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Trident replacement[edit]

Hi Pickle,

I saw your message at Talk:Trident missile about the contradiction between the US and the UK policies for replacing Trident. I am currently working on International Court of Justice advisory opinion on the Legality of the Threat or Use of Nuclear Weapons, with a view to improving the legality sections of all nuclear weapon articles. I have nominated the article at WP:ACID (perhaps you might like to vote for it?), but I was also wondering whether you would like to help improve the quality of the article? I thought your background in International Relations might be a help in this. Cheers, --Jim (Talk) 19:16, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

I wrote my history dissertation on the UK nuclear weapons project and I'm probably going to write my master's dissertation on trident replacement. Have to admit I haven't got around to putting some of the knowledge and sources at my disposal to the stuff on Wikipedia. On the topic of legality, I'm not a legal bod, and stay away from the international law side of the debate. I personally don't think that if it was decided that they were "illegal" that the nuclear weapons states will give up their weapons (and the 4 unofficial NWS won't!). IMHO this is the area of top level statecraft..... But if you've got any questions about it I've got lots of stuff about the systems and the history. Pickle 19:55, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Math not Maths[edit]

Thank you — it is singular. When I was there, a contemporary was put in detention by the fearsome head L T Waddams for referring to it as the "Maths" --Cunningham 19:58, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

I don't remember it being quite that draconian (LOL) but its the little touches like that that matter;) Pickle 20:20, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Dungeness railway station[edit]

I have added a bit to you dungeness but neds a bit of copy editing -if you can try to add a bit of info to the articles rather than just saying ' is a railway station in .... Cheers Ernst Stavro Blofeld 15:49, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, infob creating, so filling in the red links. Pickle 16:02, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

London to Ashford to Dover Line[edit]

I've put this up for WP:RM to South Eastern Main Line. Simply south 19:20, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Cheers, it's been bugging me for a while ;) Pickle 19:30, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Re: TWP tage on various Kent (UK) railway related pages[edit]

Hey cool. Thanks for noting them in the first place. I've been working through Category:Unassessed rail transport articles this month making quick assessments and scouting for ideas to add to the Did you know section of Portal:Trains. Slambo (Speak) 21:26, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Kent project[edit]

Kent horse.PNG Hi fellow WikiProject Kent Member, you may have already seen this on our Kent project talk page. We are planning a small drive on the Kent article this week, 19th to 25th Feb. All we are asking is for you to read the page and talk page carefully. After digesting that information, then we would like you to make one edit.

This edit can be to either the main article or to the talk page. Something as small as a spelling, grammar or punctuation correction is all we are asking. Alternatively, make suggestions on the talk page. Which sections need a rewrite, is the section order logical, are there any questionable facts. Anything! In the words of Wikipedia, BE BOLD.

MortimerCat 19:34, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Education. Quite right. Because of my past connection with the Medway Council- I felt that a deletion could have been seen as political. Thanks for doing the deed. ClemRutter 20:10, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
 ;) Pickle 20:30, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Edits by Alphachimpbot[edit]

I see that you have caught some of the edits to the motorcycle article's talk pages too. Well spotted. He seems to have applied it to the motorcycling stubs which is a large category but should be checked, unless the Alphachimpbot contribution page would be a better way of tracking the changes. Cheers ww2censor 19:02, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

TFD Stn art lnk[edit]

note to self - respond at

Motorcycle Clubs sourcing[edit]

Hi... I had been starting to go through the full list from the "List of..." article on afd at this page that I copied, to verify them all with sources. I hadn't gotten too far before I got sidetracked. I was going to get back to it this week sometime if you wanted to grab a few. Nothing fancy... just adding some sources and little bit of clean up on each. let me know! - Denny 16:29, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Most of the clubs in the list of clubs, are not "my" sort of clubs - ie organising sporting events (the only one really is Dungannon and District Motorcycle Club - which User:Ww2censor would be best at tackling), of which there are around a thousand in the UK, and countless former club - which IMHO could be considered "notable". Anything UK side (hell even Europe or sporting) give me a shout Pickle 17:21, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
ok, thank you. I'll go through all that I can as time permits this week and will touch base with you (or the other individual) if I get hung up on any UK/European ones. - Denny 17:53, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
Nice one mate;) I can look over them but the grief I've had trying to edit the motorcycle club article with some American editors I'm avoiding the North America area! Pickle 17:58, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Are you...[edit]

Jamie Clarke? Grunners 13:00, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Shockingly I am (it's not that well hidden). And with whom do i have the pleasure of conversing with? Pickle 13:46, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
Ah, I had to guess, only fair you do to. We don't really know each other, though we have a lot of mutual acquaintances. I only sussed it when I saw your facebook photo! Grunners 20:14, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
Narrows it down to any one of the 9,000 odd students at Keele (or the recently graduated), although your contribution to the Owen Meredith non article narrows it to those aware of KUSU politics (a guess). Alternatively looking at your contributions and user pages, you are footballing friend of Andy Quayle. Either way you are from east Hampshire area. Quite where this takes me from there I'm a bit stuck - an enigma for me to toil with. Pickle 20:41, 7 March 2007 (UTC)


WP:TRAIL test by me on Sheerness Line --Pickle 19:38, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Done OK ish, still not perfect --Pickle 20:21, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
Wow, Pickle you are really making great progress (3 in one day - brilliant) with WP:TRAIL, I am very impressed with the Sheerness line diagram, but a little confused by the end of the Ashford via Maidstone East Line, I don't know the line that well, but should the last two entries be swapped over, so that Marshlink leaves then the line is SEML? Dannyboy3 22:52, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
Ahh thats lazy students for you! The problem with Ashford is that is a very large junction. While there is a symbol for 3 lines into one (which i should have used before Ashford), there is the issue of space on the right to show the numerous lines (the break tags didn't work well). After Ashford there are 4 lines forking off simultaneously (or 5, we haven't solved the Kent Coast Line dilemma yet). Its a style compromise really. Sheerness doesn't really look like it does on WP, but it was a compromise to make it look right in a 3 column table - see and This templates allows us to make editable and usable line diagrams, and i can't draw on computers so its a good compromise. Pickle 23:07, 6 March 2007 (UTC)


How does this look? A little juggling of the columns gets it all in, but not sure about whether the junction movements are correct. User:Chriscf/Kent Coast Line -- Chris cheese whine 11:40, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for that, that broadly solves it, needs a slight fiddle though - will do in a bit. Pickle 13:24, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
Only query I have is that Margate SER and Ramsgate LCDR are shown currently as "closed stations without passenger service" as opposed to "closed stations formerly with passenger service". Is this correct? Chris cheese whine 14:09, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
I see what i've done wrong, the rails have been taken up long ago so they should be "closed stations formerly with passenger service" Pickle 14:15, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
Aye, the hollow circles are apparently for things such as depots, staff halts and freight terminals. I must say these do look rather smarter than the old sidebars, especially when it came to routes which branched severely. Chris cheese whine 14:51, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
Cheers for the help ;) Pickle 14:52, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

WP:TRAIL mk2[edit]

note to self to edit other articles (cref with

see also and Wikipedia talk:WikiProject UK Railways/TRAIL


Well, i have just created Template:South Eastern Main Line. Would you say it is okay? Simply south 18:23, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

I'll have a butchers Pickle 18:36, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
Do you think all the stations between London Bridge and Orpington should be included, or would that complicate things too much? Simply south 22:32, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
Ouch, that's very long. Perhaps that should be expanded and used only on the SEML article, and a shorter one again used on each of the station articles. Chris cheese whine 23:19, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
The template seams to be specifically designed for showing copious amounts of detail, we in the UK haven't (yet) been using the milepost column but i can see editors using it soon. The German high speed line also have very long tables. Thus I've proposed over on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject UK Railways/TRAIL about the main line (WCML< ECML, et al) - if we want a template for every station's page then it could be very simplistic showing major stations, while the line page shows another that is very complex. Pickle 12:30, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
Done!, i think Pickle 17:10, 16 March 2007 (UTC)


Same again, bit more detail but do you still want to have a go at anything else. Tunnes and viaducts i don't know the name of and theres prob other details. See Template:Brighton Main Line. Simply south 13:03, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

I'll have a look ;) Pickle 14:02, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
I would advise against use of "same", in reference to junctions. Chris cheese whine 15:10, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
Thats not me, that Simply south, but i'm (very) slowly going through the SEML WP:TRAIL, and am then going to try the BML. Pickle 15:12, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
I've just changed it. Simply south 16:47, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
Might have a look tommorrow or some other time, SEML took a long time! Pickle 17:10, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
I'm trying now to work on what i can of the Brighton Main Line, although it will be of current layout and not the historical sapect. Even so, i don't think i can work everything out. Do you think i should include all stations served between all three of these terminals - Watford, Victoria, London Bridge...? Maybe the latter two.
SEML does look complicated but good. Simply south 17:17, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
I am now saying i acknowledge that for the moment, the Brighton Main Line template is in a bit of a mess. I will sort that out soon. Simply south 18:21, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
a) thanks for thanks ;)
b) IMHO the BML is London Bridge and Victoria to Brighton. Watford is the WLL, and Thameslink is well Thameslink. I'm inclined for lots of detail but the interactions with the various south lonon lines could cause real issues! Thats why i started on the smaller lines!!! Nice work
Pickle 18:35, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
OK, i have done it but i had to change things due to technical reasons.
  1. The main branch goes to the right i.e. the one from London Bridge.
  2. I have included all the stations from Charing Cross to East Croydon as some services which come to and go off the main line start from there. Therefore it may may not be true to scale.
  3. Possibly not a good idea now but i have deliberately made some minor branches different from others to try to emphasise where the trains come from towards Gatwick and Brighton. I have also included Blackfriars. Unfortunately the emphasis also shows to West Croydon.
Do you think this is all ok? I think i will leave the rest to you. Simply south 21:06, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
It's a great effort, its going to be very hard to cram much more detail into it. I'll do a few tweaks to it tommorrow. Nice work ;) Pickle 22:45, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

I now keep wondering whether Charing Cross shoould be included. The main services are from London Bridge and Victoria (and Blackfriars due to the trains from Thameslink [Which is not a secret organisation with Napolean Solo]). Erm..... however, the local services on the BML start from LB and CR. (Sorry for the above joke. I don't know why it reminds me of UNCLE). Simply south 23:03, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Southern services do only to London Bridge on that side, its only South Eastern stuff that goes beyond (and the old southeastern lines to Tatenham Corner and Catterham), so for the purposes of the BML, it could reasonably stop at London bridge. don't worry the humour is appreciated ;) Pickle 23:08, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Anyway, i have included Blackfriars still but omitted Charing Cross now. Simply south 23:39, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

OK, i given it a good go, with msn maps open, its very hard to make the details fit with only 3 columns! and some key symbols missing. Pickle 20:32, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

List of tourist attractions in Kent[edit]

Thank you for the rating Talk:List of tourist attractions in Kent, should this be a Non-article class=NA or could you rate it and add comments for improvement. I hope to keep the page away from AfD - Olive Oil -ŢάĽɮ - 11:57, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

I thought you was being brave letting that reappear again!!! Will do ;) Pickle 11:59, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
Any ideas for making it more valuable - Olive Oil -ŢάĽɮ - 12:11, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Collaboration 18th - 25th March 2007[edit]

For your info, as I know you've used the template - Olive Oil -ŢάĽɮ - 14:11, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Cheers, i've done a lot TWP tagging for my sins Pickle 14:27, 18 March 2007 (UTC)



Thanks for the contact. Sorry about that - I'm using an automated editting function; it's about 95% accurate, but seems Gillingham was unfortunate enough to be in the other 5%. Apologies. Hope you like the new infobox however! Jhamez84 23:56, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

No problem, i know what you mean ;) Pickle 14:30, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
You may wish to comment at this deletion proposal page, or take part in discussion at Template talk:Infobox UK place. Jhamez84 19:38, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Creating WP:TRAIL[edit]

I was just wondering your opinion. For long lines and main lines, do you think it is best to put them in a template on a seperate page e.g. Template:South Eastern Main Line, or on the main article page e.g. Island Line (sort of)? Simply south 21:53, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

While we haven't used the Brighton Main Line, SEML and Chatham Main Line (did that one today) as templates at each station (which is what has been done on the ECML and WCML) on the smaller lines (like island line) I've put them on the page. i think it hides code that is complex from new users and vandals, people who want to edit can work out how to edit the template (although a v-d-e might be nice). The only thing is that the template will only be sued by one page and there might be some anti orphan policy? Pickle 22:15, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

{{Rail line}}[edit]

I completely disagree with your view regarding the {{rail line}} template. I have seen how complicated the s-rail template is - I did a count of how many individual templates were required to set up the routes that had already been set up, and it came to over 80. Is this a reasonable use of resources in your opinion? I don't believe it is, especially given that individual templates need to be set up for individual routes, leading to multiple templates for each TOC. By contrast, the rail line template, and its half-dozen or so variants, can (and has) been used for any route of any operator. My further objections include the fact that the s-rail template does not sit comfortably on pages - because most of the National Rail station articles are stubs, they have a lot of white space at the bottom of the page due to the station infobox. the rail line template adapts itself to fit into the white space left by this, while the s-rail template cannot adapt itself due to the way it is set up, and so it sits at the bottom of the page leaving a large, ugly white gap. Also, s-rail is being added in apiecemeal fashion - if you are going to do this, it needs to be done to the whole network. Your argument appears to be that everything needs to be standardised. Fine, then standardise it. Do the lot, all at once, not one little piece at a time. The excuse from the individual who started all this the first time this came up was "I like to edit Wikipedia". That's fine. So do I, but I like to edit with the purpose of adding something to Wikipedia. To me, this just seems to be editing for the sake of editing. There is no valid reason I can see why s-rail is better than rail line. Saying "it's on other rail systems" is akin to saying "he's doing it so we should too". Why? If there is a valid reason why rail line should be replaced by s-rail, then please try and convince me. I am open minded and am willing to be convinced if the argument is valid, against what some people may have led yo to believe. However, I have spent the last few days editing stations on the Iarnrod Eireann network successfully using rail line - this template works, of that I am convinced. If you think I am wrong, convince me otherwise. Hammersfan 29/03/07, 12.22 BST

see Wikipedia talk:WikiProject UK Railways for a reply Pickle 01:35, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
responded at the above page. A seperate note regarding London Bridge - Services to Orpington via Grove Park generally depart from either Charing Cross or Cannon Street; London Bridge is only used as a terminus for Southeastern services after Cannon Street closes for the evening. Also, both Grove Park and Orpington are on the South Eastern Main Line. I realise that a large number of trains do terminate at Orpington (because I use Southeastern every day, either from Cannon St or Charing Cross), but I don't think having a seperate entry for this one route is necessary. All that should be needed is a box on the Orpington page stating that it is a terminus. Hammersfan 30/03/07, 09.56 BST
The inner suburban workings are a nightmare to figure out! I haven't really worked out how to grapple with "stopper" or "local" trains on main lines. Over on the WCML there are separate articles for the stopper services into Manchester from Stoke and Crewe, as well as services into Birmingham. I have no problem taking the "London Bridge to Orpington" out as the SEML article covers them. Pickle 15:44, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

North Downs Line[edit]

Hi. Could you please have a look at your most recent edit to North Downs Line?

The new sentence says: "It was built by the SER unlike over lines built by the GWR, LSWR, or LBSCR."

I'm sure there's something missing, but I haven't the foggiest what :o)

EdJogg 07:22, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Hows that now ? Pickle 16:46, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Ummmm, better...

...but it's the word 'over' that really bothers me. Do you mean 'other'??

EdJogg 17:50, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

I'm useless at things like that, and spell check doesn't picking up things like that, my mistake, sorry for any confusion caused. Pickle

Kindly STOP editing my entries on computing for SJWMS[edit]


As you are currently studying for a masters degree in 2007, I think I can safely assume that you weren't present at Rochester Mathematical School in 1990 when the events that I describe took place. Most likely you were still in primary school. I don't take kindly to having actual facts edited, and neither do my friends from that time. I would appreciate it if you left such comments INTACT, unless you have evidence to the contrary. I believe very strongly in the freedom of speech which is why I work in the telecomms sector, and quite frankly, your actions make me question why I do so. Paulg73 19:52, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

No i wasn't there in 1990, but if your going to make a controversial statement then you need to back it up with a citeable source. I can stand here and say the sky is green, but unless i cite it anyone can revert it back. You'll note all over the place on Wikipedia how various stuff is cited. I have no problem with your freedom of speech, I'm very much in favour of such a thing, but this isn't a forum, its an encyclopedia. See Wikipedia:Citing sources particularly the nutshell : "Material challenged or likely to be challenged needs a reliable source". Pickle 19:26, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

1500V d.c on LTS[edit]

Sir, just been looking at the history of List of British Rail electric multiple unit classes, and I noticed a comment by you to the effect that there was never any 1500V d.c. on the LTS. I would like to correct you on this matter. Fenchurch Street to Gas Factory Junction to Bow Junction (GE) was originally electrified at 1500 V d.c. as part of the Shenfield Electrification (using Class 306 EMU's). It was later converted to 6.25kV a.c. electrification and is now 25kV. I can give you the dates should you wish to be so informed. Sheepcot 21:08, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Thank you, i have never been able to find a source or even mention until now saying the Shenfield electrification went to Fenchurch Street., and the very detailed list at have been good references for me but don't list this, and i was under the impression that the LTS was formerly LMS and operated independently and virtually isolated from the Great Eastern Main Line (and thus its LNER designed 1500v DC system) Pickle 19:30, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Talk:West Coast Main Line#Map[edit]

Good morning (BST time); please be wary of WP:BITE, especially when dealing with Wikipedians who have less experience on Wikipedia - especially the more complicated aspects, such as templates. My reading of the above discussion is that you may have ebbed into biting Bulleid Pacific (talk · contribs · logs), which shouldn't be done.

Of course, I may have read into the discussion a bit too much, but there you are - please be patient with new editors, lest they be driven away before they get really addicted!

Kindest regards,
anthony[cfc] 00:01, 16 April 2007 (UTC)`

Appears to be a misunderstanding, see my reply at Talk:West Coast Main Line. Pickle 03:01, 17 April 2007 (UTC)


Thank you for the advice about being bold. However, i have tidied this page up on numerous occasions, it seems to be prone to becoming untidy.

I am sorry, but i did not know about the rule on Wikipedia which concerns deleting on talk pages. Thanks for letting me know! Please note however that I did not delete it as vandalism, but because I honestly thought that there was no longer any point on the text remaining.

Dewarw 20:29, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

No problems ;) Pickle 05:46, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Your s-rail dispute with Hammersfan[edit]

Hi there, I understand you were involved in a dispute with Hammersfan with regard to use of the s-rail template, during the course of which the user reverted many of your edits. It therefore might be of interest to learn of the implications of the users actions. Please read the messaage I have left on his talk page for an explanation. I'm somewhat annoyed about the extra work his actions have required me to do. Adambro 19:59, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Just thought I better mention that Hammersfan has now removed my message from his talk page so you'll have to check out this diff to understand what I'm talking about. I hope he's taken the time to read the message and will act accordingly in future. Adambro 21:48, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
Me and Hammersfan seam to have agreed to disagree (or hold it on ice)... The way it's been handled is to talk about it at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject UK Railways where we are awaiting consensus on what should be done. No one else has dared to come down on either side really so the UK seams to be lagging behind other nations (eg the US, etc) who have adopted the "s-rail" over "rail line" templates. I'm not 100% happy with the situation but as its arcane and extremely technically i can't really be arsed at the moment to have a full blow argument over this, and intend to get on with other stuff. ;) Pickle 06:40, 23 April 2007 (UTC)


hey mate, sorry about putting signature on those pages, will not happen again. Enduro446 17:08, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

No problems mate, its a learning curve around here ;) Pickle 01:28, 11 May 2007 (UTC)


I have put these 3 on commons-- consider them to be a Mid May present.

ClemRutter 13:08, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks ;) Pickle 13:11, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

John Brunt V.C. (public house)[edit]

A little while ago you reviewed the John Brunt V.C. (public house) article and rated it as "Start" class. Can I just check what needs to be done to move it up toi the next level? Many thanks for your time. -- JediLofty User ¦ Talk 16:15, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Assessment isn't really my thing, i can tell when something is or isn't a "stub", and when its progressed to "start", but values beyond that ("B" & "A") are more complex while others ("GA" and "FA") have to be done by the relevant panels. See Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Assessment for more info. I'm not confident that it meets the leap between "start" and "B" for such a new article that hasn't had many contribution and editors. But by all means ask someone else as i really feel unqualified to make judgements in this field, as presumably any article can make "FA" eventually. Pickle 18:21, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Motocross: 4t vs 2t[edit]

Is it really necassary to mention that 2 strokes use mixed gas in the middle of that section of the article? I agree that it is an aspect of the 4t/2t debate, but I don't think that that is the place to mention it. For instance, why not mention that two-strokes don't require an oil pump?

IMHO it depends how one approaches the topic of MX. Many will encounter the ongoing and somewhat strange debate of two stroke vs fourstrokes, and will want to know more about it. Another choice of word to within one sentence, to summarise the 2T vs 4T debate and why its key to MX (and what the actual difference is) would be great, but the current version has withstood the test of time, but I'm open to improvements ;) Pickle 04:23, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Maidstone East Line[edit]

I know that you were not keen on the change of name, and perhaps it didn't get the debate it needed, but I guess that democracy in action. However, for you to go and change all of the pages that linked to it in order to avoid the re-direct(which I would have done), and in spite of your reservations, is a very gentlemanly act, and I take my hat off to you. Sir, you have earnt my respect, and I hold my glass up to you and say ... cheers. Canterberry 20:30, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

That's democracy for you. One of my pet gripes is pages that get moved, yet no one fixes the redirects. Thanks Pickle 13:08, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

ASDA employee[edit]

Hi. You replaced the image and I disagreed. However I was going to leave it. But another user has removed it and I agree. If it was a worker packing out shelves, serving a customer or inputting data I think it would be a great addition. However somebody humped over a counter reading a newspaper is not what ASDA pay people to do. As is it just looks like a lazy ASDA employee has taken a vanity picture of himself and slapped it on here. Sorry, it's not encyclopedic. Mark83 23:35, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

A very good point, but the pic is all we have of ASDA employees. I don't like the pic as its someone lounging about, and undoubtedly uploaded for vanity reasons. If one was into talking about fashions and uniforms I'm sure something encyclopedic could be said about this pic showing a certain era (2003 to 2007) of uniforms. Pickle 13:49, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Disused railway stations in London[edit]

Although I've been arguing against it, as you seem to be the other main editor on London's disused stations at the moment, do you think it should be split to borough level? My case against has been that the boroughs are so small, it would lead to a lot of Category:Disused railway stations in Redbridge type categories with only one or two entries, but if you think it would be useful I'm more than willing to reconsider iridescent (talk to me!) 21:24, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

(Q1) Does anyone, apart from the people who live in London, and have to pay the Council Tax really know which Borough any station is in. Let alone the disused ones? (A1) Nobody. (Q2) Does anyone really care which London Borough a disused station is in? (A2) No. (Q3) Does the average WP person, wanting to know about disused stations in London need, let alone want, to know what Borough it is in? (A3) NO. Seriously, I have worked in London all my life (17+ years to be precise), and I do not know where one borough starts and ends. I am also a career railway engineer, and have been involved in many projects in London, and apart from the need to obtain planning permissions, I have never seen the need to know which borough a station is in. So, knowing which borough a disused station is in, makes me all dizzy. Being serious again, I doubt that 1 in 100 people would need (or want) to know this detail. Categorizing things is all very well, but it must a "means to an end". Canterberry 21:53, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
Sorry i think I've been slightly misunderstood (or maybe I wasn't clear) . On a station (ie open) level, the old stations in London cat was overpopulated (is that the right word?) to be really useful, and splitting it down further but within the same parent cat seams a far way of sorting them.
Specifically on disused station, while the current cat is not too big, so no need yet to split it down to the borough level, pages like List of closed railway stations in London seam long and i think maybe at some point in the future there will be more (especially if we cross referenced with Closed London Underground stations) possibly requiring a further breakdown. Its not an area that I've been aggressively perusing, but there are closed stations "out there" not covered.
On the relevance of the borough level split, i tend to agree. Other than the areas of London i know (South east), the rest of the 32 boroughs means little to me, but it is an agreed (worldwide even) geographical split that works, in the most uncontroversial way.
Pickle 14:22, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

How about splitting them in one of the following ways;

North / South of the river By BR Region or post-Grouping company By decade during which they fell out of use 22:49, 9 July 2007 (UTC)James

All plausible, but is there are precedent for this? What i mean, is the geographical break appears a Wikipedia wide standard that is non controversial as possible. The problem with these is that while they undoubtedly work (this template - {{tl:Closed stations east london}} - is a great example) do these really work for people who don't know these terms eg the old railway companies, or London's north-south distinction, etc. Any answer here is fraught with difficulties. Pickle 04:32, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Salfords station[edit]

As far as I am aware no comment has been made about the london bridge service being handed over to First capital connect, so I am not sure why this has been changed. The thameslink project just states that two trains an hour will be added to horsham calling at stations from redhill.sailor iain 09:25, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

As i understand it from Thameslink Programme, TFL and Network Rail the current Thameslink run by FCC will be rapidly expanded joining up the former WAGN services out of Kings Cross and Thameslink services into Moorgate with Southern and Southeastern services, particularly many that currently run into London Bridge. I'm not sure on the exact service breakdowns, as they intend to keep some terminating platforms at London Bridge. Pickle 15:09, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
Unfortunately until it has been confirmed, you can not mention it as a fact on the wiki. The same is also true of the removal of the highspeed link comment on the london to brighton line. Regardless of the third rail limitation the line is ideal for high speed line. sailor iain 10:53, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
a) Thameslink & BML - Every article on Thameslink, be it our own Thameslink Programme, the official site [1] or TFl's (which is obviously critical of aspects of the project) [2] give every indication that the whole point of the project is to tie together south and north London rail services by removing terminating services. the services are all listed on these links. While its not 100% certain, there is always a caveat with future infrastructure.
b) See High-speed rail in the United Kingdom, the Brighton Main Line RUS [3], the current Network Rail Business Plan [4] for the Brighton Main Line, etc, etc. Line speed is not the problem for the BML as listed in all these reports, its fast to slow line crossing services and platform availability (hence the Gatwick express change). Technically third rail can't go above 100mph reliability. All talk about "high speed" rail lines in the UK (thats 125mph+) centres on intercity routes such as the WCML, ECMl, MML, XC and GWML, the south east doesn't get a look in. Thus mention of "the line is ideal for high speed line" is complete cobblers.
On one hand your proclaiming the need for total certainty relating to future infrastructure (and probable citation), yet in the same breath your from rampant unsourced speculation. Sorry mate i just don't get you. Pickle 15:43, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
A little off topic, but the reason why Thameslink is needed (but seldom stated explicitly) is to accommodate more trains and longer trains (12-car). The basic fact is that terminus stations such as Charing Cross, Cannon Street, and Victoria, simply do not have enough platforms to accommodate an increase in services, and/or not enough of them are 12-car length, and the stations cannot be expanded in a cost-effective manner. Having said that, the scheme is (IMHO) a crock, as the idea of getting 24 trains from various parts of Kent and Sussex to go down a Victorian sewer (sorry, tunnel) is quite ludicrous. Canterberry 20:51, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
I can definitely see that argument ;) - "They" say that Crossrail can only have two branches at each end due tthe need for a "a robust timtable" but thameslink is going to gets loads of brnaches ... Pickle 11:32, 29 June 2007 (UTC)


Moved to Talk:High Speed Two Pickle 15:27, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

HS2 note[edit]

If it is accepted with most, if not all, aspects included (inc double-deck trains) then maybe this could be changed. Simply south 17:15, 29 June 2007 (UTC)


Hi Pickle,

Many thanks for your assessment of Northern Counties Committee. Pleasantly surprised at how prompt you were; I'm quite new to Wikipedi and didn't know how long it would take. Geologue 00:38, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks you. I ,for my sins, keep an eye out on assessment part of any UK related TWP items ;) Pickle 09:34, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Cuckoo Line[edit]

I've just moved it. Simply south 20:09, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Cheers mate, Pickle 09:35, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Lead image in Motorcycle[edit]

While I generally agree with you on following the policy for thumbnail images, see Wp:mos#Images and the last sub-bullet point under the part about image size. Lead images are exempted from the policy. I think the lead in Motorcycle should be larger because the default preference that most users have would not be clear that there are several motorcycles in the image. The larger size does. I see that User:Ww2censor has already reverted your edit. I hope this clears things up. Happy editing! Malber (talk contribs) 11:49, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Fair enough ;) Pickle 02:32, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

edit sumaries[edit]

When editing an article on Wikipedia there is a small field labeled "Edit summary" under the main edit-box. It looks like this:

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Filling in the edit summary field greatly helps your fellow contributors in understanding what you changed, so please always fill in the edit summary field, especially for big edits or when you are making subtle but important changes, like changing dates or numbers. Thank you.  — superbfc talk | cont ] — 15:18, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

I have noticed, but please accept my apologies if on an occasion i neglected to complete the edit summary. Pickle 02:31, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

SR West Country and Battle of Britain Classes[edit]

Hello, Pickle. Considering that you have an interest in the South-East of England regarding your railway interests, could I be so bold as to invite you to undertake a peer review of the above article? I am hoping to submit it for GA status once suggestions have improved the article enough for this to happen. The pages are as thus:

Please feel free to make any suggestions in order to improve the article. Thanks, --Bulleid Pacific 18:25, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

Thank you kindly for asking, a quick perusal of the article doesn't lead me to make any immediate comments. All i can really think of is some of the terms in the introduction are very specific to inhabitant of the British Isles with some knowledge of UK history (eg RAF might be best as "Royal Air Force" or even the "British Royal Air Force" and likewise "Southern Railway" to be explained as one of four train companies in Great Britain during the grouping (1923-48) period, etc. Pickle 19:19, 28 July 2007 (UTC)


Hi, I don't understand why you removed the motorcycle club category from this article. While the AMA isn't a normal club in its own right, it is the body that represents a lot of club's interests in the USA, and thus I think you'll agree it merits categorisation in teh same block. The issue of the non-AMA clubs & what makes club a club is being discussed here: CfD and you might like to add your tuppenth-worth to it. Regards, Ephebi 09:54, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

Maybe we should have a cat for governing bodies. What I'm getting at is the AMA isn't strictly a club, although it does as you say it does, and represents clubs, etc. Similarly i wouldn't be jumping up and down for the UK equivalents - the ACU, AMCA and others aren't in the same cat, although if we want the AMA to be in then lets put them all in, but really i think they are best left in "motorcycle organisations". I'll look in on the CFD as well ;) Pickle 16:24, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
hi - I've re-applied the category to American Motorcyclist Association but this time used a '*' to place it at the top of the list with the other special caes. Will this do the trick? If not then feel free to revert it. From my knowledge of its structure I wouldn't think that the ACU could be treated in the same way - though I don't know enough about the AMCA to comment on them. Thanks for the CfD comments BTW. Ephebi 00:34, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
No problem, all I'm getting at is that all governing bodies (there is only 4 others, i think, with wiki articles) are the same (ie made up of clubs) so they are all the same. IF and when we get more articles then by all means we should create another cat, but given the two CFD's currently running i'ld lay low on that one! Pickle 00:37, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
the wierd thing is that when you join one of the bigger clubs or owner groups etc, in the USA they often throw in an AMA 'membership' at the same time. Coming from the UK I wondered why this should be forced on me, but in this way the club can provide a range of services to their members like rescue & recovery that are otherwise quite hard to get in a big place like the USA. Its not just about the motorsports, which is, IMO, a lesser part of their overall function. Ephebi 00:44, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
The AMA is different than other governing bodies in that it was formed by not just clubs but industry, and is still largely made up of industry entities as well. The AMA also engage in lobbying and other stuff beyond what traditional governing bodies do elsewhere (ie they do what the BMF and MAG do over here). I view it from a motorcycle sport perspective, while obviously others are coming at it from a different angle. Pickle 01:27, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
  • riding can be very different in the US - I had to ride for four hours before I got to any roads with a half-decent curve! Until then everything was at 90degrees. Dull. Hence their prediliction for straight line dragsters. The AMA reflects this in the way it deals with its members, if you look at its web magazine its all about long rides on stable long tourers with big seats & cruise controls. Its method of lobbying is a bit more corporate as well, a far cry from MAG 8-) Ephebi 07:44, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Motocross des Nations[edit]

Pickle, get in touch with someone you know (photographer whose nickname starts with mx) about an Everts image that can be used freely. That a non-Des Nations pic is used purely to advertise Carmichael is not on... *grumble*

Everts at the 2006 MXDN

—Preceding unsigned comment added by (talkcontribs)

Everts on the MX1 podium at the 2004 British GP (Arreton, IOW).

Its not up to me to go begging to my good friend to release some of his work into the public domain when its his job to try and sell the pics. My personal collection is crap due to me being busy at events and my camera at the time being rather naff!. But how is this pic. Shockingly i've no pics of the MXDN last year on me here, and the handful of namur in 2001 are really low res. I might be able to chase some ... The issue of copyright around here is complex and i try and avoid it! Pickle 00:31, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

It was a suggestion... since he's already indicated that he's happy to provide it (but doesn't want to go through the pesky Wiki account signup just to upload a pic. Come on Jamie... you know it makes sense. :D —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talkcontribs)
Ohh it requires lots of digging about how it can be done in a kosher way, and all the copyright stuff is a real maze (I'll do some looking). I don't want to put it up for one of the copyright hawks around here to take it down. Also our mutual friend from the southern hemisphere would have to chose which one of the multitude of licenses he would like it licenced for. Pickle 04:26, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
Try reading the options at Commons:Copyright tags and Commons:Licensing but also think about hosting it on en rather than commons (it get very complex) Pickle 07:39, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
Esp this one Commons:Email templates Pickle 07:40, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Potteries Loop Line map[edit]

Thanks for sorting this out. I've been cobbling together bits and pieces of that article because I can't figure out for the life of me how a line ever ran on this route, despite living in The Potteries! Goose 08:19, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

When i first arrived up here (as a Kent native) i was shocked by the number of closed lines. With some digging on sites like old maps and using maps sites like flashearth i was able to work out some of it. However it appears there are many other lines, as well as numerous mineral lines it can get really confusing. Pickle 17:28, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

SR West Country and Battle of Britain Classes[edit]

I have noted your point, and have attempted a compromise as regards Southern England, South East England and South West England. And I have also undertaken the clarifying of the information you have given above. Thank you.--Bulleid Pacific 13:18, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

 ;) Great work your doing there. Pickle 13:24, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject UK Trams Banners[edit]

I know there are loads of banners - can you help by putting them into one, using parameters? Also, more parameters need adding to the main one - can you help with this? Bluegoblin7 18:38, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

I'm afraid its way beyond my technical know how - i can see in the banner code how it might work, but i really don't understand it enough I'm afraid - good luck! Pickle 21:59, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Lordship Lane (Haringey)[edit]

Certainly not going to lose any sleep over it, but how can this warrant uprating to a B-class? It consists entirely of a six-line essay and a laundry-list of every building on the street iridescent (talk to me!) 23:02, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

I think all the photos of different architectural styles and the old maps, etc all showing the progression, urban (suburban?)-ization of the area, etc all offer a certain scope to do a lot of things with the article. IM***H***O a "stub" is the one sentence type article (y is a village in x county, england) - "start" build from that, maybe one pic, no refs, etc. Thus to me "B" is an article of some length (ie more than a few paragraphs), some inline refs, and the presence of lots of maps and photos (that are relevant) demonstrates something tangible to work with. But once an article gets to B, that when the real "wikiwork" start, transforming an article above "B" to "GA", "A", and even "FA" requires editors to jump through lots of hoops and adherence to all the various policies. At the end of the day it could pass for a "start" considering there isn't really much critical analysis actually going on in the article... Pickle 23:12, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Westerham Valley Branch Line[edit]

Thanks alot for all your help on my first article, it's much appreciated. Ravenseft 10:30, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

No problem mate, nice work! ;) Pickle 10:50, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Sussex WP template[edit]

I think I've fixed it - can you have a look at the articles it was causing a problem in to see if it looks fixed to you? DuncanHill 10:46, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Appears to be fixed from my end, Thanks very much!!! Pickle UK 10:49, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
Glad to help - and somewhat surprised that I could! Templates usually terrify me! DuncanHill 10:51, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
No problem, i've some skill in that department but the code in that is really something else!!! Pickle 10:52, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

re TOC changover[edit]

I'm willing to help on any topics like that when the 11th of nobvember comes Mark999 18:31, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Cheers mate ;)



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St Albans Abbey Line[edit]

Removing a line from the "List of Railway LInes in Great Britain" because you do not know where it belongs, is it not an excuse for remiving it altogether! If you question its correct location, then put a question mark after it (?) or even a note (I think, this might be wrong). Removing it is not good practive IMHO.Canterberry 12:17, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

If one looks at List of railway lines in Great Britain#Central England, you will see I've moved the Abbey flyer from London (which as far as i can tell only lists lines solely in London, rather than lines the are part in London ), as as far as i can gather its in Hertfordshire, not London. now that raises the tricky issue of where then to put it. i plumped for "central england" because the only region giving a definition (east of england) doesn't cover this line, and presumably with the chiltern lines in the central england section here is as good as any place to put it (that and the other WCML oddball line, the marston vale is here as well).
Hope that answers your query
Pickle 12:49, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
This is my personal opinion but I think the St Albans Abbey line makes more sense treated as a London line, even though it's in Herts; since the closure of the connection to what's now the Midland Main Line, it's sole role is as a feeder service to the London & Gatwick commuter routes via Watford, and it's operated by Silverlink (RIP) as a "Metro" line. I know it's anomalous, but no more so than the Chesham shuttle iridescent (talk to me!) 13:25, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
On that i complete agree. I was wadeing along, trying to solve a category problem we've got, experimenting with the small selection of railway line in London, and the Abbey line suddenly stuck me as the odd one out. Thus i looked at where to put it, and the central england section is actually, as you note a really bad place, but on our current division of great Britain its the only place. Which makes me think we need a better idea .....
Pickle 14:41, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
If you're going by official region, it should technically be in East of England. That no-one in Hertfordshire has ever thought of themselves as East Anglian, any more than people in Southampton would describe themselves as being in South East England is beside the point - The Government Is Never Wrong iridescent (talk to me!) 15:00, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
Ahh but that's the problem with our split of the "railway lines in great Britain". some splits like Scotland and Wales we can't argue with. the rest are very arbitrary. its not by the government regions (don't go there on their rights or wrongs). The south eastern one is quiet good because its the old southern region of BR / southern railway (and the rail fans down here can cope with that as its a logical way to access the info and divide the lines up). Then there is the GWR region (perfect).But the central one doesn't work in this specific example, and the northern one is very catch all IMHO. So the real question is how have we divided up the country ??? Pickle 15:09, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
Lobby LUL to add it to the Met once the tube takes over the Croxley Green branch (which would proabably actually make sense) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Iridescent (talkcontribs) 15:07, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
I'm sur i've read a page on alwaystouchout (TFL projects) where red ken would like to get his hands on the "metro" services that "stray" out of his balliwack. i'm not so convinced .... Pickle 15:11, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

If I were running TFL, I'd merge the Metropolitan & District lines, the former Silverlink Metro lines & the future Overground lines into a single network along the lines of Berlin's S-Bahn lines - it's only an accident of history that the Met ever joined LT in the first place iridescent (talk to me!) 15:20, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

I've determined that the East of England includes Hertfordshire, so I have moved the St Albans Abbey Branch from "Central England" to "Eastern England".Canterberry 20:50, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

If consensus is that its a geographical region rather than some old BR division of the country then I'll go with that. Pickle 21:39, 20 September 2007 (UTC)


More to follow. I have just discovered Commonist see Clem Rutter Commons Gallery , and blue skies lead to good pictures.ClemRutter 22:38, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

List of current systems for electric rail traction[edit]

Hi Pickle, as I have written on Talk:List of current systems for electric rail traction, I don't understand why London Underground can not be included into the "DC, two electric rails for current supply" paragraph. Coccodrillo 17:09, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

give me a few days and i'll get back to you. i'm on a last minute push on my disertation ;) 17:13, 16 September 2007 (UTC) (Pickle not logged in!)
I agree. London Underground is listed as a Conductor Rail system (non-standard voltage). This is quite valid, but you are quite right in that it is a special/unusual system in that it uses two rails for the electricity supply. On this basis, I will be moving it. Canterberry 00:56, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
I'm not familiar with Wikipedia's Tables, but Milan could be added after London in the last table. Milan's line 1 uses four rails, it's +750V from the side rail (contact is by side of the rail and not by the top as in London), and 0 V from the central rail (return current). Coccodrillo 07:19, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
Table has been amended. I have ordered the table by country at this time, but would normally use voltage as the primary index for sorting.Canterberry 18:44, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
Cheers for sorting this out in my absence ;) Pickle 18:31, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Wealden Line[edit]

I've now finished the Wealden Line article, and just wanted to get back to you about the overlaps with other articles that you flagged up. I think for the Three Bridges to Tunbridge Wells, I'm in the clear - it only briefly mentions Wealden in the context of the Eridge to TW section. Re the Oxted Line, it's only covering the route to Uckfield because of the removal of the line to Lewes. Once this is re-built (as now seems likely), the Oxted Line will revert to its previous state - i.e. with an East Grinstead terminus, as per the Croydon, Oxted and East Grinstead Railway, of which no mention is made in the Oxted article!! May I create the WL article? Thanks. Ravenseft 20:09, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

a) Another bloody great article you've done there.
b) as for the "confusion" in the area (Oxted Line, Three Bridges to Tunbridge Wells, Wealden Line, Cuckoo Line and even Spa Valley Railway) thanks for clearing that up. I don't know the area well enough to have been bold enough to have made a decision either way that really might have upset someone.
c) Oxted line - that makes more sense, tyeing Oxted Line to the Bluebell railway, i previously thought it was just some Network SouthEast branding thing ;)
Pickle 18:57, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the vote of confidence :) If you have any ideas for articles or those which need improvement, I don't mind giving it a go. Ravenseft 17:12, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
Well there are lots. On my too do list (to create) is SER's Headcorn branch line, SER Isle of Grain line (inc Allhallows on sea branch) and SER's Medway Towns branch (I've found scant if any info on this one), while (to improve) is the Sheppey Light Railway, Elham Valley Railway, Crystal Palace and South London Junction Railway and Greenwich Park branch - thats just within Kent really. It's all a bit long term work, so have a look at what you fancy and i'll try and help out ;) Pickle 17:51, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
I'm having a look into the Isle of Grain line, not sure whether it should all be in one Hundred of Hoo Railway article or split between that and an Allhallows Branch Line article. Re the Headcorn branch, the same kind of question again arises - develop Rother Valley Railway or re-use their route template in something new? There would also be an overlap with the KESR. Ravenseft 11:38, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
a) Grain - depending upon how much stuff you have avlaible to you then sure it could be in two articles
b) Headcron - my mistake, i meant to say SER Hawkhurst branch. See Kent rail map, Sub Brit - Hawkhurst, Sub Brit - Cranbrook, Sub Brit - Goudhurst and Sub Brit - Horsmonden.
god luck ;) Pickle 11:50, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
Hundred of Hoo Railway article now up and running :) I have material for the Hawkhurst branch and will make a start soon. Btw, I saw you were after photos for Spencer Road Halt, I have a couple which I took at the weekend, would you be interested - its mainly overgrown track though. Ravenseft 09:20, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
Hawkhurst Branch plus stations now created. Just noticed that there is also this recent much shorter article on the same subject. Merge? I've created a route map for Elham and will add in the stations soon. Decided also to create Coulsdon North when I found some nice pics, but not sure where to put it on the Brighton Main Line. Ravenseft 17:45, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Cotswold line[edit]

Hi, a few days ago I changed the heading of the diagrammatic map at Corby railway station, which described the Kettering to Oakham line as the "Cotswold line". Given that this line is nowhere near the Cotswolds, I guessed it was an error for "Corby line". However, I see you have now changed it back to "Cotswold line". Can I ask where you are getting this name from? It seems highly bizarre geographically! Vilĉjo 21:50, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

An extremely good question form astute observation. I was editing Oakham to Kettering Line, where it is called "Cotswold line", to update details in the route map, i didn't think to look at the header and just copy and pasted it across. As to why it is, i have no idea, as Cotswold Line is actually another rail line altogether. I'm changing it back, and apologies for effectively (yet inadvertently) reverting your edit. Pickle 18:38, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
I think i can answer that. I was copying the code from the other line and formatting it for this one and i think i forgot to change the name. :( Simply south 18:50, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
I suspected as much, but panic not, an easy mistake to make ;) Pickle 18:52, 20 September 2007 (UTC)


Can i direct you to the template where the new layout was discussed, where i have asked a question on freight and disused lines? Simply south 20:05, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Catching up after a few days off, what page inparticular ??? Pickle 20:07, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
It was a while back. Q is at Template talk:Railway lines in South-East England, specifically Template talk:Railway lines in South-East England#Freight and disused lines.. Simply south 20:08, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
Given you my tupence worth ;) Pickle 21:36, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

rail info box[edit]

why is'nt it allowed? and i prefer the old station boxes to the new ones. Mark999 22:41, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

The "towards" bit, is in the temaplte known as "s-rail" template. after how shall i best put it, some long and heated disputes. the consensus was that the UK railway station pages would stick with the "rail line" template. personally i think the s-rail template rocks, and i've used it elsewhere, the tube uses it, lots of american cites use it, etc but you've got to go with the consensus.
there are lots of debates at places like Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Trains and Wikipedia talk:WikiProject UK Railways where these things are decided.
recently there has been some talk about how rail line shoul d be alyed out, and what information should be shown
Pickle 22:48, 20 September 2007 (UTC)


If she (or her socks) continue to try to edit-war on the templates, let me know. I am extremely reluctant to block the accounts while Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/Lucy-marie is still underway as it would deprive her of the chance to defend her actions, but since I've no involvement in the templates I'll have no compunctions about blocking The Wrong Versions until the debate is settled iridescent (talk to me!) 19:40, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

AFAIK i haven't seen aything but i'm working slowy through a few days worth of watchlist, now i'm no longer at uni (and i took a few days off to move and nad work in, etc) ;) I'll post something in a days or sos time if something shows up, but i'm all for assumiong good faith et al. Pickle 23:43, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Isle of Wight railway stations[edit]

Yes, they are a fascinating subject. Am at present reading a great book about the system called "Once upon a line"- has filled me in on a few things I didn't know. Bashereyre 19:57, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

P.S Have you ever heard of a 1960s motocross rider called Bryan Goss- when I used to go to scrambles with my dad he used to win everything?

a) ;)
b) way before my time i'm afriad, and the history of Motocross/scrambling isn't as well documented as it could be (and is not my area of expertice). More than likely my father or others in my club would know (my club ran several of the TV scrambles of the 1960s).
Pickle 22:41, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

What Up Dill?[edit]

hey man it seems you are quite busy,however if you arent or if you would like a change,howsabout help on the Grant Langston Page,he doesnt have one and there is a musician with the same name that does,ive added a direct copy of his bio/career to the talk page of it,but as i said its not his page so anyone looking wouldnt know who he is,now with a 250 championship i think he at least deserves a wikipage,im not good with the format but as you can tell i am very profficant with the art of language,although i cannot spell up to my potential,my word are easily in closing i am willing to rewrite the article so itsnot plagerism as long as i can get help in the creation of the article. either way...dont let your meat loaf.(indiana hillbilly joke there)

Four Tildes FOUR TILDES 16:58, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

What i'll do is move the current page to something like Grant Langston (Musician), recreate Grant Langston as a "dab" page (disambiguation) and then turn some of the talk page into Grant Langston (Motorcyclist). We've got to whatch the plagerism issue, but notablilty is not a problem. As for busy, keep me out of trouble ;) Lots of intrests in many pies (when i'm not ridding, putting on events, etc). Pickle 22:52, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Broad Street on NLL[edit]

I use IE - I've posted an image of how the collapsible section looks on Photobucket, which can be seen here. Hammersfan, 28/09/07, 10.38 BST

I've asked here. Pickle 00:02, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
Yep - there are line breaks at every collapsible section Hammersfan, 09/10/07, 23.11 BST
ohh, i had, had the thought it might have been dad coding on the NLL, but thats knocks that one for six! back to square one. Pickle 22:13, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Crossrail boxes[edit]

You may need to go through Special:Contributions/Lisa666 as Stratford's by no means an isolated case. As there seem to be a lot of bad-faith accusations flying around, I'd recommend getting a consensus at WP:UKT and/or WP:LT, otherwise there probably be an edit-war. iridescent (talk to me!) 22:43, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Already (slowly) working though them. I'm a very good natured, trusting, etc (ie WP:AGF) - i hope - but like you i strongly suspect a sockpuppet. On this case (future infastructure, esp cross rail) this issue has been long debated so pleanty of consensus to point to. Pickle 22:46, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Kemptown branch and line distances[edit]

Have we abandoned distances then?... (SouthernElectric 21:39, 5 October 2007 (UTC))

My apologies good sir, a typographical error on my part ;) Pickle 21:42, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
It also broke the nice layout I had, route map was also more or less the same size as the station info box, never mind... :( SouthernElectric 21:45, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
Ohh, it looks the same here (using firefox 1.5 today) Pickle 21:55, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
Well in my copy of Firefox (v. and IE6 the width has reduced by a little less than the "[Edit]" boxes since what ever you did! (SouthernElectric 22:13, 5 October 2007 (UTC))

CfD Famous Motorcyclists[edit]

Hi, this category was proposed for deletion a few days ago - given your previous interesting contributions about biking topics, I wondered if you'd be interested in expressing an opinion before it expires? Ephebi 10:43, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Sorry i missed that one, have been busy with "real life" motorcycling realted activites. Pickle 15:31, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

British TOCs template[edit]

Just to let you know discussion has taken place, which has resulted in a new design for the British TOCs template, for possible implementation on November 11th. Your comments, opinions and suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks, --Jorvik 21:03, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Been busy in the "real world" recently, slowly catching up ;) Pickle 17:58, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

London Midland Sub-brands[edit]

Pages have been created for the LM Sub-brands (express and City). Your help in getting these pages up to scratch would be appreciated. Thanks, Dewarw 17:27, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

Been busy in the "real world" recently, slowly catching up ;) Pickle 17:58, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

West Costway Line[edit]

Pickle, could you review what has happened and your thoughts regarding taking the article forward, or indeed back, in particular my comment here. Either reply here or on my talk page, I'm watching both. Many thanks SouthernElectric 19:58, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

FFS i go away for a few days working on other things and WW3 erupts. Really speaking i wasn't too fussed how the west coastway debate turned out, i've got an opinion on what i think it should be, but i'm not fussed really one way or anther. This isn't an issue i feel passionately about so ..... - i reply on with some thought on the west coastway article. Sorry that this what i had thought was nice civil encyclopaedia editing degenerated into a farce, i really don't know what to say. Pickle 20:49, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
You might be interested in my further thoughts, in reply to a message left by Britmax, on my talk page. SouthernElectric 12:28, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
My thoughts on the dispute with Canterberry, are that while I've been on Wikipedia a while, I've not really been involved in many dispute that have led to admin intervention (I can think of only two others) and thus to me a life ban (that what it appears to be to me) is going nuclear. IMHO I've seen much worse punished with much less (Pigsonthewing or whatever the guy's name was springs to mind), but i'm not an admin so i'm going to jump though the hoops to alter what has happened.
as to moving forward on the west coastway, i'm easy going to go with the flow on what others think.
Pickle 12:49, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Merge discussion for Track marshall, etc. articles[edit]

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Comment desired[edit]

Your input would be very much appreciated at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject UK Railways#S-rail redux. Thanks, Mackensen (talk) 17:28, 14 November 2007 (UTC)


I'm not sure what to make of this. A relatively new user, Kevin Steinhardt (talk · contribs), has forked {{s-rail-start}} and {{s-rail}} specifically for trams: {{tramlink start}}. He's also replaced all the headers on the Tramlink articles (which is how I noticed). There might be something said for allowing customization of the header, but I think a fork like this is harmful in the end. Your thoughts? Mackensen (talk) 02:14, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

There's {{tramlink insert}} as well, previously deleted by TfD. Mackensen (talk) 02:19, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Tovil stations[edit]

See the page and talk for Maidstone West railway station for more details of the two stations. Mjroots 21:42, 2 December 2007 (UTC)


Do you think the list of all the colours of the TOCs should be a sub-section of WP:Rail or a list in it self? Or not really? Simply south (talk) 19:44, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Disused railway route infobox[edit]

If you're around, I would really appreciate your common sense view in the debate here - Wikipedia talk:WikiProject UK Railways#Disused.2FHistorical route info template - relating to the use of the "Historical Railways" or "Disused Railways" template for closed lines/stations. Ravenseft (talk) 21:43, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Metric vs imprial system[edit]

Just a heads up that I've noticed that Lucy-marie has brought this old chestnut up again on the West Coastway Line talk page again. SouthernElectric (talk) 15:14, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Please be aware I am trying to undertake a way of standardisation of the untis used rather than the remaining hodgepodge that we curently have.--Lucy-marie (talk) 20:04, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
There is a standard for the measurements of distance on the railways of the UK, imprial... SouthernElectric (talk) 20:30, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

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A Motorcycle Wiki[edit]

Hey Pickle UK, Here's an opportunity to put your expertise on motorcycles to more work. Cycle Chaos is a Wiki-styled web site that needs a lot of help from people who love bikes and can contribute more information and even more manufacturers. There's virtually no problems with administrators and it seems free to edit without any trouble. You seem to be someone who can offer some content, images, categories, that may be lacking. My user page is: Cycle Chaos, Noles1984 so stop by and say hello and see if you can be of help. Thanks. Noles1984 (talk) 17:44, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

Rochester Maths[edit]

I have been vandal chasing, and happened on the Maths school site itself. Is it on your watch list- I have attached a cleanup tag and comment- but with my politics, I steer clear of Grammar school edits as it would only cause a flame-fight. Could you have a look. ClemRutter (talk) 08:55, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

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