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Biographical template mergers

Please note: Template talk:Infobox person#Mergers, redux. Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 14:34, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

Belgian political parties

In this discussion most users were in favor of having English titles for Belgian parties' articles, consistently with most articles about parties in en.Wiki. How is that the article's titles are still either in Flemish or French language? What can we do about it? --Checco (talk) 17:44, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

The solution would be to move them to the English title, if there is consensus to do so. Right? Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 18:18, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
In my opinion, yes! Only Fram was was wholeheartedly against that option, but he was able to stop any change. How do you think we could reach out a decision on the issue, even if there is one user opposed to it? --Checco (talk) 18:31, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
Start a straw poll, and advertise it in various locations (e.g., WP:VP). People can voice if they support or oppose such moves. If there is consensus to support it, then the pages can be moved. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 19:58, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
Sorry for the delay with which I respond to you. Could be Talk:List of political parties in Belgium be the correct place for the straw poll or is it better to have it at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Political parties? I will start the poll when I'm sure I can follow the discussion almost daily. I will tell you when that happens. --Checco (talk) 10:47, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
Either place is probably fine, but I would advertise it in both places. Let me know. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 13:35, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

Why did you revert the Russell Article?

Moved to Talk:Russell Hantz. Plastikspork (talk) 20:24, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

What wasn't neutral about my edit?

The only edit I made today was removing a source from TV Guide, which I didn't think was a valid news source. (talk) 19:29, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

I just pasted a welcome template on your page. I wasn't complaining about your edits. Plastikspork (talk) 19:54, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

Template talk:Infobox settlement

I'm a mere servant and humble bot-op in this thing; can you see about prodding along the new parameter proposal? (You seem to be the primary editor lately) Is stuff like this normally advertised somewhere, or it a just do it thing? –xenotalk 15:56, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

Unless there are objections, it's basically a "just do it" sort of thing. Let me know if you want me to do anything :) Thanks! Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 16:16, 26 March 2010 (UTC)


i have putted an "infobox former country" in the article and inputted the region and country data in it but it doesn't show on the article can you fix it for me ?--Sweetcorn (talk) 17:24, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

Responding on your talk page. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 17:35, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

Update scheduled for CountryAbbr2

27-March-10: User:Xeno, User:Plastikspork: After months of planning and days of testing, I have finally submitted an edit-request for Template:CountryAbbr2. See request: Template talk:CountryAbbr#Change to Template:CountryAbbr2 to drop 50 million wikilinks. Feel free to update or let someone else handle it. The database report counted 68,100 transclusions. -Wikid77 (talk) 06:21, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

Template:Aphonopelma Species

Hi. At Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2010_March_22#Template:Aphonopelma_Species, the recommendation was "Substitute and delete", but I hadn't actually substituted yet before you deleted. Can you please userfy a copy of it for me? If you could create it in my Sandbox, User:Boing! said Zebedee/Sandbox, that would be great, thanks -- Boing! said Zebedee 06:38, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Ah, I see you already did it, sorry! (I hadn't spotted the Aphonopelma See Also/anchor thing). Many thanks - I'll substitute the other similar templates myself and will then nominate them for deletion. -- Boing! said Zebedee 07:17, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Survivor: Samoa

Hello! I noticed the format of the Voting history table in the article was changed by someone to show two separate tables—one would be pre-merge, one post-merge. I also noticed you changed it back. I thought the new layout proposed there was easier to read, as the previous table was one long thing that stretched the page out. The only way to read the end-game votes would be to go down and move the left–right scroll bar. In my opinion, this could be quite cumbersome. I prefer the new layout. What is your opinion, though? Do you think that would be a consensus? Thanks! —Untitledmind72 (talk) 16:29, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

I would suggest proposing the change on the talk page to see if there is consensus. Thanks! Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 16:55, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Central Bedfordshire

Any reason to be so testy? I have reverted the edits now, but no need to take it personally. Please remember remember to be civil and respectful on wikipedia, it the way most of us like it. Have a nice day! Bleaney (talk) 01:15, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

And by the way, Far from standard does not preclude something on wikipedia. Central Bedfordshire really isnt a settlement afterall, seeing as most of it is agricultural land.Bleaney (talk) 01:17, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
Thanks, I don't see how asking a question is "taking it personally" or not "being civil". In fact, I believe I even signed with a large "Thanks!" I would suggest you try using the WP:EDITSUMMARY. Thanks again! Plastikspork (talk) 01:23, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Tweak your bot, please

Your bot is making a mess of discography tables by leaving the {| characters in place, see Mike Cross. Chuckiesdad/Talk/Contribs 02:34, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Interesting. It was a user operated script (not a bot), but I can see if I can fix the problem. Thanks! Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 02:36, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
Thanks! Nicely done. Regards, Chuckiesdad/Talk/Contribs 00:17, 1 April 2010 (UTC)


I did not understand this editline of yours. I cannot see this discussed that day, am I missing something? Cheers, Huldra (talk) 21:29, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Ah, thanks! Cheers, Huldra (talk) 21:34, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Template:Infobox Mandir

Hi. I've updated this template. See Mumba Devi Temple. However, most of the infoboxes need updating now and the parameters switched with the new ones. What would be the best way to do this, by bot? For instance Somnath needs replacing with the new full parameters given in the documentation. The coordinates also somehow need to be converted to DMS and featured with a pin map... Could you edit the Template:Infobox Mandir so the current version recognizes the older paramters so it doesnt affect the infoboxes in current articles which have not been converted at least until they can be replaced by bot? Actually I've ifixed that problem with this edit. The infoboxes though will need updating in due course!!! Dr. Blofeld White cat 15:51, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

Oh no, you've gone all Rich Farmborough on me. I must stress the life out of you with my persistence. Dr. Blofeld White cat 20:17, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

You said that you fixed the problem? Is there still a problem? Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 20:20, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
The continuity problem yes. Updating the old infoboxes with the new parameters, nope, I only managed a few manually. It needs to be done by bot. As if you didn't have enough to do though!! It can wait, but still needs to be done eventually...Did you give Kot your script for Spain afterwards? Dr. Blofeld White cat 20:34, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
Okay, so I need to replace each transclusion with the complete template, with all the fields (can be accomplished with a fairly simple substitution), and move the coordinates to the infobox (can be accomplished with some additional scripting). Is that what I should do? Is there anything else? As far as Spain goes, I think he is still a bit busy. I got caught up plowing through the 36,000 French Commune articles (check the edit history of User:Plasticspork). However, I can always try to do a bit more on Spain as well. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 21:11, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

Yep that's right. Aside from the hadnful I did the vast majority need substituting with the new parameters and where the coordinates are they need replacing as DMS pin maps. I don't think there is a huge number to replace. Nothing on French commune scale. Yeah they're a pain in the arse alright those French communes. I wonder how long it is going to take before they are all up to a decent standard. They need starting alright but I really do wish we'd had a bot to start them adequately first time. They've all needed like 6 bots or AWB errands just for minor edits. Dr. Blofeld White cat 21:38, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

I've expanded Barnave, Drôme a little.. You edited it yesterday. I'm sure you remember wink wink.. Dr. Blofeld White cat 21:52, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

I'm going to begin drawing up new relief map templates. Sting has been creating a lot of relief maps like File:Egypt relief location map.jpg. They would be perfect for articles on mountains. Something like Template:Location map Egypt relief. Dr. Blofeld White cat 22:04, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

What do you think of the map now in Gebel Elba? Dr. Blofeld White cat 22:15, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

Looks great. I'm going to be signing off in about 10 minutes and will probably not be very responsive for the next 36 hours (more business travel), but I will have Internet access, and I don't need to travel more than about two hours from my house. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 22:18, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

Argentine barrio infobox looks in good shape for changing. Have a great weekend. I'll try and find some more relief maps to make and insert them in the mountain articles Any chance before you leave you can change the red mountian locator to a black one? Red looks weird. Try File:AS-góra-icon.svg. If nobody likes it I'm sure it will be reverted anwway. Could you tweak it?. Dr. Blofeld White cat 22:23, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

Okay, I switched it to Black. By the way, the subtemplate, {{Infobox mountain/map}} is not protected. Thanks! Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 22:33, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

OK. I'll need to reduce the PX by at least half though its too big at the mo! Thanks! I've just created a decent Tibetan Plateau relief. So those Himalayan mountains llike Everest can have some decent maps at last.. Dr. Blofeld White cat 22:38, 2 April 2010 (UTC) K2. Looking good!! Dr. Blofeld White cat 22:47, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

Great. By the way, that's the name of my cat. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 22:49, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

Oh I can access that too! All the best have a great weekend buddy! Give my love to K2. "Kitty Number 2" eh? Dr. Blofeld White cat 23:02, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, the main infobox is a subpage, so you should be able to access everything. Just don't tell anyone :) K2 is actually , which is a longer story. Talk to you later. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 23:07, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

The Challenge: Fresh Meat II

Hello Plastikspork. Now that we're less than a week away from the season premiere of The Challenge: Fresh Meat 2, I think it would be a good idea to semi-protect that page for at least the next two months. I have the awful feeling that some unknown IP user will vandalize that page in the coming days, and/or post spoilers. Thank you. DPH1110 (talk) 21:45, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

Yes, but we don't preemptively semiprotect. As soon as there is some vandalism, drop a note at WP:RFPP, and someone will take care of it. Otherwise, it is on my watch list. Thanks! Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 21:49, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

Ready to update Rnd to bypass Rnd/a

04-April-2010: This is just an FYI that Template:Rnd is ready to update to bypass the small subtemplate {Rnd/a} and reduce Convert nesting by 1 more level, against the template-nesting limit. This change should affect nearly 307,000 pages, and drop 307,000 wikilinks to {Rnd/a}, which will become almost unused. See counts in database report:

The full talk-page topics are in Template_talk:Rnd:

Those topics describe the issue & examples. I will activate the admin-edit request in a few hours. -Wikid77 16:55, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

Message from BrianFairplay10

I am BrianTheVillain123, i changed my account, again. Anyways, sorry for the disruptive edits. Just when u block me, i will make another account again and again. Thank you, and i need you a favor: U know Gogo Dodo. He has a problem more than you do Plastikspork. Tell Gogo Dodo to stop accusing me of everything. Thank you. Rock On- (talk) 3:24, 5 April 2010 (EST)

And that just earned him an indefinite block on all three accounts and any future accounts. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 19:31, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
Agreed, certainly a proper block. Brian, you should try to work within established policy/consensus rather than trying to continuously circumvent it. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 19:58, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

bob the builder

I was just wondering, why is it that the ip's are vandlising the main bob page and not the episode or character page snice the charaters were moved. Those pages are not even protected. Just wandlism here and there. Checker Fred (talk) 11:23, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

Yes, it seems strange. For some reason the individual character pages haven't been on their radar. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 14:57, 6 April 2010 (UTC)


Hello! I noticed you created the Template:Stribe to prevent edit wars. I absolutely 100% agree with the consensus. Is there a way to change font colors on a certain template? I'm askin' this because I believe the font colors for the pre-merge Survivor: Micronesia tribes—Airai and Malakal—are an incorrect match. Could you change it to a white font color? Here's an example, with the proposed font colors in the above table. —Untitledmind72 (talk) 21:51, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

Airai Malakal (Dabu)
Airai Malakal (Dabu)
Seems reasonable to me, but perhaps you should propose it on the general season talk page. I don't think many people watch the Stribe template talk page. Plastikspork (talk) 23:28, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
I though the template could only be edited by you or, possibly, another admin? —Untitledmind72 (talk) 22:52, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
No, technically anyone can update the colors in {{stribe/color}}, but any color changes should (hopefully) be proposed first on the individual season talk page to obtain consensus (or at least lack of objection). Go ahead and propose something. If no one objects after a few days, then go for it. Thanks! Plastikspork (talk) 01:31, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

Protected templates needing edit

If you have a moment, I'd be grateful for your attention at:

Where uncontested but unfulfilled {{Editprotected}} requests are holding up my work; and at

where you rightly raised an issue with my proposal. No worries if you're busy elsewhere.

Cheers, Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 14:10, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

Done. Thanks! Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 16:38, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
No; thank you. The latter case should now make several template mergers (or sub-calls) possible Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 22:52, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

ADHS templates

All gone. Imzadi 1979  19:15, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

template:convert change breaks ocean

You're the last guy to edit this template by far, and I can't touch it due to protection status. There's also a second page linking to breakage phenomena Template:Convert/f which doesn't exist. The broken instance pertains to C|F temperature conversion. Other uses appear OK. — MaxEnt 23:43, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

Where exactly? I don't see any problems? Also, you should make sure you use a capital F? Thanks! Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 23:48, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
Okay, it looks like you fixed it. Thanks! Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 23:50, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
You're quick. I was just writing back, after it occurred to me to double check an assumption. I thought maybe it should be invoked C|F rather than C|f. I changed this, and now it works. Did this work at some past time? I don't know which side the problem originated on. Wikipedia is very slow for me right now (not normal). Ocean page had a bad use of convert at least to beginning of March. I'm surprised for such a mainstream page. — MaxEnt 23:54, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
I don't know if that used to work or not. There might have been some changes in the backend software that broke this feature. Thanks! Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 23:57, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

deletion of older orphaned templates

RE: Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2010_April_8

If you would like, I can close these template for discussions and merge all of them into other articles, in case other editors would like to use these templates in the future. This will save a lot of time of having to wait for a week for them to be deleted, if they are unmerged, I will put them up for deletion myself. Okip 00:35, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

I am assuming you are referring to the the BigBrother template? Go ahead and merge the contents with the talk page if you want. Thanks! Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 01:26, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
I was refering to all of the templates put up for deletion, actually, I cannot close and merge the big brother template because someone !voted delete, they would have to agree first. Thanks for considering it :) let me know if you would like to merge the other templates in which only you are the nominator and I have commented. Thanks. Okip 01:34, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

Infobox Indian jurisdiction

Hi. Giood news finally an svg for Tamil Nadu File:India Tamil Nadu location map.svg. Can you edit the infobox Indian jurisdiction and permit it to add this map. Eventually I hope to replace all of those horrid colored maps. Dr. Blofeld White cat 19:40, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

I can take a look, but this template is rather complicated. It looks like there is a {{{base_map}}} which can override the choice of map, but the default is determined by {{Infobox Indian jurisdiction/Parameters}}. I'm not sure which map in that template should be repaced by this one? Or perhaps you could give me an example of a location that would use this map, and I can try to reverse the logic from there. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 15:37, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

Chennai. Dr. Blofeld White cat 20:18, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

Okay, it looks like the default is File:Tamil Nadu locator map.svg, which is already an SVG? Is this the map you want to replace? Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 18:41, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
Yeah replace it with File:India Tamil Nadu location map.svg. I'd imagine you programme it to do a if Tamil Nadu then India Tamil Nadu location map.svg instead of the default. Can you do this? Dr. Blofeld White cat 18:59, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
Right, but I was hoping to keep the same logic for all of them. I suppose the others might be changed as well in the future? Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 19:09, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

Ths definately need doing as we now have File:India Gujarat location map.svg and File:India Maharashtra location map.svg ‎too which also need to replace the others. I wonder how long it will take to make maps for all of the states... Otherwise you could probably replace the current default with India at the beginning. RIght? Dr. Blofeld White cat 19:10, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

Okay, the only potential difficulty will be if the dimension are different, and I have not investigated how the relative location of the pushpin is computed. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 19:12, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

Check out the map for Karnala fort. Now look at the map for say Panvel. Darn thing! The sooner we reaplce these colored districts maps the better. I've waited years to finally start to get hold of some decent Indian svgs!! If the dimensions are wrong I can ask Nordnordwest to tweak them wherever it is required. Dr. Blofeld White cat 19:15, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

Right, it's just that I don't know where the lat/long of the left/right/top/bottom of the map are specified. I have to look to see, and then see if they are the same for both maps. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 19:18, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

Actually, funnily enough the maps are based on the colored originals, you don't need to change any lat/long, just the darned colored maps! See File:India Gujarat location map.svg it is actuall the same projection as the current ones in use, this should make it much easier!! Dr. Blofeld White cat 19:19, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

Okay, that will be easy. Are there any others besides the three listed above? Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 19:21, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

Just those three so far, that I'm aware of. When more become available I'll let you know. Perhaps it can be updated weekly, depending on how many he makes. Fingers crossed though he will do the lot. Let me know when its done. If the template is editable, and there is a common pattern I will probably be able to change the future ones myself. Let me know when you've updated it. Dr. Blofeld White cat 19:23, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

I'm done. I was just checking a few to make sure nothing went horribly wrong. I think there are some very minor differences in the scale, but nothing that is noticeable, given the size of the pin. I may tweak the lat/long spans later if I can figure out the exact lat/long coordinates of the edges of the new maps. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 19:44, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
Okay, I just tweaked the coordinate ranges as well using the values reported on the individual map pages. They were all very close, so I am assuming they are correct. If you change more, you just move the name down to the next line, then update the ranges. If you check my last two edits to the parameters template, you should get the idea. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 19:54, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

Wow check out Chennai. That's a tremendous improvement in quality. Thanks! Dr. Blofeld White cat 20:19, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

RE: Official sources

Hey, I just wanted to make sure my source is good enough regarding Sean Duffy (Wisconsin)'s article. His official Twitter and Facebook both note the birth of his sixth child - is that enough? They're his own media, so they're primary sources, right? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gamingexpert (talkcontribs) 23:27, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

The Facebook link is probably better than the Twitter, but they are both suboptimal. Since he has an official campaign website, it would be great if we could like to a story that is referenced there, or some sort of an official press release. The problem with Facebook and Twitter is that it is hard to verify that they are legitimate accounts. Thanks for checking, and looking for sources. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 18:33, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

Template:Italian people

Unbelievable. One vote and that's it: deleted. How low is going wikipedia....there it is too much hate! The wiki project soon or later will pay the consequences....Luigi —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 00:44, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

If you don't feel the merger was justified, then please open a thread at WP:DRV. Thanks! Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 01:22, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

Infobox Film festival

Hi can you add another image parameter. See Cannes Film Festival. I want the patchwork to go inside the infobox underneath the logo.. Dr. Blofeld White cat 10:56, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

Done. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 14:39, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

Looks good, thanks O plastic one. The creator of the colored Indian maps came moaning earlier. Funny as he only has a handful of edits in two years. I've told him that if he created us some new maps in the new style with railway markings he can do so. If not, then he'll have to put up with the changes...He at least admits the new maps are of a better visual quality.. Dr. Blofeld White cat 14:43, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

I was wondering how simple it would be to run a script to do this. Basically the coordinates were worked out from the UN maps with User:The Anome who rans his bot adding decimal coordinates at the top. However, the vast majority of the Village Development Committees as yet don't have a pin map and DMS in the infoboxes. WOuld it be possible to run a script copying the DMS from the decimal coordinates at the top of these articles and displaying the pin maps as in the example shown above. I could start it manually but the task is too tiresome even for an evil genius like myself. Could this be done easily using a script? Dr. Blofeld White cat 15:11, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

If the coordinates are in the article, then yes, it would be pretty easy to do. By the way, wouldn't it be even better to remove the duplication and have only one place where the coordinates are specified? Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 15:15, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

Probably! Yes add the title parameter to the infobox so it also displays at the top. Just a case of it reading them first , converting to DMS within the infobox and then removing the decimal at the bottom. If that can be done by all means go for it. I've tried expanding a few like Amalachaur which is OK but as you can imagine the sources available on rural Nepal as yet on the web or very scrappy. Pleasantly though I've seen a number of photos added to the stubs by trekkers in various places and some of the places look fantastic! Very beautiful country Nepal... Dr. Blofeld White cat 15:50, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

Okay, I will see if I can code something up. I have already coded up most of this in AWB for other clean-up projects. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 20:16, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

Infobox journalist

A job for you, perhaps? Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 20:06, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

Done. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 20:16, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
Thanks, but I was referring to the merger suggestion there! Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 20:26, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
Oh, right. That would take a bit more time. Which fields need to be merged? Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 20:28, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
Details at Template talk:Infobox person#Other. Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 20:36, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

Category: Microformats

Hi again,

You added Category: Microformats to several templates today. The category is used for articles about microformats; we already have Category: WikiProject Microformats, on their talk pages, via the project template. Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 20:45, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

Yes, so you would like these categorized in Category: WikiProject Microformats? They are currently showing up as uncategorized templates. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 20:51, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
Okay, I changed the cat to Category:Template namespace templates. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 21:02, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
That's great; thanks. The reason they were showing as uncategorised is that the microformat category is on their talk pages. Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 21:39, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
Yes, I figured that out. This will keep them from falling in the uncat list. Also, I noticed that some have an <includeonly> around the other cats, and some don't. It probably doesn't matter, but something I noticed. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 21:59, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

Evan Starkman page

Okay, well I don't really know what else to say, man. I added in his two clothing companies and tried to use reliable sources, but there aren't that many. So sorry..? that you don't think it's "relevant", but I think that a page for him is if people want to know more about individual competitors. I put a lot of work into this page and I think that everything is on point now--I revised it as much as I could after I got your warning. I'm sure you're busy with other pages, but please take a look and tell me what you think I need to do otherwise, cause I'm kind of at a loss and I'm new to making these pages.

Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Themaddzhatter (talkcontribs) 00:49, 14 April 2010

Responding on your talk page. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 01:00, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

Alrighty, I fixed it to the best of my ability - if you find anything else please let me know. I tried, that's all I can say. Thank you so much for you help with this, and I hope that it is up to your standards as of now. Themaddzhatter (talk) 02:13, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

Yes, that's even better. I think that is about as good as it's going to get. We shall see how the WP:AFD plays out. I still think that notability is an issue, but others may disagree. Thanks! Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 02:44, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

Shaiyb al-Banat

how come the coordinates in the infobox of this article are not lighted up in blue and do not open the connection to the "google-satellite charts" by clicking in them?--Sweetcorn (talk) 07:55, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

Yes, the coordinates field should not have a flag template in it. Thanks ! Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 15:18, 15 April 2010 (UTC)


is it possible for you to delete this page and create a redirect to Umm Ruwaba?--Sweetcorn (talk) 15:09, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

Done. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 15:17, 15 April 2010 (UTC)


Thanks, your note on Help talk:Template did the trick. Faesrwiki (talk) 15:54, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

Good to know. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 16:09, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

Re: Unblock request

Re your message: Thanks for the note. I see that Jpgordon has declined it, which is fine with me. I wasn't about to release the block. Enough was enough with him. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 04:00, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

Yes, I thought it would be good to have someone else take a look. It looks like we are all in agreement. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 04:03, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

Infobox settlement/sandbox

I have some unrelated changes I'm eager to prototype in Template:Infobox settlement/sandbox, so I'd appreciate it if you'd integrate our "commas in population_total=" edits into the live template. Thanks,--Stepheng3 (talk) 12:28, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

Done. It took a bit of time to unravel all the subtemplates. Thanks! Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 15:03, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

Bot Undenied

Actually, a bot hasn't been "denied" per se. From the outcome of the discussion, I think there is consensus to use a bot to orphan the redirect. (talk) 19:51, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

I believe this has been denied as a "primary task", but it could be added as a secondary task. See thread below. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 20:29, 17 April 2010 (UTC)


Would it be possible to continue ophaning even tho the conversation isn't over?

Perhaps once the transclusion count has dropped a bit, then one could try again at WP:RFD.

— Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 18:21, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

Although the convo on wp:bot requests is not over, does you comment mean it would be ok if I continue on changing the otheruses4 to about? (talk) 20:22, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

Absolutely, but be cautious. I do this myself, and have even added to my WP:AWB settings as well as in other scripts that I write. I think the point is that this sort of a change should be made while making other changes. You will most likely run into resistance if you try to deploy something that doesn't make any other important changes while orphaning the redirect. You should see if you can get this added to the general fixes in WP:AWB. There are lots of WP:AWB users and they could be helping with the process. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 20:28, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
Hmm, there are many points of contention on the discussion. Some people say that once this happens, the template will be orphaned and then this would not be necessary on AWB. Other editors say that it would be faster if they added it on another program. And then I say and others say that if we just use a bot to orphan it, this would be the fastest method. The problem with scripting these programs such as AWB is that once the template is orphaned, it will be more "work" to take it out again.
Also, the reason I asked is because of [1]. There was opposition for me to orphan this template while the discussion was ongoing, but it seems we have consensus to orphan via bot, but we still need some time before the discussion can be archived. (talk) 20:35, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
There is no question that having a bot rip through the list of transclusions, (e.g., User:Plastikspork/MediaWiki), would be the fastest. However, first one would have to obtain bot approval, and this would potentially irritate people as causing unnecessary server load to re-cache all these pages. Similar tasks are already being performed by WP:AWB. This would take longer, but wouldn't require getting a bot approved, and would mean that it would happen with other more critical fixes. I think the major objection is that this is not critical, and hence can be performed in a more passive manner. Thanks! Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 20:43, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
Hmm, this cashing argument might be the main opposing reason. Can you teach me? Thanks! TIA174.3.123.220 (talk) 20:46, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
Yes, it's cache not cash. Basically, everytime a page is changed, WP generates an equivalent html version. This allows the server to deliver the pages quickly, and saves time regenerating the html everytime a page is loaded. If you make lots of minor trivial edits to a page, you force the server to regenerate the html for no reason. Also, it clogs up the edit history with trivial changes. This isn't an issue for small lists of templates, but becomes an issue when you have tens of thousands of pages. Thanks! Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 20:49, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
So I guess it wouldn't matter how this redirect gets orphaned, as long as it gets orphaned eh. I'm trying to submit this change to AWB. Could you help me? Thanks in advance again. (talk) 20:57, 17 April 2010 (UTC)


Please report YellowMonkey as I believe he constantly oversteps his authority. Last post he accused Javed Burki of having a Bengali brother. Considering the history of the two conuntries this is derragatory. Its not clear how people like YellowMonkey are given special privelages by Wikki. Thanks! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 22khan (talkcontribs) 16:34, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

You can report YellowMonkey yourself. Here is the link. Thanks! Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 16:35, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

Filmography table headings

Hi. That RfC has closed and a template will be used. Could you review it and comment on any concerns prior to it being widely deployed?

Cheers, Jack Merridew 18:32, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

Falling rain

Hi. See User talk:Orderinchaos and the discussion link. We have 9000, well probably 10,000 articles now using incorrect data from falling rain or using it as a source. The reasonw hy it hasn't been black listed to date is that some individuals think that removing the links will be problematic. How hard would it be to remove the links and references using a bot. Where the reference is couldn't the bot be programmed to remove the sentencing or figure preceding it? I cannot believe that people think it is acceptable to have 9000 known false articles to remain so because they think it can't be removed. Dr. Blofeld White cat 16:05, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

Tila Tequila


I enjoy the website but the page on Tila Tequila is desperately in need of some editing. At the moment it reads like her own PR bio:

"Nguyen will be launching an all new celebrity gossip site called "Tila OMG". "" was originally intended to be launched on April 1, 2010, however, it was unable to. The delay was caused by too much network trafficing to the site, so Nguyen had to hire a whole new team to get her a bigger server. The site is still expected to be launching during the month of April 2010. Nguyen has promised that her new gossip blog will be like no other gossip site out there. She has also stated that there will be exclusive celebrity interviews and real stories that will not be fabricated. Nguyen has also mentioned that her new site will put "Piggy Perez's" gossip site out of business.[43][44]"

It's embarrassing!


Andrew —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 17:28, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, it's pretty bad. You should get an account and help out. Thanks! Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 18:03, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

Removal of placeholder images

Have you discussed this mass removal at Wikiships? I don't think you should make any further deletions of the placeholder image for ships until you have done so. Gatoclass (talk) 07:47, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

Started a discussion here. Gatoclass (talk) 07:48, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for the link. I will cease removal until there is further resolution on the subject. Thank you. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 16:42, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

Fix Tfd template

Could you fix the issue raised in Template_talk:Tfd#the_big_box_version, please? Debresser (talk) 12:07, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

Close Tfd discussion

I noticed only Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion#Template:Expand isn't closed yet of 17 April's nominations. I had a look at it, and it looks like a typical case of "No consensus to delete". Debresser (talk) 12:41, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

Infobox Power Station

Hello Plastikspork. I've noticed that you have done some changes to Template:Infobox power station recently. To edit myself, I am not very good with infoboxes yet. So would it be controversial if asked you to change the coordinates to DMS format as in Template:Infobox dam? Also, if it is not too much work, could you have a peek on Template talk:Infobox power station and see if you could help impliment any of those suggestions? Thanks! Rehman(+) 02:16, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

The syntax is exactly the same. I copied it from {{Infobox dam}}. I just didn't have a chance to update the documentation. Let me know if there is a problem. Thanks! Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 02:42, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
No problems. Was just asking Face-smile.svg. Kind regards. Rehman(+) 04:39, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
You can set your own preference for how coordinates display; see {{Coord}}. Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 21:54, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

Re: Dead Link

Hey Plastikspork

Thanks for pointing that out, I will take care next time. :-) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hunnyhiteshseth (talkcontribs) 17:24, 26 April 2010

Thank you for your help. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 19:28, 26 April 2010 (UTC)


Your comment is so hard to construe other than as sarcasm as to preclude on-topic comment by me without a discussion that would be at best distracting. I don't think it should be erased, and i'm not going to speculate on whether striking it thru would dispose me to re-engage.
--Jerzyt 09:20, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

Sorry you were offended by my comment. It wasn't sarcastic. I simply wanted to know where you were planning to use it next, and that I was genuinely glad that I was able to help you locate a template that you had forgotten about. I often go through the list of orphaned templates to try to figure out what they are used for, document them if possible, and propose them for deletion if they won't be put to use in the future. Thanks! Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 13:42, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

SPOILERS on the Fresh Meat II page

Hello Plastikspork. I just thought I'd bring to your attention that SOMEBODY posted some spoilers on the Fresh Meat II page, including an elimination order. When I scrolled down, I QUICKLY looked away when some unknown user spoiled the Episode table. Fortunately, for me, I didn't have my glasses on when I saw the table.

So, in light of this, I strongly suggest that the Fresh Meat II page is semi-protected until the season ends (likely through mid-June).

Thank you. DPH1110 (talk) 16:59, 30 April 2010 (UTC)DPH1110

Done. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 17:12, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

Images in ship infoboxes

No need to worry about removing the placeholders manually, since Earwigbot is currently going through a BRfA, so this is likely to be done automatically. - Kingpin13 (talk) 05:14, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

Okay, sure. My way was also basically automatic, in that it just required me to push the enter key for each one (perl script). This is better since it's "officially" approved as a bot. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 05:17, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

More Indian maps

File:India Jammu and Kashmir location map.svg and File:India West Bengal location map.svg. Can you do the update? Dr. Blofeld White cat 09:08, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

Don't worry, I figured it out.. Can you still do that Nepal map job in the infoboxes? Dr. Blofeld White cat 09:20, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

Yes, but it could take some time. I will make sure it is on the todo list. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 13:50, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

For some reason the Uttar Pradesh map is cocked up see Lucknow. Any idea why? Dr. Blofeld White cat 15:51, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

Okay, I believe I fixed it. The bug was introduced when you made your most recent changes to the parameters page. Basically, it appears as though you made inadvertent changes to some of the other cases in the switch statement. It may take a bit before the server re-caches them, so they may look funny for a bit. One could always force a purge by saving the page after making no changes. If you are interested in how I fixed it, you can look at the changes to that template. Basically this is how a switch statement works:
{{#switch: {{{var}}}
| A 
| B = This displays if var is equal to A or B
| C
| D = This displays if var is equal to C or D
So, when you added a new case in the middle, you changed the ones without equal signs that were before it. Thanks for pointing out the problem. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 16:13, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

Ahh I see. Thanks for that. I have one small further request. See Casino Lisboa, Macau. Can you edit Infobox Hotel with a restaurant section and merge the other infobox paramters and information into the single infobox? I'd imagine you'd only need to do one slight change, have Restaurant Information as a shaded grey central header and then just add a Restaurant name parameter...

Or we could just chain the two using some embedding. I will have a look next. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 19:34, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
I'm not exactly sure the best way to resolve this. It seems like the restaurant and casino/hotel are often very distinct places, and there may be a section just about the restaurant. I did add some logic to {{Infobox restaurant}} which could allow you to change the coloring of the headings (although I'm not sure if this is the best idea). This could make the two look better together on the same page. That particular page is a bit of a problem, since there is so little text and so many floating objects. It may be good to create a gallery at the bottom or something. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 19:50, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

Vegas baby. I made a map of Downtown Vegas and look at Mandarin Oriental, Las Vegas. It works!!! I tried to add the pushpin map option to Infobox Casino. However it doesn't work. Could you see why? I added the location map details into the template but it doesn't work... Once that's done I can add maps to the casinos baby.. Give me love to K².

Okay, I cleaned up and documented the pushpin map and coordinates features in {{Infobox casino}}. This should work now. And yes, I will tell her hello, she is enjoying the warmer weather. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 19:34, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

Also why isn't the map working on National Museum Cardiff?

They are using a different field names for the coordinates (lat_deg, lon_deg, ...). We could allow for both, but this would add some complexity to the template. It would be great if there were a standard for these field names and all templates just used the standard. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 19:34, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

One FINAL request. I won't both for you (for a few days at least anyway!!) after this. Can you add the pushpin map parameters to Template:Infobox skyscraper. You see I've begun an open street map city mapping project, making maps for major cities and locating city landmarks on them. I've just made Template:Location map Canada Toronto and Template:Location map Australia Sydney and shortly I will make one for Dubai. So skyscrapers really need the pushpin! Dr. Blofeld White cat 18:32, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

Okay, I will have a look. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 19:50, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
Can we just merge this template with {{Infobox_building}}? That template already has the pushpin map and I don't see why we need a separate infobox for skyscrapers. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 19:54, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

I was thinking exactly the same thing last night and was thinking about contacting you today to make a merging proposal. Browsing yesterday I was alarmed to see how many template we have for buildings and lack of consistency. When does one use a skyscraper infobox, building infobox, hotel infobox, or casino infobox ya know? I'm not say some seperate infoboxes don't have their merits but I strongly think we ought to do something about this infobox building reduncancy we see everywhere. If we don't do something about it asap within a few years it will be virtually beyond control. I propose that where possible we stick to an infobox building but incorporate the designs from other templates so when it reads say skyscraper you can add the relative details in the familiar graphic. I'd like to see a simple pushpin_map replacing the "map-type" for infobox building as I know several people couldn't work it out. What I thinking of if somebody could draw up a list of all the building infoboxes we have on wikipedia and try to come to an agreement to merge as many as possible. Sound good? Dr. Blofeld White cat 15:06, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

Yep I think a super template is the way to go. Echoing what you also said about National Museum Cardiff if it was a standard building template using pushpin_map we wouldn't need to spend so much time trying to make the others have the same. In my view the vast majority of the building templates are redundant really. If we had a super building template catering for the different types of buildings we coudl strive for consistency and avoid the maintenance problems. The place of worship infobox is excellent in this respect but recently I've been noticing various "church" templates appearing.....

Right, there isn't any reason to go for a single super template all at once, but slowly merging the obvious ones into more general templates is a good start. In addition, making sure that the field names are the same is also good. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 15:28, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

Oh I agree, it will have to be done bit by bit... We could start by proposing to merge infobox skyscraper with infobox building and changing the map_type to pushpin_map for infobox building.. Dr. Blofeld White cat 16:03, 3 May 2010 (UTC)


Your obviously did not have a look at the whole situation. Please do before warning me. You do not seem to be as neutral as an administrator is supposed to be. --Pylambert (talk) 18:11, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

No, there is no reason to continuously revert the removal of a warning from a user's talk page. I have no comment on the other issues. Thank you. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 18:49, 1 May 2010 (UTC)


I appreciate it I'm grateful for the nice note you put on my talk and still more than a little put out by that ridiculous block. Wikipedia is not worth real life stress, and kind words defray tension. —Justin (koavf)TCM☯ 16:34, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

No problem. I really wasn't paying attention to what caused the block drama, but I do remember positive interactions with you at WP:TFD, and I look forward to continuing to work with you in the future. I cringe each time I see a block after the User:Erik9/User:John254 incident. He was one of the biggest assets to TFD, running a very helpful bot, and he had to go rogue and get an indef. Life is too short to spend it fighting with folks on WP of all places. All the best. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 19:59, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

Unit pref

Thanks for your note. It is done anyway, threw up a number of articles where a massive chunk had been vandalised out of the infobox, so some collateral benefit too. Incidentally the US census figures are based on sq metres and converted into both sq km and sq mi by the Bureau, for a long time they were all given sq km first. Someone has replaced a lot of the in-text figures (which are both in the source) with resource intensive "converts". Oh well, 2010 figures will be out in a bit. Rich Farmbrough, 21:27, 2 May 2010 (UTC).


Thanks for that. My proofreading sucks. — ξxplicit 22:48, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

No problem, I have done much worse. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 22:50, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Evan Starkman

I'm sorry I had to close this "keep" with only 2 !votes. The article being a BLP I would have been more comfortable closing it if there were a few more opinions but the article did have some sources and the debate had been open for 21 days. --Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:47, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

No need to apologize. I think it's on the cusp, but no harm in having it here now that the shameless promotional material has been cleaned up. Thanks! Plastikspork (talk) 01:48, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

Hurricane "Dabs"

Small world! My msg at User_talk:Juliancolton#Hurricane "Dabs", and reply, follow:

There's been (ah, Wikt saves the day with a synonym...) a goat rope created in response to the diffident TfD on {{Hurricane_disambig}}: all main-namespace instances of it were apparently replaced with {{Disambig}}, without making those transcluding pages MoSDab-compliant. It appears to me the deprecated Tl was intended to do something similar to what i thot i recalled as a well-accepted {{ship-disambig}} but seems to in fact be {{shipindex}} (which much better describes the tagged pages' role than "ship-disambig" would). My Dab'n colleague User:Boleyn tagged Hurricane Charley (disambiguation) (and presumably several others in the Bs and Cs) for {{Disambig-cleanup}} (quite reasonably), but i think the correct disposition is not to strip such pages down to compliant Dabs but to retag them with something like {{hurricaneindex}} or {{stormindex}}, as would presumably have been provided by an adequate outcome of the TfD process.
Yours was the only name on Wp:WikiProject Tropical cyclones#Participants that i recognize from my wanderings around the 'pedia, so i hope you can at least advise me on the prospect of the proj undertaking or endorsing the retrofitting of such a template to all of the applicable pgs. (Hopefully that would include at least those previously tagged with {{Hurricane_disambig}}, tho i'm unaware of how to efficiently find the former members of cats -- are there periodic snapshots of Cats' respective memberships?).
--Jerzyt 22:45, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

Hmm... I've never been good with dabs, and I'm left scratching my head trying to understand that. It doesn't seem like it's crucial to have an understanding of tropical cyclones in order to fix the issue, though. I think Plastikspork (talk · contribs) would be able to help if you ping him. Regards, –Juliancolton | Talk 22:59, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

Sounds as if JC sees no issues re "cyclone guidelines", but i'm not clear that my Dab experience qualifies me to write an appropriate template, or efficiently & thoroly find the places it should be used.
--Jerzyt 09:49, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

I will have a look later today. Thanks! Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 14:37, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
Typhoon Anding
Hurricane Andres
Hurricane Charley (disambiguation)
Tropical Storm Chris
Hurricane Dalila
Typhoon Damrey
Hurricane Daniel
Hurricane Danielle
Hurricane Danny
Typhoon Dante
Tropical Storm David (disambiguation)
Hurricane Genevieve
Tropical Storm George
Typhoon Jangmi
Typhoon Milenyo
Typhoon Quinta
Typhoon Rammasun
Tropical Storm Ramona
Tropical Storm Rick
They begin variously with Hurricane, Tropical Storm, and Typhoon in this sample, but Cyclone seems like another possibility, and there may be others i've not thot of. Whether some are hidden away, with say multiple Hurricane Tom variants appearing within Tom.
(Tom does BTW have two variations on "Tom River", which is not problematic since all the Dab'n of "Tom River" is handled by HatNote Dab on the primary-topic pg Tom River.)
--Jerzyt 20:04, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

NYCS templates

Can you restore {{NYCS lines}}? I need it for an implementation of {{S-line}} for the New York City Subway.

Could you also restore the other NYCS templates as well, at least for a limited time? It looks like all but the first five are not needed anymore, but I want to inspect them. I will tell you when I'm finished inspecting.

  • {{NYCS Brighton south express}}
  • {{NYCS Culver BMT center express}}
  • {{NYCS Eighth center local night}}
  • {{NYCS Hoyt-Schermerhorn local}}
  • {{NYCS JFK}}
  • {{NYCS abandoned}}
  • {{NYCS acc sub}}
  • {{NYCS cross island}}
  • {{NYCS cross no}}
  • {{NYCS cross yes}}
  • {{NYCS light blue}}
  • {{NYCS service map}}
  • {{NYCS station 3}}
  • {{NYCS station 5}}
  • {{NYCS station header small}}

Tinlinkin (talk) 23:44, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

Done. Most of them were untouched since 2005, so with the orphaned status, I figured they were out of use. However, I am happy to restore them if you think they can serve a purpose. Thanks! Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 23:48, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
Thanks so much. You may delete those that I crossed out. You can also delete {{NYCS station row}} (and its redirect) and {{NYCS station header}} (and its redirect). I added the first and fourth templates to articles, and the third as a listing to here, although I don't know if that template will be used in any articles. The second is an alias of another template, so I will redirect that. Tinlinkin (talk) 01:48, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
Done. Thanks for sorting it all out. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 01:56, 5 May 2010 (UTC)


It's not original research. Source is the episode(s). Anyone who's seen it will agree. Look it up on CBS, you obviously haven't seen it or heard of it. The tribes have merged, Rupert and Colby are still there, all the other heroes except Candice (who has flipped to the Villains) are gone.

Sorry if I sound a bit rude, especially if you are an admin (though I don't know whether or not you are). If there is a way to list the movie or episode as the source, tell me so I can cite them in the future and not have so many removed on account of "original research". No offense intended, but wikipedia is a little narrow-minded that way, that's why articles on wikis like Star Wars and Dragonball and Harry Potter are all jacked up with more info. I already have an arch-nemesis on here (don't worry, it's not you, but I am not in a position to insult him or argue with him much). I don't make a lot of edits unless I think a crucial detail is missing or a critical mistake has been made, so as to avoid antagonizing him further. Usually I just do plot summaries for stub articles. Ghostkaiba297 (talk) 04:11, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for your help. Yes, I do watch the show. If you wan to cite an episode, try {{cite episode}}. However, we should avoid WP:SYNTH which often comes from making undue comparisons between episodes, or speculation about conspiracy theories, etc. I'm sorry to hear that you have an arch-nemesis. I believe this is one of the things that wikipedia is not. Thanks! Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 14:37, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

Template:Location map Wales Vale of Glamorgan

Hi I made this map. Ingenious isn't it? LOL. Can you update Template:Infobox UK place so where it reads Vale of Glamorgan in the infobox it displays it on a regional locator rather than Wales. It should look like Cardiff Airport. I've added a window in the corner to show where in Wales it is. I plan on making other similar maps if this looks good. There doesn't appear to be any objection to this on the talk page. Of course English counties all have county locators, why not Wales too eh? If you could also do the same with Template:Location map Wales Pembrokeshire.

Dr. Blofeld White cat 13:46, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

It looks like the logic in {{Infobox UK place/local}} will need considerable updating to allow for another level for Wales. This might take a bit. Can you give me an example of a place in Wales that is using a sub-optimal map? I can try to trace it back from there. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 15:27, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

I've also made Template:Location map Wales Anglesey. I'll wait now to see how it looks. OK. Try say Barry, Vale of Glamorgan for Vale of Glamorgan, try say Amroth for Pembrokeshire etc. See Ambrosden for example in Oxfordshire, England. I want the same template to recognize the county level for the three maps I've made so far and display them in this way. I believe England reads the Shire County. For Wales I think it needs to read the "Principal area"/ Adminstrative divisions of Wales parameter. SO I think it needs to read something like if Principal area=Vale of Glamorgan then Location map Wales Vale of Glamorgan etc... If this works and you install the three I'll make 19 other maps for Wales. Dr. Blofeld White cat 15:45, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

Yep it looks good see Haverfordwest Castle and Beaumaris Castle. Dr. Blofeld White cat

Mancala 2x6 plus 2

Hey, thanks for moving the template for me. Merging the various mancala templates seems like a good idea, but I'm busy with other projects these days so I'll leave that to someone else if they want. My guess is the current situation is good enough for now. -- Kevin Saff (talk) 16:45, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

Problems with Template:Coord

I have reverted your edit to {{Coord}} and posted to Template talk:Coord#Error checking. Hopefully I didn't break other things by reverting. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:53, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

Sounds good. I was hoping someone would revert it if it caused problems. Thanks! Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 01:20, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

Eleven-day TfD??

I just found this TfD for a template ({{CGNDB}} I had requested created some time ago and had regular use for; I don't like its successor one little bit and am effectively boycotting it as "too much work" - when you use stuff like this in volume those extra few minutes add up to a lot in the course of a day, even more in the course of a week or month. What galls me here is that, from what I can see, no attempt was made to notify the participants of WikiProject Canada - where I would have noticed it - and I doubt (but am not sure because I can't check as its edit history is gone) that the person who created it for me was notified either. Further, it was nominated on the 3, deleted on the 11th. Whuh?? Eleven days? I also consulted, or rather jumped down the throat of User:Droll tonight about the inception of {{cite cgndb}}-cum-{{cite cgn}} (which is now misnamed because of that move, IMO) and what I thought was his deletion of {{CGNDB}}; see User talk:Droll#cite cgn was a dumb idea as to why. I think you were very hasty in deleting this, and given that Canada was in the throes of the Olympics at the time (and many of us were involved with related material to do with that), I had no call to try using {{CGNDB}} during that period in order to discover it was deleted. HASTILY deleted. Might have helped if you, or someone, had looked to see the creators of pages where it was in use so that we could be notified and/or that its creator was notified (same person who created, as I recall {{BCGNIS}} and {{gnis}} because that's who I asked to get it made...). {{cite cgn}} is too much work, and too pointless, for me to bother with, and IT should be deprecated - i.e. tossed in the refuse bin of overworked code and CFWT's ("colossal f**king waste of time"). Canadian Geographic Names Database items, like BCGNIS and GNIS, are permanent records and do not have dates, do not change, and there's no reason to have garbage like "date accessed" on them. There's one heck of a lot of deleting going on in Wikipedia these days, IMO, and not very much useful creation of consideration of content, or those who do create content; the desires and ambitions of those who wish to regulate and design content, on the other hand, seem to be running amuck. I'll be filing a deletion review on this; I think it was hogwash, and hastily done.....Skookum1 (talk) 02:54, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Eleven days is a bit long for a TFD, but the number of responses is fairly typical. There are ways to create substitution shortcuts for longer templates if you would like to explore that as an option. Let me know if (and when) you file a DRV. Thanks! Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 03:03, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
I just checked Mktoews - see here - and there was a notification and it's clear he/she hasn't been around since the notification was posted. I have no idea waht you mean by "There are ways to create substitution shortcuts for longer templates if you would like to explore that as an option" when the easiest solution is to simply reinstated the very-simple original template, not "create substitution shortcuts"; I'm interesting in creating content, not garbaging around with "creating substitution chortcuts"....Wikipedia is increasingly run by coders, deleters, regulators, and fussing-around-with-meaningless-crap....I'm more interested in improving content and conserving time, not having to argue to reinstate things that were wantonly deleted. It also is apparent, from what Droll had to say, that he didn't create {{cite cgn}} in order to deprecate this one, and that somebody else added that line in order to justify the deprecation. Make work, make work, make work, and waste the time of people trying to do useful things......figuring this out and hunting this down and arguing the point has wasted an hour of my time. Fuck it, I'm just boycotting the "cite" template and gonna use straight URLs from now on and let somebody else fuck around with the meaningless formatting protocols. Sorry to be so harsh, but it's my time that your hastiness wasted, and was also wasted by the TfD's nominator....too many chiefs, not enough Indians, like they say in my part of the world....I could have created or improved a large number of articles for all the energy this has taken, only to be handed a Kafkaesque "you can file a deletion review" argument, or "you can create a substitution shortcut. I shouldn't BLEEDING have to, for pity's sake. This was a stupid deletion, and a stupid TfD. Why can't all you geek freaks just leave well enough alone. "If it ain't broke, don't fix it". What all this kind of crap is "fixing" is my interest in Wikipedia, which is increasingly frustrating because of all of this kind of nonsense....Skookum1 (talk) 03:15, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
I simply closed the TFD after reading the discussion. If you are asking me to do something, then simply ask. If you want me to help you make a task easier, then explain what you are trying to accomplish. I respond much better to simple requests and not so well to long tirades. By the way, I probably wouldn't notice if someone just simply recreated the deleted template. I believe it got listed at TFD after it found its way into a category of deprecated templates. This happened after someone tagged it as deprecated. If you want me to me to move it to your userspace, where you can inspect the edit history, I can do that as well. Thanks! Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 03:21, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
Well, thanks for letting me see that, as it's shown me that Droll was playing dodge'em when he claimed he wasn't repsonsible for the deletion; no, not technically but he was responsible for the deprecation adn the quick-thereafter deletion. Are any of you even Canadians, i.e. aware of the uses of this template and what articles it's used on and why it came into being?? Its creator was nominated, though not around, but the Wikiproject it's related to wasn't....see my latest comments to Droll and note that, despite my once-great interest in expanding Wikipedia and "covering" my region of interest as thoroughly; and efficiently as possible, I find myself wasting more time dealing with crap like this than in doing anything useful. Too many admins, not enough contributors.....making things more difficult for people, instead of easier, seems to be an obsession with "you folks".....I wonder how many of my edits are actually having to deal with meaningless admin-games rather than worthwhile contributions....I'm a historian, geographer and know my stuff; and I'm having my valuable time and energy wasted and disaffected by people who want to play regulation games, or designing/redesigning templates that don't need designing/redesigning, but sure must be fun for people who like to play with code; I'm old and don't have time for enthusiastic juvenalia of this kind, and tired of having to deal with it all the time and being given "take this down the hall and apply at room 414 and t hen fill out in triplicate" and oh, here, "don't forget to fill this out too", and "we broke your toy, but here take it back maybe you can get it fixed if enough of us approve of it". More admins than editors, that's how I'll always remember Wikipedia, and at some point I'll be gone, despite lots of content projects I've wanted to get to and which I think are important. But when you're constantly thrown involved and elaborate procedures on largely-meaningless issues, well, there's only so many years in a person's life, and this project has used up far too many of mine.....yes, the geeks will rule the world...or rather, they will destroy what's remembered of it in favour of makign sure those remembrances are properly formatted. the actual content doesn't matter to them. How did McLuhan put it? - "the medium is the message" - and the message I'm getting from admins and geekery-mongers is that the format is more important than anything else, contributions particularly. You guys'll all make good bureaucrats, or already are, rather.....but in the process knowledge is being lost, or deleted, and those with the knowledge are being driven away in droves.....Skookum1 (talk) 03:59, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
Sorry about the abuse. I re-instantiated {{CGNDB}}. It just transcludes {{cite cgn}}. I did this against my better judgment. I don't like the fact that the feature name defaults to the page name as page names change sometimes. I believed that's been discussed elsewhere. I think the name calling and vocabulary is problematic but I'm just going let it go. –droll [chat] 05:31, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
Okay, I restored the doc and the prior history. I don't see why a simple redirect couldn't be made to work as well. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 06:43, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Cite cgn page still uses Cite cgndb in its usage notes

You have new message/s Hello. You have a new message at droll's talk page. –droll [chat] 15:24, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Restored {{CGNDB}} has problems

There's a code error somewhere in it; here's what it generated on Teslin, Yukon:

^ (village)?C "Teslin, Yukon". Geographical Names Data Base. Natural Resources Canada. (village)?C.

...which is further odd, because on the page-display that final "C?" isn't on the display; best look at that page to see what I mean, because what I just copy-pasted doesn't look like what the display should read just "Teslin (village), Geographical Names Database, Natural Resources Canada" (and I think the old one just came out "Teslin (village), Canadian Geographical Names Database", i.e. period, though I can't remember now......and WTF with that "warning" on the {{CGNDB}} page ordering people to use {{cite cgn}} instead? You guys don't believe in giving people any choices, is what it smacks of to me; and the power is apparently in the hands of those who write code, not in teh hands of the people who need to use the template. I tried to remove that warning, but couldn't, I don't know how. Power to the coders, not the people.....Skookum1 (talk) 22:34, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Yes, that would be user error. As per the documentation, the code was not specified. Please refrain from saying "you guys" when you apparently don't know me that well. Okay, now perhaps we can start over? If you would like me to help you fix something, try "could you please have a look at Teslin, Yukon, the {{CGNDB}} template is not producing the results that I expected." I actually a very helpful person. Let me know if you need help looking up the code in the database. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 22:42, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Re: Interesting

Re your message: Something feels different about that account though. The editing pattern is different. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 20:52, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Yes, my hope as well. Thanks! Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 20:53, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

"attack edits" against BCGNIS by Droll

I'm stunned that Droll would continue his campaign to promote "cite" templates by removing all templates of a different kind, even though there's nothing AT ALL useful about his changed template, it only adds more characters to THOUSANDS of articles. I can't help but see this, I created vast numbers of articles using {{BCGNIS}} and article after article tonight (look at his user contributions) are adding another five characters "cite " AND also completely unncessary namefield information on thousands of unique-name articles. Part of the original point of {{BCGNIS}}, like {{gnis}}, is that they were streamlined, and meant to conserve characters and also be as easy/quick to use as possible. it's not just about the thousands of moments it takes, in total, for editors actually creating articles to use the "cite" templates, it's about the extra megabytage that eventually results as not just articles as they exist, but also their archived versions are multiplied over and over and over in Wikipedia's storage disks/archives. This is gross waste of space, gross gross gross, and I suppose it's fine if Droll is contributing lots of money to pay for all the extra servers his style of "contribution" is adding; it's also clearly confrontational behaviour meant to provoke me. My "recourse" would be to reverse all his useless, byte-eating "improvements" of the template system in all the thousands of articles I've created, but this is utterly inane and falls in the category of "useless waste of energy" as well as of wiki-serverspace. when I figure out where to complain about this, and about the promotion of the utterly meaningless expansion of template bytage, I will. But you as an admin shouldn't be defending this kind of nonsense, as it's clearly now he's grinding his little axe and "going after" a template that was working just fine until he decided he had a better idea. But it's not a better idea, it's just his pet baby. If he was actually creating geography articles instead of just making more work for those that do, it'd be different; but it's not. How much garbage are actual contributors supposed to take from code freaks anyway? If you, and him, are trying to drive people like me from Wikipedia, it's working, we're getting sick of this kind of garbage-mongering and time-wasting. ALL his edits tonight have done NOTHING to improve the articles in question, and the template he's substituting, as well as the extra namefields he (and you) have been adding are just a waste of space and nothing more. What he's doing, really, constitutes a form of willful vandalism....causing more work for others who either have to reverse his nonsensical edits, or who will later streamline the useless cite templates and the additional, needless character-wastage, by bot or by hand. Does he actually do anything useful??? I note your comment on his talkpage about "thoughtful reply". Maybe he, and you, should consider "thoughtful action", which what he's doing is anything but. WP:Canada editors in general have workedd to conserve character usage, inclucing in areas where unique names (which CAnada has plenty of, in the thousands) do not need disambiguation of any kind; the only rationale I've seen you two trade notes on about adding namefield info is "because there might be a name change later" but in cases like the Sheslay River or Chilcotin River there just NEVER WILL BE ANY because there are no such features anywhere on the planet.....Skookum1 (talk) 04:04, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

Also, his doing this "BCGNIS -> cite bcgnis + extra characters" nonsense on articles I've literally just created (Tuya River) constitutes digi-stalking. This is a serious may not think so, but I'm sure I can find other admins, as well as other geography contributors and template users, who will agree....Skookum1 (talk) 04:45, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
I don't see a big difference between the two templates, just that one is a shortcut to the other. As far as "conserving character use", that's not a major issue per Wikipedia:Don't worry about performance. My comment about his "thoughtful response" was that it does seem reasonable to have fairly uniform behavior of all citation templates. However, editing articles to make no change other than to switch the two templates seems a bit extreme (although I haven't checked his edits yet). If you want him to stop, you could always ask him, if you haven't already. If that doesn't work you can always ask for help, or for a second opinion. Thanks! Plastikspork (talk) 05:19, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
By the way, I personally donated around $1000 to WP, so that should cover at least 20 x 300 GB of disk space. I don't think I could personally type fast enough to fill even 100 GB of disk in text in a lifetime. Again, I don't think the disk usage for text is an issue. The speed with which we can type is often an issue, and forcing the server to continuously re-cache pages can be an issue. Plastikspork (talk) 05:22, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

Manas River

Hi. Can you add a map parameter to the river infobox (you may as well do the lake infobox as well) so you can place a map of the river system under the photograph. At present there is only the option for one image. Once you;ve done it please add File:Manas River map.jpg to Manas River infobox. Thanks. Dr. Blofeld White cat 11:05, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

Done, I will look at the lake box next. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 15:12, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

Nice one. Looks good. Dr. Blofeld White cat 15:25, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

It looks like the lake box already has an option for a second image. I just found {{Infobox River TR}}, which is entirely unnecessary. I am working to eliminate it. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 15:26, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

Hokay. Dr. Blofeld White cat 15:40, 12 May 2010 (UTC) Any idea why the map isn't working for Zograf Peak, it's baffling me. Dr. Blofeld White cat 19:40, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

I switched to another location map, there is probably a reason why {{Location map Antarctica}} has no transclusions. Strange things happen at the poles when computing projections. The funny thing is that it appears that {{Polar map Antarctica}} works, but adds a bunch of superfluous markers. I should try to sort out the issue, but it would take some time. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 20:06, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

How bizarre. What do we do about the infobox building thing? If we don't merge a number of them perhaps they could all be made consistent with a the pushpin map location parameters? Its just I'm fed up with everytime I want to add a frickin map to locate something we have so many gid damn infoboxes that the infobox I appraoch never seems to have it. The recent culprit is Template:Infobox Stadium. I wanted to add a Glasgow locator map to Hampden Park like I did with Glasgow International Hilton Hotel but once again I can't. What do we do about this inconsistency? Any idea how many infoboxes we have for buildings and how long it would take to add the same pushpin map option to them all? I copied the mapping parameters into the end of infobox stadium. It'll probably need moving up to data 4 rather than data 30. Dr. Blofeld White cat 21:53, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Don't worry I've done that. See 19th Avenue (San Francisco). I've created a set map showing the road but it is tiny. I can't access the template as it is locked. I believe it says 172 px which is WAY too small. Needs to be 250 or 260 px. Also it should have a seperate image parameter from the map parameter for a photo of the road. Can you tweak this and add the photo into the infobox. Set both at say 250 px default. Thanks. Dr. Blofeld White cat 10:05, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

The problem is that the image that you created is taller than it is wide. The template limits both the height and width of the image. The width limiter is set at 290px, which is quite wide, but the height is set at 172px. The best solution would be to reformat the image so that it is a bit wider, or a bit shorter. Part of the problem is the "north is up" convention. There is a hack, work around, in that if you specify "map_custom" you can pass the entire file command, rather than just the name of the file. I hacked it on the page in question, but I think it would be better to not hack it if possible. Thanks! Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 15:34, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
Isn't that a common feature of roads though? Not all roads are east to west.... Thanks. I currently have User:TonyTheTiger/Chicago building maps to add city maps too. I'll begin with the ones which currently have the pushpin options. The problem is that many of them use the skyscraper infoboxes. When you have a moment can you convert the infobox skyscraper basically replicating the ifnobox building and any paramaters unique to infobox skyscraper so they are merged. Then eventually a bot can be run to replace them all with infobox building. There seems to be a consensus about merging them.. Check out my Hotel Pulitzer. My map, my picture uploads! Looks very, errr, Dutch? Dr. Blofeld White cat 15:40, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

See the discussions at Template:Infobox nrhp and Template:Infobox settlement. If you think the black pin locator is worse or better please comment. Dr. Blofeld White cat 19:55, 15 May 2010 (UTC)


Looks like I caused a bit of confusion. At some point I moved {{cite cgndb}} to {{cite cgn}}. After reconsidering I think the first name is less esoteric and more accurately reflects the sites name. Of the 91 articles that use this template almost all transclude the redirect, cite cgndb. On the discussion page you mention cite cgn. I think it would be better to just use cite cngdb from the start as to avoid confusion. Sorry for the mix up. –droll [chat] 16:50, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

Sure, either way works for me. I'm less concerned about the name as I am about merging things, which is why I am perfectly fine with allowing redirects. Thanks! Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 16:54, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
Since neither of you even make Canadian geographic articles, why are you obsessing about something you don't understand but seem fully intended to remake? "CGNDB", as a name, is what has become a standard reference to the database, as opposed to the Canadian Geographic Names office/agency. The latest move to make-obsolete the restored CGNDB template by turning it into a redirect is just another example of time-wasting pointlessness. CGNDB, like BCGNIS and GNIS, have been working fine and nobody asked for them to be changed; I suppose it didn't occur to you to even ask at Wikipedia:WikiProject Geography of Canada as to whether anyone wanted any improvements huh? - you just went ahead and did it, even deleting the "rival" template to make way for your own. "If it ain't broke, don't fix it" is maybe something you didn't get taught in school. Neither, apparently, was anything to do with Canadian geography, or the systems attached to it already established in Wikipedia before you came along with your bulldozer mentality towards things you didn't invent and/or don't understand. Between the new TfD to make CGNDB a redirect, and Droll's bulldozing away the use of BCGNIS last night, this is an example of deletionism running amuck, and alienating regular editors, and putting power in the hands of the coders. "WP:Sofixit" and WP:BeBold have no relevance if what you're doing, ultimately, is aggressive and wantonly useless in nature; accusing me of being uncivil in language is all the more ironic when you have been uncivil in conduct. The original TfD was utterly unneeded, as was this one....I'm not trying to WP:Own the tempaltes in question, but you clearly are trying to own control over waht kind of templates are in use, even to the point of destroying not just useful templates but the good faith of those who use them - and originally created and requested them. Fine, have it your way; I will find other ways to express my knowledge of Canadian geography and history than bother with Wikipedia any further. I hope you're happy.Skookum1 (talk) 17:43, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
I don't think I mentioned it anywhere you might have seen it but I'm leaving on a trip tomorrow and I'll be off the grid mostly. So don't think that I got upset and disapeared. I see RedWolf mentiioned he might like the template name capitalized. I'd be happy with {{cite CGNDB}}. Actually I'll be happy with almost any result. –droll [chat] 22:01, 15 May 2010 (UTC)


Looks good. 300 px yes that's right, such is the shape 300 is best for Nepal.. Yeah there is one thing. If there is a district map within the infobox can you remove it? Unless it is actually a VCD locator highlted then I think it is pointless having the map in there and you can't see it unless you click it several times. They look pretty ugly. You'll find though most don't have the district maps in them but if you could take care of this, Thanks. Dr. Blofeld White cat 20:24, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

Okay, I will add that to the script. Do all of them have the name "...DistrictMap..."? If so, I can just match this to make sure I don't remove a good map. I will probably just comment them out, rather than remove them completely. Thanks! Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 20:58, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, if the infobox has a district generla map can you remove it like this?. That should be fine then, cheers. You'll find that all of Template:Rupandehi District have unwanted district maps I think.. Dr. Blofeld White cat 20:45, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

Sounds good. Hopefully my eyes don't glaze over while I am doing this and I miss something important. It looks like there are around 3000 pages. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 21:29, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

How about a Yeti scalp? Dr. Blofeld White cat 09:57, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

Nepalese fork.jpg

As you did so well completing all of those Nepalese VDCs last night I've made you a Nepalese fork especially for your collection. You ought to create a fork gallery just like TonytheTiger has a gallery of tigers. Where did you put the Italian fork I gave you?

Thanks! This is much better than the creepy scalp. The Italian fork is in the scrollbox on my userpage. I will look into creating a spoon/fork gallery if I have some free time. I do like interesting utensils. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 16:28, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

What was the reason you said This clickable mapping option wouldn't work? Its just the differing views on maps bloating infoboxes and people wanting different views of places all of the time makes this a high priority technology feature. Its definately the way forward.

See here. Please comment. Dr. Blofeld White cat 15:16, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

. Dr. Blofeld White cat 15:08, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

Okay, while traversing the all the articles, I made a list, User:Plastikspork/nepal, of the places in the Nepal category without infoboxes. I will try to add some to some of these if I have time. Many need to be categorized with the specific district, rather than just "City in Nepal". Some may be duplicates (alternative spellings) of other articles (I have already found about three that were the case). Thanks! Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 17:12, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

Great, yeah I also noticed some of the infoboxes had "Municipality" or "Village" in the settlement type. It should be Village development committee unless it is the district capital I think which should be Town. Yuck I was just browsing and remembered the Argentine infoboxes... Check out Tafí Viejo, Tucumán. The bad thing is that I don't think they are actually templates. city-header-ar, urrrghh that kind of infobox makes me ill with its sheer unnecessary complexity... I'll add it to your todo list... Dr. Blofeld White cat 18:21, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

If you puts things into perspective see Tengboche. We've written a full length article about a village within a VDC. Consider that there are several such villages in each VDC and the main village etc. Tengboche just happens to have more information available than most of the VDCs in Nepal because of tourism. Now imagine how it would look if all of the VDCs had the amount of information available as in the Tengboche article let alone for the smaller villages within them. It would start to look more like the real world wouldn't it? Dr. Blofeld White cat 10:08, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Templates on Commons

Hi, Plastik. Re this comment - I've noticed before that a template in one Wikimedia project can't be transcluded to a page which is part of another. Wouldn't it be great if we could? Then you would be able to put {{commons:pl}} into an English Wikipedia page. I suppose it means too many MediaWiki changes. --Redrose64 (talk) 11:00, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

Yes, I agree that would be great. As soon as {{de}} is orphaned, I would like to do the same for it as well. Some templates don't translate well, or not needed everywhere, but many do. One way to deal with the multi-lingual field name issue would be to create a simple frontend stub to the commons version that simply passes the parameters to the commons backend. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 16:17, 17 May 2010 (UTC)


FWIW I had removed that image (rather than moved it down) because I thought it was unflattering (I probably should have noted as such in the edit summary). Thoughts? (I'm not particularly bothered either way)xenotalk 18:27, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

I don't think it's particularly unflattering, but I don't feel that strongly about it. I just wish there were more images. By the way, I figured out exactly where it was taken. I am going to fix the info on commons. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 18:31, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
Not particularly, no (just the mouth agape). FWIW I couldn't find it at the stated source page... –xenotalk 18:36, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
I noticed the same thing. He probably reorganized his website post upload. In any event, at least we have his images in commons, with confirmed fair use ticketing. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 18:40, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
Kk. Cheers, –xenotalk 18:42, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

Infobox New Zealand suburbs

Redundant? Worth proposing to merge or is it likely to bring out the "Down Under crew" in protest... Dr. Blofeld White cat 11:55, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

What would you propose using to replace it? The overlap with {{infobox settlement}} is not that great. So, unless there is another template, this would be a somewhat drastic change in the material presented in the infobox. Perhaps that's a good thing, but it would be a big change. A non-TFD level discussion would probably be better than dropping it on TFD at this point. What is Australia using? Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 15:23, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

I presumed there was also an infobox New Zealand settlement? If not thats odd... Dr. Blofeld White cat 16:39, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Can you do a scan for me and identify all of the hotel articles on wikipedia using infobox skyscraper/building. Because when you come around to converting to infobox building and going through them, all of the skyscraper infoboxes in hotel articles should be converted to infobox hotel and will need to be done seperately. Dr. Blofeld White cat 13:16, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, I#m not worried about museums for now, its hotels I'm ploughing through at the present. Dr. Blofeld White cat 15:34, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

Substing signatures

Hey Plastikspork, just wondering if your recent edits substing signature templates is an automated bot process (the edit rate suggests it is), and if so have you got approval for it? I don't see a real need for it, seems to be fairly pointless, your time would be better spent asking the users to stop using templates, rather than running around tidying up after them, imo. - Kingpin13 (talk) 17:36, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

It was semi-automated, in that I was visually inspecting each one, and then hitting the enter key if they looked fine. Each one didn't have more than about 20 transclusions, and I did realize that it was a bigger project that I imagined after I started. I will certainly go for a BRFA or a BOTREQ or something before doing any more. Thanks for your feedback. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 18:46, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
Sure. You'll find that for small edits to users' talk pages, as with that one, a bot works better, as +bot +minor = no new message banner. - Kingpin13 (talk) 21:00, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
Agreed. I think I will apply for bot approval, since my WP:BOTREQ often take quite some time to complete. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 21:02, 18 May 2010 (UTC)


Al-Fath mosque; All Saints Anglican Church (Dominion City, Manitoba); All Saints Anglican Church (Duck Lake, Saskatchewan); All Saints Anglican Church (English Harbour, Newfoundland and Labrador); All Saints Anglican Church (Teulon, Manitoba); All Saints' Church, Bristol; All Saints Church, Dodington; All Saints Church, Howick; All Saints' Church, Weston; All Saints Church, Wraxall; Al-Rahma Mosque; Burnchurch Castle; Calvaria Roman Catholic Church, Satu Mare; Carmelite Church, Warsaw; Carroll Park Methodist Episcopal Church (Brooklyn, New York); Catholic Apostolic Church (New York City); Christchurch Art Gallery; Christchurch Arts Centre; Christ Church, Bradford-on-Avon; Christ Church, Clifton Down; Christchurch Convention Centre; Christchurch Town Hall; Christ Church, Warminster; Christ Church with St Ewen; Church Army Chapel, Blackheath; Church of All Saints, East Pennard; Church of All Saints, Kingston Seymour; Church of All Saints, Lullington; Church of All Saints, Monksilver; Church of All Saints, Nynehead; Church of All Saints, Selworthy; Church of All Saints, Trull; Church of All Saints, Wootton Courtenay; Church of All Saints, Wrington; Church of Holy Trinity, Burrington; Church of Holy Trinity, Hotwells; Church of Our Lady and Saint Nicholas, Liverpool; Church of Our Lady of Good Hope; Church of Our Lady of Loreto; Church of Our Lady of Springs; Church of Our Lady of the Scapular of Mount Carmel (New York City); Church of Our Lord (Victoria, British Columbia); Church of Saint Andrew, Liverpool; Church of SS Peter & Paul, Weston in Gordano; Church of SS Quiricus & Julietta, Tickenham; Church of St Aldhelm, Doulting; Church of St Andrew, Backwell; Church of St Andrew, Banwell; Church of St Andrew, Cheddar; Church of St Andrew, Clevedon; Church of St Andrew, Compton Bishop; Church of St Andrew, Congresbury; Church of St Andrew, Old Cleeve; Church of St Andrew & St Mary, Pitminster; Church of St Andrew, Stogursey; Church of St Augustine, West Monkton; Church of St Bartholomew, Cranmore; Church of St Bartholomew, Lyng; Church of St Bridget, Chelvey; Church of St Christopher, Lympsham; Church of St Cuthbert, Wells; Church of St Decuman, Watchet; Church of St Dubricius, Porlock; Church of St Dunstan, Baltonsborough; Church of St. Edmund, Dudley; Church of St Edward King and Martyr, Goathurst; Church of St George, Beckington; Church of St George, Bicknoller; Church of St George, Ruishton; Church of St Giles, Leigh-on-Mendip; Church of St Gregory, Stoke St Gregory; Church of St. Gregory the Great (New York City); Church of St Gregory, Weare; Church of St James, Ashwick; Church of St James, Halse; Church of St James, Liverpool; Church of St. James the Great; Church of St James, Winscombe; Church of St John the Baptist, Axbridge; Church of St John the Baptist, Bristol; Church of St John the Baptist, Carhampton; Church of St John the Baptist, Churchill; Church of St John the Baptist, Glastonbury; Church of St John the Baptist, Hatch Beauchamp; Church of St John the Baptist, Pawlett; Church of St John the Baptist, Pilton; Church of St John the Baptist, Wellington; Church of St John the Evangelist, Milborne Port; Church of St. John the Warrior; Church of St Lawrence, Lydeard St Lawrence; Church of St Lawrence, Priddy; Church of St Lawrence, Rode; Church of St Leonard, Marston Bigot; Church of St Leonard, Rodney Stoke; Church of St Luke, Liverpool; Church of St Margaret, Babington; Church of St Margaret, Spaxton; Church of St Mark, Mark; Church of St Mary & All Saints, Broomfield; Church of St Mary, Berrow; Church of St Mary, Bishops Lydeard; Church of St Mary, Bridgwater; Church of St Mary, Cannington; Church of St Mary, Chedzoy; Church of St Mary, East Brent; Church of St. Mary, Hardington; Church of St Mary, Hemington; Church of St Mary, Kingston St Mary; Church of St Mary, Litton; Church of St Mary, Loxton; Church of St Mary, Luccombe; Church of St Mary Magdalene, Chewton Mendip; Church of St Mary Magdalene, Ditcheat; Church of St Mary Magdalene, Great Elm; Church of St Mary Magdalene, Winsford; Church of St Mary, Meare; Church of St Mary, Moorlinch; Church of St Mary, North Petherton; Church of St Mary, Orchardlea; Church of St Mary, Spaxton; Church of St Mary, Stogumber; Church of St Mary the Virgin, Batcombe; Church of St Mary the Virgin, Croscombe; Church of St Mary the Virgin, Nettlecombe; Church of St Mary the Virgin, Westonzoyland; Church of St Mary, Wedmore; Church of St Mary, West Buckland; Church of St Mary, Witham Friary; Church of St Mary, Woolavington; Church of St Mary, Yatton; Church of St Matthew, Wookey; Church of St Michael & All Angels, Greinton; Church of St Michael and All Angels, Puriton; Church of St Michael, Brent Knoll; Church of St Michael, Buckland Dinham; Church of St Michael, Chipstable; Church of St Michael, Clapton in Gordano; Church of St Michael, Creech St Michael; Church of St Michael, Dundry; Church of St Michael, Milverton; Church of St Michael, Othery; Church of St Michael, Stawley; Church of St Michael the Archangel, Compton Martin; Church of St Nicholas, Brushford; Church of St Nicholas, West Pennard; Church of St Nicholas, Withycombe; Church of St Paul, Kewstoke; Church of St Paul, Liverpool; Church of St Peter and St Paul, Kilmersdon; Church of St Peter and St Paul, Shepton Mallet; Church of St Peter, Catcott; Church of St Peter, Evercreech; Church of St Peter, Hornblotton; Church of St Peter, Huish Champflower; Church of St. Peter, Langford Budville; Church of St Peter, Portishead; Church of St Peter, Staple Fitzpaine; Church of St Peter & St Paul, Bleadon; Church of St Peter & St Paul, Churchstanton; Church of St Peter & St Paul, Combe Florey; Church of St Peter & St Paul, North Curry; Church of St Peter, West Huntspill; Church of St Petrock, Timberscombe; Church of St Saviour, Puxton; Church of St Thomas of Canterbury, Cothelstone; Church of St. Thomas the Apostle, New York City; Church of St Thomas, Thurlbear; Church of St Vigor, Stratton-on-the-Fosse; Church of St. Vitus (Chicago); Church of the Ascension, Hall Green; Church of the Divine Unity (New York City); Church of the Holy Cross, Middlezoy; Church of the Holy Cross, Skatin; Church of the Holy Cross, Thornfalcon; Church of the Holy Ghost, Crowcombe; Church of the Holy Trinity, Street; Church of the Holy Trinity, Whatley; Church of the Holy Trinity with St Edmund; Church of the Incarnation (New York City); Church of the Intercession at Fili; Church of the Light; Church of the Messiah (New York City); Church of the New Jerusalem (Philadelphia, Pennsylvania); Church of the Sacred Heart (Bronx, New York); Church of the Sacred Heart of Jesus (New York City); Church of the Sacred Hearts of Jesus and Mary (Brooklyn, New York); Church of the Sacred Hearts of Mary and Jesus (New York City); Church of the Savior on Bolvany; Church of the Transfiguration (New York City); City Road Baptist Church; Cluj-Napoca Evangelical Church; Congregational Church, Penge; Cotham Church; Fifth Church of Christ, Scientist (New York, New York); First Church of Christ, Scientist (Atlanta, Georgia); First Church of Christ, Scientist (Cambridge, Massachusetts); First Church of Christ, Scientist (Chicago, Illinois); First Church of Christ, Scientist (Lakewood, Ohio); First Church of Christ, Scientist (Long Beach, California); First Church of Christ, Scientist (Mt. Lebanon, Pennsylvania); First Church of Christ, Scientist (North Vancouver, British Columbia); First Church of Christ, Scientist (Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania); First Church of Christ, Scientist (Tacoma, Washington); First Presbyterian Church (Lynn Haven, Florida); First United Methodist Church (Laurel, Maryland); Francis of Assisi Church; Hanson Place Central Methodist Church (Brooklyn, New York); Holy Cross Church, Warsaw; Holy Trinity Anglican Church (Alma, Prince Edward Island); Holy Trinity Anglican Church (Maple Grove, Quebec); Holy Trinity Anglican Church (Stanley Mission, Saskatchewan); Holy Trinity Church, Warsaw; Hospet Church; Jesuit Church, Warsaw; Madison Square Presbyterian Church, New York City (1854); Madison Square Presbyterian Church, New York City (1906); McIntosh Presbyterian Church; Milagres Church; Old Church of St. Joachim and St. Anne (Staten Island, New York); Our Lady of the Immaculate Conception Church, Goa; Our Lady of the Wayside Church; Our Lady Star of the Sea Catholic Church; Priory Church of St George, Dunster; Rydal Bank Church; Satu Mare Chain Church; Seventeenth Church of Christ, Scientist (Chicago, Illinois); Seventh Church of Christ, Scientist (Seattle, Washington); Solomons United Methodist Church; St Agatha's Church, Sparkbrook; St. Alexander's Church; St Andrew's Church, Burnham-on-Sea; St Andrew's Church, Chew Stoke; St. Anne's Church, Warsaw; St. Ann's Church (New York City); St Augustine the Less Church, Bristol; St. Boniface Church (Sublimity, Oregon); St Cuthberts Church, (Churchtown); St. Francis Church, Kochi; St. George's Anglican Church (Parrsboro, Nova Scotia); St. George’s Church, Beckenham; St George's Church, Brandon Hill; St. George's Church (New York City); St Gerard's Church and Monastery; St. Hyacinth's Church, Warsaw; St. John's Anglican Church (Peggys Cove, Nova Scotia); St John's Church, Bath; St John's Church, Bergen; St. Kazimierz Church; St. Luke's Church Borella; St Luke's Church, Brislington; St. Margaret’s Episcopal Church (Annapolis, Maryland); St Mark's Church, Bristol; St. Martin's Church, Warsaw; St Mary and St Margaret's Church, Castle Bromwich; St. Mary Anne's Episcopal Church; St Mary le Port Church, Bristol; St Mary's Church, Bathwick; St. Mary's Church, Gdańsk; St. Mary's Church, Lübeck; St Mary's Church, Portbury; St Mary's Church, Saltford; St Mary's Church, West Derby, Liverpool; St Matthews Church, Cotham; St Matthew's Church, Widcombe; St. Michael's Church, Cluj-Napoca; St Michael's Church, Winterbourne; St. Nicholas Collegiate Reformed Protestant Dutch Church (New York City); St. Patrick's Roman Catholic Church (Calgary, Alberta); St. Paul's Church, Bristol; St. Paul's Church (Halifax); St.Paul's Church Milagiriya; St Peters Church, Bishopsworth; St. Peter's Church, Hamburg; St Stephen's Church, Bath; St Stephen's Church, Bristol; St. Theresa's Church (New York City); St Thomas à Becket Church; St Thomas A Beckett Church; St. Thomas' Anglican Church (Moose Factory, Ontario); St. Thomas Anglican Church (Shanty Bay, Ontario); St. Thomas More's Church (New York City); St. Vincent Street Church, Glasgow; St Werburgh's Church, Bristol; Temple Church, Bristol; Third Church of Christ, Scientist (Washington, D.C.); Union Congregational Church (Avon Park, Florida); Union Congregational Church (Tavares, Florida); Visitationist Church; Washington Square Methodist Episcopal Church (New York City); West-Park Presbyterian Church (New York City);

I will stop dumping lists talk pages now :) Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 15:38, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

Yikes!! Yeah there is so much inconsistency, this is the biggest problem. Bit by bit though things need to be standardised. Is it worth me starting on the hotel list manually or would it be straighforward to replace the skyscraper infoboxes with the hotel one and possibly get it to dispay the pin and coordinates if the coordinates are already on the page? My ideal would be a super template infobox building and when you display the building type e.g type=church or type=hotel it will have its own colour coding that we have at present and the possibility of all the existing parameters. In the long term I really think a gradual merger is best, can we do it bit by bit, obviously it will be done gradually... Skyscrapers would be the obvious place to start anyway. Dr. Blofeld White cat 15:52, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

Yes, this sounds like a good plan. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 15:56, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

In terms of long term maintenance and consistency then I think this is the way to go. Sure is a major headache in terms of number of articles. For instance though is no reaosn why the infobox building couldn't replicate the style of Church of St Mary the Great, Cambridge and show in articles like Visitationist Church. There is also no reason why the infobox building couldn't have the similar paramters./color coordination to Savoy Hotel etc. I know many people are accustomed to the seperate templates but if the parameters were replicated and the infobox building was built up in the various building departments that this could be catered for whilst in the long term being very important for maintaining and controlling. The best thing though would be to start with the lesser used templates and begin merging those which have similar functions and gradually whittling it down to the major building infoboxes. There is also an overlap between Infobox Place of Worship and "Infobox Church". The place of worship one is excellent in my view at catering for the different religions.

Doing some work on LA hotels last night. The major thing I noticed about hotels in the states is that many of them are historically registered places and use the nh infobox. Perhaps there is a way the nh infoboxes can be nestled at the bottom of the hotel infoboxes? See User:Dr. Blofeld/Hotel. Dr. Blofeld White cat 16:07, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

I've updated infobox building with what I think are improved colours/fonts/sizes and coordinates under the map. See Topkapı Palace now. This design I think would suit most buildings on wikipedia and I think it would be good to head towards merging infoboxes. There seems to be a consensus to merge the infobox skyscraper. Could you update the infobox skyscraper in the meantime to it physically looks like infobox building and then a bot can be used to clean them all and make the transition. See Joffrey Tower. Wouldn't require much I think... Once you've made the updates then the maps and coordinates can be added to such articles... Dr. Blofeld White cat 18:08, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

Mmm Template:Infobox Monument seems a little redundant. It is used in Hagia Sophia. WHy not infobox building, infobox place of worship or infobox mosque? Should I propose to merge it? If the monument is a statue it is a little different I guess but the infobox could still be wrapped I think.. Dr. Blofeld White cat 19:55, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

I can't make svgs. Only pngs I'm afraid. If you want svg maps of the other provinces ask Nordnordwest. Dr. Blofeld White cat 10:32, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

The Real World: London

What did you find confusing about the passage? Nightscream (talk) 04:00, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

I believe it was mostly a problem with the sentence construction, and the use of the phrase "thorougly flummoxed by it". Now that I look at it again, it doesn't look that bad, just needs to be slightly reworded. Also, the "season highlights" section is a bit WP:TRIVIA in construction. By the way, it made this amusing list. What do you think? Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 04:30, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

Templates for Deletion

On Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2010 May 8, I have some how missed out Template:Serbia portal/Proverbs although I had put on the tfd template. Just wondering if it could be deleted now as well or will I need to renominate it? -- WOSlinker (talk) 07:02, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

I will take care of it. I made a pass through all {{Infobox XX ...}} templates, looking for unnecessary residual subtemplates, and I believe I got them all except for {{Infobox AR State Highway/browse2}}, which still has one transclusion. If you could orphan it, I will delete it. It is a bit confusing since the highway is in more than one state. Thanks! Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 17:56, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
Oh, and I just found these: {{Infobox Oklahoma Highway 2}}, {{Infobox Arkansas Highway multiple}}, and {{Infobox Iowa Highway multiple}}. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 18:25, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
{{Infobox road}} currently doesn't handle multiple sections. I'll have to have a go at adding that feature into Infobox road. -- WOSlinker (talk) 15:58, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

Oh deary me, Infobox Iowa highway LOL... Dr. Blofeld White cat 09:41, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

I know. The good news is that the ones listed above should be the end of it (or close to it). Everything is now being handled by subtemplates of {{Infobox road}}. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 16:18, 17 May 2010 (UTC) at it again

Hi Plasticspork, FYI, yesterday you blocked (talk+ · tag · contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RBLs · block user · block log · cross-wiki contribs · checkuser (log)) for 48 hours. Today he's back at it with another IP as (talk+ · tag · contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RBLs · block user · block log · cross-wiki contribs · checkuser (log)). Cheers - DVdm (talk) 15:33, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the notification. It looks like only one edit so far today, so hopefully, that will be the end of it. If you notice any more, let me know, or file a WP:AIV, and we can look into a range block. Thanks! Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 17:21, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

An admirer

Hi, I've noticed the elegant way you're simplified Lightmouse's script for dates conversion. I was wondering if you might have any suggestions to improve my script here? Thanks. Ohconfucius ¡digame! 10:41, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

Have you seen User:Symplectic Map/AutoSpell? I don't think he is still active, but we were corresponding quite a bit, and have had some off-wiki contact as well (live in the same area). There is a interesting trade-off between elegant and fast. Sometimes you can have both, but not always. In this case, the most elegant solution would be to create one page with a list of replacements, like this, then have this list loaded by the script. When I last spoke with Symplectic Map, this is what he was going for, but then realized that there was a serious speed issue, in that the list is often longer than the article being checked, and javascript is not that fast. If I have some time this weekend, I can take a stab writing an alternative version of your script, which may or may not be more elegant and may or may not be faster. It could be an interesting experiment. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 16:21, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

Cite cgndb and Cite cgn

I think it would be a good idea to move {{Cite cgn}} over {{Cite cgndb}} (which is currently a redirect) since cgndb is a good acronym and cgn is not. You have a understanding of the issues involved and I think this would be beyond the scope of WP:REQMOVE. There are no articles that transclude Cite cgn. All articles which use the template currently transclude the redirect. If you believe that a discussion at WP:TFD is warranted that would be fine but I don't think it is necessary.

I don't know if you are aware of it but using "Cite xxx" is a fairly standard practice. Other citation templates for geographical data are {{Cite bcgnis}}, {{Cite bivouac}}, {{Cite ccv}}, {{Cite gnis}}, {{Cite gvp}}, {{Cite ngs}}, {{Cite peakbagger}}, {{Cite peakfinder}} and {{Cite summitpost}}. All of these transclude {{Cite web}}. I believe I created most of them except Cite gnis which I help maintain. Most are in common use. Other citation templates which I am aware of are {{PB}}, {{Pid}}, {{Rid}}, {{Bivouac}}, {{NGS}}, {{Cme}}, {{VNUM}}, and of course the {{GNIS}} family of templates. In general they do not produce any kind of standardized output. I know that, in their simple form, NGS and PB are widely used in lists.

If your interested in my ideas about standardization in the use of these older templates drop me a line. –droll [chat] 07:11, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

P.S. I used the word "standardized" but in fact there is no such thing as standardized citation template output. I should have said that the templates listed whose names begin with the word "cite" all produce comparable output. –droll [chat] 07:46, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
  • Just wanted to say thanks. I have a problem with obsessing about stuff but I take guidance well. –droll [chat] 02:29, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

Infobox person


Could you assist with this, please, and at the same time take a look at the preceding section there, which remains unresolved. Cheers, Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 20:40, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

Done. Please ping me again if I don't do something about the prior section in the next couple of days. I'm going to add a tracking category to get an idea about the current usage of the fields in question, and it will take about a day for the servers to recache all the pages. Thanks! Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 22:55, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
OK. The label change is working well. Thank you. Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 23:37, 22 May 2010 (UTC)


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Hello, Plastikspork. You have new messages at Jubileeclipman's talk page.
Message added 20:04, 23 May 2010 (UTC). You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

Just confirming my TPS and explaining the point Jubileeclipman 20:04, 23 May 2010 (UTC)


Nuvola devices tv.png Hello Plastikspork, thank you for your contributions on articles related to PBS Kids. I'd like to invite you to become a part of Wikipedia:WikiProject PBSKids, a WikiProject aimed at improving the quality of PBS Kids articles on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page for more information. Thanks!Checker Fred (talk) 20:17, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

Infobox officeholder

Please will you check my logic at Template talk:Infobox officeholder#Microformat improvements? Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 20:24, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

Done. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 03:23, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

More bugs

Thanks Plastik. I left an additional note on Template talk:Convert#Conversion bug Peter Horn User talk 20:35, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

Honorifics before and after the name

Thanks very much for your contribution. I'm still not sure that it's worked though (see discussion).

Best wishes --Oxonian2006 (talk) 01:47, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

Okay, I replied there. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 03:24, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

La Toya Jackson's Playboy Magazine Covers

Dear Plastikspork, I need your help.I found both covers of La Toya Jackson's 1989 and 1991 Playboy Magazine layout.I think that both of the covers should be included in the La Toya Jackson article. I found the on Google when I typed in,"La Toya Jackson on the cover of 1991 Playboy Magazine". When I arrived at the page the 1989 and 1991 covers were the first two. The 1989 cover was first and the 1991 cover was second.Could you do me a favor and put them in the article. And if it helps any, what La Toya did with Playboy paved the way for the cover of the Rolling Stone's Magazine cover with Janet Jackson on it. (K.M.D1994) 9:00, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

It looks like her appearance in the magazine is mentioned in the article. Are you asking to have images of the covers put in the article? Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 15:25, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Yes I am. K.M.D1994 8:32, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

I suppose given the significance it could fall under WP:NFCC. We would need low-resolution scans so as not to violate the non-free content criteria. Have the images already been uploaded, or do they need to be uploaded? Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 15:21, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

They need to be uploaded. (K.M.D1994) 8:38, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

Have you uploaded the pictures yet. They are at "La Toya Jackson on the cover of 1991 Playboy Magazine", on Google. (K.M.D1994) 12:20, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

Are you unable to upload pictures? The link to upload an image is the "Upload file" link in the toolbox on the left side of the screen. Thanks! Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 16:22, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

I don't know how to upload it. Could you do it for me? Please! (K.M.D1994) 8:53, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

I could potentially do it, but I have a bunch of stuff to do at the moment, and I am going on semi-break for about a week. Have you read Wikipedia:Uploading images? If you are still having trouble, you can post a request at Wikipedia:Help_Desk, or put a {{help me}} tag on your page. I am more than willing to help you, but it could take awhile. Thanks! Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 15:21, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

Help request moved elsewhere

Just a note in case you are puzzled by your talk page's history: Wipeouting (talk · contribs) left a "helpme" tag with a request on your talk page, so I moved it to his at User talk:Wipeouting#Help where SoWhy answered it before I could. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 08:33, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for taking care of it. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 15:15, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

Infobox modern building

*nudge* ;-). Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 14:03, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

Done. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 16:57, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
Thank you. There's some more at Template talk:Infobox building, if you're looking for something to fill your idle moments ;-) Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 09:59, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
Another *nudge* - but do let me know how I can help. Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 15:57, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
Okay, I just completed the Kremlin merger. The venue one is a bit less straightforward, due to the way the image is specified, but I will see if I can find some time to work on it. I am going on semi-break for about a week, but I will see if I can find some time today. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 16:27, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
Many thanks. Enjoy your time off - it's well-earned! Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 16:43, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

Infobox Christian biography

Please can you tell me where I went wrong here? Perhaps conversion to {{Infobox}} would be better? Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 20:27, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Yes, I agree that the standard infobox framework is better. In fact, it is almost a subset of {{Infobox person}} with the exception of the denomination part. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 21:05, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
Thanks. In that case, I'll look at a merger. I've also tweaked the microformat. Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 21:34, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
Okay. I took the fields from the "person" infobox, so I made the same changes to that box as well. I will wait a bit for adding the denomination, since there may be some discussion. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 21:59, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
Now up at WP:TFD. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 03:47, 27 May 2010 (UTC)


By the way, the edit summary you're linking to while you're orphaning the template links to a discussion in 2006, causing much confusion in the process... Titoxd(?!? - cool stuff) 00:38, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Doh! I know, that was a mistake, it should have been a link to Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2010 May 9. I have fixed it, but it would seem pointless to go back and make a bunch of null-edits. Thanks for letting me know, and sorry for the confusion. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 00:40, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
Now deleted. Thanks! Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 03:46, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

List of Survivor contestants

Our Canadian IP friend has returned. I semi-protected the page for two weeks and one of his IPs for 72 hours. Maybe he will get the hint, though I have this feeling he won't. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 05:52, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

Good idea. I hope it works. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 03:45, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

Template:Historical populations

There is a need to be able to have footnote quoting sources for each line - for example in Dnepropetrovsk. It would be nice to add a column for this to the template.--Toddy1 (talk) 08:29, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

Yes, but I think that would require a fairly non-trivial change in syntax. What you have right now seems pretty good, but I can see the desire to get the refs lined up in their own column. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 03:44, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

Theatre font

Hi. Can you add the Calisto font, something went wrong here. Its supposed to look like the colors and style of the infobox hotel (resembling the theatre seats). Dr. Blofeld White cat 14:42, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

I'm not sure what went wrong. I got stacked up with other work today. If you are impatient, you can always ask Jack? Thanks! Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 22:56, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

Well I asked Jack to modify the infobox surfer some months back.... Dr. Blofeld White cat 21:17, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

Right, I'm not a font/css expert, but I could take a look sometime later. I am busy packing right now. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 03:43, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

Slovakian villages

Hello your Plastikness. I noticed you edited Šarkan and I remembered an outstanding issue. I create the SLovakian villages in the wiki dark ages when I did not know about pin maps or infoboxes. They were created with district maps. When you have an hour or two spare can you add infoboxes to all of the articles/reading the coordinates for pin from the top and remove these maps? Something like this. You could even import the info from Slovak wiki and convert into English if that would be best...I've added a few to articles like Bruty. Seems some nice photos are available for some of them which is a bonus. Right now though I want to continue with the Norwegian villages. Dr. Blofeld White cat 11:43, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

I will have a look in a bit. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 15:16, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
Okay, this should be do-able, but it will have to wait. Unless someone else wants to take a crack at it. Thanks! Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 03:42, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

"Interesting essay but ..."

Regarding this, would you be so kind as to tell me a bit about the nature of your disagreement? Butwhatdoiknow (talk) 22:54, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

I don't think we need to have a section heading before the bottom navigation boxes. Thanks! Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 22:57, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
Thank you for the prompt response. If the criteria is "need" then I would agree with you that the "Related information" heading must go. But should that be the criteria? Or, perhaps, should the criteria be whether or not the change is an improvement? Butwhatdoiknow (talk) 23:24, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

Could you please show me where WP:NAVHEAD has been accepted as a standard practice per WP:LAYOUT? Or is this something you are doing on your own? Thanks! Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 22:58, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

There are three editors actively promoting this concept. One of those editors (not me) did propose it at Layout. Here is his report about what happened. Since then the heading has been added to numerous articles, including some high traffic articles and some articles that are watched by dedicated Wikipedians. So far there is no substantial resistance to its introduction. Butwhatdoiknow (talk) 23:24, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

In particular, since many navigation boxes do not appear in the printed version, this will lead to a blank section at the bottom in print? See here for example. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 22:59, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for taking the time to expound on your concerns. Printed versions do include some navboxes (for example, Julius Caesar). Such versions omit important information to the extent they do not also include other navigation aids. [see NOTE below] Until that problem is fixed the blank section below a "Related information" heading will alert readers of a printed version to look for additional material available in the on-line Wikipedia article. Butwhatdoiknow (talk) 23:24, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
NOTE: The rationale for not printing navigation boxes is that these items contain wikilinks that are of no use to print readers.[2] There are two problems with this rationale: First, other wikilink content does print, for example See also and succession boxes. Second, navigation boxes do contain useful information regarding the relationship of the article to the subjects of related articles.
Interesting that you selected Julius Caesar, since it doesn't have a "related information" section. The Suriname example is basically what I am concerned about. It doesn't appear as there is any checking to make sure this section makes sense in the printable version. I think you should seek broader consensus, or an addition to WP:LAYOUT before adding more. I'm sure there is a technical solution which can take care of handling both cases. For example, something like a {{start footer}}, which would wrap the section you have been introducing with the navigation boxes, and exclude both from print. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 23:34, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

O.k., it is time for me to admit that I'm not likely to have the time to get to this within the near future. I've saved a copy and will re-post it when I can give a meaningful response. Meanwhile, if you are interested, you can peruse the generic response at WP:Related information/answers#Proposal_objections_and_responses. Butwhatdoiknow (talk) 00:11, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

Br list

I replied at Template talk:Br list#LI markup. I hope - and think - you'll like it. Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 17:08, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

Okay. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 13:19, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Gilberto (Gil) Diaz

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Thanks. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 13:19, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

Sublime with Rome ...

Hey, I saw your comments at Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion#Template:Sublime_with_Rome. I'm fine with the Sublime with Rome article, but I have problems with the Sublime with Rome Tour page and the Template:Sublime with Rome. I think the tour page can be merged into the band's page and I think the template should go away as useless. Please comment on those talk pages if you can. I've also started a section at the noticebopard: Wikipedia:Notability/Noticeboard#Sublime_with_Rome_Tour because I think that Sublime with Rome Tour is not notable enough or deserving of a separate page on Wikipedia. One user (User:Alex 101) is really gung-ho about Sublime with Rome and is creating all this stuff (I already had a non-free use image from him deleted). Thanks for your time, sorry to bug you. TuckerResearch (talk) 19:53, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

Yes, I would say the template is the least necessary, and the tour would be of marginal importance. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 13:19, 30 May 2010 (UTC)


Just an FYI for when you return to be on the lookout. [3] -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 06:15, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

Infobox shopping mall

See merge proposal. Dr. Blofeld White cat 14:33, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

Good. It seems as though most are in favor of a merger. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 13:19, 30 May 2010 (UTC)


Hey, I noticed you moved Template:Cite4Wiki into User:Jehochman's userspace. Did you talk to him about that? Because when I asked him about it he was quite opposed to the idea. You can put it in my userspace if he says to move it (I don't have anything to do with the template other than having closed the TFD, but I don't mind having it). Peace, delldot ∇. 02:47, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

Responded on your talk page, feel free to move the response here, if you don't like split conversations. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 02:56, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
Yeah, that's a really good idea, let's do that. That will help address Jehochman's concern about people not being comfortable editing it, plus I think someone alluded to doing that in the TFD. By the way, thanks for all the great work you do around TFD, you're awesome. Peace, delldot ∇. 02:58, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

Regex query

you used string replace in your datetools.js (str=str.replace) while Lightmouse used text replace (txt.value=txt.value.replace). What is the difference, what are the advantages or disadvantages of each? Cheers, Ohconfucius ¡digame! 08:32, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

It's mostly just a question of programming philosophy, but there could be a performance reason for using one over the other. If trace it back to where the text is first obtained, you will see "document.editform.wpTextbox1" and "document.editform.wpTextbox1.value". The first is the textbox object and the second is the string object (which is part of the textbox). Note that the textbox object contains more than just the string (e.g., style, hidden, scroll, ...).
Advantages of passing "str" (1) the sub-functions are general string-processing functions, which aren't specific to textboxes, (2) the sub-functions are only able to access the string, and not the other parts of the textbox, (3) the code is a bit shorter.
Advantages of passing "txt" (1) we are (hopefully) passing a pointer to the string, rather than the string, which is an advantage if javascript uses "pass by reference" rather than "pass by value". (2) the functions are still fairly general, since all objects that we encounter use "value" as the string.
So, the big question is does javascript use "pass by reference" rather than "pass by value" if you pass "txt" to a subfunction, and is there measurable performance increase by doing so. I haven't had the time to do any serious testing to determine if this is the case. This might be a good question for the Village Pump. If it's measurably faster, I would convert my code. I know the spell script can be quite slow, and I think he is passing by value quite a bit. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 15:24, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
  • Thanks. Your reply is still a bit technical, so maybe I'll try reading up more on js. Another question, which I do not know if it is related or not: but are you aware of different script execution speeds in different browsers? My Engvar script executes even on large blocks of text in a split-second in Safari, but it takes many seconds for Firefox to process the same text - it has even become unresponsive on two occasions. Incidentally, my Firefox routinely slows down - I notice it hogging hundreds of Mb by looking at Task Manager - and brings my computer to a slow crawl. Ohconfucius ¡digame! 05:50, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
The large difference in execution speeds on various browsers is well known, for example see here. If you search for "javascript" and "execution speed" or "optimize", you will find lots of discussion on this matter. I have had the same problem with Firefox on some platforms. When I have some time I plan to do some reading about optimizing javascript. One thing that I have done before is add some timing statements in the code to try to isolate which functions are taking the most time. I haven't done that lately, but it can be quite informative. For example, some regular expression patterns are far more costly to process than others. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 06:01, 3 June 2010 (UTC)


Thanks. That is all I needed. Cheers! Geo Swan (talk) 15:52, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

Welcome back

I was trying to add File:India Punjab location map.svg. Dr. Blofeld White cat 19:46, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

Well? Dr. Blofeld White cat 09:54, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
Done. It will take a bit for the pages to re-cache. You can speed up the process by re-saving the pages that link to File:Punjab locator map.svg, as I have done to Patiala. Thanks for the reminder. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 15:26, 4 June 2010 (UTC)


Saw you left him a talkback message. You realise he's been indefinitely blocked, right? The Rambling Man (talk) 17:55, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

Yes, I saw the block thread as well. Thanks! Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 17:56, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
No problem, just didn't want you waiting for him to get back to you in the near future! The Rambling Man (talk) 17:57, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Jason Scerri

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Thank you!

Thank you!

Plastikspork - Thank for your participation and support in my RfA.

I can honestly say that your comments and your trust in me are greatly appreciated.

Please let me know if you ever have any suggestions for me as an editor, or comments based on my admin actions.

Thank you!  7  23:31, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

Help with Big Brother 11 U.S.

Hi, I was wandering if you wouldn't mind helping me with Big Brother 11 (U.S.). I am trying to improve the article so it can move up to GA status like Big Brother 2009 (UK). I have managed to do a lot but would like help from other editors that are experienced with Big Brother articles. Any help would be appreciated like glancing over the Summary section and removing unnecessary bits, fixing sources, etc. Thanks. ♪♫Alucard 16♫♪ 04:48, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

a rogue template for your consideration

  • {{Infobox Chuck character}}

Seems headed in the wrong direction, to me. Cheers, Jack Merridew 22:56, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

I agree, it is now at nominated at TFD. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 23:04, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
  • {{Chuck episodes}}

an-udder-one ;) Jack Merridew 01:05, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Also at TFD. Thanks! Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 03:42, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

The edit you made on the Tinkernut article

I'd like to ask why you change the infobox on the Tinkernut article to a Person Infobox? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zaz986 (talkcontribs) 00:10, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

See here. Thanks! Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 00:13, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

Ohhhhhhh. So it made reference to things like a fruit which isn't really an Internet "Celeb". But my question is that Tinkernut isn't only a person but a Website first and a person second. The person that runs the site is also called Tinkernut. So would I be able to replace it with a Webblog Infobox? Or some type of Blog Infobox? And if so where can I find the Templates? I've been looking for about 20 minutes and I can't find those exact types of Infoboxes.Zaz986 (talk) 00:19, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

Yes, you could try {{Infobox weblog}}, for example. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 00:20, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

What about the Website Infobox? Zaz986 (talk) 00:25, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

Sure, {{infobox website}} could work as well. Thanks! Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 00:25, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

I have one final question. How did you get that status button at the top righthand corner of the page?Zaz986 (talk) 00:32, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

Yes, it's not very accurate is it :) ! I should update that right away. I will add one to your talk page. You can remove it if you want. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 00:35, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

All right thanks. :) How can I update it and how can I get it back if I remove it? Do I have to be an Admin to get one?Zaz986 (talk) 00:37, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

I left you a message about updating it. If you want to remove it, just remove the top line of your user page and talk page. You don't need to be an admin, unless you want the other icon :) Thanks! Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 00:42, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

Ok thank you for all your help. :)Zaz986 (talk) 00:47, 8 June 2010 (UTC)


I think it is just great, since there are only the heirs apparents. I would suggest to put their supposed titles, as we have in other templates of pretenders. What about it? Congratulations!! --Tonyjeff (talk) 00:21, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

Edits to unsubst Template:Demography – great – how?

I was impressed by this edit where it appears you unsubst {{demography}}. I came across it because it additionally had the benefit of cleaning up an unclosed <small> in the article, which is something I'm currently working on. Do you have AWB settings/custom module so that I can repeat it on other articles? Thanks Rjwilmsi 07:35, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

Yes, it is something I wrote into AWB. I am planning to go through all 32,000 of the French Communes, and I am about 1/4 of the way finished. I will see if I can export the particular part of the script that replaces the demography table. It's on my other computer so I won't be able to get to it for another 8 to 10 hours. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 15:53, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

Why does France get all the TLC eh? Dr. Blofeld White cat 16:23, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

Yes, I had no idea how big of a project it was until I got started. But the excessive use of icons, poor image syntax, and unformatted demography tables was driving me crazy. In addition, the excessive use of <timeline>...</timeline> for historical populations, which is entirely unreadable if you are using a text based browser. Any suggestions on what I should tackle next? I am doing the Faroe Islands right now. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 16:26, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

In the next few days I'll do the remainder of the Papua New Guinea towns. See Port Moresby. I've only done the provincial capitals as of yet... Yes France is a pain in the butt alright. Perfect case of how a bot should have been used to start them all first time without 10 rounds of cleanup afterwards.... Well I'm currently working through Norway and Majorca adding infoboxes, I came across one municipality you transwikied. I thought it looked unusually good and lo and behold it was added by you! Dr. Blofeld White cat 16:32, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

Really embarrassing. Check out Artà on German wiki... Dr. Blofeld White cat 16:47, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

Yes, Spain does need help. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 16:49, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

LOL. The crappiest infobox you;ve ever seen? See Bunyola. That comes close... Dr. Blofeld White cat 17:15, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

Template:Infobox shopping mall

Please see User talk:Rich Farmbrough. Can you add infobox settlements to and replace Template:Island of the Faroe Islands. There are only a handful. I did Papua New Guinea yesterday. In fact the PNG province and districts templates can now be deleted.. Dr. Blofeld White cat 14:14, 8 June 2010 (UTC) Dr. Blofeld White cat 15:06, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

Cambodian maps

Cambodian maps are done! SVG_maps_of_Cambodia Kmusser (talk) 15:39, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

Wow! Thank you very much. This is going to be a big improvement in the Cambodia articles. The world owes you one! Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 15:51, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

Nice one. In the year 2010 the pink maps are no longer welcome... Dr. Blofeld White cat 16:22, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

Issue only you can deal with.

You seem just like the person to handle this. Thanks. (talk) 02:13, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

If you don't help, who will? (talk) 06:35, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
My disappointment in you is without bounds. (talk) 00:11, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
See Wikipedia:There is no deadline. Thank you! Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 00:12, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Article Delete logging

Hi Plastikspork,

I'm wondering why article deletes don't show up in the User contribution logs when every other seemingly-minute change appears to be logged.

e.g. Danny Teeson says it was deleted by you 18:06, 18 October 2009. But when I look on [4] (which covers 17 OCT 2009 @ 19:49, to 19 OCT 2009 @ 03:58), I don't see the log entry where you deleted it. I arrived at the Danny Teeson page after following a link on the Mr. Six page. It looks like 3 other articles still link to that deleted page for Mr. Teeson.

No big deal about the article being deleted; my question is about deletes not being logged. :-) Or maybe I'm just looking in the wrong place?

Thank you!

Darr247 (talk) 22:34, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

Yes, that's a standard feature. You will not see any deleted revisions in your list of contributions. It actually appear in but you probably can't view that if you aren't an admin. Let me know if I can be of any help. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 22:39, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

Infobox Modern Family season episode list

Plans I have no special plans for this; if it's redundant to something, please delete/merge/replace/etc. If you want or need my help in so doing, please let me know. —Justin (koavf)TCM☯ 03:04, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

Thank you. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 15:49, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Martial artist box

I noticed the box has been changed lately. Its not wide enough anymore like its used to be. Maybe you can help to restore it. thx.Marty Rockatansky (talk) 20:32, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

Yes, I believe Chris made some changes. I will have a look in a bit. Thanks! Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 20:36, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
On the example Los Angeles, United States should fit on a single line. it kinda throws off the whole box. thx.Marty Rockatansky (talk) 20:40, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
It might have something to do with the "wrestling experience" line someone has added. its too long on one line.Marty Rockatansky (talk) 20:44, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
Okay, I messed around with it a bit, but I ended up reverting it. For now, you can modify the width by adding a "box_width=26em" or whatever size. Do you think the problem could be solved by shortening the "wrestling experience" line to simply "experience" or something? Thanks! Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 20:55, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
Just "Wrestling". i think it was added by mma guys because theres no ranks in wrestling. Personally i don't think it should be in there. For amateur wrestling experience and olympic medals theres a different box. like Alexander Karelin.Marty Rockatansky (talk) 23:29, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

Spork pictures

I regret to distract you from doing useful things on Wikipedia to inform you that the pictures of sproks on the side of your user page are cut off. Is this intended, or is it my browser? happy editing, and don't feel pressured to do anything about it unless you want to, Brambleclawx 01:10, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Which browser? I know it looks bad on the iPhone. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 01:45, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
IE 7.0 Brambleclawx 02:00, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
(talk page stalker)Works fine for me on Safari 5 at both 1200×800 and 1440×900 as well as Chrome 5 at 1440×900. Maybe it's the browser, as BCx's screen res is 1440×1050 (don't ask me how I know that!). Airplaneman 02:32, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for the additional details. It is clipped on IE 8 as well. I should be able to debug it. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 03:19, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
It should be fixed now. Most of the formating is actually much cleaner now, but I am not completely happy with the collapsible lists, but I can work on those later. I was using a table to create the layout before, and now I am using a bit more standard infobox class to float the infoboxes at the left. This should be more robust, so long as infoboxes behave properly. Thanks again! Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 05:05, 10 June 2010 (UTC)


I noticed that you fixed some articles I edited - The Electrics being one of them. I had created the infobox based off of the Musical artist infobox and included what was requested. I'm a noob- so I'm mostly coming to find out how and why you changed it, as I don't see what changed when you changed it. Tuxhedoh (talk) 01:37, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

The guidelines at {{Infobox musical artist}} are a bit in flux, so I was updating things to match the new guidelines. You didn't do anything wrong. You will often find people going around making what appear to be pointless edits. It's, unfortunately, how I (and others) often occupy my/our free time. :( Thanks! Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 01:44, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
That's great information to know. Being new to editing Wikipedia, I was unsure if I had done something wrong. I had added a few of the pages to watchlists to see if someone improved or changed my edits in hopes to learn. Thanks. Tuxhedoh (talk) 03:22, 10 June 2010 (UTC)


Why? Is there something wrong with using the url template? Hokay, I read the discussion above. ×××BrightBlackHeaven(talk)××× 08:17, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

No problem. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 14:58, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Infobox UK place

You may wish to note Template talk:Infobox UK place#Settlement. Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 16:59, 10 June 2010 (UTC) rangeblock

I notice PeterSymonds has not edited for nine days now; I'm not sure if he's taking an unannounced wikibreak or if the computer problems he had last month have geared up again. But in either case I'm not sure he'll be able to see the help request. I was able to find this diff, which is probably the reason for the block. I'm not familiar with this case, though, and can't speak for how many other editors may have been caught in the range block. Soap 16:09, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

OK, I believe based on this other diff, that the user who was targeted by the block is a very persistent vandal named User:Desmond Ying, but that there may well be innocent users caught in the rangeblock. Yet, even today, edits like this are appearing, which suggests that the vandal is still active. (Though it's possible that there may be more than one vandal in the range as well.) Soap 16:24, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
  • Just curious, would it help if I make a police report here in Singapore since the offender's IP is under the stable of cable modem belonging to StarHub TV. Frankly, I really hate such cowards operating under a false name and causing problem for the actual person, assuming that "Desmond Ying" is the intended target/victim of the perpetrator's wrath. Such behaviour of leaving the victim's name and contact number using a marker pen being scribbled down behind the public toilet doors here in Singapore is really not uncommon although the situation is still under control. However, there are laws in Singapore that governs the usage of the internet by ordinary folks and I believe that this continuing problem of harassment might warrant a police report if and only if Wikipedia considers it as a problem. Thoughts? --Dave ♠♣♥♦1185♪♫™ 16:39, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
  • I don't have that much knowledge of the background of this case, but I suppose that might be a good idea. Perhaps this thread should be moved to WP:AN or WP:ANI? I will be busy off wikipedia for the next 12 to 24 hours, so I don't have time to look into it right now. Thanks! Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 16:42, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
JamieS93 revoked the talk page access for the range, so I've pointed the user to the unblock mailing list. Tim Song (talk) 18:09, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

While disruptive, such a rangeblock is I guess just a fact of life for users in Singapore. Between allowing anonymous editing and vandalism and getting would-be editors to register, I think the latter is preferable. I suppose you could file a police report... but what good would it really do? In a timely manner? --Rifleman 82 (talk) 15:51, 11 June 2010 (UTC)