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The article indeed sucks - but every time I try to steel myself to deal with it, my heart aches and a drowsy numbness pains my sense (I'm sure you know the feeling).--Smerus (talk) 14:31, 2 June 2017 (UTC)

Indeed, I know it rather too well. Unfortunately it is hardly alone among composer articles in sucking, what with the lapsing of the Schubert article into tabloid-speak and the confused-first-year partial summary of Haydn's musical style in his article (I'm almost afraid to look at those for Mozart and Beethoven). Well, I suppose we have to start somewhere, although looking at the impressive bibliography list for the Chopin article I am not sure how much help I could be for fixing up the Liszt article!
(It is hardly a problem confined to music, BTW; the phosphorus article is about as terrible, and despite having written many chemistry articles on Wikipedia I still can't bring myself to actually deal with that one. I was hoping to escape that for a moment by looking at my other interests on WP; obviously it didn't work.) Double sharp (talk) 14:52, 2 June 2017 (UTC)
Well at the moment I have promised to try to improve Claudio Monteverdi - and then I will have to resume Johannes Brahms where I've done the life but can't face the FL and the others will have to wait a bit.......Smerus (talk) 15:02, 2 June 2017 (UTC)
For sure, Brahms is pretty difficult to write about: I am still not sure I understand his music well enough to write a lucid, sourced exposition about it. I have made some brave noises about rewriting Haydn (which I think I understand better), but it would also be my first time actually writing something biographical and it certainly still scares me a little, even though I logically know that that's a rather silly reaction. Still, the work that has been done on the already-FA composers makes me confident that when I run into problems on that (and I certainly will when I get around to it), there will be a great deal of help coming my way. ^_^ Double sharp (talk) 15:15, 2 June 2017 (UTC)
Keep me in touch.....Smerus (talk) 16:13, 2 June 2017 (UTC)
But of course! Double sharp (talk) 02:48, 3 June 2017 (UTC)
@Smerus: If I had to put a finger on just one thing I've been sorely missing in some of the composer articles is a sort of "what-to-look-for-in-the-style" guide – the composition sections tend to look like a list of works and when they were written with nothing else. I certainly like that information, but I almost think I'd want to know something about "signature" elements of their style in the sense of the principles that tend to be at work in their music, hopefully with some illustrative musical examples. Even an FA like Francis Poulenc is not exactly forthcoming about this: it tells us the main aspects but I almost wish there was a musical example or two in there to see it for myself – and now I start to wonder why nothing is said about why he is categorised as a "neoclassical" composer (the term isn't even used once in the article proper!). I don't claim to be an expert on Poulenc's music, but when I finally get around to courageously tackling Haydn I shall try to address this – I am pretty sure I know what is going on there, at least, and know where to find sources for it. ^_^ Double sharp (talk) 14:08, 28 June 2017 (UTC)


Active work on lead finished for now, and I'd want to tackle on thorium. Now is the time to begin with. (Or next week at worst.) I've shortly listed what we need to do at Talk:Thorium/PR_continued#Road_map_towards_FAC. Are you ready to go on?--R8R (talk) 10:19, 10 June 2017 (UTC)

Okay, I'm ready! (Oddly enough I didn't get the "new messages" orange bar for this, which is why I'm slightly later than usual at replying.) ^_^ Double sharp (talk) 11:39, 10 June 2017 (UTC)

Langue sacrée, langue parlée[edit]

Hello. You have translated several film articles from the French for me in the past. Would it be possible for you to please kindly translate this one too? The poster is here. Many thanks! Current IP: (talk) 10:55, 11 June 2017 (UTC)

OK: it looks fairly short, so I may be able to get it done today (but note the may ^_^). Double sharp (talk) 11:25, 11 June 2017 (UTC)
Great. Please feel free to take your time. Nobody is in a hurry. (talk) 12:07, 11 June 2017 (UTC)
And apparently I jinxed myself by saying that, so that I suddenly found that I needed to do something new IRL. I will try to finish it sometime early this week, at least. Double sharp (talk) 14:12, 11 June 2017 (UTC)
No problem.-- (talk) 14:26, 11 June 2017 (UTC)
Meanwhile, I have submitted a draft for another one of her films here. After it is approved, could you please also upload the DVD cover? Many thanks once again!-- (talk) 14:24, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
No problem, although that will have to wait for it to be approved to meet WP:NFCC. Double sharp (talk) 14:26, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
Great!-- (talk) 14:29, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
By the way, any chance for you to approve the submission? And, after both articles are ready, would it be possible for you to also create a Category:Films directed by Nurith Aviv plus a Template:Films directed by Nurith Aviv? Thanks! Current IP:-- (talk) 21:58, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
I'm not particularly well-versed in the AfC process; how would I go about doing this? Does it suffice to simply move the article into the mainspace, since it seems to be ready already? Double sharp (talk) 14:49, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
You could ask here. I think these are the instructions.-- (talk) 15:03, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
Traduire article approved!-- (talk) 08:52, 17 June 2017 (UTC)
Just making sure you haven't forgotten about the requests :)-- (talk) 10:08, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
Right, thanks; there's been way too much stuff coming over this week. I'll do it now. Double sharp (talk) 10:09, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
Superb.-- (talk) 10:40, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
 Done Double sharp (talk) 11:31, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
Excellent! Thanks so very much. Now just the template for her three films. I'll expand the article now.-- (talk) 11:34, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
OK, now that's done too. Double sharp (talk) 11:45, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
Many thanks once again!-- (talk) 11:45, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
Oh, and, of course, the link to the French Wikipedia article should appear on the the left. I can't manage to figure out how to do so myself. Thanks.-- (talk) 12:48, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
 Done Double sharp (talk) 13:19, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
Cheers.-- (talk) 13:20, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
You're welcome! Double sharp (talk) 13:37, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
One more thing, if that's not too much of a burden. I've written an article about a poem: could you, please, upload its book cover? A great many thanks, again!-- (talk) 13:38, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
 Done Double sharp (talk) 14:27, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
Thanks!-- (talk) 14:41, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
And, can you please also upload the cover for this book, too? Thank you.-- (talk) 16:42, 27 June 2017 (UTC)
Have you seen my latest message?-- (talk) 10:22, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
Yes, I have. It's just that I can't upload it from my phone, so it will have to wait for about another hour or so. Double sharp (talk) 10:24, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
No problem whatsoever. Just wanted to make sure you haven't missed it. Thanks again.-- (talk) 10:31, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
 Done Double sharp (talk) 12:00, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
Thanks!-- (talk) 12:07, 28 June 2017 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Praseodymium[edit]

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On dynamic groups and reclassifying Jupiter's irregular moons.[edit]

I apologize for the long message.

Here, I decided to help you along in reclassifying Jupiter's irregulars. I ran a computer program with the definitions of each group, throwing each moon at it with its orbital elements (mostly inclination and eccentricity) and letting it classify it as Ananke, Carme, or Pasiphae group based on that. In weird cases, I used common (not-so-common?) sense to figure out where it most likely belonged.

Feel free to leave your comment below.

Here are the results.

Themisto - ?!?!

Leda - Himalia

Himalia - Himalia (duh...)

Lysithea - Himalia

Elara - Himalia

Dia - Himalia

Carpo - ?!?!

S/2003 J 12 - ?!?!

Euporie - Maybe Ananke/Pasiphae, but I can't find any relation to either. My program also gave up on this one. Seems to be who knows?!?!

S/2003 J 3 - Most likely Ananke, as an outer member.

S/2011 J 1 - ?!?!

S/2003 J 18 - Ananke/Pasiphae (mixed) The eccentricity is a bit low for Ananke. Also a bit close in to be Pasiphae.

S/2010 J 2 - Ananke

Thelxinoe - Ananke

Euanthe - Ananke - WHY ARE YOU SAYING PASIPHAE ON WIKIPEDIA?!?!?! It's probably a member of Ananke, just on the outer edge.

Helike - Ananke/Pasiphae (mixed results) More likely Pasiphae due to its low eccentricity.

Orthosie - Pasiphae. Its low inclination relative to the Ananke group suggests Pasiphae.

S/2016 J 1 - Pasiphae

Iocaste - Ananke

S/2003 J 16 - Ananke

Praxidike - Ananke, but my program suggested Pasiphae. The eccentricity is a bit low for Ananke.

Harpalyke - Ananke

Mneme - Ananke

Hermippe - Ananke

Thyone - Ananke

Ananke - Ananke (duh...)

Herse - Carme

Aitne - Carme

Kale - Carme

Taygete - Carme

S/2003 J 19 - Carme. Outer edge, though. My program suggested it didn't belong to a group.

Chaldene - Carme

S/2003 J 15 - Pasiphae. With such an extremely circular orbit, it's obvious.

S/2003 J 10 - Carme

S/2003 J 23 - Pasiphae

Erinome - Carme

Aoede - Pasiphae. A bit (or far?) too elliptical for the Carme group.

Kallichore - Carme

Kalyke - Carme

Carme - Carme (duh...)

Callirrhoe - Pasiphae

Eurydome - Pasiphae

Pasithee - Carme

S/2010 J 1 - Carme

Kore - Pasiphae

Cyllene - Pasiphae

S/2011 J 2 - Pasiphae. Its eccentricity and inclination match those of an Ananke group member close to the edge. But it's way too far away.

Eukelade - Carme

S/2017 J 1 - Pasiphae

S/2003 J 4 - Pasiphae. Only choice. Why do you have it marked with a question mark on Wikipedia? It's definitely Pasiphae.

Pasiphae - Pasiphae (duh...)

Hegemone - Pasiphae

Arche - Carme

Isonoe - Carme

S/2003 J 9 - Definitely Carme. Nothing else fits.

S/2003 J 5 - Carme

Sinope - Pasiphae

Sponde - Pasiphae

Autonoe - Pasiphae

Megaclite - Pasiphae

S/2003 J 2 - ?!?! There doesn't seem to be anything for this one. Maybe a more distant member of the Pasiphae group at best, but it does seem to orbit eerily alone.

Hope this helps you. ;-). (talk) 20:47, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

It's not my classification for some of the odd cases, but directly from Sheppard's website; after all, he is the discoverer of many of these tiny moons. The question marks for some of the unnamed moons are because their orbits are not known very well yet; so even though some look like really good members of their groups now, this could change (perhaps in 2018 with the next round of observations). Incidentally, the Pasiphae group is more like a case of "no strong dynamical clustering" than a real group.
Euanthe is indeed an Ananke group member and I am sorry for introducing the confusion; I must have made a copy-and-paste blunder and then propagated it everywhere. Well, time to change it now! Double sharp (talk) 23:25, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
Actually, wait: I did mark Euanthe correctly as an Ananke group member in {{Moons of Jupiter}} and the main article. Are you sure you didn't make a little slip-up there? ^_-☆ Of course, I greatly appreciate the work you have done here! Double sharp (talk) 23:36, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
Okay, I just checked your list against Moons of Jupiter and Sheppard's website. Every case matches, except for the question marks I applied to the "lost" moons (Sheppard even more prudently does not categorise them, since their orbital elements are not known well enough to use them as the primary basis for grouping). Thank you for all your hard work on this! ^_^ Double sharp (talk) 23:41, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
No problem! And the Euanthe confusion was because I accidentally read the next row. (See my talk page.) I guess you really did classify all of them correctly. Now to update the articles of some of these moons, some of which still have the wrong classifications on them. I mean, I would do it, but I don't have that kind of patience. (talk) 00:54, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
I don't think that many changed, so I may have gotten all of them already: but I'll go through and check them all again. Double sharp (talk) 03:22, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
 Done They should all be correct now. Double sharp (talk) 03:47, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

On reclassifying the nonmetals[edit]

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thereby completely ending the debate on reclassifying nonmetals in favour of the status quo. The End. Parcly Taxel 06:53, 15 June 2017 (UTC)

Rejected proposals for superheavy names[edit]

Here. It was a surprise to me the Dubna team didn't give up of russium and kurchatovium from the past. Though I think the rules are overly strict: for one, I have never heard of "leosium."--R8R (talk) 12:04, 18 June 2017 (UTC)

I'm a bit sceptical of this, to be honest. How come flerovium was okay for element 114 but not for element 116? Double sharp (talk) 12:14, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
Yeah, I thought so, too. Maybe they went pushy on that one, though? Also, I remember that O wanted to name an element after Flerov and the element was named after the Flerov Lab, so that could be a compromise?--R8R (talk) 15:50, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
The compromise idea makes sense. I'd want to know where these guys got their info from before feeling completely comfortable about reporting it, though. Double sharp (talk) 23:38, 18 June 2017 (UTC)

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I think you revert was fine, but I'd like to let you know of another class of Mn(VII) compounds, namely there are imido complexes of heptavalent manganese. For example chloro tris (tert-butylimido) manganese. For more in formation see Non-oxo chemistry of manganese in high oxidation states. Part 1. Mononuclear tert-butylimido compounds of manganese-(VII) and -(VI)!divAbstract OrganoMetallurgy (talk) 15:56, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for the paper! This is quite cool, though I still think it may be more important to make it clear that MnVII and high oxidation states like that mostly have only oxo chemistry; it's not like TcVII or ReVII. I'm still thinking if there may be a place to cover this: I think the chemistry section is a little small and could be expanded to discuss Mn complexes in each of its oxidatin states. ^_-☆ Double sharp (talk) 23:39, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

New messages.[edit]

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Hi Double sharp, sorry about the reverts. I haven't finished my response yet to your first comments (for which, thank you!). I can't finalise my own line of thinking, at the same time as responses come in to my unfinalised thoughts. (Actually, I probably could but I feel that the quality of the exchange would deteriorate markedly). I hope you can understand. Sandbh (talk) 06:17, 25 June 2017 (UTC)

Of course I understand; I just inattentively didn't notice your note at the top. In any case, my comments are there in the history, so they're not lost. ^_^ Double sharp (talk) 06:19, 25 June 2017 (UTC)
Thank you, I thought that might be the case. I'm thoroughly enjoying the discourse. I'll let you know when my response is ready. At least you will have done half of the work in formulating a reply already! Sandbh (talk) 06:46, 25 June 2017 (UTC)
Of course. You're very welcome! Double sharp (talk) 06:49, 25 June 2017 (UTC)
Good news; my response has been finalised, and is ready for your consideration. Sandbh (talk) 00:41, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

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