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For identifying a hoax that has now been removed. Good work! Beeblebrox (talk) 20:36, 12 February 2013 (UTC)

Cayperl plateau[edit]

I second that - congratulations on spotting this as a hoax. You did exactly the right thing to put a {{hoax}} tag on it - that adds it to a category where people like me who are interested in demolishing hoaxes will see it and check it out (and sometimes find it's real after all). When I saw it there, I checked up on it, and nominated it for deletion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cayperl plateau. That would normally start a discussion, lasting seven days, anyone can comment and recommend keep or delete, and at the end an uninvolved administrator would decide what to do, based on the arguments put forward, not on a count of heads.

However Beeblebrox, another admin and an Alaskan himself, looking at my nomination, decided it was a blatant enough hoax to qualify for speedy deletion, and zapped it.

What put you onto it? I am always annoyed to see that well-meaning editors fuss around something like this, tidying it up and correcting the format, and never bother to take five minutes to check whither it is just made-up nonsense. Welcome, again! Here are some links that you may find helpful:

Regards, JohnCD (talk) 20:53, 12 February 2013 (UTC)

Thank you, Beeblebrox and JohnCD. I tried to find corroborating references, but I couldn't locate anything. There is almost always something published on a geological landform like this. The unsubstantiated part about a well-known politician like Sarah Palin made me suspicious. Praemonitus (talk) 01:04, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

Ravenloft: Stone Prophet[edit]

Hey, thanks for adding a citation to Ravenloft: Stone Prophet from Computer Gaming World. I was wondering, would you be able to add anything from there to the Reception section? BOZ (talk) 15:12, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

You can obtain a copy of that issue from the CGW Museum. There's further information in that article you should be able to use. Praemonitus (talk) 15:58, 19 February 2013 (UTC)
OK, thanks. I can't check that out from work, but I will take a look at it when I'm at home. BOZ (talk) 20:33, 19 February 2013 (UTC)


Thank you for looking at the article, and suggesting changes. You have my thanks for averting a edit war, which is never a good thing, even to get started. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 05:02, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

You're quite welcome. Praemonitus (talk) 05:04, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

John Mason Clarke[edit]

John Mason Clarke is no doubt a very good article. I just thought that the "Biography" part could be divided into smaller sections to make it more accessible. Do you disagree? ~ Anastasia (talk) 02:09, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

My sense of the guidance from WP:BODY is that short sections are generally discouraged. As there are only four paragraphs in the Biography section, I don't feel that further sub-division would be beneficial in this regard. Once the article is expanded further, additional sections will then be needed. Praemonitus (talk) 02:13, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

Mass Effect 2[edit]

Thank you for your constructive comments and copy-edits, much appreciated. --Niwi3 (talk) 15:02, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

You're welcome. Praemonitus (talk) 15:05, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

Thank you![edit]

Its always great to have people who not only review articles, but do some copyediting as well...This edit was definitely helpful. Thank you! I'll try and address the concerns you have raised at the FAC by tomorrow evening.--MONGO 02:44, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

Thank you. Praemonitus (talk) 15:14, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

Explorer II[edit]

I have started reviewing Template:Did you know nominations/Explorer II, and I have a few questions. Chris857 (talk) 18:40, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Explorer II[edit]

Casliber (talk · contribs) 00:02, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for letting me know. Praemonitus (talk) 00:07, 3 May 2013 (UTC)


I appreciate the time you spent to comment at the FAC for Fort Yellowstone.--MONGO 02:41, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

You're welcome. Congratulations on pushing the article through for promotion. Praemonitus (talk) 03:18, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

Input request[edit]

Hello Praemonitus,

I am requesting input from all participants in the discussion from the recent Signpost article on sexism in Wikipedia for a proposal at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football/National teams#Proposed change: consistency in article title gendering. Thank you in advance for any contributions to the discussion. Dkreisst (talk) 21:32, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

Future of the Earth[edit]

Hello. Please see Talk:Future of the Earth#KIC 12557548 b. Thank you. Pseudonymous Rex (talk) 21:34, 26 May 2013 (UTC)


That was quick update. ThanksGlevum (talk)

FAN Request[edit]

Hello! Since you were very helpful a few months ago when I nominated "Deadalive" for FA, I was wondering if you could drop by Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/X-Cops (The X-Files)/archive1 and cast a vote/provide suggestions. Thanks!--Gen. Quon (Talk) 00:29, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

August 2013[edit]

Information icon Welcome to Wikipedia. Although everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia, we would ask that you assume good faith while interacting with other editors, which you did not on User talk:Redd Foxx 1991. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. Thank you. GSK 09:52, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

Okay. The behavior of this user came to my attention when he removed a cleanup template I had added to an article. He made no attempt to address the concern, nor did he leave a message explaining why he removed the template. I went back and checked his prior edits and found he had repeatedly behaved in this manner despite multiple previous warnings. I wanted to discuss it with him, but his talk page clearly showed that he never responds to messages. Hence I instead posted a limited audit trail of level 3 warnings for future reference, which you have now removed. Now I would appreciate if you could tell me how I did not assume good faith here? In what sense was his behavior good? Praemonitus (talk) 23:47, 29 August 2013 (UTC)
You should have really posted one warning for the last relevant edit he made, not a flood of five or six level three warnings. As for not assuming good faith, I didn't say nor imply his behavior was good, because it wasn't. That doesn't mean you need to repeat his behavior. GSK 00:09, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
If your concern was simply the number, then I shall just replace them with a single merged message. Thanks for the clarification. Praemonitus (talk) 01:35, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

To continue, how would you recommend I handle this edit today? Or this? Or this? Thank you. Praemonitus (talk) 01:46, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

I'd recommend issuing a level four warning for those three, and if the user does it again, report to AIV. GSK 02:06, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
Thank you. Praemonitus (talk) 02:19, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

Botany wrap up[edit]

Could you take another look at this? Then we'll close the PR and request featured status. 512bits (talk) 19:26, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

It should close automatically. I'd leave it open until then in case anybody else wants to comment. Praemonitus (talk) 21:39, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

Pavo (constellation)[edit]

If you have a few moments, I was planning on putting up Pavo (constellation) next, so all input good. These listy-type constellation articles can be tricky to make the prose engaging. Triangulum is on its way too. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 03:15, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

I made a few edits of the Pavo article. Hopefully those were helpful, but if not please revert. Praemonitus (talk) 14:47, 7 September 2013 (UTC)
I've been looking as you go. Looks good. just kneading these articles a bit is very helpful/thx... :) Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 15:05, 7 September 2013 (UTC)

"Home" & "The Unnatural" FAN[edit]

Since you've helped out with several other articles I've submitted for FA consideration, is there anyway you could drop by either "Home" or "The Unnatural" and drop some comments, suggestions, or a vote? :) No rush! Thanks!--Gen. Quon (Talk) 21:36, 20 October 2013 (UTC)


Okay, now Tucana is the third of the Southern Birds I have buffed. It passed GA but any comments on prose flow and readability would be much appreciated before FAC.....Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 03:04, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

RE: Q-go[edit]

You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Q-go#Notability. -- Trevj (talkcontribs) 12:38, 10 December 2013 (UTC) -- Trevj (talkcontribs) 12:38, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

But wait, there's more....[edit]

thanks for input on Musca is at FAC - all input appreciated as it's pretty quiet there....Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 04:51, 5 March 2014 (UTC)

Peer review[edit]

Hi, would you mind participating in the peer review of Caelum going on right now? It's been nearly 2 weeks with no feedback, so anything, positive or negative, would be greatly appreciated. StringTheory11 (t • c) 04:20, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

I think I've addressed all your concerns; just let me know if you have anything else to add! StringTheory11 (t • c) 18:56, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

I found it![edit]

We-ell Ian Ridpath alerted us to his page (thankfully) - see this Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 04:33, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

Incidentally, I have followed Musca with Grus -feared it was/isa bit rough around the edges...anyway input gratefully welcomed at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Grus (constellation)/archive1. More ambitious with next one after...Canis Major..... Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 04:33, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

Also, you kidly commented at Thopha saccata peer review....think we fixed everything we could or explained why we couldn't, so at FAC now - Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Thopha saccata/archive2....Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 19:23, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

Oh hello[edit]

Once I've created an article about a galaxy NGC something just to be able to say that I've created an article. I see you did the same, but many times.Tetra quark (talk) 06:33, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

Hello Tetra. Yes, I made a few articles. Praemonitus (talk) 16:16, 26 December 2014 (UTC)

CG 4[edit]

Hi there,
Can you copyedit CG 4, specially in the structure section? I failed many a times and the no. of threads in Template:Did you know nominations/CG 4 increase just because I don't do good copyediting. Please....-The Herald the joy of the LORDmy strength 12:55, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

I gave it a try. Praemonitus (talk) 19:20, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
Thanks again on that. Can you please update FAC of 61 Cygni? -The Herald the joy of the LORDmy strength 03:24, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
There's nothing to update. My concerns haven't all been addressed, so for now I'm just going to wait and see. Praemonitus (talk) 00:34, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Outer space[edit]

The article Outer space you nominated as a good article has been placed on hold Symbol wait.svg. The article is close to meeting the good article criteria, but there are some minor changes or clarifications needing to be addressed. If these are fixed within 7 days, the article will pass; otherwise it may fail. See Talk:Outer space for things which need to be addressed. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Brirush -- Brirush (talk) 18:40, 27 March 2015 (UTC)


I'm not trying to be disruptive. Replacing commas with thin spaces was not the main aim of of the edits which introduced {{val}}; it was more about spacing of the errors. However, considering that the articles in question are science articles, thin spaces make sense. Jimp 02:39, 1 May 2015 (UTC)

I think a comma is less ambiguous and less likely to cause issues with scanning software. But really it should be discussed in the WP:AST before making a sweeping change in style to any astronomy articles, just to see if the astronomy community is okay with the revision. They might be open to it. Praemonitus (talk) 19:13, 1 May 2015 (UTC)

Tau Ceti[edit]

The WDS catalog gives 137 arcsec separation, while the listing in Jim Kaler's Stars page gives 90 arcsec. I don't really mind which we use, but given the large proper motion they could both be correct for different years. What do you think about giving the separation in arcmin with lower precision? --Amble (talk) 23:44, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

The WDS entry lists 110.8″ for 1911 and 137.0″ for 2000; I don't know where Jim Kaler is getting his data from, but his value is smaller than the separation has been for the last century. Praemonitus (talk) 00:47, 28 July 2015 (UTC)
Your conclusion doesn't necessarily follow from the two listed observations. The proper motion of tau ceti is 2″ per year, and the position angles for 1911 and 2000 differ by about 90°. This suggests that Tau Ceti is moving past the background star as seen from Earth, and reached a minimum separation at some time between 1911 and 2000. It could easily have been 90″ in some intervening year. It certainly won't be 137.0″ today, so simply stating that value as correct is a case of false precision. That's why I suggested giving a figure in arcmin with lower precision. If we do cite the 137.0″ value, more explanation is needed. --Amble (talk) 01:07, 28 July 2015 (UTC)
(Of course we also don't have an uncertainty listed for any of the three values.) --Amble (talk) 01:15, 28 July 2015 (UTC)
Your thinking is reasonable, but I would prefer to use the estimate listed in the WDS, while saying "As of 2000". Praemonitus (talk) 14:49, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

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Thank you for your massive contributions to the CarloscomB cleanup effort! Your conscientiousness here has not gone unnoticed, as you have turned multiple terrible articles into high-quality, accurate stubs. Keep up the awesome work! StringTheory11 (t • c) 20:56, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
Thank you. Praemonitus (talk) 22:38, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
Yeah that was amazing to really take up the slack and cleanup here. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 22:29, 4 November 2015 (UTC)
Thanks Cas. Glad I could be of some help. Praemonitus (talk) 23:17, 4 November 2015 (UTC)

outer space[edit]


You have undid my change in the article "outer space" for 100 km sentence. The article that I have added was a non profit aerospace journal whereas the one you have added is an ebook which you can buy for 133 euros. This tends to be an advertisement even if you wouldn't like to do so. Could you please replace it with my article back?


Regards — Preceding unsigned comment added by Diyetisyenece (talkcontribs) 17:30, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

Well I reverted it because, frankly, it was unclear and poorly written. The fact that the explanation is already covered in the body of the article was a reason to remove it from the lead: the lead is only intended to be a brief summary of the body (per WP:LEAD). I'll add your reference to the explanation in the body. Praemonitus (talk) 17:36, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

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Your biographies of scientists and astronomers are well done. Magnolia677 (talk) 14:07, 1 January 2016 (UTC)
Thank you, Magnolia677. Praemonitus (talk) 22:39, 1 January 2016 (UTC)

Removing red links for non-notable objects[edit]

Hi Praemonitus, I just noticed that you edited about 90 of the 2,000 sub-pages of the List of minor planets § Main index from 11 to 28 December last year. In order to avoid frustration, I'd like to let you know, that your removal of red-links on this list will be undone by the next run of the automated update procedure. Among other things, this procedure adds a redlink to every entry of a named minor planet, for which neither an article nor a redirect exists. You can avoid automated linking by creating a #REDIRECT that points to the corresponding entry in the list. This would also be consistent with the existing practice of redirecting non-notable minor planets to the list. Cheers, Rfassbind – talk 04:58, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

All right, thanks for the notification Rfassbind. Note that there were red links for non-named asteroids as well. Praemonitus (talk) 16:15, 3 January 2016 (UTC)
Yes, I noticed them as well (they already existed). I was actually thinking about removing all redlinks on provisional designations... what is your thought on them? -- Rfassbind – talk 17:55, 3 January 2016 (UTC)
Hmm, well none of the red links I removed were at all notable, so I'm not sure I see a benefit in maintaining them. Beyond the low thousands, I'd estimate the odds are pretty low for an object to be notable. Praemonitus (talk) 01:56, 4 January 2016 (UTC)
You may want to check this online-tool for future edits on linked minor planets in the List of minor planets. Compared to manual edits, this semi-automated tool should reduce the number of edit slip-ups (e.g. here). Rfassbind – talk 13:17, 21 March 2016 (UTC)
All right, thanks for the link Rfassbind. Praemonitus (talk) 19:40, 21 March 2016 (UTC)

five months[edit]

Re: Coastline of Western AustraliaI am not sure how long merge silences seem to indicate disinterest, and subsequent closure of merge suggestions, I created both articles, and see that 'regions' could expand considerably, and also the coastline article could expand as well, necessitating from my perspective as creator of both, a distinction between the two. However, despite vigorous and space consuming debates with fellow west australians elsewhere about coastal issues, none of the fellow editors have bothered to even ventured into the realm of merge discussion. But this is a mere pin prick on time waiting for comment, the highly esteemed Tasmania wikiproject, some attempts to enlist interest or comment, a year to 18 months is required to elicit a response, a stellar distance in time to usual wikipedia processes. However, simply to move the merge tag on your part simply reinforces my own prediliction to remain tasmanian and silent on the matter of discussion seeins that I created both in the first place, it is always nice when someone actually turns up and discusses things. But then, moving a tag is hardly a discussion. Have a good day ! JarrahTree 23:25, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

Mmm, well I don't have any particular preference with regards to a merge; my edit was just to make it easier to start reading the content. Praemonitus (talk) 23:28, 28 January 2016 (UTC)
Yeah well the people most likely to have discussed havent, I think I will ask someone to remove the notice (it would not be appropriate for me to do so), and retain my distance. cheers JarrahTree 23:44, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

Hatnote formatting[edit]

Hey, I noticed you've done some edits (like this one) where you replaced a bunch of template-based hatnotes with a single manual hatnote. While I can't really object to collapsing the hatnotes into one, please use {{hatnote}} for such edits rather than manual :'' formatting. The manual formatting is bad semantics and breaks some things like Hovercards, while there's no problem if you use {{hatnote}}. Thanks, {{Nihiltres |talk |edits}} 19:29, 1 February 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for the suggestion. Praemonitus (talk) 20:12, 1 February 2016 (UTC)


I hope you don't mind [1]. Thanks for your very intelligent contribution! --Anthonyhcole (talk · contribs · email) 00:05, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

I think you have the wrong editor. No worries. Praemonitus (talk) 00:37, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

DYK for NGC 1614[edit]

Coffee // have a cup // beans // 12:58, 28 March 2016 (UTC)

West Virginia Barnstar[edit]

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Praemonitus, I hereby award you The West Virginia Barnstar for your thoughtful review of Literary Hall which helped to promote the article to Featured Article status. Thank you for elevating an important West Virginia historic landmark article to Featured Article status, which will allow a larger audience to learn about West Virginia's history, its people, and its culture. -- West Virginian (talk) 18:02, 15 May 2016 (UTC)
Thank you, WV. It wasn't much, but I'm glad I could be of some help. Congratulations on getting the article promoted. Praemonitus (talk) 19:20, 16 May 2016 (UTC)

Lynx (constellation)[edit]

This one isn't gathering much interest at FAC...not sure whether subject matter or maybe prose a bit dry. If you could look it over I'd be grateful....Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 14:05, 31 July 2016 (UTC)

Ah, okay. I sort of took a few runs at it and fixed some things. I'll do a review. Praemonitus (talk) 17:27, 1 August 2016 (UTC)

Chart request[edit]

Could you do a similar magical 'heirarchy or orbits' chart that you did for Beta Scorpii for Beta Capricorni, please. :) Cuddlyopedia (talk) 09:12, 21 September 2016 (UTC)

Sure, I'll have a look when I have a little time. Praemonitus (talk) 15:00, 21 September 2016 (UTC)