User talk:Peter238

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R in Dutch[edit]

So, I found this thesis on the R in Dutch. I think you might be interested and it has data we can use at Dutch phonology pages etc. Here it is: (talk) 21:02, 26 March 2015 (UTC)

Nice one, thanks! — Peter238 (v̥ɪˑzɪʔ mɑˑɪ̯ tˢʰoˑk̚ pʰɛˑɪ̯d̥ʒ̊) 21:46, 26 March 2015 (UTC)
@Gati123: Next week I'll try to add a complete list of possible realizations of Dutch /r/ to Dutch phonology. I'll use a couple of different sources, including the one you gave me. nl:Uitspraak van de r in het Nederlands features an extremely interesting (and, unfortunately, unsourced) statement: "Er is ook nog een lateraal fricatieve velaire r, waarbij het schurende geluid komt van lucht die langs de zijkant van de tong ontsnapt; deze r begint meestal met een tikje, ook geproduceerd langs de zijkant van de tong." Maybe you'd be able to dig up a Dutch source which talks about it. — Peter238 (v̥ɪˑzɪʔ mɑˑɪ̯ tˢʰoˑk̚ pʰɛˑɪ̯d̥ʒ̊) 20:31, 28 March 2015 (UTC)
Great! I'll dig for information and I have already asked the user who added the 'lateraal fricatieve velaire' r if (s)he has a source. If you want any more help, just ask! Gati123 (talk) 21:06, 28 March 2015 (UTC)
I got a response from that user: (at the dutch wikipedia). She hasn't got a source to prove it. Her verification is that she herself has that r. An educated philologist has checked the page and hasn't complained about that r. But as there is no source I think it's better to not use it. I will search for more sources! Hope this helps Gati123 (talk) 18:41, 29 March 2015 (UTC)
It does, thanks! — Peter238 (v̥ɪˑzɪʔ mɑˑɪ̯ tˢʰoˑk̚ pʰɛˑɪ̯d̥ʒ̊) 19:37, 29 March 2015 (UTC)
Hi again it's been a while (I spent a month in Sweden for work) I read the thesis another time so let me know if you need any help with it Gati123 (talk) 18:13, 3 May 2015 (UTC)
Sure, thanks. Peter238 (talk) 12:57, 4 May 2015 (UTC)


Thank you. Then I must have made a mistake. However, I regularly hear the locals to pronounce it with a final P sound, not with a B sound. Yet the English spelling may be very different from the source spelling.-- (talk) 19:57, 29 June 2015 (UTC)

It seems the sound is released. Alongside that, the S realisation is less common among the locals. In English, it seems the speech varies, some spell it with an S, some with a Z, but I am not sure which is more prevalent.-- (talk) 20:58, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
OK, than you can restore the spelling.-- (talk) 21:05, 29 June 2015 (UTC)

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