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Knepp Castle[edit]

Hi. I see you've created Knepp Castle. Any idea why the picture does not match this listing?Zigzig20s (talk) 11:46, 26 December 2014 (UTC)

Hello: no idea. I created a stub (when I was learning how to edit on WP a long time ago) and have not touched it since 2008. It appears that the image was added by Arthena. So, not guilty! Cheers. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 12:31, 26 December 2014 (UTC)
Reading the article it states "The name Knepp Castle is also applied to the castellated Gothick mansion built nearby", so presumably that's the other Knepp castle in the listing. Mikenorton (talk) 12:35, 26 December 2014 (UTC)
User:Mikenorton: Good point. I wonder if the mansion/castle is listed. Perhaps not if it's not mentioned in the ad.Zigzig20s (talk) 13:04, 26 December 2014 (UTC)
Actually, what I don't get is that the picture on Wikipedia looks like a ruin, doesn't it? And yet we learn here that Sir Charles Burrell, 10th Baronet lives there apparently. Does he live in the mansion/castle and is renting a separate apartment in it? Looks like it.Zigzig20s (talk) 13:17, 26 December 2014 (UTC)
Happy New Year all! These are just up the road from me. There are two separate buildings called Knepp Castle: the ruined castle (pictured in the article), which is 12th-century and is Grade II-listed and a Scheduled Ancient Monument, and the building shown in the Savills estate agent ad linked by Zigzig20s, which is Grade II*-listed. This was built in 1809 and rebuilt in 1904 after being completely destroyed by fire. Ideally there should be two articles, possibly named Knepp Castle (the ruin) and Knepp Castle (house), with appropriate disambiguators. I am struggling for time at the moment, but I have plenty of print references for both. Hassocks5489 (Floreat Hova!) 23:01, 2 January 2015 (UTC)
Good to hear from you, Hassocks. Happy New Year to you too! I'm not sure if Zigzig is still watching this page, but I'll send a message drawing attention to it. What you say is much what I expected, but my own interests have moved somewhat away from castles since I started the stub in 2007. (Was it that long ago?!) --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 10:19, 3 January 2015 (UTC)
I wonder who the new castle/mansion was built for. The Burrells?Zigzig20s (talk) 13:01, 3 January 2015 (UTC)


Could you please take a look at the article Karolina Olsson. I would appreciate any edits. Thanks.--BabbaQ (talk) 12:30, 30 December 2014 (UTC)

I've replied on your talk page. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 13:53, 30 December 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Storeton Hall[edit]

Harrias talk 00:02, 31 December 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Thurstaston Hall[edit]

Harrias talk 12:01, 31 December 2014 (UTC)

Looks an attractive place! Can you link all of your Merseyside and any other Grade II lists in Listed buildings in England?♦ Dr. Blofeld 17:19, 31 December 2014 (UTC)

Done. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 15:26, 1 January 2015 (UTC)

Polebrook Hall[edit]

Are you interested in creating a page about Polebrook Hall in Polebrook, a listed building where apparently Sarah Ferguson's paternal great-grandfather lived?Zigzig20s (talk) 19:33, 3 January 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, but no. I'm working on Lancashire at the present. Cheers. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 19:40, 3 January 2015 (UTC)

Happy New Year Peter I. Vardy![edit]

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  • Thank you, and may I reciprocate your greetings. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 19:42, 3 January 2015 (UTC)

DYK for Dawpool (house)[edit]

Harrias talk 00:13, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

Bramshill House[edit]

Hi, any chance you and Rodw could give this a read and post some pointers at Wikipedia:Peer review/Bramshill House/archive2? I'd be most grateful if you could at least read it and tell me what you think anyway!♦ Dr. Blofeld 08:00, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

500 DYKs[edit]

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I can't believe these is a parish in Cheshire and frequently many others who have not been pleased to receive your attention. All those churches that are sometimes abandoned and seemingly unloved have graced this project and now make the wiki that much richer. Thank you on behalf of the DYK project, myself and the wiki for your contribution, 100K edits and continuing calm. Thanks. Victuallers (talk) 23:45, 12 January 2015 (UTC)
  • Many thanks (it's all part of the service!). --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 10:09, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

I popped by to thank you and see that you now have more than 500 DYKs. That's some undertaking, well done Peter. J3Mrs (talk) 10:59, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

DYK for St Paul's Church, Seacombe[edit]

The DYK project (nominate) 04:42, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

Moondram Pirai DYK[edit]

Thanks for your support on the DYK nom. SFriendly.svgSsven2 speak 2 me 16:50, 17 January 2015 (UTC)

Bramshill House[edit]

Good evening. Many thanks for your valuable input into the peer review. The article is now at FAC. All further comments and input will be much appreciated, cheers.♦ Dr. Blofeld 20:30, 30 January 2015 (UTC)

DYK for Church of St John the Divine, Holme Chapel[edit]

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 12:02, 2 February 2015 (UTC)

Terms in a church[edit]

Hi, Peter, working on St. Valentin, Kiedrich, I would like to know what the English terms are for parts of a pew: the end facing the aisle (Wange in German), and the back or front (very ornate example pictured, with Gerichtigkeitsspirale)? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:56, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

ps: Sources in English would be most welcome, perhaps found by looking for English benefactor John Sutton, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:59, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

Hi, Gerda. I am not aware of any special terms in English. So far as I know the ends of pews facing the aisles are known as pew ends, and fronts and backs are known as fronts and backs. Sorry I cannot suggest anything more technical. Cheers. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 18:57, 16 February 2015 (UTC)
Hello both – I saw this on my watchlist and was intrigued! You can use the term poppyhead for the carved ends of pews. Finial would be a much more generic term, but poppyhead does have the specific meaning of a decorative pew end. Like Peter, I can't think of any special terms for carved fronts/backs. Hassocks5489 (Floreat Hova!) 19:07, 16 February 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for thinking! Poppyhead seems to be the little ends, often figures of people or animals, on pews. I am looking for something carved from top to floor level on the side, of which the church has 81 (and the guide will say that the Louvre would be proud to have just one). No good image on the commons, but of one front, Gerechtigkeitsspirale --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:17, 16 February 2015 (UTC)
Yes, poppyhead does refer to the carving on the tops of pew ends (see Poppyhead (carving)). --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 22:21, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

Listed buildings in Bryning-with-Warton[edit]

Hi Peter. Warton Post Mill (or the tiny remains there were of it, at least) is long gone. Does that matter? I could not see any "last updated" date at the English Heritage listing page. How often do they update? Do things ever get de-listed? Many thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:04, 28 February 2015 (UTC) ...Blimey that was spooky!

Hi, Martin. See my comment on the relevant talk page. EH do not have the resources to keep up with the 370,000+ listed buildings, and many descriptions have not been updated since the buildings were first listed as far back as the 1950s. In writing the lists on listed buildings, I have come across a number that have been demolished, and many more that have been altered or renamed. It's a nightmare for them, but I do have a contact, and I let him know about the major alterations. (Also some of the markers are on the wrong spot, and these have been changed following my notifications.) I will add the post mill to my present list of "comments" to him and see what transpires. Cheers. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 17:14, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
Yes, this image, shows where it was, on the small piece of waste ground behind the hedge. It seems the two mill stones are still there, by the way, just abandoned on the ground. But that's it. Many thanks for your time, Peter. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:55, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
That really fits the description. What is the date of the photo? --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 20:25, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
It's embedded here, as is credited to "© Mr G M Smith ARPS". Seems to be no date. I'd guess it was pre-Chorley excavation. That's all I know! Martinevans123 (talk) 20:39, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
Thanks. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 20:47, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

Precious again[edit]

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Thank you for unveiling the hidden treasures of English churches with amazing consistency, - repeating: you are an awesome Wikipedian (18 June 2010)!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:01, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

Three years ago, you were the 60th recipient of my PumpkinSky Prize, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:48, 14 March 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, Gerda. That's much appreciated. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 19:05, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
Four years ago, you were recipient no. 60 of Precious, a prize of QAI! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:15, 14 March 2016 (UTC)

NHLE template[edit]

Hi, I spotted that you were in the process of updating List of churches preserved by the Churches Conservation Trust in Northern England using the {{NHLE}} template. The template was changed to line up with the changes to the {{citation}} templates and no longer has |separator= but now has a |mode= parameter available to switch between citation styles. Keith D (talk) 23:58, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the info and advice. I wish I understood these things! Anyway, I'll change as you suggest, although what I have been doing seems to have produced more or less what I wanted. Perhaps you could keep an eye on some of my future edits and advise whether they are OK (or not). Cheers, and thanks again, --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 09:42, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

Rode Hall[edit]

Hi Peter, I noticed that you started the Rode Hall article back in 2011. I've made an attempt to expand it from stub status over the past couple of days. It would be great, given your interest in 'historic sites in Cheshire and the surrounding areas', if you'd be able to have a quick look over it and let me know what you think? If you had the time/inclination of course! Thanks. Sotakeit (talk) 14:19, 28 April 2015 (UTC)

Hello. That is a considerable improvement over my weak effort. I have made a few minor tweaks, mainly spellings. There are some mistakes. It is listed Grade II*, but the infobox says Grade I; Ref 3 refers to the garden, not to the hall. Is it really in Gawsworth, rather than Odd Rode?
Do you intend to take it further? It's fine as it stands, but if you are going for GA, you may want to explain what Grade II* means, maybe have an Appreciation section (Pevsner calls it a "quite big, somewhat eccentric house" for example). And you may need a Present day section, explaining that the house and garden are open to the public, etc. Sorry, I haven't spent much time looking at it as I am currently rather involved in other projects. Best wishes, --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 15:15, 28 April 2015 (UTC)

DYK for Richard Bayliss[edit]

 — Crisco 1492 (talk) 10:00, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

John Stubbs, company in Liverpool[edit]

From about 1930 to 1970 my father worked for a company called John Stubbs, (Marble and Quartzite) Ltd., Smithdown Lane/ Crown Street, Liverpool

This company was well-established at that address before 1913, when Thos. Stubbs and Thomas William Stubbs (father, son?) dissolved their partnership, but continued the business, as marble and stone masons. Page 4344 THE LONDON GAZETTE, 17 JUNE, 1913

They made marble/granite/quartzite floors and facings for many well-known buildings in Liverpool, and are mentioned in Wikipedia.

They also did decorative stonework for
  Liverpool Cathedral,
  Martins Bank Headquarters Limited, Liverpool,
  New India Building, Liverpool,
  St Philip Neri, Liverpool,
  Mersey Docks and Harbour Board Building, Liverpool;
  Lyon's Corner House, Oxford Street, London;
  Mount St Mary's College, Chesterfield, Derbyshire;
  St Saviour's, Oxton, Cheshire and the
  Leverhulme Memorial, Port Sunlight, Cheshire [Mentioned in its Wiki page]

I'm trying to learn about this company, and incidentally, might edit some of the Wiki pages. If you come across my clumsy edits, can you tidy them up, and please not just delete them. Thank you (talk) 22:16, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for your message; it sounds very interesting. Of course, anyone may edit Wikipedia, but please note the message at the top of the edit page, that all content must be verifiable. The best way to do this is to ensure that every edit includes a citation from a reliable source. If this is omitted, the edit may be tagged with "citation needed", or removed to the talk page awaiting a citation, or even deleted (!). Best wishes with your edits. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 08:30, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

Bethesda Methodist Chapel, Stoke-on-Trent[edit]

Good work. SilkTork ✔Tea time 17:02, 4 June 2015 (UTC)

Silverdale, Lancashire[edit]

Hallo Peter, Thanks for creating Listed buildings in Silverdale, Lancashire. I've added street locations which I think enhance it - I was certainly looking at it and thinking "Fernbank, where's that?" for a handful of them. Everything I've added is sourced from the Historic England lists.

I was alerted to the new article when you added it as a "See also" in the article on the village, which is on my watch list, but I've now added a "Main" link to it in the existing section on listed buildings. I also noticed that you'd created St John's Church, Silverdale but without linking it from the village article - I've rejigged a sentence to include a clear link to it.

I might try and get some photos of more of the listed buildings - two of them are within about 3 minutes' walk as I type!

I see that the church is up for "DYK" with a hook about its carvings - the scenes from Revelations on the pillars are something quite special (the vicar says his mother reckoned the sculptor was on LSD!). Could try for a shot of them some time... I'll be in the church for a concert next Friday. There is also a fine modern glass screen, installed in last couple of years - will try to find some coverage of it in Westmorland Gazette or Lancaster Guardian if not elsewhere, and add it. PamD 14:27, 16 June 2015 (UTC)

Good to hear from you, Pam. Thanks for the various additions to the articles. Yes more photos would be excellent. Cheers. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 14:44, 16 June 2015 (UTC)

DYK nomination of St John the Evangelist's Church, Yealand Conyers[edit]

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Hope all is well with you, I often look at your contributions and continue to be impressed. I completely understand your frustration. I have wasted half an hour speed reading the latest installment of the soap opera. I met Eric and a few other editors earlier this year, some people have 100% the wrong impression and I'm not usually a poor judge of character. I don't suffer fools too well so I've become somewhat disillusioned and luckily have other things to keep me occupied. The sun is coming out so I am retiring to my garden to catch up on jobs not done while I was away. J3Mrs (talk) 12:45, 28 June 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the message. I just felt so fed up with all the time that's wasted when people could be doing something useful. I usually keep away from this sort of thing, and press on doing stuff that's not controversial (but I hope worthwhile). And it means, I hope, that when the time comes, I will have left behind something useful for the future. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 14:05, 28 June 2015 (UTC)
Rest assured, you have done a lot for present and future. - I avoid the noticeboards as far as I can, but today felt in the mood for a sermon on mercy right there ;) - See also: wisdom on justice from 1510, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:15, 28 June 2015 (UTC)
Thanks, Gerda. I did notice your sermon - and appreciated it. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 14:21, 28 June 2015 (UTC)

DYK for St John's Church, Silverdale[edit]

This is your thank you from the DYK project (pass it on?) Victuallers (talk) 13:06, 29 June 2015 (UTC)

Hallwood, Cheshire[edit]

Hi Peter, first, I should congratulate you on 100,000 edits. THAT is both awesome and inspiring, and I thank you for your dedication to the Wiki cause, which is also near and dear to my heart.

Re: Tarleton at Hallwood, Cheshire, I am preparing an article for publication--and soon. When I have it I will perhaps cite my article, but you are right, other cites will be necessary as well.

Anyway, thank for your feedback!

charleyCharley sf (talk) 00:55, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, Charlie. Please keep me in touch about the article. The information we have on Hallwood is very limited, as you will see from the article. Cheers. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 08:49, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

Incomplete DYK nomination[edit]

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DYK for St John the Evangelist's Church, Yealand Conyers[edit]

Thanks for your help Victuallers (talk) 12:02, 12 July 2015 (UTC)

WikiProject Physics/Taskforces/Relativity[edit]

Hi Peter

I would appreciate your opinion on a revert in WikiProject_Physics/Taskforces/Relativity section 6.3 Webiste. There is a short discussion in the talk page concerning the edit


PennyDarling (talk) 13:32, 9 August 2015 (UTC)

  • Thanks for contacting me. However this subject is well away from my knowledge base, and I don't really have anything to offer. Sorry. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 13:45, 9 August 2015 (UTC)

Hi Peter

Thanks for the reply. Do you have any idea who I should contact or how to rexolve this? If this user want to delete for valid reasons then that's fair enough, but he can't provide any valid references.

PennyDarling (talk) 14:34, 9 August 2015 (UTC)

  • Sorry about the delay in replying. I can only suggest that you find a "friend" on the WikiProject_Physics to support you. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 09:40, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

I have unreviewed a page you curated[edit]

Hi, I'm Mecnunsaskin. I wanted to let you know that I saw the page you reviewed, Listed buildings in Rimington, and have un-reviewed it again. If you have any questions, please ask them on my talk page. Thank you. Mecnunsaskin (talk) 14:26, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

Editathon at Clitheroe Castle Museum[edit]

Hi, I notice that you have edited the Clitheroe Castle article. I wondered whether you might be interested in coming along to our editathon on 26th September 10.30 - 16.00. Jhayward001 (talk) 13:44, 12 September 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the invitation, but we have a family meet up, so I have given apologies on the page. Hope it is very successful. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 21:36, 19 September 2015 (UTC)
I have added a few street photos- which you might find useful- they are in Commons:Streets in Clitheroe -- Clem Rutter (talk) 22:22, 4 October 2015 (UTC)
Many thanks. I have added some of your photos to the list. Cheers. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 16:53, 5 October 2015 (UTC)

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John Hutchinson[edit]

sorry, I am a bit confused on how to reply on Wikipedia, so I am trying this way and hope it works I have John Hutchinson on my family tree on ancestry, and found his baptism record, I hope this can lead you to it [1] Ehrj1234 (talk) 09:57, 18 October 2015 (UTC)Ehrj1234Ehrj1234 (talk) 09:57, 18 October 2015 (UTC)

St. Mary's Church, Warrington[edit]

Hi Peter,

I note that you have done some work on the page of St. Mary's Warrington, I have done some work on it too, but in a piecemeal fashion. There is going to be a big change there with a new relgious congregation running it, it was nearly closed down, so I'd like to review and refresh the page and would really welcome your critical eye, would you be able to have a dekko? (sorry if I have not done this correctly!)


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Listed buildings[edit]

Hi Peter, just a few comments as I notice you're currently working on Ormskirk. I see you've added Burscough Priory to the Burscough list; technically the ruins fall outside the boundaries of the civil parish, so I'm not sure if they technically belong in Ormskirk or not, though I do see the logic in doing it the way you have. Also, are you planning on doing a separate list for Westhead?

Incidentally, Greaves Hall was demolished back in 2009, so North Meols currently has no listed buildings at all! Keep up the good work! PC78 (talk) 00:35, 13 November 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the comments. Burscough Priory did puzzle me, as its name suggests it is in Burscough but, as you say, it lies outside the civil parish. In fact when searching the NHLE, it does come up in Ormskirk, so perhaps I should move it into the Ormskirk list. What do you think?
Thanks for the info about Greaves Hall, I will delete the entry (or maybe amend it) from the North Meols article accordingly. I will also inform Historic England about this (I have a contact there to deal with this sort of matter).
Re Westhead. As you will have noticed I have been compiling the lists by civil parish where possible. Westhead is not a civil parish. Searching the NHLE, it places some of the Westhead buildings in Lathom South (so they have already been "done"), and the others in Ormskirk (currently in preparation). --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 09:28, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
I think if you're sticking to the civil parish (or unparished area) boundaries and including Westhead in the Ormskirk list, you might be as well doing the same with Burscough Priory. A note in the Burscough list might be a good idea though.
The section you added to North Meols should be fine with the necessary adjustments. It perhaps wasn't necessary but I created Listed buildings in North Meols as a redirect. PC78 (talk) 16:24, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
PS. I wrote the above before I discovered the excellent work you have done on the navbox for West Lancashire. Also thanks for the photos you have added to the lists. I am a bit stuck on moving photos from Geograph as the Upload File connection on Commons is not working for me. You, too, keep up the good work, please. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 16:15, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
Thanks. I've been looking out for photos on Geograph that might be useful, in fact some are already on Commons but are either miscategorised or uncategorised. I have some of my own that I still need to add as well. PC78 (talk) 16:24, 13 November 2015 (UTC)

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TFL notification[edit]

Hi, Peter. I'm just posting to let you know that Grade I listed churches in Cumbria – a list that you have been heavily involved with – has been chosen to appear on the Main Page as Today's featured list for December 25. The TFL blurb can be seen here. If you have any thoughts on the selection, please post them on my talk page or at TFL talk. Regards, Giants2008 (Talk) 21:24, 27 November 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the message - Christmas Day too! I'll have a look through the list to see if any tidying is needed. Cheers. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 09:21, 28 November 2015 (UTC)


Fancy flogging that piece of Keswick, it's a really nice example. James — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:C7D:A8C4:F300:CCB1:C1C5:F663:953F (talk) 23:28, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

Thank you for your comment. Would please remind me what kSIA is. The ageing mind has not retained this info. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 12:13, 28 January 2016 (UTC)
It's the old Keswick School of Industrial Art, founded by Canon Rawnsley, and now, alas, a slightly (IMO) overambitious Italian restaurant, when it's open, which, post Dec floods, it isn't. – Tim riley talk 14:54, 31 January 2016 (UTC)


Your new page on listed buildings is superb, if you'll allow me to say so. I see you've put a "see also" link in the Keswick page, and I'm wondering if anything else can be added to draw attention to the new page, though I can't think of anything. I think many people who look at the Keswick article will be very glad to see the new list as well. I certainly was, and will be looking again with much pleasure.

A couple of queries. First, I'm a bit hazy about boundaries, but is Crosthwaite church definitely within Keswick? I had an idea it wasn't, but I'm probably quite wrong. Secondly, in autumn 2104 the old law court and police station were converted (v. carefully and imaginatively) into a Wetherspoon pub called The Chief Justice of the Common Pleas, where I should be pleased to stand you a drink if you're passing. Best wishes, Tim riley talk 21:56, 30 January 2016 (UTC)

Hello, Tim. Thanks for your kind comments and for the invitation. May I first of all congratulate you for the work you did to bring the Keswick article to GA standard; there can be few towns of this size to have an article of this quality. I was not sure how to link the list to the article, especially as the article has a full list of the listed buildings, albeit "hidden". I usually add a See also section for the purpose, but in this case a "main" template seemed more appropriate.
I have been preparing articles on listed buildings by parish, or by unparished area (Cheshire, Merseyside and Lancashire are completed). I do not know the area well enough, but I guess that Crosthwaite is not in the town of Keswick, but according to Historic England it is in the parish - see [2]. Hence it is included in this list. Re Weatherspoon's, I had seen pictures of the conversion on Street View, and I guess I was a bit lazy not to make reference to this. One problem is that I rely in the HE descriptions (supplemented by Pevsner) as reliable sources. But the HE descriptions are usually years, if not decades, out of date. I sometimes add a separate footnote to state what Street View shows. I am not sure that Street View pictures are OK for reliability (or are they equivalent to OR?). They are certainly verifiable, but you cannot give a reference for a view. Perhaps what I should do is add a sentence about the conversion and add [3] as a reference. And I also ought to do something about Greta House, which is now part B&B and part self-catering. Do you agree? --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 11:39, 31 January 2016 (UTC)
One of the pleasures of editing Wikipedia is adventitiously learning so many things you didn't even know you didn't know. I learned so much from your new page that fifty-five years' acquaintance with the town hadn't taught me. I think what you suggest for referencing the Chief Justice of the C. P. will do very nicely. I'd forgotten that Greta House is now b&b/holiday flats. The same sort of link to the proprietors' site ought to be acceptable to back up a wholly uncontroversial statement, surely? But I could dig out a reference (paper only) in the local weekly, The Keswick Reminder, if necessary. Do you put your lists up for FLC? If so, please ping me for this or similar lists, and I'll be very glad to put my two penn'orth in. I must go away now and see what you have come up with for the city of my birth – Liverpool. I look forward to further delightful revelations there. As for your Keswick list, when spring comes and the sun shines on the town (it does occasionally) I'll try to remember to see what I can do about providing snapshots of the many buildings that lack a picture in your list. Do please prod me come the summer if I have forgotten. Tim riley talk 14:49, 31 January 2016 (UTC)
If I could stick my oar in, I too have been watching your Cumbria lists come up- I'm originally from Ireleth, near Barrow, and still get back from time to time. Like Tim (I didn't realise you were Keswick-based, by the way) I'm really enjoying looking through the new articles. Josh Milburn (talk) 15:48, 31 January 2016 (UTC)
Based there one week every month, but I don't think Peter's lists extend to my other habitat, Islington. I so agree how enjoyable his pages are. Tim riley talk 17:14, 31 January 2016 (UTC)
Thanks to both of you. It's good to hear that one's work is seen (and appreciated). Sometimes you feel you are writing into a vacuum. Cheers. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 17:51, 31 January 2016 (UTC)

I've added a little info and refs for the police court and Greta Hall - and for good measure - for KSIA. It's worth doing the extra when you realise that your work is being seen!

A number of my lists have been successful at FLC. But my last nomination took so much time and effort, particularly from one vexatious reviewer who commented in minutiae relating to the referencing (which worked perfectly but apparently did not look right), that I decided not to bother with any more. I concluded that it is better to spend my time on writing new lists than trying to get stars for the already completed ones. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 18:24, 31 January 2016 (UTC)

Happy to help with referencing if I can (I'm a bit of a Heritage wikignome and I've got some of the relevant Pevsners as well as a working knowledge of NHLE, IoE etc.). Which was the FLC candidate that had the referencing "problem" so I can understand what's needed? Dave.Dunford (talk) 18:00, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

Reference to Cheshire.[edit]

Peter, I removed 'Cheshire' from the first line of the paragraph Widnes is an industrial town in Halton, England because whilst it is indeed in the ceremonial county and that is mentioned in the infobox, but as Halton is the top tier of local government I feel that is sufficient. In any case, being historically in Lancashire is mentioned but as the Chesire governance was only 1974-1998 it is not relevant to refer to Widnes being Cheshire as it only serves to further confuse people who are already totally confused about which historic county they are in. Last year the government stated they encouraged the use of and promotion of the historic counties as a point of reference as my edit reflected that, by omitting Cheshire and simply stating Widnes was in the unitary authority of Halton. With this in mind I would appreciate if my edit be reinstated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DonaldsonAC (talkcontribs) 19:47, 18 February 2016 (UTC)

OK, but I still think that Cheshire should be mentioned in the text and not just referred to in the infobox. I have amended the lead to be comprehensive and, I hope, accurate. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 20:31, 18 February 2016 (UTC)

Grade I listed churches in the East Riding of Yorkshire[edit]

Hi, just to let you know that this needs an update as St Charles Borromeo, Hull has just been elevated to Grade I status. Keith D (talk) 01:14, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

Thanks, Keith. I'll add it to my to do list. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 10:33, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

Llandaff Cathedral[edit]

Hi, aiming to get this up to GA status but struggling with the architecture details. I was wondering if you could try to write something about the architecture. I believe there's even a book on it in google books. There's this source and the listed buildings source, but most is written in architectural gobbledygook. Needs somebody to cover the details. Can you try to help? I think it can be promoted then.♦ Dr. Blofeld 12:11, 16 May 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for the invitation, but this looks complex, and due to pressures both in WP and in life, I cannot spare the time (and not sure that I am up to it anyway). Possibilities might be User:Hchc2009 or User:KJP1 who did work on Cardiff Castle, which is nearby. Best wishes for a GA. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 13:59, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
I can try to help, but I'll admit that what architectural knowledge I have is mainly on the military, vice ecclesiastical, side. That said, drop me a line on my talk page if you want me to take a stab at it. Hchc2009 (talk) 17:45, 18 May 2016 (UTC)

Listed Buildings in Walton-le-Dale[edit]

Hi, My plan for the summer (with the aid of my son) is to photograph the listed buildings on this page and upload images to wiki. I'm going to have to learn how to do it; it seems trickier than I imagined. Thanks for fixing the first one, there will be others, but my intentions are good. Andy Gutsy123 (talk) 12:04, 24 May 2016 (UTC)

It's a great plan; please continue with it. If you copy what I did, it should work. Lists look so much better when the photos are added. Good luck. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 16:48, 24 May 2016 (UTC)

Church of St Bartholomew, Orford[edit]

I was surprised that the church of Orford, Suffolk, nicely pictured, has no article, with three premieres of Britten's works given, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:58, 21 June 2016 (UTC)

Mmmm - so much to do! At present I am working on listed buildings in Northwest England. Suffolk is so far away! Cheers (I admire the work you do). --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 17:07, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
A stub would be better than nothing ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:23, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
I've done Gerda a quick stub, as thanks to both of you. KJP1 (talk) 19:07, 22 June 2016 (UTC)
Many thanks for that. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 19:55, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

Listed buildings in Derbyshire parishes?[edit]

Hi Peter – you've probably noticed that I sometimes add photos to your "Listed buildings in..." articles for Cheshire parishes when I've been out in Cheshire, but I'm based in Derbyshire so that isn't that often. I'd love to set up a similar set of articles for Derbyshire parishes, but I don't really know where to start. Did you create all your Cheshire articles by hand, or did you use some sort of database tool? I've downloaded a dataset of Listed Building data for other purposes, but it doesn't have a "parish" field in it, so I was wondering how you went about creating all your articles. I did create Listed buildings in New Mills by way of experiment, but I did it wholly by hand. Any tips most welcome. (An aside: I note you're also active on "Enriching the List" on the NHLE website, which I've just discovered. Small world!) Dave.Dunford (talk) 17:56, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

Hi,Dave. Yes, I have been quietly making lists of listed buildings, and as you will see from my user page, I have completed them for Cheshire, Merseyside and Lancashire, and am currently working through Cumbria. I make the lists by civil parish and by unparished areas. For Derbyshire, you will find these on List of civil parishes in Derbyshire. Choose a parish, then go to, click on "advanced search", and put the name of the parish in the appropriate box. Following this, I have devised a format that suits me, contains all the IMO important data, and IMO looks good. If you like it, you are most welcome to copy the idea and use it for Derbyshire lists. A recent example that you may wish to follow, and which contains most, if not all, of the info I use is at Listed buildings in Dalston, Cumbria. Having experimented with various ideas, this is the one that works best for me. IMO it contains all the info that a reader might want, and/or links to that info. In order to find the precise location of the listed buildings, and their coordinates, I use and Pleased to help with any queries. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 19:41, 22 June 2016 (UTC)


Dear Peter. I am one of the senior pastors at Northgate Church Chester. We keep finding that the page created for the church is being edited by people who seem to make comments about our theology/style/doctrine which are neither accurate or helpful. The following being the one that keeps re-appearing. "As such its theology is amorphous incorporating various elements from movements like the seeker sensitive, Name and Claim and the Prosperity gospel." I am not very proficient on Wiki so am trying my best to un-edit or re-edit as and when it gets changed. I appreciate that I may previously have put some links that didn't work properly but that is down to my lack of knowledge about the technical side of Wiki. t am assuming it is not you that making these edits as you seem to be more interested in the actual building rather than the type of church/doctrine/theology etc. I appreciate that Wiki is open for anyone to edit but this constant inaccurate re-editing by persons unknown is getting very frustrating. I assume they have set up some kind of notification system so that as soon as we delete their edits, they just come back and re-edit? Any advice you can give as to how we can deal with this would be appreciated. Many thanks, Guy Lister Gooey35 (talk) 10:44, 25 July 2016 (UTC)

Hello, Guy. Thanks for getting in touch. I too have been concerned by some of the recent edits to the pages, and was not sure what was accurate, and what was not. Now I know, and I have deleted the dubious material, and restored your own edit, referenced in the way that is acceptable to WP. Hope that is OK by you. The church is on my "Watchlist" so I am aware when alterations are made to it. Best wishes, --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 14:09, 25 July 2016 (UTC)

Wikipedia:The 10,000 Challenge[edit]

Hi there. I've started a new initiative, the Wikipedia:The 10,000 Challenge. It's a long term goal to bring about 10,000 article improvements to the UK and Ireland. Through two contests involving just six or seven weeks of editing so far we've produced over 1500 improvements. Long term if we have more people chipping it and adding articles they've edited independently as well from all areas of the UK then reaching that target is all possible. I think it would be an amazing achievement to see 10,000 article improvements by editors chipping in. If you support this and think you might want to contribute towards this long term please sign up in the Contributors section. No obligations, just post work on anything you feel like whenever you want, though try to avoid basic stubs if possible as we're trying to reduce the overall stub count and improve general comprehension and quality. So if you're working on Cheshire listing buildings or whatever anyway, just add the entries you work on to the list! Thanks.♦ Dr. Blofeld 12:09, 30 August 2016 (UTC)

Not interested, even though you're working on northwest articles anyway?♦ Dr. Blofeld 19:24, 31 August 2016 (UTC)

It's nothing to do with "not interested". I'm fully occupied in compiling lists of listed buildings in the northwest (I seem to remember your saying in the past that every parish should have such a list - well I'm doing it!). If you look on my user page you will see that Cheshire, Merseyside, and Lancashire are now complete, and I am well into Cumbria. From what date does this "Challenge" start? If it is some time in the past, you have literally hundreds of lists. If it starts around now, you will have to wait, as I am working through Appleby-in-Westmorland, which has over 140 listed buildings to identify, locate and describe. Do lists count in the Challenge? If so, I'll add this when it's complete, but it will be a few days yet. And I don't see why I should interrupt my own project for somebody else's. The present state of play is at User:Peter I. Vardy/sandbox-13, if you're interested in what I am doing. I think I am doing my bit for the northwest. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 20:22, 31 August 2016 (UTC)
Thanks for adding Listed buildings in Askham, Cumbria to Blofeld's 10,000 challenge, and many more thanks for compiling the list. I concur that you are doing your bit for the northwest in producing very high quality work such as Askham (and I'm aware of your others). A benefit of the 10,000 is in it surfacing articles so that appreciation may be shown to those who toil, as you do, on magnificent creations like Askham; and another is to encourage others to emulate your standards. These probably count as good things. --Tagishsimon (talk) 10:53, 14 September 2016 (UTC)
And thanks to you for the message. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 10:57, 14 September 2016 (UTC)

Editor of the Week [24 September 2016][edit]

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I'd like to nominate Peter I. Vardy (talk · contribs · count · logs) for this award. Peter is the model of quiet, methodical unassuming and careful article creation, with more than 100,000 contributions. 510 DYK articles, and 2075 entire articles. His creation of articles for churches, especially in the North West of England, is just stunning - there ought to be a special award just for this - but he's created plenty more besides. And it's all top quality, mostly faultless at the first appearance. My own pitiful mistake-ridden stumbling about looks meagre by comparison. He has a impressive eye for detail. An unassuming and efficient editor who has made a huge contribution. Take a look at his awards. He also deserves this one.

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Thanks again for your efforts! Kevin (aka L235 · t · c) 19:20, 24 September 2016 (UTC)

Thank you, Martin and Kevin. I feel very honoured. All I do is what I enjoy doing, and if it benefits WP and its readers, that's an additional bonus. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 19:53, 24 September 2016 (UTC)
Richly deserved. I don't think our wikipedia paths have crossed but anyone recognised by that very naughty boy has to be doing something right. Well done. And anytime you get bored with Cheshire, take a trip over the border. There's lots to be done on the listed buildings and scheduled monuments of Wales! Diolch Robevans123 (talk) 09:21, 25 September 2016 (UTC)
Many thanks, Rob. There's so much to do in England; but I do have the Buildings in Wales book on Clwyd, so maybe some time..... If you look on my user page, you may notice that I have written some articles on Welsh buildings, particularly those designed by John Douglas, and on churches run by the Friends of Friendless Churches. But I do wish that the CADW site were easier to negotiate. Cheers, --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 09:47, 25 September 2016 (UTC)
Yes - wherever you look, there's so much to do - keeps us busy! Cadw are a long way behind English Heritage. I've had some contact with them, and I think they are aware of the problem, but budget/time constraints limit them. I'd not come across John Douglas - very interesting. Robevans123 (talk) 11:12, 25 September 2016 (UTC)
Thanks for having "left behind something useful for the future". Well Done! Buster Seven Talk 11:54, 5 October 2016 (UTC)
And thank you to you for the comment. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 12:07, 5 October 2016 (UTC)

Europe 10,000 Challenge invite[edit]

Hi. The Wikipedia:WikiProject Europe/The 10,000 Challenge has recently started, based on the UK/Ireland Wikipedia:The 10,000 Challenge. The idea is not to record every minor edit, but to create a momentum to motivate editors to produce good content improvements and creations and inspire people to work on more countries than they might otherwise work on. There's also the possibility of establishing smaller country or regional challenges for places like Germany, Italy, the Benelux countries, Iberian Peninsula, Romania, Slovenia etc, much like Wikipedia:The 1000 Challenge (Nordic). For this to really work we need diversity and exciting content and editors from a broad range of countries regularly contributing. If you would like to see masses of articles being improved for Europe and your specialist country like Wikipedia:WikiProject Africa/The Africa Destubathon, sign up today and once the challenge starts a contest can be organized. This is a way we can target every country of Europe, and steadily vastly improve the encyclopedia. We need numbers to make this work so consider signing up as a participant and also sign under any country sub challenge on the page that you might contribute to! Thank you. --MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 21:09, 7 November 2016 (UTC)

ArbCom Elections 2016: Voting now open![edit]

Scale of justice 2.svg Hello, Peter I. Vardy. Voting in the 2016 Arbitration Committee elections is open from Monday, 00:00, 21 November through Sunday, 23:59, 4 December to all unblocked users who have registered an account before Wednesday, 00:00, 28 October 2016 and have made at least 150 mainspace edits before Sunday, 00:00, 1 November 2016.

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TFL notification – December 2016[edit]

Hi, Peter. I'm just posting to let you know that List of new churches by John Douglas – a list that you have been heavily involved with – has been chosen to appear on the Main Page as Today's featured list for December 26. The TFL blurb can be seen here. If you have any thoughts on the selection, please post them on my talk page or at TFL talk. Regards, Giants2008 (Talk) 00:24, 29 November 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know. I'll check it for any problems before the date. As a nice coincidence, one of the lists I started appeared last year on Christmas Day. Cheers. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 09:35, 29 November 2016 (UTC)