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Knepp Castle[edit]

Hi. I see you've created Knepp Castle. Any idea why the picture does not match this listing?Zigzig20s (talk) 11:46, 26 December 2014 (UTC)

Hello: no idea. I created a stub (when I was learning how to edit on WP a long time ago) and have not touched it since 2008. It appears that the image was added by Arthena. So, not guilty! Cheers. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 12:31, 26 December 2014 (UTC)
Reading the article it states "The name Knepp Castle is also applied to the castellated Gothick mansion built nearby", so presumably that's the other Knepp castle in the listing. Mikenorton (talk) 12:35, 26 December 2014 (UTC)
User:Mikenorton: Good point. I wonder if the mansion/castle is listed. Perhaps not if it's not mentioned in the ad.Zigzig20s (talk) 13:04, 26 December 2014 (UTC)
Actually, what I don't get is that the picture on Wikipedia looks like a ruin, doesn't it? And yet we learn here that Sir Charles Burrell, 10th Baronet lives there apparently. Does he live in the mansion/castle and is renting a separate apartment in it? Looks like it.Zigzig20s (talk) 13:17, 26 December 2014 (UTC)
Happy New Year all! These are just up the road from me. There are two separate buildings called Knepp Castle: the ruined castle (pictured in the article), which is 12th-century and is Grade II-listed and a Scheduled Ancient Monument, and the building shown in the Savills estate agent ad linked by Zigzig20s, which is Grade II*-listed. This was built in 1809 and rebuilt in 1904 after being completely destroyed by fire. Ideally there should be two articles, possibly named Knepp Castle (the ruin) and Knepp Castle (house), with appropriate disambiguators. I am struggling for time at the moment, but I have plenty of print references for both. Hassocks5489 (Floreat Hova!) 23:01, 2 January 2015 (UTC)
Good to hear from you, Hassocks. Happy New Year to you too! I'm not sure if Zigzig is still watching this page, but I'll send a message drawing attention to it. What you say is much what I expected, but my own interests have moved somewhat away from castles since I started the stub in 2007. (Was it that long ago?!) --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 10:19, 3 January 2015 (UTC)
I wonder who the new castle/mansion was built for. The Burrells?Zigzig20s (talk) 13:01, 3 January 2015 (UTC)


Could you please take a look at the article Karolina Olsson. I would appreciate any edits. Thanks.--BabbaQ (talk) 12:30, 30 December 2014 (UTC)

I've replied on your talk page. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 13:53, 30 December 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Storeton Hall[edit]

Harrias talk 00:02, 31 December 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Thurstaston Hall[edit]

Harrias talk 12:01, 31 December 2014 (UTC)

Looks an attractive place! Can you link all of your Merseyside and any other Grade II lists in Listed buildings in England?♦ Dr. Blofeld 17:19, 31 December 2014 (UTC)

Done. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 15:26, 1 January 2015 (UTC)

Polebrook Hall[edit]

Are you interested in creating a page about Polebrook Hall in Polebrook, a listed building where apparently Sarah Ferguson's paternal great-grandfather lived?Zigzig20s (talk) 19:33, 3 January 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, but no. I'm working on Lancashire at the present. Cheers. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 19:40, 3 January 2015 (UTC)

Happy New Year Peter I. Vardy![edit]

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  • Thank you, and may I reciprocate your greetings. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 19:42, 3 January 2015 (UTC)

DYK for Dawpool (house)[edit]

Harrias talk 00:13, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

Bramshill House[edit]

Hi, any chance you and Rodw could give this a read and post some pointers at Wikipedia:Peer review/Bramshill House/archive2? I'd be most grateful if you could at least read it and tell me what you think anyway!♦ Dr. Blofeld 08:00, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

500 DYKs[edit]

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I can't believe these is a parish in Cheshire and frequently many others who have not been pleased to receive your attention. All those churches that are sometimes abandoned and seemingly unloved have graced this project and now make the wiki that much richer. Thank you on behalf of the DYK project, myself and the wiki for your contribution, 100K edits and continuing calm. Thanks. Victuallers (talk) 23:45, 12 January 2015 (UTC)
  • Many thanks (it's all part of the service!). --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 10:09, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

I popped by to thank you and see that you now have more than 500 DYKs. That's some undertaking, well done Peter. J3Mrs (talk) 10:59, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

DYK for St Paul's Church, Seacombe[edit]

The DYK project (nominate) 04:42, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

Moondram Pirai DYK[edit]

Thanks for your support on the DYK nom. SFriendly.svgSsven2 speak 2 me 16:50, 17 January 2015 (UTC)

Bramshill House[edit]

Good evening. Many thanks for your valuable input into the peer review. The article is now at FAC. All further comments and input will be much appreciated, cheers.♦ Dr. Blofeld 20:30, 30 January 2015 (UTC)

DYK for Church of St John the Divine, Holme Chapel[edit]

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 12:02, 2 February 2015 (UTC)

Terms in a church[edit]

Hi, Peter, working on St. Valentin, Kiedrich, I would like to know what the English terms are for parts of a pew: the end facing the aisle (Wange in German), and the back or front (very ornate example pictured, with Gerichtigkeitsspirale)? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:56, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

ps: Sources in English would be most welcome, perhaps found by looking for English benefactor John Sutton, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:59, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

Hi, Gerda. I am not aware of any special terms in English. So far as I know the ends of pews facing the aisles are known as pew ends, and fronts and backs are known as fronts and backs. Sorry I cannot suggest anything more technical. Cheers. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 18:57, 16 February 2015 (UTC)
Hello both – I saw this on my watchlist and was intrigued! You can use the term poppyhead for the carved ends of pews. Finial would be a much more generic term, but poppyhead does have the specific meaning of a decorative pew end. Like Peter, I can't think of any special terms for carved fronts/backs. Hassocks5489 (Floreat Hova!) 19:07, 16 February 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for thinking! Poppyhead seems to be the little ends, often figures of people or animals, on pews. I am looking for something carved from top to floor level on the side, of which the church has 81 (and the guide will say that the Louvre would be proud to have just one). No good image on the commons, but of one front, Gerechtigkeitsspirale --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:17, 16 February 2015 (UTC)
Yes, poppyhead does refer to the carving on the tops of pew ends (see Poppyhead (carving)). --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 22:21, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

Listed buildings in Bryning-with-Warton[edit]

Hi Peter. Warton Post Mill (or the tiny remains there were of it, at least) is long gone. Does that matter? I could not see any "last updated" date at the English Heritage listing page. How often do they update? Do things ever get de-listed? Many thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:04, 28 February 2015 (UTC) ...Blimey that was spooky!

Hi, Martin. See my comment on the relevant talk page. EH do not have the resources to keep up with the 370,000+ listed buildings, and many descriptions have not been updated since the buildings were first listed as far back as the 1950s. In writing the lists on listed buildings, I have come across a number that have been demolished, and many more that have been altered or renamed. It's a nightmare for them, but I do have a contact, and I let him know about the major alterations. (Also some of the markers are on the wrong spot, and these have been changed following my notifications.) I will add the post mill to my present list of "comments" to him and see what transpires. Cheers. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 17:14, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
Yes, this image, shows where it was, on the small piece of waste ground behind the hedge. It seems the two mill stones are still there, by the way, just abandoned on the ground. But that's it. Many thanks for your time, Peter. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:55, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
That really fits the description. What is the date of the photo? --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 20:25, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
It's embedded here, as is credited to "© Mr G M Smith ARPS". Seems to be no date. I'd guess it was pre-Chorley excavation. That's all I know! Martinevans123 (talk) 20:39, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
Thanks. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 20:47, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

Precious again[edit]

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treasures of English churches
Thank you for unveiling the hidden treasures of English churches with amazing consistency, - repeating: you are an awesome Wikipedian (18 June 2010)!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:01, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

Three years ago, you were the 60th recipient of my PumpkinSky Prize, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:48, 14 March 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, Gerda. That's much appreciated. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 19:05, 15 March 2015 (UTC)

NHLE template[edit]

Hi, I spotted that you were in the process of updating List of churches preserved by the Churches Conservation Trust in Northern England using the {{NHLE}} template. The template was changed to line up with the changes to the {{citation}} templates and no longer has |separator= but now has a |mode= parameter available to switch between citation styles. Keith D (talk) 23:58, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the info and advice. I wish I understood these things! Anyway, I'll change as you suggest, although what I have been doing seems to have produced more or less what I wanted. Perhaps you could keep an eye on some of my future edits and advise whether they are OK (or not). Cheers, and thanks again, --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 09:42, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

Rode Hall[edit]

Hi Peter, I noticed that you started the Rode Hall article back in 2011. I've made an attempt to expand it from stub status over the past couple of days. It would be great, given your interest in 'historic sites in Cheshire and the surrounding areas', if you'd be able to have a quick look over it and let me know what you think? If you had the time/inclination of course! Thanks. Sotakeit (talk) 14:19, 28 April 2015 (UTC)

Hello. That is a considerable improvement over my weak effort. I have made a few minor tweaks, mainly spellings. There are some mistakes. It is listed Grade II*, but the infobox says Grade I; Ref 3 refers to the garden, not to the hall. Is it really in Gawsworth, rather than Odd Rode?
Do you intend to take it further? It's fine as it stands, but if you are going for GA, you may want to explain what Grade II* means, maybe have an Appreciation section (Pevsner calls it a "quite big, somewhat eccentric house" for example). And you may need a Present day section, explaining that the house and garden are open to the public, etc. Sorry, I haven't spent much time looking at it as I am currently rather involved in other projects. Best wishes, --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 15:15, 28 April 2015 (UTC)

DYK for Richard Bayliss[edit]

 — Crisco 1492 (talk) 10:00, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

John Stubbs, company in Liverpool[edit]

From about 1930 to 1970 my father worked for a company called John Stubbs, (Marble and Quartzite) Ltd., Smithdown Lane/ Crown Street, Liverpool

This company was well-established at that address before 1913, when Thos. Stubbs and Thomas William Stubbs (father, son?) dissolved their partnership, but continued the business, as marble and stone masons. Page 4344 THE LONDON GAZETTE, 17 JUNE, 1913

They made marble/granite/quartzite floors and facings for many well-known buildings in Liverpool, and are mentioned in Wikipedia.

They also did decorative stonework for
  Liverpool Cathedral,
  Martins Bank Headquarters Limited, Liverpool,
  New India Building, Liverpool,
  St Philip Neri, Liverpool,
  Mersey Docks and Harbour Board Building, Liverpool;
  Lyon's Corner House, Oxford Street, London;
  Mount St Mary's College, Chesterfield, Derbyshire;
  St Saviour's, Oxton, Cheshire and the
  Leverhulme Memorial, Port Sunlight, Cheshire [Mentioned in its Wiki page]

I'm trying to learn about this company, and incidentally, might edit some of the Wiki pages. If you come across my clumsy edits, can you tidy them up, and please not just delete them. Thank you (talk) 22:16, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for your message; it sounds very interesting. Of course, anyone may edit Wikipedia, but please note the message at the top of the edit page, that all content must be verifiable. The best way to do this is to ensure that every edit includes a citation from a reliable source. If this is omitted, the edit may be tagged with "citation needed", or removed to the talk page awaiting a citation, or even deleted (!). Best wishes with your edits. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 08:30, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

Bethesda Methodist Chapel, Stoke-on-Trent[edit]

Good work. SilkTork ✔Tea time 17:02, 4 June 2015 (UTC)

Silverdale, Lancashire[edit]

Hallo Peter, Thanks for creating Listed buildings in Silverdale, Lancashire. I've added street locations which I think enhance it - I was certainly looking at it and thinking "Fernbank, where's that?" for a handful of them. Everything I've added is sourced from the Historic England lists.

I was alerted to the new article when you added it as a "See also" in the article on the village, which is on my watch list, but I've now added a "Main" link to it in the existing section on listed buildings. I also noticed that you'd created St John's Church, Silverdale but without linking it from the village article - I've rejigged a sentence to include a clear link to it.

I might try and get some photos of more of the listed buildings - two of them are within about 3 minutes' walk as I type!

I see that the church is up for "DYK" with a hook about its carvings - the scenes from Revelations on the pillars are something quite special (the vicar says his mother reckoned the sculptor was on LSD!). Could try for a shot of them some time... I'll be in the church for a concert next Friday. There is also a fine modern glass screen, installed in last couple of years - will try to find some coverage of it in Westmorland Gazette or Lancaster Guardian if not elsewhere, and add it. PamD 14:27, 16 June 2015 (UTC)

Good to hear from you, Pam. Thanks for the various additions to the articles. Yes more photos would be excellent. Cheers. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 14:44, 16 June 2015 (UTC)

DYK nomination of St John the Evangelist's Church, Yealand Conyers[edit]

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Hope all is well with you, I often look at your contributions and continue to be impressed. I completely understand your frustration. I have wasted half an hour speed reading the latest installment of the soap opera. I met Eric and a few other editors earlier this year, some people have 100% the wrong impression and I'm not usually a poor judge of character. I don't suffer fools too well so I've become somewhat disillusioned and luckily have other things to keep me occupied. The sun is coming out so I am retiring to my garden to catch up on jobs not done while I was away. J3Mrs (talk) 12:45, 28 June 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the message. I just felt so fed up with all the time that's wasted when people could be doing something useful. I usually keep away from this sort of thing, and press on doing stuff that's not controversial (but I hope worthwhile). And it means, I hope, that when the time comes, I will have left behind something useful for the future. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 14:05, 28 June 2015 (UTC)
Rest assured, you have done a lot for present and future. - I avoid the noticeboards as far as I can, but today felt in the mood for a sermon on mercy right there ;) - See also: wisdom on justice from 1510, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:15, 28 June 2015 (UTC)
Thanks, Gerda. I did notice your sermon - and appreciated it. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 14:21, 28 June 2015 (UTC)

DYK for St John's Church, Silverdale[edit]

This is your thank you from the DYK project (pass it on?) Victuallers (talk) 13:06, 29 June 2015 (UTC)

Hallwood, Cheshire[edit]

Hi Peter, first, I should congratulate you on 100,000 edits. THAT is both awesome and inspiring, and I thank you for your dedication to the Wiki cause, which is also near and dear to my heart.

Re: Tarleton at Hallwood, Cheshire, I am preparing an article for publication--and soon. When I have it I will perhaps cite my article, but you are right, other cites will be necessary as well.

Anyway, thank for your feedback!

charleyCharley sf (talk) 00:55, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, Charlie. Please keep me in touch about the article. The information we have on Hallwood is very limited, as you will see from the article. Cheers. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 08:49, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

Incomplete DYK nomination[edit]

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DYK for St John the Evangelist's Church, Yealand Conyers[edit]

Thanks for your help Victuallers (talk) 12:02, 12 July 2015 (UTC)

WikiProject Physics/Taskforces/Relativity[edit]

Hi Peter

I would appreciate your opinion on a revert in WikiProject_Physics/Taskforces/Relativity section 6.3 Webiste. There is a short discussion in the talk page concerning the edit


PennyDarling (talk) 13:32, 9 August 2015 (UTC)

  • Thanks for contacting me. However this subject is well away from my knowledge base, and I don't really have anything to offer. Sorry. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 13:45, 9 August 2015 (UTC)

Hi Peter

Thanks for the reply. Do you have any idea who I should contact or how to rexolve this? If this user want to delete for valid reasons then that's fair enough, but he can't provide any valid references.

PennyDarling (talk) 14:34, 9 August 2015 (UTC)

  • Sorry about the delay in replying. I can only suggest that you find a "friend" on the WikiProject_Physics to support you. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 09:40, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

I have unreviewed a page you curated[edit]

Hi, I'm Mecnunsaskin. I wanted to let you know that I saw the page you reviewed, Listed buildings in Rimington, and have un-reviewed it again. If you have any questions, please ask them on my talk page. Thank you. Mecnunsaskin (talk) 14:26, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

Editathon at Clitheroe Castle Museum[edit]

Hi, I notice that you have edited the Clitheroe Castle article. I wondered whether you might be interested in coming along to our editathon on 26th September 10.30 - 16.00. Jhayward001 (talk) 13:44, 12 September 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the invitation, but we have a family meet up, so I have given apologies on the page. Hope it is very successful. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 21:36, 19 September 2015 (UTC)
I have added a few street photos- which you might find useful- they are in Commons:Streets in Clitheroe -- Clem Rutter (talk) 22:22, 4 October 2015 (UTC)
Many thanks. I have added some of your photos to the list. Cheers. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 16:53, 5 October 2015 (UTC)

You're invited! Women in Red World Virtual Edit-a-thon on Women in Architecture[edit]

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John Hutchinson[edit]

sorry, I am a bit confused on how to reply on Wikipedia, so I am trying this way and hope it works I have John Hutchinson on my family tree on ancestry, and found his baptism record, I hope this can lead you to it [1] Ehrj1234 (talk) 09:57, 18 October 2015 (UTC)Ehrj1234Ehrj1234 (talk) 09:57, 18 October 2015 (UTC)

St. Mary's Church, Warrington[edit]

Hi Peter,

I note that you have done some work on the page of St. Mary's Warrington, I have done some work on it too, but in a piecemeal fashion. There is going to be a big change there with a new relgious congregation running it, it was nearly closed down, so I'd like to review and refresh the page and would really welcome your critical eye, would you be able to have a dekko? (sorry if I have not done this correctly!)


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Listed buildings[edit]

Hi Peter, just a few comments as I notice you're currently working on Ormskirk. I see you've added Burscough Priory to the Burscough list; technically the ruins fall outside the boundaries of the civil parish, so I'm not sure if they technically belong in Ormskirk or not, though I do see the logic in doing it the way you have. Also, are you planning on doing a separate list for Westhead?

Incidentally, Greaves Hall was demolished back in 2009, so North Meols currently has no listed buildings at all! Keep up the good work! PC78 (talk) 00:35, 13 November 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the comments. Burscough Priory did puzzle me, as its name suggests it is in Burscough but, as you say, it lies outside the civil parish. In fact when searching the NHLE, it does come up in Ormskirk, so perhaps I should move it into the Ormskirk list. What do you think?
Thanks for the info about Greaves Hall, I will delete the entry (or maybe amend it) from the North Meols article accordingly. I will also inform Historic England about this (I have a contact there to deal with this sort of matter).
Re Westhead. As you will have noticed I have been compiling the lists by civil parish where possible. Westhead is not a civil parish. Searching the NHLE, it places some of the Westhead buildings in Lathom South (so they have already been "done"), and the others in Ormskirk (currently in preparation). --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 09:28, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
I think if you're sticking to the civil parish (or unparished area) boundaries and including Westhead in the Ormskirk list, you might be as well doing the same with Burscough Priory. A note in the Burscough list might be a good idea though.
The section you added to North Meols should be fine with the necessary adjustments. It perhaps wasn't necessary but I created Listed buildings in North Meols as a redirect. PC78 (talk) 16:24, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
PS. I wrote the above before I discovered the excellent work you have done on the navbox for West Lancashire. Also thanks for the photos you have added to the lists. I am a bit stuck on moving photos from Geograph as the Upload File connection on Commons is not working for me. You, too, keep up the good work, please. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 16:15, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
Thanks. I've been looking out for photos on Geograph that might be useful, in fact some are already on Commons but are either miscategorised or uncategorised. I have some of my own that I still need to add as well. PC78 (talk) 16:24, 13 November 2015 (UTC)

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TFL notification[edit]

Hi, Peter. I'm just posting to let you know that Grade I listed churches in Cumbria – a list that you have been heavily involved with – has been chosen to appear on the Main Page as Today's featured list for December 25. The TFL blurb can be seen here. If you have any thoughts on the selection, please post them on my talk page or at TFL talk. Regards, Giants2008 (Talk) 21:24, 27 November 2015 (UTC)