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Nomination of Plaid (programming language) for deletion[edit]

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"What's up with the hissy fit?" or damage control by the holier-than-thou dude who deleted lots of my hard work[edit]

Prat, as "an editor of 15 years," you should know that converting a navbox to a list article is not the equivalent of deleting your work. You can use your listed navbox links, with added narrative content, to build a list article that serves the same content-unifying purpose. The list article can be linked under the "see also" section of each of the related articles. But you know this already, right?

Oh, by the way, I'm a 50-year-old bluewater sailor who has spent his weekends sailing the Atlantic Ocean and Gulf of Mexico since I was an age too young to crank the coffeegrinders. I've docked a 50' Beneteau under sail, and handled a 47' reefed sloop rig in squall winds just shy of hurricane-force gusts. Be careful what you assume about your fellow editors' knowledge of specific topics; you may discover they are better informed than you know. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 16:09, 23 May 2015 (UTC)

And there you go again. Damage control all you like, make all the claims you want, but the discussion has the clear and real evidence showing your absolute incorrectness on scope claims, red link claims (others should go see how few their are! Almost none left in Trimarans at all!). Have fun in your echo chamber, mate. I'm not going to put up with this bullshit, it's beyond pathetic. You are working against growth, spirit and community, and you are entitled to keep doing it if nobody else throws you out. I'm not going to waste my time anymore with people like you around interfering in huge amounts of solid, well researched and literally recently front-page featured article contributions in this area ... and not getting put down. I am visting goddamn libraries for this stuff. What the hell are you doing deleting others' work? Hopefully someone notices what an ass you have been and reverts these changes, anyway I'm done with this. No more patience or time for people like you deleting solid, useful and well intentioned work. It's insulting to the volunteers in the community. prat (talk) 16:17, 23 May 2015 (UTC)
Prat, I'm not doing "damage control" for my sake, but I am concerned when a long-term productive editors storms off in a huff. Frankly, I'm a little taken aback by your failure to acknowledge that your work will be preserved in the form of a list article, and nothing but the navbox format will be lost. Your time has not been wasted, and the substantive content will be preserved in its entirety. The only thing being "deleted" is the navbox format. You know this. As for me working against "against growth, spirit and community," that is complete nonsense, and my rather substantial edit history across a wide variety of sporting topics bears that out. Your navbox -- with far too many red links -- is simply being held to the same standards as the navboxes for every other sport, and every other topic area on Wikipedia. If and when you eliminate the red links within the current navbox, you may easily recreate the navbox or request a "refund" undelete from any uninvolved admin. Moreover, you will then have a stand-alone list article on topic as mandated by the five criteria of the WP:NAVBOX guideline.
Rather than provoking you further, I will leave you to consider what I have said above, and contemplate whether you truly want to walk away from your substantial work over what is essentially your disagreement with whether it should be presented in the form of a list or a navbox. I certainly hope Wikipedia will not lose the benefit of your work, but that choice is yours, not mine. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 16:39, 23 May 2015 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Greg Goodall[edit]

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Enhancement to Buddhist traditions timeline[edit]

Impressive! Sadhu! Larry Rosenfeld (talk) 10:00, 23 July 2015 (UTC)

List of superfoods[edit]

Prat -- as you have contributed to initiating and editing this list in the past, please give your thoughts on whether the article should be deleted, as proposed yesterday.[1] Guidelines:[2]. Thanks. --Zefr (talk) 14:27, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Pettycoin[edit]

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Kaep[edit]

I've got this up to 1,100 characters. Need another 400 so that I can nominate it for a WP:DYK. I don't have access to Highbeam or jstor, and have exhausted my on line sources. Some help would be appreciated. You of course would be listed as a co-creator. 7&6=thirteen () 17:41, 19 January 2016 (UTC)

Got it up over 2,000 characters. So never mind. If you have suggestions about the hook, let me know. 7&6=thirteen () 18:40, 19 January 2016 (UTC)
Nominated for DYK. Template:Did you know nominations/Kaep 7&6=thirteen () 21:24, 19 January 2016 (UTC)
Good job! prat (talk) 01:39, 20 January 2016 (UTC)
FYI, I added Kaep to Glossary of nautical terms. My guess is that all of those many articles you've created might be good candidates for additions. 7&6=thirteen () 15:53, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

Good job re:[edit]

The Assange and UN working group "In the News" nomination; too bad so many editors were short-sighted in opposing. I guess the United Nations, and arbitrary government detention of prominent whistleblowers, is irrelevant / not news / a good thing. -Darouet (talk) 03:05, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

  • Thanks, much appreciated. Can't say I'm surprised at the outcome ... Wikipedia is probably the first place paid shrills / agenda pushers head, and this is the sort of topic certain people want to squash. Contributions from amorphous 'university' IP addresses in Finland... right ... anyway, I do what I can. Perhaps someone else will re-nominate in a day or two. Keep calm carry on :) prat (talk) 05:00, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

DYK for Kaep[edit]

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Hello![edit]

I was reading your userpage and found that you're writing a History book. Though, modern historians are either biased or unaware of all facts. I wish that you write a book that doesn't spread mithyatva (which the world of today is already full of). My ability to distinguished valuable gems from valueless stones has allowed to me to lay my hands on some of the very best books ever written on comparative religions and philosophy. If you wish I can share the names with you. Thank you,-जैन (talk) 06:55, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

Religion doesn't feature strongly in my book, other than in broad discussion, since the area I am writing about lacks adequate physical and textual evidence for a more nuanced analysis. History is always imperfect, and often there is no right or wrong interpretation of the evidence, just different opinions. Philosophy is about perspective, which is personal and often based upon personal experience rather than empiricism (though certain religious philosophies make claims of varying strength about their fundamental alignment with empirical thought). That said, I'm always interested in good reads, so let me know what you recommend! prat (talk) 11:18, 8 February 2016 (UTC)
You may read (1) The Key of Knowledge and (2) Jainism or The Early Faith of Asoka by Edward Thomas. Champat Rai Jain in his "Key of Knowledge" provides wonderful explanation of various mythological accounts and allegories found in various cultures and religions. This "Book of Books" also has three appendixes that you may find very useful. Thank you.-जैन (talk) 12:04, 8 February 2016 (UTC)

Your attack of the mostly U.S. date format (f.k.a. "personal attack")[edit]

I never said your edition was a personal attack. Reread my summary again, but this time slowly and carefully. 75.162.205.73 (talk) 07:54, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

No thanks, why are you going around making unfounded statements about people? Sheesh. All I did was express frustration at American date ordering. prat (talk) 12:19, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

If you're too unskilled to do that, then you have no room to complain. Besides, my statement is actually founded, and you would see proof of that if you could actually comprehend what I wrote in my summary. And there's nothing to express frustration about in (U.S.-)American date ordering. Your personal attack was against whoever used that format in the formation of that part of the article. Oh, but happy "Leap Day," 02/29/16. 75.162.205.73 (talk) 12:35, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

No. If you look it was a series of edits in which I was trying to enter a date for a reference and it didn't work. I was the person doing the authoring. prat (talk) 00:22, 1 March 2016 (UTC)

Yeah, I know you were the person doing the authoring now, but what about the person who put that date there before you tried to change it? I'm talking about that person. That would be the one you were attacking, would it not? And how would entering a date in a different order supposedly "not work"? And why would the Wikipedia stop it from working if Wiki is Britain-based? 75.162.205.73 (talk) 09:50, 1 March 2016 (UTC)

Err, no, I put it there. By the way I advocate ISO date ordering YYYY-MM-DD as the most intelligent, sortable option, most to least significant, and sidestepping the British and American habits. prat (talk) 11:53, 1 March 2016 (UTC)

Oh, I hadn't found your user name clear down below, where that whole section was put. I can see the point of your preference for sorting purposes, but it seems kind of awkward for regular writing and speaking. Doesn't it, honestly? "Uh, yeah, Tom, we got married on 2005, September the 2nd. And then we got divorced on 2011, February the 16th, just a week before my birthday of 2011, February the 23rd." Hmm....? 75.162.205.73 (talk) 07:21, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

An intelligently ordered, concise, international, progressive written form does not presuppose the spoken form, so your example while ridiculous demonstrates nothing. prat (talk) 04:19, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

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