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Olympics[edit]

Hi Piet! Sorry, but the idea is not to add all competitors into the category "Olympic competitors of the Netherlands" but to add them in an appropriate subcategory. So that every competitor is ony listed in the category of his sport. But every help is very welcomed! Thank you and :) Doma-w 01:10, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks Doma-w. So as soon as I have listed a Dutch athlete in the category: 'Olympic athletes of the Netherlands', I can delete the other one. Right? I'll see to it in the future. Regards,--Piet.Wijker 08:27, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
Yes, then you can delete the other one. So all the categories for each sportsman become more precise. If you have questions you are welcomed or you can have also a look here Wikipedia:WikiProject Olympics or here Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Olympics‎. Regards and :) Doma-w 11:01, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

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Hi there Piet! Noticed that you are interested in athletics articles: would you consider joining WikiProject Athletics? We don't ask for much in return, it is mainly just a good place to ask questions and discuss article problems with other editors and athletics fans. Happy editing! Sillyfolkboy (talk) (edits)Join WikiProject Athletics! 19:51, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

Hi, Sillyfolkboy! Thanks for the reminder. In fact my attention was drawn to this project before, but since my contributions weren't much at the time, I thought it would be useless to join. Now that I have increased my activities for the English Wikipedia a little bit, although my main interest still goes to track and field athletics on the Dutch Wikipedia, I will think it over again. I'll decide what to do in one or two days. Regards,--Piet.Wijker (talk) 12:24, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

National varieties of English and the word "meters"[edit]

Hi, Piet. I noticed that you are changing the spelling of the word "meters" to "metres" in several articles about athletes. You may not be aware that "meter" is the preferred spelling of the word in American English. Because the English varies slightly from nation to nation, the English Wikipedia's Manual of Style has a policy governing which national variety of English to use in a particular article. The four elements of the test are: (1) consistency within articles, (2) strong national ties to a topic, (3) retaining the existing variety, and (4) opportunities for commonality. You've made some change contrary to the policy because they undo the existing variety and/or making the variety used within the article inconsistent. Also, when you change the spelling to "metres" in an article about a U.S. athlete, that runs contrary to the strong national ties of the topic. Please follow the national varieties of English policy in your edits. Thanks. --JamesAM (talk) 23:52, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

Dear JamesAM, I wasn't aware of the policy you pointed out to me. I will keep to this in future. Thanks for the remark.--Piet.Wijker (talk) 11:07, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
Coming back to the discussion above, I discover that consistently executing the policy mentioned by JamesAM is impossible, since all track events in athletics are described in the English way, so with "metres" instead of "meters". Always using 'redirects' in articles on U.S. athletes cannot be in accordance with where this wiki-instrument was meant for in the first place. Or am I overlooking something?--Piet.Wijker (talk) 10:57, 24 March 2010 (UTC)
There's no difficulty in using American English in U.S. articles. If you link to 100 meters, it simply redirects to the article title "100 metres." Or in the alternative, you can use piping the "|" symbol to write "100 metres|100 meters" except with the wikilink brackets around it. The only reason the articles on specific athletic events use the "metre" spelling is because whoever created them used the "metre" spelling. That doesn't bind all other article to use that spelling in contravention to policy. For instance, the article "Color" is titled using the American spelling. But that doesn't mean that articles on British people are forced to use the spelling "color" instead of the British spelling "colour." It's a pretty clear matter of policy. --JamesAM (talk) 05:33, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
OK, clear enough. Thanks for the explanation. Regards,--Piet.Wijker (talk) 11:04, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Carla Beurskens[edit]

Hi Piet. Can you divide your own work from that of Darius Dhlomo on this article? I assume you're already aware of the wide-spread copyright violation situation. SFB 19:46, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

Hi SFB. I wasn't aware of this situation, but I am now. I can say that, although Darius Dhomo initiated the article on Carla Beurskens, I improved and enlarged the textual part of the article and am responsible for the references. As far as I can see Dharius Dhomo did the infobox, the achievements survey, the other templates and all changes, improvements, additions, etc. to these parts. Is this sufficient answer to the question? Regards, Piet.Wijker (talk) 06:46, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

Hi! Just wanted to say that the claim "Citation needed template removed because [item] is linked" is wrong. Geschichte (talk) 09:26, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

OK Geschichte, thank you for this explanation. Regards, Piet.Wijker (talk) 20:14, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

Ethiopian names[edit]

Regarding this revert on Kenenisa Bekele: it is actually the proper way to refer to people in Ethiopian biographies. They don't actually have surnames in the way that you or I do, but rather the "Bekele" refers to the first name of Kenenisa's father (e.g. Kenenisa's children would be called "First name Kenenisa", not "First name Bekele"). The style guide on this can be found at WP:SURNAME. Hope that clears things up! I think we have a few Ethiopian athlete articles which don't follow the correct style, so they should be corrected as and when you come across them. Take care! SFB 19:49, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

Thanks SFB, I didn't know this. Although WP:SURNAME does not explicitly mention Ethiopian customs on surnames, I suppose we should act here in the same way as with people form Iceland, who are mentioned as an example. I will rectify my former revert. Regards, Piet.Wijker (talk) 08:31, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

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Thanks for the reminder. Meanwhile I have improved the link. Regards, Piet.Wijker (talk) 11:54, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

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Thanks again for the reminder. I improved the link. Regards, Piet.Wijker (talk) 11:42, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

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I tend to forget this, so it seems. Regards, Piet.Wijker (talk) 07:28, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

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Thanks for the message. Didn't realise and forgot to check. Meanwhile I corrected the link. Regards, Piet.Wijker (talk) 11:47, 16 February 2013 (UTC)

Talk:Tilly van der Made[edit]

The move discussion is now at this page. I would have made the move on your behalf but I do not have admin tools (it's quite a lot of effort to request them, even though I would only use them for administrative, rather than social, purposes). SFB 17:04, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, Sillyfolkboy. Didn't know this, but was pretty sure that you could attract attention to this subject, which was exactly what you did. By the way, why did they make it so complicated to change titles on the English wikipedia? It is a lot easier on the Dutch wikipedia and I don't experience any substantial problems there. Regards, Piet.Wijker (talk) 09:37, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

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Thanks again for the message. I keep forgetting this, because here the English Wikipedia differs form the Dutch one. Sorry! Regards, Piet.Wijker (talk) 12:06, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

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I have fixed it. My mistake. Sorry! Regards, Piet.Wijker (talk) 21:43, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

Catharina Maria van der Klaauw[edit]

Hi. Please look at the edit history of this article. @Canadian Paul: cited her death (or to be more accurate, the fact she is no longer alive) in the edit summary. If you have proof this is incorrect, then please cite it in the article. Thanks. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 13:22, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

In author Ton Bijkerk's Olympisch Oranje Uitg. Spaar en Hout ISBN 978-90-8683-043-5, published in December 2012, in which all Dutch Olympic competitors who have participated in the Olympic Games in the past are described, there is nothing mentioned about the death of Toos van der Klaauw. To be absolutely sure about this, I had a personal contact with him on April 3, 2014, in which he told me that up to now no death message about Toos van der Klaauw has come to his attention. Therefore, I prefer to assume that she is alive, until the opposite is proven. Regards, Piet.Wijker (talk) 14:27, 11 April 2014 (UTC)
Note that via the link above (and via Google translate), states the following: "(Mak) Schoorl was after Gratia MM Schimmelpennick Baroness van der Oye (1912), the oldest surviving Dutch Olympian. There are now four alive, who entered in 1936, the Baroness mentioned above, who participated as a skier. According to statistics from Bijkerk are further waterpolo player Hans Maier (1916) and Hans hockey Schnitger (August 5, 1915) and Rene Sparenberg (1918)". Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 18:38, 11 April 2014 (UTC)
I know, I know, but the guy in this article who has been cited as an important source, Ton Bijkerk, is now telling me that actually he doesn't know, if she is still alive or not. Anyway, in his most recent edition of 'Olympisch Oranje' he does not give any indication of the possible death of Toos van der Klaauw. So meanwhile I have asked the Fencing Association in The Netherlands, if they can help us out. We'll have to wait and see what happens. Regards, Piet.Wijker (talk) 20:03, 11 April 2014 (UTC)
No, we go with what we currently have. If it changes, we change it then. I'm restoring the source until anything else comes along. That's how it works. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 09:18, 12 April 2014 (UTC)
Sorry, but here I disagree with you, Lugnuts. The information you mention as 'what we currently have', dates from 2 December 2011. The latest edition of Ton Bijkerk's "Olympisch Oranje", dates from December 2012. So in my opinion thát's the latest information we have and in this book, as stated before, no indication whatsoever about the possible death of Toos van der Klaauw is given. And last week he admitted to me by e-mail, that he had no evidence about Toos van der Klaauw's death. Regards, Piet.Wijker (talk) 10:48, 29 April 2014 (UTC) Piet.Wijker (talk) 11:14, 12 April 2014 (UTC)
Basically you're saying "some book doesn't say she's dead (or to be more precise, doesn't actually say she's alive, either)" and "some guy you've emailed (who could be anyone), has no evidence one way or the other". Have a read of WP:V. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 09:26, 13 April 2014 (UTC)
Either you don't read very well, Lugnuts, or you don't want to. What I am saying is, that the same person who is cited in the December 2011 article, mentioned by you, namely Ton Bijkerk, in his book "Olympisch Oranje", that was edited in December 2012, doesn't give any indication about Toos van de Klaauw's death and in an e-mail to me last week, admitted that he simply didn't know, if she was still alive or not. By the way, this 'anyone', as you prefer to call him, has been the Secretary-General of the International Society of Olympic Historians from 1996 till 2003, when he retired because of his wife's death, and afterwards was re-elected twice until the 2012 Summer Olympics. Am I clear enough to you now, Lugnuts? Piet.Wijker (talk) 12:50, 13 April 2014 (UTC)
A couple of years ago, after the death of Baroness Schimmelpenninck van der Oye, I contacted Ton Bijkerk as well, as he is the prime source of knowledge about former Olympic competitors. For some Olympians he doesn't know if they are still alive. For instance, he knew that rower Han Dekker (born 1911) fled to Germany during or after World War II, but doesn't know what happened to him afterwards. I pointed at the obituary I also mention in the talk page of the article about Catharina Maria van der Klaauw, noting the similarities in name and back then I got the impression he was sure she was still alive. I sent him an e-mail in which I wrote I had my doubts and I got the impression he got a bit fed up with me. Logically I have to say: if she is still alive, she would be 98 years old. That's very old, but knowing there are several thousands of women of that age living in the Netherlands, it is possible. Maybe it is best to wait for a response from the Fencing Association of the Netherlands. Guidje (talk) 09:31, 16 April 2014 (UTC)
That's exactly what I am hoping for, Guidje, although it has been amazingly quiet up to now, as far as the Fencing Association is concerned. If that's not going to work, I intend to contact a friend in The Hague, because I am acquainted with the address where Toos van der Klaauw should be living, if she is still alive. I will keep you informed. Regards, Piet.Wijker (talk) 10:41, 16 April 2014 (UTC)
The latest information about Toos van der Klaauw I recently obtained is, that she died on 11 August, 2011. After it had become clear to me that the Fencing Association didn't have the information about her death either, I contacted my friend in The Hague and he discovered this for me. I am now trying to get some written proof about her death, so that we can add this as a reference to the article. Regards, Piet.Wijker (talk) 10:48, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

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