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Joe Walsh[edit]

Hi, Pkeets, I understand that you are one of Wikipedia's best editors, and I would highly appreciate it if you could help make Joe Walsh's page a good article. Many thanks Joe Vitale 5 (talk) 07:27, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

Where did you hear that? I didn't know anyone even knew I was here.
I don't know that much about making good articles, but I do see where the article could be improved a bit, so I'll see what I can do to help out over the next few days. I've got a lot of things going on just now, so it won't be something immediate. Will that suit you? Pkeets (talk) 10:40, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

I didn't "hear" that you were one of the Wikipedia's best editors, I know that you are one of Wikipedia's best editors myself, from looking at your great work, and I highly appreciate your many great edits. Joe Vitale 5 (talk) 11:19, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

RE: Joe Walsh[edit]

You can submit the Joe Walsh page for good article, as I think it's the best we could all do. Joe Vitale 5 (talk) 11:22, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

Okay, I'll submit it. There may be some issues with references or lists, but we should get some comments to go from.166.170.54.228 (talk) 13:01, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

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A Special thank you, To Pkeets for helping make the Wikipedia page, Joe Walsh what it is today !!!. Joe Vitale 5 (talk) 11:15, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

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Joe Walsh[edit]

I noticed your WP:AGF effort at Joe Walsh to respond to my requests. I came very close to reopening my review. Thank you for responding to my concerns. Usually when an article is deficient in sources as this one was there are also a lot of facts missing. I am a bit disappointed that when you went through all of those sources you did not find any additional facts to add to the article. When I said I would be more comfortable if a longtime editor got involved, I kind of felt if someone who is intimate with this subject would be better able to address concerns. When you dig through that many sources and the prose does not get augmented, that is a bad sign in my eyes. I will let another reviewer handle this.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 04:38, 24 May 2014 (UTC)

Don't Stop the Dance[edit]

Hi, Pkeets thanks for all your recent edits on Joe Walsh, I need help on the section "Promotional film" on the page Don't Stop the Dance, I think that it just needs rewriting, I'm scarred that it may be read the wrong way.

Many thanks and kind regards, p.s let me know if you ever need help too for non-free Images, Etc. (Joe Vitale 5 (talk) 07:41, 25 May 2014 (UTC))

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A Special thanks[edit]

Thank you very much for rewriting "Don't Stop the Dance", my version was very dodgy. Great research and writing, oh, and just to let you know I've started doing extensive editing on the page Press to Play, which is an album by Paul McCartney, from my research I gather that your a rather big WHO fan, well, the great Pete Townshend preforms on the album, and if you look on Google images you will be able to see Townie, Macca and Phil Collins recording the album, and also just to let you know I've personally met Roger Daltrey, he gave me a signed postcard saying "To Joe, Be Lucky, A thanks for your king words, ROGER DALTREY", I'm also a bit of an artist so I sent Joe Walsh a picture, that I had drawn of him, and he sent me a signed postcard simply saying "To another Joe, Thanks JOE WALSH"

I'm not the biggest of WHO fans but I thinks you'll love listening to Press to Play, Press, and Stranglehold, Best wishes and kind regards Joe Vitale 5 (talk) 00:37, 31 May 2014 (UTC)

Re: Don't Stop the Dance[edit]

Thanks for the great info, Treil looks like a completely different women with her hair blonde, oh and one other thing I found out was that Yanick Etienne, who sings the distinctive vocals on Avalon, is credited on the album Boys and Girls so I wonder if the female backing vocals are hers they sound very similar. P.s don't forget to listen to the album Press to Play (and if you didn't guess it, it's from the Eighties. I still use my Walkman cassette player all the time, in the house and out and about, mainly so I don't mugged :). Best wishes and kind regards (Joe Vitale 5 (talk) 01:01, 31 May 2014 (UTC)).

Press (song)[edit]

I need help again, I fecked up with the music video part on Press, I'm rubbish at writing them, and don't forget all your work is appreciated. Best wishes and kind regards Joe Vitale 5 (talk) 01:46, 31 May 2014 (UTC)

Thank you so much for saving me again, remember your work is always appreciated. Best wishes and kind regards Joe Vitale 5 (talk) 03:40, 31 May 2014 (UTC)

You're welcome. Pkeets (talk) 13:00, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

Press (song)[edit]

The article Press (song) features a lot of false information on it, that I don't know how to rewrite, it states that the single didn't hit the Top 20, but it did in Belgium it reached 17[1]. So please help me. Best wishes and Kind Regards Joe Vitale 5 (talk) 09:37, 5 June 2014 (UTC)

User:Mazarin07[edit]

The User:Mazarin07, when I asked for help, he wrote back saying "Just press the Edit button next to each section, edit what you want, then click on Save.", I found that very offensive what should I do, report him. Let's talk about it, Best wishes and Kind regards. Joe Vitale 5 (talk) 12:14, 5 June 2014 (UTC)

Guess what, Mazarin07 now said that he will "ask the admins" to ban me, what did I ever do wrong to him, Let's talk about it as soon as possible, or this may carry on. Joe Vitale 5 (talk) 12:57, 5 June 2014 (UTC)

What did you find offensive, you crazy idiot? You asked for my help, right? I did help you, right? Get out from my talk page!!!!! I don't want to see any of you there again!!!! Mazarin07 (talk) 15:13, 5 June 2014 (UTC)

PLEASE STOP HARRASSing ME WITH YOUR FRIEND BANDIT JOE VITALE 5!!!!!

It's not harassment, only a request to get lost. Please do it. Thank you. Pkeets (talk) 15:25, 5 June 2014 (UTC)

Advice[edit]

Thanks for your very kind advice, But why be nasty to fellow editors?, that's one thing we'll never know. Well, I won't ask other editors for help, Thanks again. Best wishes and kind regards. Joe Vitale 5 (talk) 08:46, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

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A barnstar for you![edit]

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To Pkeets, For stopping the trouble with the "Type A" personality editor, You've earn it. All the Best Wishes and many Kind Regards. Joe Vitale 5 (talk) 06:41, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

Pkeets[edit]

To Pkeets, How come no-one thanks me for my edits? (apart from you), or gives me wiki-loves?. I've done at least a thousand edits, and created more than ten pages.

Patience. I've been here about 10 years and get snapped at much more than thanked. You'll have some chances to help people out as time goes on. For something interesting, check the activity box I've got at the top of my talk page. It looks like the most active editor has made over a million edits. I have squeaked into the top 4000. Pkeets (talk) 07:17, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

Walsh[edit]

Hi Pkeets, could you please help me edit Joe Walsh's solo album pages, I've done a lot of work on the Got Any Gum? page, but I think that this one needs the most editing. Best wishes and kind regards as always. Joe Vitale 5 (talk) 08:02, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

Got Any Gum?[edit]

Hi Pkeets, could you please help me write about the albums back cover, I don't know what to put many thanks oh, and here is a link to the image http://mlb-s2-p.mlstatic.com/lp-joe-walsh-got-any-gum-1987-com-encarte-13991-MLB220491347_3568-F.jpg. Best wishes and kind regards. Joe Vitale 5 (talk) 19:47, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

Re: Got Any Gum?[edit]

No, I didn't know what type of car it is, thank you (I'm pretty crap with cars). Best wishes and kind regards Joe Vitale 5 (talk) 09:26, 15 June 2014 (UTC)

The Radio Song[edit]

Hi Pkeets, I think we've done with the Got Any Gum? page, I'm going to work on "The Radio Song" page, Do you care to join me?. Best wishes and kind regards. Joe Vitale 5 (talk) 09:28, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

Building the Perfect Beast[edit]

Hi, Pkeets thanks for all your edits to the "Radio Song" page, I think we've finished with that one, just to let you know I've started to do a lot of work to the "Building the Perfect Beast" page, which is a solo album by Don Henley, I thinks it's missing a lot of important information, I'm doing the best I can, but I still think I need your help again. Thank you. Best wishes and kind regards Joe Vitale 5 (talk) 23:57, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

Cloud 9[edit]

Hey, Pkeets, I've started working on the George Harrison album "Cloud 9", it's a right mess and could you please help me. Best wishes and kind regards. Joe Vitale 5 (talk) 16:45, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

This Is Love (George Harrison song)[edit]

Hi, Pkeets, as always I need your help with the promotional video part of the song "This Is Love (George Harrison song)", here's the Vid! [2]. Hey, This reminds me of the good old days (Me mucking up, and you saving me with your legendary typing skills :), I think that you and me as gun slinging partners on Wikipedia are like those of the partnership of Lennon - McCartney, I'm rubbish without ya (I'm "McCartney"), but don't worry I'll make sure nobody shoots you this time, unless you want me too. And as always I bid you my best wishes and my sincerest kind regards, Ha ho. Joe Vitale 5 (talk) 20:02, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

Yikes. Who's shooting? Pkeets (talk) 03:24, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
Harry Callahan, so watch your back. Joe Vitale 5 (talk) 12:33, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

References

Henriette Adélaïde Villard Beaumesnil[edit]

Hi Pkeets, as you have already noticed, I have expanded the article about Mademoiselle Beaumesnil that you had created. I thank you again for copyediting my poor English and I would suggest that the title of the article should be modified too. Sources are at variance with one another about the musician's name: The New Grove Dictionary of Opera reports "Henriette Adélaïde Villard de Beaumesnil"; Campardon and Pitou state "Henriette-Adélaïde de Villars" (called Beaumesnil). Considering that Campardon reproduces here both the pension patent (brevet de pension) and the certificate of baptism of the musician, where "Henriette-Adélaïde de Villars", as the true name, and "Beaumesnil" as a stage name, are stated, I think that the article should be renamed "Mademoiselle Beaumesnil" and "Henriette-Adélaïde de Villars" should be given as a redirect; or, at least, the article should be renamed "Henriette-Adélaïde de Villars". In both cases a reference to the question Villars/Villard should be made in footnote. Since I don't feel up to making the necessary changes myself in the English Wikipedia, I hope that you will deal with the matter as you think best. Cheers. --Jeanambr (talk) 16:24, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

Stephanie Adams article[edit]

Thanks for stopping by to handle the edit request. The statement and Voo source on Adams' ancestry that was removed from the article was fine. You can find it in the history. It was properly sourced and there are also additional sources to support the statement. Please add the information back. In addition, please add the Politics of Desire source as additional support for the statement on her ancestry as African American. I believe it's already used in the article, so it would be helpful if you named it. See here: Racialized Politics of Desire in Personal Ads, retrieved 4 June 2014  According to an editor in the discussion, the duplicate birth date and place info was fairly standard, so please add that back, too. I'd also be in favor of adding the information presented by another editor on her ownership of two companies. Do you want a paragraph written up on that? Pkeets (talk) 15:16, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

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Malcolm Sargent[edit]

I think your concerns are addressed. I didn't realise at first that you hadn't read the article before asking for the inclusion of what was already there, but errare humanum est. Best wishes, Tim riley talk 20:51, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

Glenn Frey[edit]

Hey, Pkeets could you please help me with editing the Glenn Frey, page it's a right mess. Joe Vitale 5 (talk) 11:05, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

Great work!, thanks. Best wishes and kind regards Joe Vitale 5 (talk) 11:11, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

P.S, I've done over 140 edits to the page Bête Noire, could you please check my edits this page, to make sure there're all right (not half left). Best wishes and kind regards as always Joe Vitale 5 (talk) 11:15, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

Bête Noire[edit]

Hi, Pkeets do you think that "Bête Noire (album)" would be a good article?. Best wishes and kind regards Joe Vitale 5 (talk) 15:22, 19 July 2014 (UTC)

I don't know much about the criteria for good articles. I start a lot of new articles, but I don't spend that much time trying to make them into "good articles." Is there a description of what's required for album articles? The other option would be to recommend it and see what other editors think about it. 166.147.117.188 (talk) 03:53, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

Nik Kershaw[edit]

Dear Pkeets, I'm formerly messaging you on behalf of the United States of America, Joe Vitale 5 needs you to help him with the page "Nik Kershaw", And if your work is good enough you will be promoted to vice-president. As our great president Richard Nixon always says "Remember, always give your best."[1]

Regards,
Joe Vitale 5
PA to Richard Nixon, the 37th President of the United States.Joe Vitale 5 (talk) 11:40, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

Roger Daltrey[edit]

Just to let you know, just to be kind I've added at least 10 citations to the page "Roger Daltrey". Maybe you'd like to see if they're good enough. Joe Vitale 5 (talk) 11:14, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

Wouldn't It Be Good[edit]

Could you please write about "Wouldn't It Be Good"'s music video please, I don't know where to start (Here's a link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qH4CT4f7fk). thanking you in advance. Best wishes and kind regards Joe Vitale 5 (talk) 12:00, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

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Human Racing[edit]

Hi, Pkeets could you please help me with the page "Human Racing". Thanking you in advance. All the best wishes and kind regards. Joe Vitale 5 (talk) 12:49, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

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I'd just like to thank for all of your many consistently excellent edits, and well that I hope to be as good as the best, but never better, because you can you can never be better than the best. Joe Vitale 5 (talk) 12:07, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

Barnstar[edit]

Do I deserve a Minor Barnstar yet?. Joe Vitale 5 (talk) 13:41, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

Barnstar[edit]

That's a bit more than a minor barnstar, lol. Joe Vitale 5 (talk) 13:52, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

A Rare Question[edit]

Have you bought Roger Daltrey's new album, Going Back Home. Joe Vitale 5 (talk) 14:30, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

No. I've been busy with my own stuff just lately and haven't been listening to music much. I did hear one of the tracks. Sounds good. Pkeets (talk) 14:42, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

As a fellow Who fan I warn you, the album is a pile of ca-ca poo. Daltrey's vocals are hidden in the mix and I don't even think you'd wanna hear his terrible blues growl, it makes him sound like he's in his 90's. One song "Turned 21", vocally is the the best track (It sounds like The Who's "One Life's Enough"), but the lyrics as for the whole album, are terrible and are not worthy of a Rock God. Joe Vitale 5 (talk) 15:15, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

Okay, thanks for the info. I'm glad it did well for them, regardless. What I've heard of it is the live shows on Youtube. Pkeets (talk) 17:06, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

To be honest, it's worse than Rocks in the Head. Joe Vitale 5 (talk) 11:18, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

Allan Schwartzberg[edit]

Hi, could you please help me with the page, "Allan Schwartzberg". He's an amazing drummer who worked with Roger on his epic solo album, "Parting Should Be Painless". Joe Vitale 5 (talk) 08:46, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

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Parting Should Be Painless[edit]

The page "Parting Should Be Painless", is in a right mess, I don't know what to do with it. Could you please help me, many thanks. Joe Vitale 5 (talk) 12:09, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

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Be Lucky[edit]

Hi, as always I need your much appreciated help, with the new Who song article "Be Lucky". And don't forget to Be Lucky. Joe Vitale 5 (talk) 15:29, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

Okay, I had a look. Pkeets (talk) 15:45, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

Re: Parting Should Be Painless[edit]

Hi, Pkeets I found this these facts on the page (http://www.thewho.info/propk45.htm) about the album Parting Should Be Painless, could you add them I don't know what to do with them. Joe Vitale 5 (talk) 08:42, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

Charlie Siem[edit]

Hi, we are once again having problems with this page. Charlie Siem's personal manager, Mvedel , continues to add concert dates and irrelevant (and biased) information to the article. I already explained him why the info isn't relevant, and that no other violinist on Wikipedia has that kind of concert schedule on their page or promotional material, but he just undoes the edit and puts it all back. After so many edits and him not cooperating, I'd like to request for the page to be temporary locked or maybe issue him a temporary block? Warnings have been left on his Talk page but he doesn't reply to anything there and just pumps stuff into the article. What can we actually do? John40332 (talk) 10:28, 17 October 2014 (UTC)

I'm not an administrator, so I can't do it, but the usual solution is to lock the article except for autoconfimed users. If you block him, he will likely just establish a different account. Another solution is to just let him trash the article up. It doesn't reflect well on Charlie to have an article that looks so messy and unencyclopedic. Pkeets (talk) 14:52, 17 October 2014 (UTC)

Joe Walsh[edit]

Hi, I've done loads of edits to the article, Joe Walsh. Could you please check them to see that they are alright. Many thanks Joe Vitale 5 (talk) 09:36, 26 October 2014 (UTC)

Could you please check the article, Joe Walsh again. Joe Vitale 5 (talk) 10:25, 2 November 2014 (UTC)

Uncle Sam[edit]

Hi Pkeets, could you please write about the music video for the Madness song "Uncle Sam", as you did so greatly to for the article Wouldn't It Be Good (see I remember your much appreciated work). Joe Vitale 5 (talk) 12:02, 24 November 2014 (UTC)

Also I've created the article, "Henry Small (singer)" and I think it needs your magic touch. Joe Vitale 5 (talk) 10:00, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

Recent requests[edit]

Hi Pkeets could you please help me with the articles Beat Street (album), Small Change (Prism album), and Richie Zito.

The Beatles Invite[edit]

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Anna Johansson[edit]

Hi there.

I removed that information because I have read other sources that strongly imply that that source is incorrect - it wasn't Anna Johansson who was forced into early retirement due to burn injuries, it was Maria Anderson. (DarkDancer06 (talk) 23:04, 8 January 2015 (UTC))

No problem, always happy to help. :) (DarkDancer06 (talk) 01:38, 9 January 2015 (UTC))

A Little Help Here....[edit]

Hey Pkeets, I was wondering if you'd be able to help me promote "Alexander O'Neal" to at least GA, I've created like four or five articles for his albums some minor work on his actual page etc. and I was wondering if you'd like to help. Joe Vitale 5 (talk) 20:56, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

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Hiyo[edit]

Well it's been sometime before I've asked you for something but could you please write about the music video for the Sting song, "We'll Be Together", it makes no sense to me. Many thanks Joe Vitale 5 (talk) 09:40, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

Done. Pkeets (talk) 16:29, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

And could you please also write about the music video for Thompson Twins single Doctor! Doctor!.


All the Best
For Being the Best!
'Stay Up' & don't forget to...
Keep Rocking!
Joe Vitale 5 (talk) 08:09, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

Hi, I need your help yet again, but this time I need your help with the biography of Tom Bailey.

I don't usually ask you to help with football biographies but could you please help me with the article, David Lucas. Joe Vitale 5 (talk) 11:20, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

Hi, Joe. I went through it and tidied up a few sentences, but I'm wondering about the amount of detail in the beginning summary. I'm thinking it pretty much repeats what's below and should be cut down. What do you think? Pkeets (talk) 14:27, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

I hate to feel that I'm asking for too much, while giving so little (though I am). However, could you please give your undivided attention to the article, The Style Council. All the best, for being the best Joe Vitale 5 (talk) 18:25, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

A lot more than a little help with the article Stockport County would sure be appreciated partner. Joe Vitale 5 (talk) 18:09, 20 June 2015 (UTC)

Hey Pkeets! do you follow soccer/football? If so who do ya support? Joe Vitale 5 (talk) 15:49, 25 June 2015 (UTC)

I don't. My mom is a big sports fan, though. Pkeets (talk) 01:30, 30 June 2015 (UTC)

Well, a lot more than a little help with the article Stockport County would sure be appreciated partner. Joe Vitale 5 (talk) 13:31, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

I'm on vacation right now, but if I don't get to it in a couple of weeks, please remind me. Pkeets (talk) 16:57, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

If you've got any spare time, could you please help me with the articles Every Sperm Is Sacred and Galaxy Song? Joe Vitale 5 (talk) 16:55, 1 August 2015 (UTC)

Me again! (sigh), if you've got any spare time, could you please help me with the articles Mark Mothersbaugh and Devo. Thanks! Joe Vitale 5 (talk) 10:02, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

I've ran out of conversation openers, so could you please help me with the article Josh Mancell, thanks. Joe Vitale 5 (talk) 14:35, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

I asked you to help with this article (Josh Mancell), because I was talking to him not long ago and he seems like a real nice dude, he even said he'll post out his autograph out to me at the end of this week too! Joe Vitale 5 (talk) 15:05, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

I've tidied up a little. Still haven't finished Devo, though. Pkeets (talk) 15:54, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

If you've got any spare time, could you please help me with the article Mim Grey. Thanks! Joe Vitale 5 (talk) 12:40, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

Again, if you've got any spare time, could you please help me with the article John Perry. And remember that I always highly appreciate your edits :) Joe Vitale 5 (talk) 11:40, 21 August 2015 (UTC)

Again, if you've got any spare time, could you please help me with the article Andy Pratt. Blessings always :) Joe Vitale 5 (talk) 12:46, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

Me again, again, again, if you've got any spare time, could you please help me with the article Mike Kellie. I trust you'll drum up something good :) Joe Vitale 5 (talk) 09:34, 24 August 2015 (UTC)

Me again, again, again, again, again, if you've got any spare time, could you please help me with the article Rikk Agnew. Once again thanking you in advance Joe Vitale 5 (talk) 11:05, 28 August 2015 (UTC)

Me again, again, again, again, again, again. again, if you've still got any spare time, could you please help me with the article Henry Small. Can I thank you enough? Joe Vitale 5 (talk) 10:35, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

Me again, again, again, again, again, again. again, again, again, if you've got any spare time left at all, could you please help me with the article Ruby Turner. As always I'ma most a grateful Joe Vitale 5 (talk) 11:57, 3 September 2015 (UTC)

Borghild Holmsen[edit]

Greetings from the Dutch Wikipedia. I saw that you made this article in the past. You noted that her debut was in 1898, but that's not true. In Aftenposten of march 1890 there is an ad about a concert she gave in Christiania. The link: Aftenposten. The ad is in the middle of page 3. I will give a sign to the Norwegian Wiki also.Ceescamel (talk) 13:40, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

Thank you. I made the change. Pkeets (talk) 14:13, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

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All your work on Mim Grey; is breathtaking thank you so much!  :) Joe Vitale 5 (talk) 12:02, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

Thanks! Pkeets (talk) 14:22, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

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Lela Buis[edit]

I removed the American karateka category for her because there's no evidence she meets the definition of a martial artist as described at [1] . This definition was based on the discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Martial arts/archive 20#Martial artist category. If you have sources that show she meets the definition please feel free to add them to the article and add the karateka category back. Papaursa (talk) 03:10, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

I added a reference in Background to verify involvement in Yoshukai karate. This is from 1991 and doesn't describe her current rank, but other sources around the Internet suggest she is 6th dan. The article isn't based on her notability as a martial artist. Her rank in Yoshukai is a side note that adds further to her general notability, so [2] doesn't apply as it would if martial arts were her only reason for notability. Pkeets (talk) 03:27, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
As evidenced by the discussion, merely doing karate does not meet the conditions. I should also mention that it's a long standing policy of the martial arts project that rank does not show notability. That's because there are no standards--many so called 10th dans have had their articles deleted. I'm not saying Lela Buis is not notable, nor do I have a problem with mentioning that she practices karate, I'm just saying she doesn't appear to meet the consensus WP definition of a martial artist. The aforementioned discussion mentions the parallels with acting and playing basketball. When people look up basketball players they don't want to see guys who play in a league at the local Y and when they look up actors they're not looking for people who do community theater. So it's reasonable to think when they look up martial artists they're looking to find people significant in that field. Papaursa (talk) 03:37, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
The martial arts group needs to find some designation for people who practice "do" (the way). You're referring to "professional" martial artists in the modern sense in your definition, which is not the traditional designation. Notice mention in your discussion that many of the old masters wouldn't have met your requirements. Plus many owners of mixed martial arts schools would, without any real respectability in the traditional arts.Pkeets (talk) 04:13, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
Actually, that's not true. For example, Gichin Funakoshi would meet WP:MANOTE even though his profession was teaching school. MANOTE is met by founding a significant style, authoring significant books, or being the subject of a documentary on the martial arts--as well as by competitive success. By your reasoning it's OK to list someone who plays some pick-up basketball to be on the same level as Michael Jordan, or that anyone who does community theater is a peer of Robert DeNiro. Those fields don't distinguish (except for notable or not), why should martial arts? If you're not notable as a martial artist and not earning a living as a martial artist why should you be considered the same as Bruce Lee? No martial artist would consider a 4 year old white belt and a master of 50 years to be equivalent, even though they both may be following the same way. I do my taxes every year but I wouldn't call myself an accountant, although by logical extension of your reasoning I could. I took piano lessons but would not call myself a musician. Not sure why you're bucking consensus or insist that martial arts is different from other fields. Again, there's no objection to mentioning it in the article. Papaursa (talk) 04:41, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
The problem is that you've taken over the term "karateka" which is any practitioner of the way and limited it to mean high-profile or professional martial artists. The martial arts group should find some other designation. Pkeets (talk) 04:47, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
Are there other designations for actors, basketball players, or musicians? By your definition we could go through and label almost everyone as a musician since most have played an instrument or sang at some point in their lives. Papaursa (talk) 04:56, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
I wouldn't say that, but someone who has played semi-professionally over a career of 30-40 years might qualify. By your definition, an accompanist with a day job who plays for church choirs over a 40 year career wouldn't be considered a musician. Pkeets (talk) 05:02, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
The point is that it's not my definition, it was the consensus of the wiki project. Would you ignore what the WP project on music defined as a musician or would you accept their consensus? Given the nature of WP, I'd use the consensus definition--even if I disagreed with it. That's what I've done with the notability criteria of various SNG--I speak my piece and accept the consensus whether I agree with it or not. Papaursa (talk) 05:16, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
I don't have a very high opinion of the martial arts wiki project. Pkeets (talk) 05:25, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

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