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Hi PleaseStand! Thanks for helping out at this project. Your contributions are much appreciated, and I hope you find Wikipedia a friendly and fun place to build a wonderful resource. I noticed your recent nomination of Michael Paxton to be deleted. It definitely looked much less notable at the time of nomination than when I closed the debate. You may like to review our various notability guidelines. Again, thanks for helping out here! If you have any questions whatsoever, feel free to leave a message on my talk page. Jujutacular T · C 02:41, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

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I have changed it to "fill in" to be obvious to all. It wasn't such an error - we Brits like to have different spellings, to confuse the Americans :-)  Ronhjones  (Talk) 23:55, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

DYK: Dresden Without Nazis

Can you have another look at Template talk:Did you know#Dresden Without Nazis? I've added some more sources to the article, including one that explicitly says that Dresden Without Nazis did coordinate the action against the Nazi demonstration. I also changed "organized" to "coordinated" in the hook, accordingly. Please let me know if that addresses your concerns with regard to the hook. Regards,  Cs32en Talk to me  22:07, 23 February 2010 (UTC)


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For creating the subpage search. Many thanks. Sole Soul (talk) 15:54, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

yes i have the information

Moved to User talk:Jumamuba#About your article Bd bacata. PleaseStand (talk) 01:51, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Cheater plug

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The article Atlassian was deleted under WP:CSD#G11. I converted the file since it originally was a PDF, not an SVG. PleaseStand (talk) 14:11, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

Where to report shared account?

{{helpme}} The user pages and some edit summaries of Psy3330 W10 (talk · contribs) suggest that this is a shared account for some educational assignment. Per WP:NOSHARE, user accounts can only represent individuals and shared accounts should be blocked. How do I report such a user account to the administrators? PleaseStand (talk) 23:27, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

I'm checking their contribs; more in a bit.  Chzz  ►  23:31, 17 March 2010 (UTC)
OK - so, yes, obviously it is being used by many people. Did you see User:Psy3330 W10?
The action I would advise in this specific case is, to discuss it with them on their talk page, and explain the policy, asking them to please ensure each individual gets their own account; monitoring the situation and taking further action if and when appropriate. I don't see it as being truly disruptive, or a deliberate attempt to cause problems, thus I would discuss it with them first.
So - please feel free to advise them, if you wish. If you would prefer me to follow up on it for you, just let me know on my own talk page, and I will be happy to do so.
Thank you for highlighting the issue, best wishes,  Chzz  ►  23:40, 17 March 2010 (UTC)
Posted a message on their talk page, and also e-mailed them. PleaseStand (talk) 00:09, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
OK, great; considering all the other warnings on the page, I decided to try and 'tidy it up' a bit, so that the important stuff was more clear; I collapsed other warnings, and added a big one at the end. Hopefully, that will help; I hope you don't mind - just that, given all the files and pages they are creating, I wanted there to be a warning in place at this point. Cheers,  Chzz  ►  06:44, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────I actually got an e-mail response on March 18, but it wasn't from the professor. (It did suggest that the class project was done with)
I say that it's probably safe to block it if no one confirms within a day or two that the class project is done. PleaseStand (talk) 11:20, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
I concur; if several people know the password (which they seem to be admitting), then yes, we should block it with a nice note about getting their own accounts. If you need help getting that done, give me a shout. Good stuff, cheers,  Chzz  ►  11:47, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

Based around

I've noticed that you are changing the bad grammar of "based around" to "based on". However, that is not the only possibility, "based around" could also be "built around" depending on the context of the sentence. See this for an example. --JD554 (talk) 10:57, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

I'd agree that based around is correct in some contexts, and, on a quick check, with several other examples akin to the one above amongst your edits. Additionally, this example regards the base of a campus which is literally based in the area around George Square, not on it. Mutt Lunker (talk) 13:01, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
Here's another example which has rendered the text nonsensical, unless building on a shaft into the earth is regarded as a good idea. Built around would not suffice here as the pit was to be on the outskirts. Mutt Lunker (talk) 13:11, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
Not making that change anymore; apparently some things have slipped past me. You are right, "based around" often is not the best way to say it, but then again there is no one possible phrase to change it to either. It's not as suitable to semi-automatically fix as I had thought. And it is good that you did notice the incorrect changes and leave a message for me. It should be extremely difficult to edit 300 articles without anyone noticing. PleaseStand (talk) 20:06, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. Mutt Lunker (talk) 21:41, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Seconded. --JD554 (talk) 06:41, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

NCAT Pavement Test Track

Hi PleaseStand, I appreciate the help on NCAT Pavement Test Track, especially with copyvio problems. However, the editor is taking part in an educational assignment on which he will be graded, so please don't turn it into a DYK nomination until after, say, a day or two. Thanks, Dr Aaij (talk) 03:58, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

Thank you. I wasn't going to do so immediately, but rather let the article improve first. DYK standards discourage the use of bare links in citations of nominated articles, so I am planning to fix that first before nominating. I can wait. PleaseStand (talk) 04:05, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
Thanks. I left the creator a note as well--without your help they'd have a hell of a lot more work to do. Now, as for your last sentence, followed by your particular user name--are you a fan of John Milton's sonnets? Dr Aaij (talk) 04:08, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
No, my choice of user name was not influenced by that sonnet. Interesting observation though. PleaseStand (talk) 02:37, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for all the assistance with my article. I appreciate it very much.Bradallenpowell (talk) 04:23, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

PleaseStand, I think you deserve part of the grade. Dr Aaij (talk) 14:46, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

I am adding a section addressing the main criteria to the article's talk page. PleaseStand (talk) 02:37, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

I also posted a message at User talk:Bradallenpowell asking for the citation information. PleaseStand (talk) 03:19, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

Rowing at Penn

Hi PleaseStand, curious why you chose to argue Rowing at Penn failed the notability test. I understand and concur on the sources referenced and plan on adding them shortly. The article is by no means complete. The sport has been practiced and independently documented at the University for over 150 years, the team holds and has held numerous national records, produced dozens upon dozens of Olympians, and members of the team have had various parts of the Philadelphia named after them (because of their contributions to the sport). Since you were kind enough to propose the article for deletion without specifically explaining your 'fail' results (why the article fails notability), perhaps you would be kind enough to explain them specifically now. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hpiranha (talkcontribs) 12:58, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

Sorry for the misunderstanding. It was an anonymous editor that did so, not me. Here is a link to show that. It is the editor shown on the right-hand side ( that made the change; the edit just before that one was a minor fix I performed. In case you are wondering, it is perfectly acceptable for anyone to remove a PROD deletion tag; the warning you got from 5 albert square for doing so was a mistake. PleaseStand (talk) 20:57, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
One more thing: when saving a page, fill in the edit summary box with a brief description of the changes you made. It is easier for editors to examine the history of an article that way. Also, remember to sign your name and the date on talk (discussion) pages by adding four tildes (~~) after your post. Thanks! PleaseStand (talk) 21:08, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
Gotcha...apologies for the slight tone of resentment on my earlier post. I appreciate the help and the suggestions.Hpiranha (talk) 12:44, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Editor review/PleaseStand

Commented there. Peter 10:50, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

Thank you. PleaseStand (talk) 10:53, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

DYK nomination of USS Recruit (1917)

Thanks for reviewing my submission. :) I think I realise what's wrong - going by the pages sizes on the history page, it appears that it's only been 4x expanded, however I recall reading that, for DYK, you only count prose text - references, templates (the infobox), links/see also/lists etc. don't count. Just counting the prose, the article's been expanded over 5x, I believe. - The Bushranger (talk) 22:42, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

That's exactly what happened. The article is just a little above 5x, but that is still an improvement over the previous size, little more than a stub. Thank you. PleaseStand (talk) 22:51, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
No, thank you! :) - The Bushranger (talk) 22:51, 29 April 2010 (UTC)


Many thanks for the coding. There is one more thing. I want the option to be able to browse the index alphabetically. Is there a way you can add this option like a "next article" and "previous article" option in the top bar which reads the index and moves on to the next article in the index like you would in a written encyclopedia? For example say I'm reading an article on Aa Ab Laut Chalen. I click the next article option and it moves onto Aa Dekhen Zara, the next in the index? The coding would need to read the index and be programmed to read what comes next and then load the page automatically I think.. If this is not possible can you provide me with the option to click "index" on the page I'm on and it locates it in the index and then I can browse forward or backwards alphabetically? Dr. Blofeld White cat 12:03, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

It should be possible with the API. I'll get to work on that. PleaseStand (talk) 15:24, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
That would be great. It beats me though why we don't have such option in the first place like to shrink sidebar or navigate alphabetically. You'd think those would help the useability of the site... I'm sure I'm not the only one who has wanted to be able to shrink the side bar.... I'm currently making city locator maps e.g like Template:Location map United States Manhattan. If there are any cities you want maps for I'll be happy to upload them to display landmarks. Dr. Blofeld White cat 20:12, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
OK, here's something. Use the line importScript("User:PleaseStand/wikiapi.js"); importScript("User:PleaseStand/prevnext.js"); (yes, use both). It's not perfect, but it works on Firefox. One of the Wikipedia forks uses the similar mw:Extension:Back-and-Forth that runs on the server, not that I can think of any specific reason that "back-and-forth" links are useful. PleaseStand (talk) 23:16, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
Awarded to PleaseStand for his technical brilliance
You really are one of the finest coders I've ever come across on wikipedia. Thankyou!! Dr. Blofeld White cat 13:26, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Biosafety cabinet

The DYK project (nominate) 08:01, 7 May 2010 (UTC)


I'm experimenting with your new template and it's really awesome. Any recommendations regarding the following? I sign with three tildes, ~~~, based on the following code:

[[user:Agradman|Andrew Gradman]] / [[user talk:Agradman|talk]]. {{subst:freeze|{{SUBST:SUBJECTPAGENAME}}|<small>See {{SUBST:SUBJECTPAGENAME}} as of {{subst:CURRENTTIME}} {{SUBST:CURRENTDAY}} {{subst:CURRENTMONTHNAME}} {{SUBST:CURRENTYEAR}} (UTC)</small>}}

yielding my new signature:

Andrew Gradman / talk. See User:PleaseStand as of 19:24 10 May 2010 (UTC)
I changed the template so that the SUBJECTPAGENAME part is unnecessary. I also posted on WP:VPT regarding the merits of substitution versus transclusion of the {{frozen}} template because you mention using the template as part of a signature. Either way, though, {{subst:frz|2=as I saw it}} should be sufficient now. I do not believe, though, that an "as I saw it" link is necessary for everything though (of course not if the discussion does not have to do with any article). If you do add it, it would be a manual addition just before your signature because using it in a discussion such as an AfD debate would require different parameters than on an article talk page. (And no, using BASEPAGENAME rather than SUBJECTPAGENAME would not always solve the problem since sometimes there is a "(2nd nomination)" of an article.) (my user page as I saw it) PleaseStand (talk) 21:29, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
Another thing: {{RE:}} has too similar a name to {{RE}} and it generates a generic subject heading, which is not good. It is not good to have templates in subject headings either (currently the {{frozen}} template is inserted). PleaseStand (talk) 21:41, 10 May 2010 (UTC)


Hi PleaseStand, I am working on a project called Mirrorpedia which will hopefully obviate the need for an offline copy of Wikipedia (unless you just happen to be unable to access the Internet at an acceptable speed where you are, or something like that.) But in any case, Mirrorpedia will keep all the Wikipedia content you could possibly want safe and sound, so that should you desire an offline backup, you can download it at your leisure. I wrote a script that hits the API for the content of all new revisions as they appear on the #en.wikipedia recent changes IRC channel. In this way, I can keep an up-to-date copy of every article, with its full history. has the log entries (I'm not gathering the raw revisions continuously at this time; I'm waiting till I implement the stuff mentioned in the next paragraph.

Of course, the raw data isn't very useful. It needs to be imported into a MediaWiki installation somehow. I figure there are a few possible routes. I could try to figure out a way to import it using one of the methods mentioned at mw:Manual:Importing XML dumps. Or maybe I can find a suitable mw:Manual:Database access wrapper function that will suit my purposes. I want to take advantage of as much abstraction as possible though, rather than reinventing the wheel. I'll be puzzling over this the next few days and trying different things, so if you have any ideas, please let me know. I am using User:ClueBot/Source to access the API, by the way. Thanks, Tisane (talk) 09:05, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Please don't update the text of every revision as soon as it hits the IRC feed—I object to putting such load on Wikipedia's servers. What I want to save are 1) revisions that appear in the database dumps performed from time to time and 2) other revisions on demand (a menu selection both on the real Wikipedia page and on the archived copy to update the archive), to create an "offline" copy of Wikipedia that does not require my Internet connection or Wikipedia's servers to be working to read it. PleaseStand (talk) 11:09, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
I thought your main concern was with content being removed due to censorship? But one wouldn't be able to know in advance what articles/images/etc. are going to be censored. (E.g., Jimbo's deletions were unexpected.) I guess the data dump would suffice for those purposes, as long as the censored content weren't added since the last data dump. Tisane (talk) 19:30, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
That's fine with me. If I can save at least some of Wikipedia, that would be great. Again, what I am talking about is:
  1. Updates of all Wikipedia pages upon release of a new database dump (older, and without images).
  2. Updates of user-selected Wikipedia pages (newer, and with images). Actually, it is fine with me to automatically update some pages through IRC, but I would want to incorporate such functionality into an anti-vandalism bot to justify my use of resources. PleaseStand (talk) 19:41, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
Part of the idea of Mirrorpedia is also to allow bots to hit it with API requests rather than having them hit Wikipedia. I'm thinking that the additional replag could probably be kept pretty reasonable (it could auto-detect the current replag using this tool and wait the designated period before trying to hit the API). The costs of the mirror would be a fixed cost, rather than a variable cost, in that an infinite number of bots could be added without putting more load on the Wikimedia servers. WP seems to get several tens of thousands of hits per second, so another hit or two per second is probably not going to be a big deal, especially since only text (not images) would be loaded with each revision, and the net effect might be to reduce server load anyway.
Anyway, back to the point you were making. It sounds like the same technology that my project will require could also be used to make your project work. The only difference is that you would probably maintain an array or database table of page titles and/or page ids to update, and only hit the API when those pages are changed. I'm not sure integrating it within an anti-vandalism tool would suffice to give you an excuse to hit the API; after all, an anti-vandalism tool that seeks to minimize API hits would probably maintain a whitelist so that it wouldn't, for instance, check edits made by Jimbo Wales for vandalism. But as mentioned in the preceding paragraph, I don't think you really need an excuse. If memory serves, the cases I've seen in which Wikimedia started contacting users and objecting to their use of resources were when they were hitting the servers about 50 times a second in order to maintain a live mirror in which every time a user hit the mirror, the mirror hit Wikipedia. Tisane (talk) 20:09, 14 May 2010 (UTC)