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Octaviano Tenorio[edit]

Hi PBP

I am very puzzled by the discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Octaviano Tenorio. We have three verbose editors there who seem to have a big problem with the concept of independent sources being required to establish notability per WP:GNG.

So far, the only two explanations I can come up with are that either they are a) unable to understand that notability requires independent sources; or b) trying to erect a smokescreen. The first is a WP:COMPETENCE issue, and the second is plain disruption.

I don't want to reach either conclusion, but can't see any other explanation for what's going on. Do you have any other ideas about what might be happening? I find it weird. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 13:20, 13 July 2016 (UTC)

@BrownHairedGirl: JPL is always vociferous when it comes to defending LDS articles and uses the same arguments again and again. Depending on the admin closing, it has sometimes worked, so... kudos to him? --NeilN talk to me 13:33, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
Thanks, NeilN. I feared that might be the case.
If this is part of a pattern of ignoring policy and pushing the case for en.wp to right some great wrong against the LDS, then we seem to be heading towards an RFCU. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 13:51, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
In my dealings with JPL, I've found him to be vociferous period. He picks a position in an AfD or CfD (where he has major ownership issues), and whenever somebody disagrees with him, he bludgeons the bajeebers out of them. I've seen him make 5, 6, 7, 8 consecutive comments in a single AfD or CfD, sometimes 3-4 seperate bulleted comments in a row. In this particular topic, it combines with a very right-wing pro-Mormon assessment of the media: JPL has essentially said that only Mormon sources can be trusted to properly assess Mormons. He insists on using the most incendiary language toward people with whom he disagrees: any criticism of his stances is a personal attack; any criticism of Mormonism (very broadly construed) is bigotry. JPL doesn't seem to be constrained by policy and guidelines. He's already had two major incidents that should have caused him to be indeffed: the Amanda Filipacchi mess that went on for months and the attacks on Jeanne Shaheen in violation of BLP. Plus there's all the bad articles he's created. His problems are magnified by being a volume editor; often adding 50-100 categories to articles in a single evening. I tried once awhile ago to rein him in and failed (that was before either of the two major incidents). It's time to try again. pbp 14:36, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
I don't think it's as much a competence issue with Montanabw. I just think he believes everybody of every religion this high up to be notable, and he's upset that people of seemingly lower caliber get more coverage. Though he does stray into the "right wrongs" territory. pbp 14:36, 13 July 2016 (UTC)

Pbp, I agree that its time to try again to restrain JPL. I think that an RFCU is probably the best way to go, but am open to other suggestions. What do you think? Would you be interested in co-operating to put something together? --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs)

@BrownHairedGirl: RFCU no longer exists. Hasn't for a couple years. Your choices are ANI or Arbcom. --NeilN talk to me 17:47, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
Ah, I see. I was nearly 2 years out of date on RFCU.
OK, I will do some diff-farming, and the maybe we can swap notes and see what we got. I hope it doesn't mean Arbcom, which is a massive time-sink. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 17:52, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
I'll ride shotgun on this with you. It's clear from Filipacchi and Shaheen that the user has a long-term pattern of abuse. We could also wait for him to complain about us and then slap him with the boomerang. pbp 18:01, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
On his previous form, I wouldn't be entirely surprised if he did that. But I think I'd prefer to be proactive. Such intense POV-pushing deserves a proactive response. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 18:20, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
If you want to do that, I'll be a co-signatory. pbp 01:47, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
@BrownHairedGirl:, when you start a draft of this, please link me to it. pbp 17:36, 14 July 2016 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────Do what you have to do as far as the one editor against whom you see a pattern, but when you make assumptions about other people's motives, such as "the only two explanations I can come up with are..." that comes pretty close to WP:ASPERSIONS. I've commented in good faith on two AfDs in support of an editor's articles, and that editor is one with whom I usually disagree (often quite strongly). So if your above remarks are in any way accusing anyone of incompetence or disruption, I suggest you slow down a bit. Montanabw(talk) 07:22, 15 July 2016 (UTC)

@Montanabw: I don't think you're incompetent, I'm more just displeased at your AfD comments. This in contrast to how I feel about JPL, who has a voluminous history of incompetence and disruption (see in particular the Filipacchi and Sheehen diffs above). pbp 14:22, 15 July 2016 (UTC)
I can live with that. Thank you. I have also had a number of disagreement with JPL which is why I wanted to try very hard to neutrally assess his articles about conservative old white men as well as the articles I enjoy reviewing on progressive modern women of color. It's been a fascinating experiment. Montanabw(talk) 20:21, 15 July 2016 (UTC)
  • @BrownHairedGirl: If you're still planning on acting against JPL (and I'd advise act against him rather than Montana), there's another thing to add to that complaint that Montana has jogged my memory about: his anti-woman attitude. Montana notes that he noms a lot of woman articles for deletion, I also remember the big kerfuffle he had with other editors over whether or not to have all-woman categories. pbp 01:34, 17 July 2016 (UTC)

Thank you[edit]

I appreciate that you are making calm and cogent remarks about where you think the AfD discussions are going off the tracks. From there, here were your comments Where's the RfC? ... while I wouldn't say you've been dishonest, I would say you have misinterpreted what I and others have said in this thread and/or gone off on some bad tangents. I also get the feeling you are displeased that something like this can't be included while porn stars and minor cricketers can. That is a side effect of WP:N/WP:42: dependence on what is covered in secondary sources. This displeasure, however, is not entirely germane, and has lead you to venture into the realm of OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. I'd like to continue this discussion here, as I appreciate that you are thinking things through without making personal attacks. From my side, it is clear that I am not doing as good of a job of articulating what I really think. Can I run the following past you for comment?

  1. There are 2 RfC's both at WT:N. You have weighed in on the first, which is not mine, and that one I also opposed. I put forth the second, with the longer discussion.
  2. One thing that the 2nd RfC is bringing out is that the application of WP:N at AfD is not in line with policy in many cases, the AfD regulars are relying too much on the SNGs and forget that GNG trumps any individual set of criteria.
  3. I have no beef with WP:42, never have. I simply have a position on how to interpret "independent" and "significant" that differs from some other users. (I think that sometimes some users do not AGF on the difference between reliability and "bias." Absolutely everything has some kind of "bias," the question is only what kind and how much.)
  4. I sincerely think that the actual position I hold on notability in general is not contradictory to the letter or spirit of WP:N, particularly after what I am seeing and hearing at my RfC. I simply have not properly articulated it--my position is misunderstood: I do not advocate "weakening" standards.
  5. I think that the pornstar and cricketers examples do not reflect the real world, they reflect WP editorship, which skews 80-85% male, mostly white, western, single, young, technically inclined, and of a libertarian/anarchist bent.
  6. Systemic bias is real and something WP does need to fix.
  7. I am open to discussion of whether there really is an OTHERSTUFF argument, I think that a lot of AfDs reflect a double standard that was written into an SNG and became "consensus." The SNGs at PORNSTAR are too lenient, while SNGs for, say NADCADEMIC are too strict (but also consisting of fuzzy language, what is "significant"? What is a "major" work?) Again, SNGs do not trump GNG, but are often applied as if they do.
  • OK, that's enough. If you find this tl;dr, no worries, but I am sincerely interested in your thoughts. Montanabw(talk) 22:26, 15 July 2016 (UTC)
    • @Montanabw: Let me say that I for one am not that upset at you as BHG seems to be in the past 48 hours. It's pretty clear that your coming from a different place than JPL is, namely that JPL seems to have an anti-woman streak in him (nominating a lot of female article for deletion, fighting vociferously with other editors about whether or not to have all-woman categories). You're coming is coming from a place that's reasonable, albeit one that's not necessarily one always supported by existing policy. In regards to I've been mulling over what to say in your RfC for about 24 hours now, and still don't know what to do about that issue. pbp 01:30, 17 July 2016 (UTC)
      • Mulling things over is good. Your comments have been thoughtful and measured. My involvement with the Mormon articles was, in part, examining my own systemic bias (in contrast see, e.g. Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kanwal Ameen) My view is that policy and the SNGs are being confused at AfD, (SNGs do not trump GNG, they provide guidance, not exclusion) and AfD has its own in-house "consensus" amongst the regulars that may not really reflect WP:N or even some of the SNGs. My RfC at WT:N is drawing a lot of very interesting remarks and some solid thinking, even where I may hold a different view. The problem is that few of the AfD regulars are commenting there. Montanabw(talk) 03:17, 17 July 2016 (UTC)

Unban[edit]

Thanks for the unban, it is appreciated, and seems unusual.  Like I said, though, don't assume that I won't continue to remove your posts on my talk page.  Thanks, Unscintillating (talk) 06:18, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

Eh, whatevs. pbp 15:09, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

Criticizing me[edit]

If you want to criticize me in various places, will you please do me the favor of pinging me, so that I can defend myself? That would be the decent thing to do. I will extend you the same courtesy. Thank you very much. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 06:32, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

Well, since you're here, @Cullen328:, and since BHG's discussion is closed, lemme reiterate what I don't like: I don't like the use of IAR to circumvent existing policies and guidelines, and I don't like that you and others kind of hinted that anyone who opposed this must not like the LDS Church. I don't think you're a bad person or anything, I just don't like your arguments in that AfD. At all. pbp 15:08, 20 July 2016 (UTC)
As for IAR, it is a core, established policy, plain and simple, and you are the one who asked me to cite policy. As for liking or disliking the LDS church, I dislike it very much individually. But as an encyclopedist, I want neutral, verifiable coverage of its leaders with worldwide authority. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 15:15, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

Courtesy notice[edit]

See Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Purplebackpack89.--Bbb23 (talk) 13:07, 21 July 2016 (UTC)

@Bbb23:: What a hoot. User:MSJapan has a sordid history of trying to punish people he disagrees with. First User:Kvng, then me, now this Moon King fellow who ain't me. Did you see this? What a waste of admin time. FWIW, it's no skin off my nose if you perform the check to confirm that I'm not Moon King. It may be the only thing to put this rumor to bed. After it's confirmed that, yes, I am not Moon King, I reckon MSJapan is due a boomerang. pbp 13:30, 21 July 2016 (UTC)

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@Mr. Guye: Please merge discussion of these redirects into a single discussion. I have already voted keep in all three, with the same rationale for all three. Your deletion rationale is nonexistent and your conversion to a disambiguation page is weak. pbp 23:29, 5 August 2016 (UTC)

FYI[edit]

Just to let you know, I've created an article about Theodor Lewald, an article you requested here. I'd welcome additions by you or any other editors. Joseph2302 13:32, 7 August 2016 (UTC)

Thank you! pbp 19:50, 7 August 2016 (UTC)

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ArbCom case on TRM[edit]

I invite you to discuss The Rambling Man. You might be an involved party. --George Ho (talk) 16:41, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

@George Ho: I hope that this will resolve his continual holier-than-thou incivility. But, seeing how he reacted to the ArbCom notice on his talk page, and how he's reacted to the last 100 or so ANIs, I don't hold out a lot of hope. pbp 18:53, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
@George Ho: If you needed anymore proof that The Rambling Man isn't listening to criticism, there's this pbp 19:51, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
Can you do that at your own section? I apologize; Banedon and I are forewarned about "canvassing". Maybe there (or at evidence subpage when the case is approved for review). --George Ho (talk) 20:00, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
I've beefed up my statement a little bit, @George Ho: pbp 20:08, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

Please stop pinging me[edit]

Please stop pinging me with your various posts relating to me and the proposed Arbcom case. It isn't required, you can easily talk about me without pinging me, and I don't need the notification, I'm well aware of your contributions here and elsewhere (where you were banned for disruption). The Rambling Man (talk) 19:54, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

@The Rambling Man: Maybe you should actually read the criticisms people have of you instead of just brushing them off. There are literally dozens of other people who have the same problems I do with you. There are dozens of ANI complaints against you and your holier-than-thou-art attitude; with nearly all of them being things I'm not a party to. There's more criticism of you at ENWP than there is of me at SEWP! A lot more! This isn't me, and you can't say that this problem is happening because you were a dick to me on SEWP and managed to get me indeffed there. I am going to keep pinging you because I believe you need to take the criticisms people have of you to heart. And since it's clear you haven't, you should be topic-banned from the places (ITN, FA, GA) where you cause the most grief, and you should also be de-sysopped because admins are supposed to be civil and set a good example. pbp 20:02, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
No, you are not going to keep pinging him, because if you do, I will block you from editing for a while. --Floquenbeam (talk) 20:08, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
I am entitled to discuss his behavior. Why shouldn't I ping him when I do? Should I just discuss his behavior with other editors behind his back? I might as well, because he ignores any criticism anybody ever has about him. That's why the ArbCom case against him exists. pbp 20:11, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
That's correct; discuss him without pinging him. If you truly think it is productive discussing him with other editors, I'm not going to try to stop you. I doubt it's productive, and suspect it's more like pack behavior, but that's just my instinct. But repeatedly pinging someone you know does not want to be pinged is passive aggressive pestering. --Floquenbeam (talk) 20:16, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
If there's a pack (or as TRM calls it, a "lynch mob"), it's there for a reason, Floq. The reason is that TRM has succeeded in pissing off a great many people, to the point of it being problematic. You yourself know that his behavior has succeeded in doing that, and you think he should change his behavior. But the problem is that TRM, even during this ArbCom case, brushes it off as if it's no big deal, because he somehow is always right and everybody else is a bunch of trolls. Instead of taking a good look as his behavior, he adamantly refuses to admit that there's any kind of problem, and he ignores, sometimes even deletes comments suggesting he tone it down. pbp 15:00, 19 August 2016 (UTC)

User:JohnPackLambert[edit]

Thought I'd draw your attention to this which I find utterly pathetic. He's done it plenty of times before and clearly lacks a spine. I've undone it but that won't last two minutes. PageantUpdater (talk) 01:55, 1 September 2016 (UTC)

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@Drmies: Where is the scope of this defined? pbp 12:43, 3 September 2016 (UTC)
  • Dude, I just woke up. Surely it's somewhere on one of those 8000 pages. Drmies (talk) 17:45, 3 September 2016 (UTC)
  • Sorry I posted so early. I haven't been sleeping well. pbp 18:04, 3 September 2016 (UTC)
  • I was joking--it's not naptime yet here. Anyway, yeah, I see your point. GorillaWarfare, can you stick that in there somewhere? We discussed it on the list, and the last thing I read was "The scope of this case is disputes involving The Rambling Man after the motion enacted January 26. The Committee will also hear evidence setting those disputes in context, particularly on matters related to ITN and DYK". I don't know if you had anything to add or to edit; if I'm citing from the wrong email thread and this is wrong, feel free to correct me and blame this awful virus that has been bothering me for over a week. Pbp, sleep tight tonight, hopefully after a big fat Alabama win. Drmies (talk) 18:18, 3 September 2016 (UTC)
  • Alabama? ALABAMA? God, if there's one guy I love to hate, it's Nick Saban #FightOn ;-) pbp 18:29, 3 September 2016 (UTC)
  • Oops, sorry about that, I thought the clerks did the scope notices but perhaps not! All set now. GorillaWarfare (talk) 21:04, 3 September 2016 (UTC)
  • Thanks GW. PBP, can't we all get along, without the h8ing? Drmies (talk) 16:53, 6 September 2016 (UTC)

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Ms. Rodham[edit]

Hi. I changed the good faith bibliography page move of Hillary Rodham Clinton back to include "Rodham". Even changing the name to 'Bibliography' may need an RM, but left that as is. Please see the talk page for a 2015 RM about including 'Rodham'. This and the template are the only two pages which include the 'Rodham' in the title. Thanks. Randy Kryn 13:29, 17 September 2016 (UTC)

Adding the "Rodham" was probably a mistake, because since then (I believe earlier in 2016), there was an extensive RfC about including "Rodham" in the title of the parent article. The bibliography should follow the conventions of the parent article, and also the conventions of other bibliographies (i.e. to be called "Bibliography" rather than "List of books") pbp 13:45, 17 September 2016 (UTC)

Hello![edit]

Hello! Dear User:Purplebackpack89! I've created an association which named Association of Wikipedians Who Dislike Clash of Civilizations in Wikipedia. I found you an expert in history and want to know what do you think about the activity . please tell me your significant comments which can be helpful for me. The Stray Dog Talk Page 14:47, 27 September 2016 (UTC)

@TheStrayDog: I would advise you to stop doing that. Oh, and relax about that other guy's suggestion that you should be indeffed...it's unlikely that's in the cards. pbp 18:58, 30 September 2016 (UTC)
Ok, If I have any fault please tell me to fix it, and be patient and helpful to guiding me fixing errors. It will be nice of you. The Stray Dog Talk Page 19:12, 30 September 2016 (UTC)
On the ANI, I'd just promise not to post the invites and most likely everything else will sort itself out without you being adversely affected. pbp 19:15, 30 September 2016 (UTC)
Aha, I got it. Ok, I understood what just you said. I will not do it as of now. Thanks for mentioning my fault to fix it. health and wealth. The Stray Dog Talk Page 19:25, 30 September 2016 (UTC)

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This[edit]

Re: wig, I was hoping you would say something about "independent coverage". ~Awilley (talk) 19:24, 21 October 2016 (UTC)

Sorry my jokes aren't quite up to par. pbp 22:59, 21 October 2016 (UTC)

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New Page Review needs your help[edit]

Hi Purplebackpack89,

As an AfC reviewer you're probably aware that a new user right has been created for patrolling new pages (you might even have been granted the right already, and admins have it automatically).

Since July there has been a very serious backlog at Special:NewPagesFeed of over 14,000 pages, by far the worst since 2011, and we need an all out drive to get this back down to just a few hundred that can be easily maintained in the future. Unlike AfC, these pages are already in mainspace, and the thought of what might be there is quite scary. There are also many good faith article creators who need a simple, gentle push to the Tea House or their pages converted to Draft rather than being deleted.

Although New Page Reviewing can occasionally be somewhat more challenging than AfC, the criteria for obtaining the right are roughly the same. The Page Curation tool is even easier to use than the Helper Script, so it's likely that most AfC reviewers already have more than enough knowledge for the task of New Page Review.

It is hoped that AfC reviewers will apply for this right at WP:PERM and lend a hand. You'll need to have read the page at WP:NPR and the new tutorial.

(Sent to all active AfC reviewers) MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 16:33, 15 November 2016 (UTC)

Reference errors on 17 November[edit]

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DYK nomination of Fiesta Park[edit]

Symbol question.svg Hello! Your submission of Fiesta Park at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Yoninah (talk) 01:03, 18 November 2016 (UTC)

@Yoninah: The USC Trojans were linked before, and now they are referred to as the Trojans, in addition to the Fighting Methodists, the moniker they used when an occupant of Fiesta Park. pbp 01:33, 18 November 2016 (UTC)

Clinton 42 listed at Redirects for discussion[edit]

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Bedminster[edit]

Could you point me to some recent coverage of Trump's transition in which news outlets are referring to Trump National Golf Club (Bedminster, New Jersey) as just "Bedminster" [1]? I didn't come across any in a quick web news search, but that could be due to filter bubble effects. Thanks, Qwfp (talk) 19:59, 21 November 2016 (UTC)

See this. Also, the place I heard that was on the radio, not the internet. pbp 20:25, 21 November 2016 (UTC)
I'd also note that there are many other town disambiguation pages that include golf courses. (Bethpage, Augusta, St. Andrews...)

ArbCom Elections 2016: Voting now open![edit]

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DYK for Fiesta Park[edit]

Updated DYK query.svg On 23 November 2016, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Fiesta Park, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that events at Los Angeles' Fiesta Park included a reception for President William McKinley, the Los Angeles Auto Show, and USC Trojans football games? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Fiesta Park. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Fiesta Park), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:01, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

List of United States Presidential firsts[edit]

I am trying to notify all the editors who have edited this List or posted on its talkpage recently (so that's why you're hearing from me - yay!) I just think this List could do with a bit of improving (especially all the unsourced statements). I went ahead and posted a reminder on its talkpage about sourcing/verifiability/etc. If you could lend a hand that would be great. Thanks, Shearonink (talk) 23:50, 24 November 2016 (UTC)

I think you'll find that most of the facts I've added, I added sources for. I'll add some sources to unsourced statements anyway. pbp 01:30, 25 November 2016 (UTC)
Yeah, I know your edits are fine, was just trying to cast a wide net for any/all interested editors. I was just overwhelmed when I started looking at the mountain of unsourcedness y'know?... I am going to work my way through, one Pres at a time. and if I can't find a source for a claimed first or if the asserted statement seems too trivial - "First President to eat pickles in the White House!" etc. - then in the spirit of WP:BRD, I'll delete the statement. Shearonink (talk) 02:00, 25 November 2016 (UTC)

Re this edit...[edit]

...to List of United States Presidential firsts. I think Jefferson was never actually UVA's "President". He is the university's founder and served as UVA's Rector but never actually served as its president. Can't look it all up now but take a look at List of Presidents of the United States by education#School president. Shearonink (talk) 18:06, 25 November 2016 (UTC)

You may be right, but I'd feel better if somebody found a source before adding it back. pbp 18:13, 25 November 2016 (UTC)
Also, wasn't Garfield a college president before he was US President? Jefferson wasn't Rector of UVA until after he left the Presidency...not sure how that would all be worded though. [2]... the before/after aspect. Shearonink (talk) 18:37, 25 November 2016 (UTC)

Adams 6 listed at Redirects for discussion[edit]

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Nomination of Trumpism for deletion[edit]

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Trumpism is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Trumpism until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. MelanieN (talk) 16:49, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

@MelanieN: As you know, I created this as a redirect, and have voted that it remain one. pbp 21:02, 6 December 2016 (UTC)
Yes, I realized that. This was an automated notification from Twinkle, or I wouldn't have bothered you. Thanks. It is a good and necessary redirect. --MelanieN (talk) 21:05, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

BBC 12-hour Editathon - large influx of new pages & drafts expected[edit]

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WikiCup December newsletter: WikiCup 2017[edit]

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Political positions of Bill Clinton listed at Redirects for discussion[edit]

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Born template[edit]

I noticed that you recently created {{born}} as a redirect to {{Recent birth}}. Given that the original intention (based on old discussions) seems to be analogous to {{circa}} (i.e. put a date-of-birth) would you mind if I took it over for those purposes? Primefac (talk) 19:05, 9 January 2017 (UTC)

@Primefac: Yeah, I guess that's OK pbp 22:28, 9 January 2017 (UTC)