UTC)
I understand perfectly what the museum says. I speak Italian, maybe you should learn it. It says exactly that. It's traditionally identified as these two people. If you need clarification you can ask the museum directly, they are the ones that wrote this. The second part which talks about the inscription in greek, says there are "hypotheses", it has initially been considered to be the signature of the author of the medallion, which is exactly what most sources suggest and how this has been interpreted for most of its existence, one of the authors you mention notes this as well, here it says the inscription in Alexandrian Greek is commonly found in these medallions http://sro.sussex.ac.uk/6351/1/Howells,_Daniel_Thomas.pdf: "Although not present on the British Museum piece, short inscriptions do sometimes occur in association with portraits on genuine brushed technique medallions. In instances where they have been recorded, they are exclusively produced in Greek inthe Alexandrian dialect of Egypt (Crum, in Breck 1926/1927, p. 353). These inscriptions sometimes take the form of prominent assertions of skill or virtue (e.g. Glass of the Caesars1987, no. 153). However, shorter less prominent inscriptions are apparently more common. The inscription BOYNNEPI KEPAMI on the Brescia medallion depicting an adult female and two youths, possibly a mother and her two children, was interpreted by Albizzati as referring to the ‘father of the family’, who, it should be noted, is missing from the scene (Albizzati 1914, p. 253). Morey, however, states that the small inscription is the signature of the artist, and that KEPAMI, or ‘potter’, may just as well denote a glass-worker(Morey 1942, p. 216; Glass of the Caesars 1987, p. 265). " Clearly, these academics are exposing possible theories so I'm not sure how you came to the conclusion that this has been completely disproved by all academia when they are simply theories, also if it was so proven, then the museum would have clearly mentioned your theory as truth, which it doesn't. The change I made to the caption shows these two sides so I think you should revert it. Walnut77 (talk) 17:39, 2 October 2016 (UTC)
Walnut77: and why on earth would Ansa, Queen of the Lombards have a medallion made in the 8th century using an Alexandrian Greek dialect from the 3rd century? Do you not see how incongruent that is? Besides, Johnbod makes an even better point than I did, by relating how your own source, the Brescia Museum webpage on the medallion, specifically dates this artwork to around the 3rd century AD! Neither Galla Placidia nor Ansa were alive then; the medallion predates them significantly according to your own source (to say nothing of the sheer litany of scholarly sources that have deduced that this gold glass artefact is Egyptian in origin). And if you speak Italian, surely you understand the phrase "pater familias". Why not mention that when citing your source? Are you deliberately misrepresenting your source by omitting these assertions from the Brescia Museum page? All you're doing is repeating the claim that your source specifically calls a "legendary" one (i.e. a popular belief outside the realm of scientific inquiry). Pericles of AthensTalk 18:14, 3 October 2016 (UTC)

Your request for arbitration[edit]

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Sogdia[edit]

Hello:

The copy edit that you requested from the Guild of Copy Editors of the article Sogdia has been completed.

I have not done work on the citation formats as I believe that there has to be consensus (how one does this I have no idea!) before they are changed and this does not fall under the purview of the GOCE. At a quick glance the issue seems to be repetitive complete citations for various pages from a single text. Citation #6 is "correct" while #s 78-82 are "incorrect". If I were you, I would just go ahead and fix them since you've done the lion's share of the work over the past few months. This may help: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citing_sources#WP:CITESHORT

Please let me know if you have any questions or concerns.

Kind regards,

Twofingered Typist (talk) 13:47, 6 October 2016 (UTC)

Precious anniversary[edit]

Four years ago ...
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Thank you for today's Sino-Roman relations "about the largely indirect relations between the Roman Empire (and its medieval incarnation, the Eastern Roman Empire) and the Han dynasty of China, followed by relations with subsequent Chinese dynasties. It contains information about ancient authors from both the Roman and Han Chinese realms and in some cases their attempts to understand the geography, history, culture, society, and governments of the respective empires on opposite ends of the Eurasian continent. The major focus, however, is on the poorly understood diplomatic missions that occurred between these two empires, as well as the trade activity that occurred between them via the Indian Ocean."! Impressive! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:22, 18 April 2017 (UTC)

Capitoline Museum's Mars ("Pyrrhus")[edit]

The current Museo page describes it as a likely 2nd century copy! Of an Augustan original! Based on a much, much earlier work! Great. Have a gander... [1] Haploidavey (talk) 12:37, 8 October 2016 (UTC)

Museum captions, eh? Just read through your debating on a certain other museum's caption. Hair-raising stuff. Haploidavey (talk) 12:46, 8 October 2016 (UTC)

Salve, Senator Haploidavey! Thanks for pointing that out about the Mars statue from the Forum of Nerva. Before you alerted me about this, I had just discovered the Capitoline museum page for it. I was planning on editing the Mars (mythology) article accordingly. Feel free to do so yourself, though! Just make sure to cite the museum page so nobody tries to revert you, thinking that you're just making this stuff up for kicks and wry amusement! Lol. Pericles of AthensTalk 12:57, 8 October 2016 (UTC)
Legendary stuff at Commons, ahoy. Yeee-har! Haploidavey (talk) 13:14, 8 October 2016 (UTC)

Looking for gaps in knowledge[edit]

Hi there Pericles. Sports history in the American south is more the kind of thing where I know enough to add to an encyclopedia, though I'd own several more books on Ancient Greek philosophy and art/archaeology. Did a little to clean up and expand both Miltiades the Younger and Minoan Civilization, and to combine the two areas of wikipedia-interest I had to make Aristonicus of Carystus. Any areas which could use help from a dilettante? Cheers. Cake (talk) 17:22, 8 October 2016 (UTC)

Hi User:MisterCake! Excellent work thus far; I felt compelled to send a thank you for creating the article Aristonicus of Carystus. Unfortunately, my area of expertise does not lie in ancient Greco-Roman sports, even if I've exhibited an interest in that topic in the past. If I see something about this topic in need of attention, I'll be sure to address it. I'm afraid the best I could do, without a bunch of academic sources at hand, would be to help out by finding useful images at Wikimedia Commons. Cheers and all the best. Pericles of AthensTalk 19:58, 8 October 2016 (UTC)
  • I saw despite the name you have a wealth of interest in Egypt and the East, but still felt compelled to ask. I do not mean to ask only about ancient Greek athletics. If ancient Greek music, mathematics, philosophy, pottery, sculpture, painting, etc. could use help from a non-scholar, I would like to help, but was hoping one more familiar with it could say what (if any) needs it the most. For sports, the recent success of Michael Phelps in the Olympics saw an increased interest in Leonidas of Rhodes. Only then did I notice wikipedia did not have the second-greatest ancient olympian in the navbox, a trumpeter. Cake (talk) 20:12, 8 October 2016 (UTC)
A Greek glass amphora, 2nd half of the 2nd century BC, from Olbia, Roman-era Sardinia, now in the Altes Museum
That's a very good question, Cake. Lately I've been obsessing over Greek and Roman sculptures and frescos, finding appropriate articles for such images. I've greatly expanded the imagery in Roman sculpture and Hellenistic art, for instance. I've been devoting most of my time lately to improving the articles for Europeans in Medieval China, Sino-Roman relations, and Sogdia, all of which I've recently nominated for GA status. If I had to really name an article that I thought could use a bit more attention (as a result of my research into these greater topics), it would probably be something like Theophylact Simocatta or even Geography (Ptolemy). I was shocked at how cursory the historical information in Religion in Germany looked and provided those first two sub-sections that you see now about the earliest periods. The same goes for History of Germany and its almost complete lack of information on the Roman period there, which I've remedied somewhat. Pericles of AthensTalk 20:38, 8 October 2016 (UTC)
If only for which side piques my interest I tend to separate the Greek and Roman like Winckelmann or Spengler. For my taste, give me Aristotle (or Alexander really, or Demosthenes to be fancy) and before. Not quite at Nietzsche's level where I only appreciate the pre-Socratics, but try to feel his enthusiasm for them. As for Hellenistic art, I would think Laocoön - which I've never heard pronounced, is the image to go with at the top. The Apollo Belvedere of late antiquity (boo hiss) for the interest it drew. Surely the Venus de Milo has even more captured the popular imagination than the Nike of Samothrace (nigh key of s-ammo thrace? oh, no, knee kay of s-ammo thraw key). In short, I would rank them as the article's text does, despite the dress of Nike being more pleasing to my taste than any of the above. Cake (talk) 20:53, 8 October 2016 (UTC)
The trouble is that Laocoön is almost certainly made some 200 years after the end of Hellenistic art proper, and done for a Roman patron. Johnbod (talk) 21:01, 8 October 2016 (UTC)
Indeed. As a compromise in Hellenistic art, I've made a double image in the lead that includes both the Winged Victory of Samothrace and the Venus de Milo. Fans of both shall now be satiated. In the gallery section, I've also added this lovely glass amphora which you can see to the right. Pericles of AthensTalk 21:33, 8 October 2016 (UTC)
I see. Very neat. I am ashamed to say I only recently understood that the slip was used as paint. So is it Lau-co-on, rhymes with Now go on? The umlaut telling me I have to sound the a and o together but the last two vowels separately? Cake (talk) 21:56, 8 October 2016 (UTC)
That's how I thought it was pronounced, at least. ;) Two great minds think alike! Pericles of AthensTalk 22:00, 8 October 2016 (UTC)

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A pity the Berlin Painter doesn't have an image of the kithara player around the time of Marathon, in the Met. Cake (talk) 19:22, 9 October 2016 (UTC)
This one. It's the focus of the room it's in, as it should be. Love all the movement/curves/diagonals. Cake (talk) 21:43, 13 October 2016 (UTC)
Cake: Yep, definitely the pinnacle of late Archaic period ceramic art. For lack of a better word, it's a classic. Pericles of AthensTalk 00:32, 14 October 2016 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Sogdia[edit]

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@Iazyges: awesome! Thanks for giving it your attention. I had a guild of copyeditors guy give it a run-through, so it should be fairly polished by now. I'm sure you'll find things needing to be corrected, though! I can't wait for your input. Cheers. Pericles of AthensTalk 22:42, 9 October 2016 (UTC)

Roman war elephants[edit]

Hey, its me (again again), I noticed you have done some work on War elephants, I am planning to at some point split off the roman section into its own article and expand it, would you be interested in helping? Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 19:58, 10 October 2016 (UTC)

Iazyges: I'm interested in the topic, yet unfortunately I don't know enough about war elephants to really contribute to an entirely new article for Roman war elephants. I'm afraid that I don't have any sources that specifically cover this topic, either. Best of luck, though! At the least I'll try to find some images at Commons that could be useful for you. Pericles of AthensTalk 00:24, 11 October 2016 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Sogdia[edit]

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Awesome! Thanks for the review, Iazyges! Pericles of AthensTalk 02:32, 11 October 2016 (UTC)

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Thank you very much for improving Sogdia and bringing it to GA status! Well done! Sogdians were almost forgotten in history of Greater Iran, but you revived them, much appreciated! Kouhi (talk) 18:53, 11 October 2016 (UTC)
You're very welcome, Kouhi (it was the least I could do for the Sogdians). Thanks for the barnstar! Pericles of AthensTalk 19:27, 11 October 2016 (UTC)

Dahuting Tomb murals[edit]

Hi!

First of all, I think I remember you sending me your email address some time ago???? But I can't find it. If so, would you mind sending it to me again at: wynhill2@bigpond.net.au ? It would help me if I want to put you in touch with people who might not want their particulars made public here.

I just wrote to friend (a renowned professor of Chinese Language and Literature) who is very interested in the photos you posted and I asked him what he thought about the photo showing the woman holding the glass(?) vessel. Here is the brief preliminary note I just received back from him:

"Dear John,

These are wonderful! May I share them through the Xi circulars and with a few other specialist colleagues?

I have an idea about the vessel in the second photo and also something very exciting about one of the other photos.

Will get back to you on this after I check some things.

best, . . . ."

Please let me know if you are happy for him to use any of the photos this way. Also, is there any way of obtaining higher resolution copies?

I will certainly let you know what he says when he writes.

So, thanks so much again - look forward to hearing from you when you can spare the time. Cheers! John Hill (talk) 23:52, 11 October 2016 (UTC)

A follow up[edit]

Hi again!
I had just saved the above and checked my mail again to find another note from my friend. Here is what he writes:
"Dear John,
At this stage I don't need higher resolution photographs.
I am very grateful for the opportunity to share these wonderful images with colleagues.
Will get back to you as soon as I can about what I think may be a very significant discovery based on these images.
best, . . . "
He sure has me fascinated now! Will let you know the next installment when it comes in. Take care John Hill (talk) 23:57, 11 October 2016 (UTC)

Europeans in Medieval China[edit]

Would you like me to review Europeans in Medieval China? If so I'll do it tomorrow, as i'm going to sleep soon. Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 03:36, 12 October 2016 (UTC)

Iazyges: I was actually hoping a Wikipedia guild-of-copyeditors guy would do a sweep of that article first, like they did for Sogdia before you reviewed it. Perhaps we should wait on that until one of their team members thoroughly copyedits that article (as I've requested via the article's talk page). Cheers. Pericles of AthensTalk 03:49, 12 October 2016 (UTC)
Hey, it looks like you've done some serious work on it, [2], are you still waiting for the GOCE guys or do you think its good to go? Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 04:46, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

Reply for "Western Han tomb frescos from Xi'an"[edit]

I'm very glad that you enjoy them, I'll keep uploading whenever I discover more. I've seen the link that you shared with Tahut'ing murals, it's very nice. I'm going to upload more pictures of the wonderful motifs from there. Actually I'm a beginner on Wikipedia, I saw you've already done a number of great works here, really appreciate it! By the way, Sogdians are very interesting, they are like a bridge between East and West, really curious. Uriel WangTalk 21:57, 14 October 2016 (UTC)

Dahuting murals[edit]

Just to let you know that your good work hasn't been forgotten. I am still working on the Dahuting murals - and so are a number of other people - but mostly through a flurry of emails. Much of it is by specialists in early Chinese history some of whom are not used to working on Wikipedia. Also, I have found some higher resolution photos by Prof. Gary Lee Todd on Flickr that should help people interpret some of the interesting details in the murals. He has posted more than 137,000 photos(!!!) on Flickr - many of them on Asian subjects - and many of them truly outstanding. And because they are on Flikr, I believe they should all be able to be uploaded to WP. Do you know if this is so? He is a professor living in China. You can find his photos of the Dahuting murals (along with some by other people) by checking this page: https://www.flickr.com/search/?text=Dahuting but, it seems you have to be log into Flikr first. I don't want to try to deal with the many speculations by other people about the murals on Wikipedia - I don't think it is the place for it - but would be happy to discuss some of them with you by email. If you would like to do this, please do email me at: wynhill2@bigpond.net.au Finally, I would like to take this opportunity to thank you so very much once again for bringing these fascinating murals to my attention. It has begun a wonderful exchange of ideas which I hope will lead to new discoveries. All best wishes, John Hill (talk) 20:37, 16 October 2016 (UTC)

Blondes[edit]

What do you think is the hair color for the Ludovisi Gaul? In some images it looks lighter than others. Cake (talk) 10:31, 17 October 2016 (UTC)

Cake: the figures of the Ludovisi Gaul group are most certainly blonds, both the man and his wife (not much of a surprise, they're Galatians after all). The pigments are still very clear in my opinion. It's hardly the only Roman statue with that particular hue of blond either. Take for instance several statues of Hadrian's partner Antinous, the Crimean client king Tiberius Julius Sauromates II, or various polychrome marble statues depicting Bacchus/Dionysos. Lucius Verus and Commodus were depicted with similar blond hair in their surviving polychrome statues because, according to Roman historians, they were natural blonds. Pericles of AthensTalk 10:51, 17 October 2016 (UTC)
Interesting - thought they looked awfully blond in Pedley's book. From now will think of the Dying Gaul as a cross between Alexander and Burt Reynolds. I wonder how to reconcile the date of the paintings at Vergina or the Derveni Krater with the dates deemed "Hellenistic". Cake (talk) 11:10, 17 October 2016 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Asia/The 10,000 Challenge [edit]

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Vase painting[edit]

Mind if I list sources here I found helpful? Perhaps you can better sort their claims between pottery and painting.

Attic Vase Painting during the Persian Wars by T. B. L. Webster
Douris and the Painters of Greek Vases by Edmond Pottier
Why did Athenian Pots Appeal to the Etruscans by Robin Osborne
I don't see J. V. Noble's Techniques of Painted Attic Pottery anywhere online. Cake (talk) 12:52, 20 October 2016 (UTC)
Cake: I don't mind at all! Please do. Unfortunately I can't do anything about this today, but I can certainly help you with these in the very near future. Cheers. Pericles of AthensTalk 13:12, 20 October 2016 (UTC)
Take your time. Pottier seems a fan of Damon. I guess it's Dahmon like Dominoes? Would say daimon if Socrates did not use that all the time. Cake (talk) 21:26, 20 October 2016 (UTC)

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Yuezhi=Massagetae[edit]

Hello,

I have posted on the talk page of article Yuezhi some arguments why I think that Yuezhi are the same people as Massagetae and my opinion that this information should be on the article. Can you review them and what is your opinion? Thank you. --Sabir Hun (talk) 15:28, 30 October 2016 (UTC)

Iazyges[edit]

@PericlesofAthens: Hello again friend, how have you been? I have recently performed a massive restructuring of my namesake article, Iazyges, a tribe of Sarmatians. You've got experience with GA so I thought I would ask you, what do you think I would need to do/add for it to be GA material? Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 04:33, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

User:Iazyges: Oh, you know, all the obvious stuff. You need citations for statements that do not yet have citations, like in the name section. You also have sections for the 4th and 5th centuries that don't have any text. Perhaps you should hide those sections until you flesh them out. Or perhaps you should wait on nominating it for GA status until those sections are completed fully with citations. Pericles of AthensTalk 23:23, 3 November 2016 (UTC)

Europe 10,000 Challenge invite[edit]

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Sino-Roman relations[edit]

First, this article is an extremely fascinating one, and I'd like to help improve it. But I'm not sure how to comply with WP:LEADSENTENCE. This article has unclear boundaries so I’m puzzled what exactly the precise topic is, and what is an example of an RS that discusses it, exactly. ‘Through the Jade Gate’ deals with Han-Roman relations exclusively and is self published and doesn’t seem to have been reviewed by academics. None of McLaughlin’s books has this precise topic. Henry Yule and Hirth are over a century old. McLaughlin even sadly notes the lack of academic attention to this niche here. This isn’t to say that these aren’t great, first class scholarly books and this isn’t an utterly fascinating topic that has been neglected. NPalgan2 (talk) 11:48, 7 December 2016 (UTC)

NPalgan2: I've rewritten the very first sentence just in case the scope of the article wasn't exactly clear from reading the lead section as a whole. Various articles and books about either Rome or China mention their relations in passing, but as for specific works that focus solely on this subject in addition to Hirth and Yule, I have also cited Bang (2009), Christopoulos (2012), Dubs (1941), Hill (2003), McLaughlin (2010), Pulleyblank (1999), Scheidel (2009), and Thorley (1971). Again, that doesn't even account for the various other works I've cited that treat this topic at some length in larger works focusing primarily on a related topic. For instance, Warwick Ball (2016) provides an excellent assessment of Sino-Roman trade relations, even though his book focuses on the grander, more general topic of Roman relations with Eastern powers spanning from India to Persia. What exactly are you trying to suggest, though? That the article shouldn't exist? I'm trying to wrap my head around your exact intentions here and I don't know precisely what you're trying to suggest, aside from rewriting the introductory sentence. Pericles of AthensTalk 17:34, 7 December 2016 (UTC)

Best wishes for the holidays...[edit]

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Season's Greetings
Wishing you and yours a Happy Holiday Season, and all best wishes for the New Year! Adoration of the Kings (Gerard David, London) is my Wiki-Christmas card to all for this year. Johnbod (talk) 10:26, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
Johnbod: Thank you kindly, good sir! And happy holidays to you as well. Try not to drink too much alcoholic eggnog. :D Best wishes! Pericles of AthensTalk 16:02, 19 December 2016 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Sino-Roman relations[edit]

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That was well done! And may you have a happy new year. Haploidavey (talk) 14:43, 31 December 2016 (UTC)
Haploidavey: thank you and a Happy New Year to you as well! All the best, Pericles of AthensTalk 14:46, 31 December 2016 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Europeans in Medieval China[edit]

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Pinging[edit]

Hi! I saw you tried to "ping" me and some other editors at Talk:Macedonia (ancient kingdom). That "ping" did not work, because the [[User:Xxx]] has to be saved in the same edit as you are signing the post. If you want to make a "ping" as an afterthought, like you did, you will have to make a new signature. Regards! --T*U (talk) 19:20, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Europeans in Medieval China[edit]

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I have an article of my own up for GA nomination now: Encyclopedism. 10W40 (talk) 12:20, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
@10W40 (talk): excellent work! It looks very well written. I like the use of imagery as well. I wish you all the best in getting it passed. Cheers. Pericles of AthensTalk 15:12, 19 January 2017 (UTC)

Regions of ancient Greece[edit]

Hi Pericles of Athens! I would be very pleased if you could help me with the clean up of the article 'Regions of ancient Greece' and my attempt to make it a good and easily-readable article in the wiki. If you can please let me know. Thank you! NickTheRipper (talk) 21:15, 17 January 2017 (UTC)

Hi Nick. I'm sorry to say that I can't commit to anything big, partially because my sights are currently set on improving Macedonia (ancient kingdom), but mostly because I have a woeful knowledge about ancient Greek geography, let alone the key secondary sources to consult on the matter. Fleshing out the article you have here also looks like a daunting task given all the sub-sections that do not yet have any text. More importantly, it's bad enough what I'm doing with the Macedonia article. I shouldn't even be editing Wikipedia anymore, given the responsibilities I have in my personal life! Lol. I wish you all the best and hopefully, if I have time, I'll make a few edits to the article. Pericles of AthensTalk 21:26, 17 January 2017 (UTC)

Ok dude, I knew you had a great task improving Kindom of Macedonia article so I wish you the best! NickTheRipper (talk) 21:37, 17 January 2017 (UTC)

The Original Barnstar for you![edit]

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Your contributions and hard work on Macedonia (ancient kingdom) is appreciated! SILENTRESIDENT 22:52, 18 January 2017 (UTC)
@SILENTRESIDENT: thank you very much! It's an honor to improve the page, especially since it is such an important article and yet so neglected. Pericles of AthensTalk 23:05, 18 January 2017 (UTC)

A small token of appreciation[edit]

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For much-needed and excellent work on the articles around ancient Macedonia; instead of getting bogged down in the dispute over semantics like everybody else, you went ahead and transformed the articles beyond recognition. Kudos and again kudos! Constantine 15:46, 5 February 2017 (UTC)
@Constantine: thank you kindly! It is my pleasure to improve such critical articles on history that have been surprisingly neglected. Pericles of AthensTalk 17:53, 5 February 2017 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Macedonia (ancient kingdom)[edit]

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Gratefulness + question[edit]

Hello PoA, First of all, I just wanted to let you know; amazing work on the Macedonia (ancient kingdom) article. Splendid, for real! - LouisAragon (talk) 23:47, 16 February 2017 (UTC)

Btw, I noticed that you have done excellent work on numerous other key history articles of antiquity, such as the Parthian Empire and Sogdia. Based on this, I was wondering whether you'd perhaps be willing to develop any of these two articles; the Achaemenid Empire and/or the Kingdom of Pontus. Especially the Achaemenid Empire is in what I would describe as a rather poor state, despite being of such enormous historical significance. I was thinking about expanding both articles myself, but I had to come the conclusion that my own in-depth knowledge about these periods of antiquity (I'm fine with late antiquity) has simply withered too much after all these years. Anyhow, looking forward to your response! All the best, - LouisAragon (talk) 23:47, 16 February 2017 (UTC)
His LouisAragon! I'd like to significantly rewrite the article on the Achaemenid Empire, for sure, but that's a huge project. It would take a while. At the very least I could try to improve the article. I was actually hoping on improving the article on the Sasanian Empire first. Both of them need a lot of work, to be honest. It was fun writing the Parthian Empire article, but unfortunately I don't own most of the sources that I used for it. Even then most of them wouldn't be useful for writing the Achaemenid article. You can expect me to improve that article, but don't have incredibly high hopes to see any major improvements in the near future. I'm juggling two Good article nominations and a Featured article nomination at the moment. When those are done my energies can be focused elsewhere. Cheers! Pericles of AthensTalk 00:55, 17 February 2017 (UTC)

tall/taper[edit]

"Tall" is an adjective, and "taper" is a noun, and they are not synonyms. More explanation is needed as to why the same word means both of these. ---Ehrenkater (talk) 22:02, 20 February 2017 (UTC)

@Ehrenkater: Yeah, about that. Since you seem to think it is highly problematic, I don't think a lengthy explanation of a single word is going to be necessary. It's best just to remove it if you consider it to be that unclear to the average reader. Feel free to bring up anything else, but in the meantime the word "taper" has been removed. Pericles of AthensTalk 23:13, 20 February 2017 (UTC)

That's fine. (I'm just a bit curious now about what the lexicon entry actually means.) ---Ehrenkater (talk) 16:28, 21 February 2017 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Macedonia (ancient kingdom)[edit]

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That's excellent news! Thank you. I'll be sure to nominate it for a DYK. Pericles of AthensTalk 23:03, 20 February 2017 (UTC)

Proper placement of DYK nominations of GA articles[edit]

PericlesofAthens, I've just moved your DYK nomination of Macedonia (ancient kingdom) so it's now listed under February 20, the date it was listed as a GA. Whenever you nominate a DYK, it should go into the appropriate date in the "Current nominations" section; that date is the date it was approved as a GA, or if it isn't a GA, then the date the article first appeared in mainspace (if new) or when the 5x expansion began. I thought you'd want to know for any future nominations you may be making. Thanks! BlueMoonset (talk) 00:20, 21 February 2017 (UTC)

Nice image choice. Hope to see Pericles' expertise on the ancient greek pottery or Minoan civilization articles one day. Cake (talk) 14:28, 21 February 2017 (UTC)
@MisterCake:: Thanks! And perhaps one day I will tackle those articles, although I've already promised someone else that I'd help to rewrite the articles on either the Achaemenid Empire of the Sasanian Empire, given my work on the article for the Parthian Empire.Pericles of AthensTalk 14:33, 21 February 2017 (UTC)
Take your time, of course. The Achaemenid Empire article in particular looks pretty good to me. Would you know anything additional about Peritas? There's so much on his horse but not so much his dog. Cake (talk) 00:29, 22 February 2017 (UTC)
Nope, I'm afraid I don't know much about his dog. Seems interesting, though. Yeah, to be honest, it's the Sasanian Empire one that needs a bit of a rewrite. The Achaemenid article only needs touching up here and there, plus a good amount of additional citations. Pericles of AthensTalk 00:34, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

This Barnstar is for you![edit]

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You have proven to be an editor who is extremely skilled and eloquent in their arguments, even on heated situations! SILENTRESIDENT 16:15, 21 February 2017 (UTC)

You came at a point where there was a counterproductive and heated atmosphere at the talk page of Ancient Macedonia, and yet, thanks to your eloquent skills, this was turned into a momentum which transformed the poor article into a Good Article! Congrats! -- SILENTRESIDENT 16:15, 21 February 2017 (UTC)

@SilentResident:: thank you very much! This was very thoughtful. I hope one day, if it is deemed stable enough, that I will be able to nominate it for Featured Article status. The edit warring back in January, however, is a scar on the present article that must be given time to heal, I'm afraid. In either case thanks for this and for helping to review the article during the GA process. It is now better because of it! Cheers. Pericles of AthensTalk 18:04, 21 February 2017 (UTC)
I agree. I am ashamed that my lack of patience with certain editors did not help prevent the scar from ever being there in the first place. What we can do from now and on is to safeguard your edits and additions to the page. I hold the faith that everyone who has participated in the talk page, agrees that the article must be protected at all costs. It is our duty to the readers and visitors to Wikipedia to provide them with good articles and keep their quality as best as possible and protect it. Have a good day. -- SILENTRESIDENT 23:53, 21 February 2017 (UTC)

DYK for Macedonia (ancient kingdom)[edit]

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A barnstar for you![edit]

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For transforming Macedonia (ancient kingdom) from a chronically disputed article into a GA-class article, it is my pleasure to award you this editor's barnstar in recognition of carrying out this Herculean task. Way to go Pericles. Dr. K. 00:46, 3 March 2017 (UTC)
@Dr.K.: thanks! That was a very thoughtful thing to say. Cheers. Pericles of AthensTalk 03:27, 3 March 2017 (UTC)
You are very welcome Pericles. I had lost all hope for that article given its history of conflict. In fact, once, I saved it from becoming a redirect. It seems quite improbable to me seeing it become a GA. Dr. K. 04:43, 3 March 2017 (UTC)
Lol. Wow. That's pretty surreal given the current state of the article. I also find it astonishing, looking at the page as it existed in 2014 when you edited it, how similar it was back then to how it looked just two months ago (i.e. as of early January 2017). I took a few peeks at how the article looked going back to 2010, 2008, 2004 even, and it doesn't seem to have changed much in the past ten years. I was actually quite surprised by this, seeing how the article for Alexander the Great has been given so much attention, let alone articles like the Roman Empire. Sadly, relatively very few editors have bothered to spruce up the article on Philip II of Macedon. Pericles of AthensTalk 05:13, 3 March 2017 (UTC)
While we disagreed on a couple of details, the job you did was Herculean to say the least. (Heracles was definitely Greek.) This is a well-deserved Barn Star. --Taivo (talk) 11:28, 3 March 2017 (UTC)
@TaivoLinguist: thanks! Pericles of AthensTalk 20:29, 3 March 2017 (UTC)
I am very happy for you. You are an asset to the Wiki community. -- SILENTRESIDENT 12:44, 4 March 2017 (UTC)

I came here to give you a barnstar, but you just got one. Anyway, you're doing great work on them Macedonia articles. Psychotic Spartan 123 09:22, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

Typo at Macedonia (ancient kingdom)[edit]

Oh, right, we all have those death dates of prominent Macedonians memorized and should have noticed that "typo" a long time ago. LOL. There's only one Macedonian ruler's death that even 1% of readers could place within its correct decade. And it wasn't either Antigonus or Demetrius (although his name did start with an "A"). --Taivo (talk) 11:26, 3 March 2017 (UTC)

I was speaking rhetorically, talking to myself in my own edit summary, basically, but perhaps I was too optimistic in thinking that historians and Classicists would be combing through my article and haranguing me for my typos. Lol. Pericles of AthensTalk 15:26, 3 March 2017 (UTC)

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A barnstar for you![edit]

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A vastly overdue award. Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 22:36, 27 March 2017 (UTC)
@Iazyges: thank you kindly! I also look forward to finishing the GA review for Rise of Macedon. Take your time if you need to, though! There's no rush, of course. Wikipedia's not going anywhere. ;) Pericles of AthensTalk 22:59, 27 March 2017 (UTC)
I have finished the review. That I couldn't find any problems with the entire last half of the article definitely shows your writing skills. -- Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 23:04, 27 March 2017 (UTC)
@Iazyges: Oops! Sorry! I haven't logged into Wiki for a while and haven't checked the page yet. The last I saw of it the review was still in progress. Cheers and thanks! Pericles of AthensTalk 23:11, 27 March 2017 (UTC)

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Sino-Roman relations scheduled for TFA[edit]

This is to let you know that the Sino-Roman relations article has been scheduled as today's featured article for 16 April 2017. If you're interested in editing the main page text, you're welcome to do so at Wikipedia:Today's featured article/April 16, 2017. Thanks! Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 16:35, 2 April 2017 (UTC)

Looks good to me. Thanks for letting me know! Pericles of AthensTalk 16:41, 2 April 2017 (UTC)
FYI, I just moved it to the 18th to solve a scheduling issue that came up. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 21:58, 3 April 2017 (UTC)
@Mike Christie: okay! No worries. Thanks for letting me know.Pericles of AthensTalk 22:55, 3 April 2017 (UTC)

GA advices[edit]

Dear Pericles of Athens, you have a long experience in turning articles of poor quality into GA, and your writing skills are proven. I could like to follow your example and go for GA status for Athens and Thessalonica but I am not sure how to start. I wonder, what could your first step have been, if you were me? --SILENTRESIDENT 20:55, 12 April 2017 (UTC)

@SilentResident: hello! Thanks for the compliments. I would be honored to give you some advice and even continual feedback on your progress if necessary. For starters, you've chosen to tackle two articles that are already pretty well developed, so thankfully much of the work is already done for you! However, they need a lot of work, especially on inline citations for statements that lack them, which is probably where you should begin your efforts. This is where your judgment in shaping the narrative comes into play, because you can even choose to remove sentences that you think are superfluous while adding new content that you consider vital for understanding the topic.
Unfortunately you might be stepping on someone's toes with articles on major cities, since it appears that some editors have put a lot of hard work into these articles already. Aside from adding citations and sprucing things up a bit, leave a message on the talk page announcing your intentions. That way others can know what you're up to, which goes a long way in avoiding potential conflicts and edit warring. The articles already look very well illustrated, with tons of neat pictures, so that's not an area of immediate concern. The prose looks okay, but you could always make improvements and tighten certain sentences to make them crisper, shorter, and easier to digest.
I'm not sure if these articles need any help in terms of layout and organization, since there are already a number of logically-arranged sections and sub-sections, although perhaps you could split apart or combine certain things, or create entirely new sub-sections if necessary. If you do that, always keep in mind that articles shouldn't become behemoths that most visitors won't bother to read, per Wikipedia:Article size. These are already huge articles. Perhaps some trimming couldn't hurt, but of course you should always be careful not to excise something too important, and make sure to shift such material to an appropriate sub-article, like History of Athens for instance. I hope my advice is helpful! Regards, --Pericles of AthensTalk 01:27, 13 April 2017 (UTC)
Thank you very much. Thats very useful to know, I will see what I can do. --SILENTRESIDENT 07:56, 13 April 2017 (UTC)

DYK for Government of Macedonia (ancient kingdom)[edit]

Updated DYK query.svg On 14 April 2017, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Government of Macedonia (ancient kingdom), which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the government of ancient Macedonia was a monarchy, yet the Macedonian commonwealth contained some local democracies with popular assemblies and annual elections? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Government of Macedonia (ancient kingdom). You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Government of Macedonia (ancient kingdom)), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

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This Barnstar is for you![edit]

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This Barnstar is awarded to you due to the recognition of your tireless contribution on a growing number of topic articles about Ancient Macedonia, and your submission of especially large body of work without sacrificing quality. Face-smile.svg Thank you! -- SILENTRESIDENT 09:12, 26 April 2017 (UTC)
At this rate, we may run out of Barnstars to give Iazyges and you, for your excellent work on these articles. But what matters here is that your work is recognized among the Wikipedians! Face-smile.svg I still can't believe what you have achieved lately. Congrats to both of you. --SILENTRESIDENT 09:12, 26 April 2017 (UTC)
@SilentResident: thanks! I'd probably do even more if I had spare time and if GA nominations moved at a reasonable pace. Given the slow death of the Wikipedia community over the past decade, I'm actually shocked that Macedonia (ancient kingdom) and Rise of Macedon passed their Wikipedia:Good articles nominations so quickly. Something tells me I won't be so lucky with my nominations of Ancient Macedonians, History of Macedonia (ancient kingdom) and Government of Macedonia (ancient kingdom). They'll probably sit dormant for another month or two (maybe even three or four months) before someone bothers to come around and review them. I'm trying to shoot for a Wikipedia:Good topics nomination if not a Wikipedia:Featured topics nomination, although my current FA candidacy for the Macedonia (ancient kingdom) article is moving at a snail's pace. The same happened with my article on Sino-Roman relations, which only recently got its FAC approved and displayed on Wiki's front page for a day. --Pericles of AthensTalk 11:18, 26 April 2017 (UTC)
I didn't knew that. Is Wikipedia's active community really smaller nowadays? That's sad. --SILENTRESIDENT 11:36, 26 April 2017 (UTC)
It really is. Getting Good Articles passed used to take about a week and sometimes it was handled on the same day that it was nominated. Now it seems like each and every Good Article candidate takes months, or at the very least an entire month just to complete. My recently-nominated Sino-Roman relations article took two whole months to complete its FAC process, when my older FAs took less than a month to complete. Before the Sino-Roman relations FAC it also took four whole months just to get past the GA hurdle, from early September to late December in 2016. I was dumbfounded when that happened, since I came back to Wikipedia in August of that year, after a long hiatus and semi-retirement stretching back to 2010, and hadn't fully realized what had happened to the community. There are only a handful of people reviewing GACs now, and like one overburdened user overseeing everything there. It's really discouraging. --Pericles of AthensTalk 13:43, 26 April 2017 (UTC)

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Your GA nomination of Ancient Macedonians[edit]

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Your GA nomination of History of Macedonia (ancient kingdom)[edit]

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Your GA nomination of Government of Macedonia (ancient kingdom)[edit]

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@Iazyges: great! I can't wait to see your reviews. Cheers, buddy! --Pericles of AthensTalk 15:38, 10 May 2017 (UTC)
Excellent! --SILENTRESIDENT 19:41, 10 May 2017 (UTC)

Macedonia (ancient kingdom)[edit]


This was a nicely written article. I enjoyed reading and working on it. Just one question: I see "Aigai" frequently, but in Macedonia (ancient kingdom)#Architecture I see "Aigeiai". Is that correct, or should it be "Aigai"?

I don't know if I should continue on with the other related articles as you requested or take up another article on the requests list. I need to ask Miniapolis for guidance.  – Corinne (talk) 01:19, 12 May 2017 (UTC)

Doesn't seem fair to the other requesters to bundle a fistful of requests into one. List them two at a time (separately) on WP:GOCE/REQ and we'll get to them. All the best, Miniapolis 01:42, 12 May 2017 (UTC)
@Corinne: hello! Thanks for copy-editing the article and tidying it up. You've done a great job. And yes, it should be "Aigai" in every instance. The deviation you mentioned is probably a typo or some other editor using a unique spelling that I didn't catch. As for reviewing the other articles, that is entirely up to you. Feel free to do so, but you are under no obligation to do so, and even if you don't review them, you still have my gratitude. All the best, Pericles of AthensTalk 02:48, 12 May 2017 (UTC)

DYK for Rise of Macedon[edit]

Updated DYK query.svg On 13 May 2017, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Rise of Macedon, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that after conquering and uniting most of ancient Greece, Philip II of Macedon (bust pictured) was assassinated while in Aegae for his daughter’s wedding and was succeeded by his son Alexander the Great? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Rise of Macedon. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Rise of Macedon), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Mifter (talk) 04:09, 13 May 2017 (UTC)

Kenneth R. Bartlett[edit]

Hi PericlesofAthens,

Your April 27th edit of Kenneth R. Bartlett, explained as removal of vandalism, reintroduced some unsourced, defamatory content about the subject's supposed conduct during a strike (see diff here). Since you created this entry, I assume the reintroduction of these unsubstatiated allegations was unintentional. Risorgimento1871 (talk) 22:37, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

@Risorgimento1871: Oh. I didn't even notice that. I was simply trying to restore the page to how it looked a while back before it was clearly vandalized. I hadn't realized I was also restoring content added by pranksters/vandals. You can go back and review all of my original edits to the article, and clearly see that I was not the one to introduce those spurious comments. Regards, Pericles of AthensTalk 22:55, 23 May 2017 (UTC)
@PericlesofAthens: Thank you, that's exactly what I suspected. Defamatory information has been removed along with maintenance template. I plan to go in tomorrow and insert a longer, more complete professional biography. Thanks for clearing that up, Risorgimento1871 (talk) 23:04, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Ancient Macedonians[edit]

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Help with an article[edit]

Hey PericlesofAthens,

I have been working on the Zhongshan (state) article; I found a great book that got me a lot of info, but I am not very familiar with writing strong articles about countries, so I was wondering if you'd be willing to check my work, and tell me what you think.

Thanks! -- Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 01:40, 29 May 2017 (UTC)

@Iazyges: I think the article looks great! You've restructured it very well. However, there seems to be an abundant reliance on Wu (2017) as a source at the moment. I also noticed that before you edited the article, there were citations attributed to Di Cosmo, Loewe, and Shaughnessy (2007), Yap (2009), and Ebrey, Walthall, and Palais (2009). Was there a reason you got rid of these? Or was it just because you wanted to rewrite the entire article? Adding these citations back into the article would certainly balance things out in terms of providing a diversity of academic sources, especially since Wu's Material Culture, Power, and Identity in Ancient China is such a newly-published source (albeit from Cambridge University Press). Other than that, I think everything looks superb. Regards, Pericles of AthensTalk 02:09, 4 June 2017 (UTC)
Mostly what you've said about redoing it entirely. I'll see which of the previous sources I can use to add stuff onto. Thank you so much for looking it over! -- Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 02:24, 4 June 2017 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Ancient Macedonians[edit]

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