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Again, welcome. Thanks, SqueakBox 16:29, 3 November 2008 (UTC)


Welcome to Wikipedia,

Thanks for the input at Category:Christian denominations. Any ideas or you have are appreciated.--Editor2020 (talk) 19:25, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Your comment on Jimbo's talk page[edit]

I've copied the following comments, which have since been archived, from Jimbo's talk page and unindented them. Florian Blaschke (talk) 18:28, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Is it possible that experts will insist on minor incorrectness such as wording "English is a West-Germanic language" rather than "English is a descendant of" or "English is derived from" or similarly insisting that Futurology be described as "art" or "postulating" (the latter word being very correct yet likely to be obscure in the absence of a modereately advanced study of some related subject, being that postulation may be confused as another word for futurology in practice). The manual of style suggests that an article be directed at the person assumed to have no prior knowledge of the subject. Is this a largely overlooked principle as was once copyright and citation? Where edits are reverted, this principle is rarely acknowledged in my experience, although it is directly in line with Wikimedia principles. ~ R.T.G 15:43, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

There's nothing even remotely incorrect about the wording "English is a West-Germanic language" (even though I would omit the hyphen), just as there is nothing even remotely incorrect about saying "a cat is a mammal" or "Jimbo Wales is a human being". In fact, it would be incorrect to say "English is a descendant of" or "derived from West-Germanic", because, in fact, it is derived from "proto-West-Germanic". Florian Blaschke (talk) 16:25, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
Well Florian, obviously you do not mind confusing the man with the monkey and if you would omit the hyphen or add a proto, I would suggest there is something, perhaps remotely, WRONG. High-level gubberish of some sort really (West-Germanic is a group from which others are derived/evolved/descended... !?). The article is up for Article of the Year on the Norwegian and apparently they would differ with you. ~ R.T.G 20:04, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
Excuse me, but ... an appeal to authority, which you otherwise despise so much? Sorry, I just cannot take you seriously as a discussion partner here. Florian Blaschke (talk) 18:28, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
The lead section of English language consists of two sentences. The first one contains a single and confusing classification. The second is a short list of countries of the world. But they are very long two sentences yes? Well, not really no. ~ R.T.G 04:13, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Reply to comment at Talk:Ulster Scots#Ulster Scots/Ullans disambiguation?[edit]

We have drifted off the topic of Cooke's question, but I would like to respond to your questions in case it helps you contribute to the articles.

Mid Ulster English is not called Ullans. Ullans is a neologism that is closely linked to the name of the magazine of the Ulster Scots Language Society, and is analogous to the Scots word Lallans, which can be loosely translated as Lowland Scots.

People around Derry and Coleraine do indeed sound quite Scottish. (Sounding a bit Scottish is not just a unionist thing: have you ever listened closely to the Deputy First Minister?) However the sources used for this article suggest that Scots actually died out in County Londonderry over 50 years ago, though the accent and many words remain in the way people speak English. You will also find this in East Belfast. This seems to be the conclusions of the researchers, but the language boundaries they draw are not hard and fast, so I would not be surprised if there are varieties in the middle between Mid Ulster English and Ulster Scots.

By the way, Seamus Heaney credits the Scots language heritage of his mid Ulster language for some of his English skills and his affinity with Anglo-Saxon texts like Beowulf.

You are very unlikely to meet people who will speak Ulster Scots to you. I have never heard it face-to-face. James Fenton pointed out in an interview a few years ago that Scots speakers speak it in their own homes, but (unconsciously) switch to a standard Ulster English when speaking with strangers.

If you listen to A Kist O Wurds (BBC Radio) you will find that perhaps 5 to 10 minutes of each 30 minute programme is in Ulster Scots, and if you are lucky, spoken by contemporary speakers from Donegal, Antrim or Down. You (and perhaps the UFF supporters) will be surprised to find that the speech is more than 'a bit Scottish': it doesn't sound very different from the works of Robert Burns, or indeed the contemporary spoken language of rural Ayrshire or Aberdeen.

--Hroðulf (or Hrothulf) (Talk) 21:29, 4 December 2008 (UTC)


Hi, and thanks for the question. In brief, FlaggedRevs is an extension to the software that runs wikipedia and other wikis, which changes the way edits are processed and displayed. So when an editor makes an edit, instead of that edit being visible immediately to all readers, the edit is held in a 'queue' until it is "sighted" by someone that we trust to check that it doesn't contain things like vandalism or libel. So you, as a logged-in user, wouldn't see anything different, because all logged-in users always see the latest revision whether or not it's "sighted". Annonymous readers, however, wouldn't see those edits until they were sighted. All administrators and rollbackers would automatically have the ability to sight revisions, and anyone else can ask for a new user right called "reviewer", which allows them to sight revisions too. The German wikipedia already has over 7,000 reviewers; the expectation is that people like yourself would easily qualify, so you'd get it if you asked for it. I hope this explains further, don't hesitate to ask if you've got any more questions. Happymelon 10:33, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Copyright Problems board[edit]

Hi. Thanks for noting that lingering problem! I have moved your note, though. We don't list tickets directly on the copyright problems page, but on the various subpages that are transcluded to it. Though the tagging is old, it has never before been placed on the "copyright problems" board, so I have moved it to the current listings, here. (The "older listings" section is specifically for items that are transcluded on other days when the rest of the listings for that day are finished. Those tickets are basically listed in two places--their original days and the consolidated section. When they are finished in consolidated, they are erased. We need a permanent record, so it needs to be attached to a specific day.) I'll go ahead and look at the matter now, though, to see what seems appropriate for moving forward, since this one was handled out of process from the beginning. I'll make any notes I have there. :) --Moonriddengirl (talk) 13:09, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Edit warring[edit]

I see that you are edit warring on the English language article. I want to be sure you are familiar with the policy WP:3RR. —teb728 t c 09:59, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Well, the plain reverts were undisputed and the rest is in ongoing amicable discussion. Not that I havent been replying to TEB, but just that I reply for my own little talk page here. ~ R.T.G 18:43, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
You apparently misunderstand: You made these four edits, 1, 2, 3, 4 within a 24 hour period , which violated WP:3RR. (I am not telling you this to criticise but to explain. And since you hadn’t been warned before the last one, it was not a big deal anyway.) —teb728 t c 04:45, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
Well, you are right, within 24 hours I reverted 3 times but it is a common mistake to misrepresent data particular to the republic as Ireland. Although involving myself in a related (Irish naming) dispute, I don't think this particular matter is is disputed (or even debated in lengthy discussion). In fact, if people acknowledged that confusion more often, it may lend weight to describing the republic as the republic. In various lengthy naming discussion, I haven't seen statistical description referred to. If it's worth anything, I still believe that all editors discussing English language and (most part) Irish naming have been on good faith. ~ R.T.G 11:48, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
And I would add that if anyone shows good faith it is TEB728 coming here to point this out ~ R.T.G 11:50, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
Actually you reverted 4 times in 24 hours—3 would not have been a violation. Just to be sure you understand, being right is not one of the exceptions to 3RR, nor is ongoing discussion. —teb728 t c 23:57, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
Conceeded. I like the acceptance of Anglo-Saxon but I still think that English has such default modern notability that the article could be a plug (and/or opposite) with descriptions of phonetics and vocabulary, in the modern sense, but with a "hatnote" for the history article which then allows each branch to particulate as equally notable. FlaggedRevs, if it ever appears, will put a little info line on every article anyway. Wikiversity adds extra info in its pages, for instance, and it's not rare to branch two main areas of interest in the same item. POV forks are not the same as that. I can show you a POV fork example in the articles lac and shellac which one talks of how insects are crushed to make varnish and the other tells of how insect secretion is collected to glaze candy but neither of them say that insects are crushed and it goes on the candy (used by Mars confectionary no less so quite notable), and neither linked to the other although the writing was about the same thing (of course I added a link between a few days ago but still completely misleading POV forking needing rewrites or, preferably, mergers). I cannot imagine an article on bread and yet avoiding or downplaying the mention of wheat. 8) ~ R.T.G 14:16, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

Receivership and Administrative receivership ....[edit]

...the next logical merger step? –xeno (talk) 14:38, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

I would think so. I think the UK one involves a shareholder or other financially interested party initiates it, where the US (and Irish too I beleive) is just a trustee based process ~ R.T.G 14:41, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
It may require an hours work for that one as one is based on US law and the other UK law but so long as nobody in the law project objects, it should be possible enough ~ R.T.G 14:46, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
Well, I'll leave that in your capable hands. Let me know if you need any assistance. As with the receiver (legal) move, I think leaving the histories in place and just redirecting would probably be the best method, rather than a histmerge. –xeno (talk) 14:48, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Ireland naming question[edit]

You are receiving this message because you have previously posted at a Ireland naming related discussion. Per Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Ireland article names#Back-up procedure, a procedure has been developed at Wikipedia:WikiProject Ireland Collaboration, and the project is now taking statements. Before creating or replying to a statement please consider the statement process, the problems and current statements. GnevinAWB (talk) 18:20, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for your thoughts that you wrote on my talk page. I don't like the provision that the results will be for two years without any consideration of what happens after that. It seems that any result will not be too fair to some people yet the following two years could likely be the same result. If there were rotating titles of the better choices (not rotating of all choices), that might be more fair. My initial impression is that some choices are better than others. Thank you again for your thoughtful comments. User F203 (talk) 14:52, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Rotating them is interesting but the arguments over the matter, which is so insignifigant in a way, run into hundreds of pages. It is daft so they are going to say "This is the final debate." Anyone argueing can just go read that. Try looking at the archives of Ireland, Republic of Ireland and some others to see the length of the arguments. These people could be discussing and researching content instead so it's best to have a final decision. At the end of the day, to the best of our knowledge the Irish Republic was envisioned and created by Irish freedom fighters and the date of its origin is a sort of Independence Day for the Irish so it is hard to accept these folk saying "Republic of Ireland is a bad title" and hard even to accept their sincerity at times! ~ R.T.G 17:00, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Don't tweak Steve[edit]

If you can't say something nice, stay off his talk page. You're well into blockable incivility there.

On the Reference Desk, you may want to spend a bit more time looking before you leap on the hard science questions, and I would strongly urge you to minimize your interaction with SteveBaker there as well.

You're both supposed to be responsible adults, there's at least some expectation around here that you'll act the part. If you start poking Steve again, then you will be blocked. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 14:01, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

By the standard he set for me, I might as well have kissed his feet. As you said to him, there was no need for him to attack me. I found what I looked for or didn't. His world didn't stop turning now or we would all be in trouble. ~ R.T.G 19:18, 15 June 2009 (UTC)


You have been accused of sockpuppetry here. Editing while logged out to avoid scrutiny is forbidden, and if you continue you will blocked. — Jake Wartenberg 18:38, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Edit warring at Bhagavata Purana[edit]

Please establish consensus on talk page if you want the disputed content included. Several editors have already pointed out on the talk page why the Bhaktivedanta translation is not a reliable source in general. Also note that the discussion of an individual verse is undue in this article, unless it can be shown that the verse is significant enough to have been highlighted by secondary reliable sources. The burden to establish suitability of sourcing and dueness of content is now on you especially for dubious fringe claims. I would recommend that you look for scholarly sources on the topic, and then discuss them on the talk page. Continued edit-warring will only result in you getting blocked and that is not a productive way to proceed. Cheer. Abecedare (talk) 11:19, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Position statement[edit]

Hi, RTG. I've added templates and formatting to your Position statement as per the agreement on the format they would take on the project page. Please fill in the "nutshell" section. BastunĖġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 18:17, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Guinness and Draft Guinness[edit]

Hi, when making a drastic change to any page, regardless of what change to what page, would you please open a discussion on the talk page even if only for the record. If you would like to write an article about Draught Guinness I suggest you do that after first learning a few things like how to spell the name. ~ R.T.G 09:46, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

O dear. I understand that people can and do make mistakes - I make mistakes myself. No problem. But when people are aggressive and arrogant as well as mistaken that does make it hard to be polite. Anyway - Thanks for your notice. I can see that you don't quite understand why I made the changes I did. The article is about a beer brand called Guinness Draught, though people have been conflating it with the company, the Guinness family, and the brewery. I changed the article to make the distinction clearer between the brand and the company. The brand is identified as Guinness Draught by the company, beer, websites, notable beer writers, industry and other media, while the company that makes the brand is known as Guinness. I can see that somebody else disputes the value of changing the name of the article to Guinness Draught and is requesting a discussion on the matter. That is appropriate, and I will set up a discussion. I have noticed that you have made a crude revert which has undone a variety of edits, including those indisputably done under policy, so I will undo your revert. If there are aspects of any of this that you still are not clear on, please get in touch with me. SilkTork *YES! 10:18, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
Discussion started here. SilkTork *YES! 10:30, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
I drank the stuff for nearly twenty years. "Draught" is a term rather than a brand. It means "Comes out of a beer tap in a pub". The oldest Guinness, and most recognisable for some Irish people is not draught, it comes out of a bottle. I mean no disrespect but you really are not familiar with the origins of "draught" and "Guinness". We have a lot of Irish editors. Guinness, the Irish drink makers, is a brand as familiar as Coca Cola or Budweiser. Think about that. Was it really Draft Guinness Brand all along or was it really Guinness, comes in draught (out of beer tap) which they talk about a lot? ~ R.T.G 18:20, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

The references I supplied above support the brand being called Guinness Draught. They show that the brand is called by that name in keg, bottle and can. Nitrogen is used to create that foamy head. When in the can and bottle a small device releases nitrogen when the container is opened. This device is called a "widget", and was invented by Guinness. Guinness call the brand Guinness Draught to emphasise the use of the nitrogen which gives the beer the same quality regardless of how it served - it is the same when served from the can as it is when served from a keg in the pub. It looks like you think I wanted to talk about draught Guinness - that is, Guinness served in a pub from a keg; and it looks like you feel that "draught" should be spelled as "draft". Draft is an American spelling, and the Wikipedia guidance WP:ENGVAR would indicate that such spellings should not be used in the Guinness article - for example, the article uses "colour" rather than "color". I hope I have now clarified the situation, but if not, please let me know and I'll explain a bit further. SilkTork *YES! 21:00, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

When I click that link to the Guinness website I get a splash page asking me to verify my age. The largest thing on the page is the Guinness logo. The word Draught does not appear on the page. The word draught in the beer context is relatively new to things Guinness. One of the logos features is the date "ESTD1759". There was no draught beer for a hundred years after the name of this brand was settled. And. You spell a thing how it is spelled. Not nessecarily how the Americans spell it. Those guidelines are largely to cover use of words such as specialised and specialized. The name Guinness Draught is no doubt trademarked letter for letter. Changing the spelling is unnessecary, incorrect and therefor misleading. If you wish you should make Guinness Draft redirect to the appropriate place. ~ R.T.G 14:04, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2009-09-06/Guinness[edit]

Hi RTG. I have filed a mediation case for us to discuss the Guinness article. The aim of the case is to allow progress to be made on the Guinness article. The mediation process is entirely informal and voluntary, and there is no suggestion of any blame being placed on anyone, or of anyone being told off. I admit I responded poorly to your message, and I allowed myself to be rude to you. I apologise for that. I would like to get to the source of your discomfort with the work I have done on the Guinness article, and to get on with progressing the article. I'm not sure when the mediation will start - sometimes it can take a while. I'll keep you informed. SilkTork *YES! 12:41, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

From your Guinness Draft link above I think I can see what's happened. I moved Guinness to Guinness Draft rather than Guinness Draught. That was my mistake. The intention was to move it to Guinness Draught - there is no product with the name "Guinness Draft". I think you'll note that in all other places I have used the phrase "Guinness Draught" (well, I hope that's what I've done!). So you were right - I do need to learn how to spell! SilkTork *YES! 12:49, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
Mediation has started. SilkTork *YES! 06:54, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Precision thing[edit]

Wikipedia:Naming conventions (precision), a.k.a. Wikipedia:Naming_conventions#Be_precise_when_necessary. --Francis Schonken (talk) 05:04, 17 September 2009 (UTC)


OK, I'll bite. Where are you from? --HighKing (talk) 19:24, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

I will tell you but if those making the dispute are to carry out a survey it needs to be better than "Are you a Prod?" because that is the same as "Slap!" in some books, I can tell you.
My earliest years were in Belfast and after that deep down south for most of my life. That makes me from Ireland so I guess my reasons for interest are irrelevant but I will say, I have no special preference for Protestant or Catholic although I am Christian and I have good reason to be sympathetic for Unionists and/or Nationalists excepting for any particular person I choose not to. I would unite Ireland but not by dropping the border, shaking hands has been working a lot better for some time now and what else would they do? That is uniting it in my view. Re-defining a seperate Ireland today is just dividing it again. ~ R.T.G 19:57, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
Don't forget some may say they are British but and not Irish when their ancient history is in Ireland and even gaelic from north and Scotland. Those are equally important opinions (even though more cynical non-Irish er Irelanders will prefer your voting preference, tis what tis) Also some has close ties to Ireland, ther family, their life or even their culture may be closely in it for some from America and Africa. ~ R.T.G 20:05, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
Well you appear to take a healthy view and have a tolerant attitude, recognising that people's beliefs form a greater part of their identity than the place on Earth where they were born. --HighKing (talk) 22:50, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
RTE show these little villages in South America sometimes and there they are 3rd or 4th generation half Irish sounding talking Spanglish or something. They probably give us all a fairly good reference and know less about the border than they do about St Patricks Day or something. Look at Nigeria. they are more Irish than we are! It is difficult for me to close us into a box especially when I would only have half a ticket myself. If they want to call England Ireland tomorrow, away you go. Just be happy, AND. dont say this is not Ireland because it is. How many Britains are there? Britain, Brittany, Bretange, ... there is a few and it is a Gaelic name too. ~ R.T.G 12:47, 26 September 2009 (UTC)


Thanks for the comment. Is the new version clearer? Tim Vickers (talk) 17:10, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

Yes, I had to check why you removed the word thermodynamic and it makes more sense active and inactive. I did have to look up the properties of enzymes but I understood it all insofar as basics this time. Very good Tim many thanks ~ R.T.G 17:29, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
Great. You can think of enzymes as joining two processes together, so that one drives the other. Like a rope and pulley joining a large falling weight to a smaller weight, so the smaller weight is lifted up. The spontaneous process releases the energy that the enzyme uses to make the desirable process happen. On a large scale metabolism breaks down food to release energy, so that it can use this energy to build the molecules that make up your body. Tim Vickers (talk) 17:40, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

Wikimedia Ireland[edit]

I replied to your post over at m:Talk:Wikimedia Ireland. It's feel it's a pity there's wasn't more bits back to the idea - but then again has there ever even been an Irish meet up? --rannṗáirtí anaiṫnid (coṁrá) 02:00, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

x2 back there. --rannṗáirtí anaiṫnid (coṁrá) 22:14, 8 November 2009 (UTC)


I find your claim that holding a worldview contrary to republican-socialism is racist, gravely racist aganst the conservo-monarchial race. Aside from an admin telling you not to make frankly, strange and unusual personal attacks just yesterday, you seem to have a very.. lets just say, eccentric concept of what words mean. Apparently judging from your other, special encounters with editors last night, your confusion extends to the terms "ethnic" and "nationalism" too. I can only suggest that you invest in a Thesaurus before rudely butting into private conversations which do not concern you, making odd personal comments on editors. - Yorkshirian (talk) 15:04, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

Of course you are not racist and agressive. Why, even your great great grand-ancestry was Irish and you are just telling the Republicans on Wikipedia what they are and what their ancestors are to put them stright and in their place. Of course you have looked into my involvement with admin Rodhullandemu and found him to be both accurate and upholding of our Wikipedian standards. Next time you want to come around to some little Irish girls talk page and telling her what muck savages her ancestors were and how useless her countrymens contributions to Wikipedia have been, I should just give you a little barnstar of appreciation on your talkpage. How would you like that? ~ R.T.G 15:34, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
You claimed that admin Rodhullandemu is a "racist" too. I suggest you refrain from making such unusual comments in the area. Not that it is any of your business (recurring theme here?) but one of my parents is Irish and one is Italian. Not great-great-great-fathers-cousins-uncles-sisters-brother. Hence my interest in sometimes edit in these areas. So far as I'm aware those groups are part of the "caucasian race". Also your framing is to say the least fanciful, my comment was that while she claims there is some sort of "Anglo-American Imperial" conspiracy against a poor "opressed" Ireland on Wikipedia, republicans themselves here never build articles which present the actual Irish civilisation which existed. Its left mostly to people living in Britain and the USA to do so (I've had to create the Irish saints article, make numerous coats of arms for Irish royal families, maps for old Gaelic kingdoms, etc). - Yorkshirian (talk) 15:50, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
Look, the time has come and passed for you to make descrediting assertions about Irish Republican Wikipedians, a whole ethnic group of a country. I don't care what Sarah777 said at the moment. You will not be continuing to post remarks which appear only to attack Republicans, or other ethnicities. You understand the reasons for this. That is the end of it. Just as when you claim I could be quoted as branding Rodhullandemu, you are making accusations up and now I have had too long in these talk pages for a few days. I outlined your mistakes on your talkpage before you ever posted here. I have explained your mistakes in detail on two occassions. I make only minor edits to this wiki and voice a few concerns about accuracy on articles. If you need further help, take up that mentorship offer. If you continue to explain your disdain for Irish here, I will ask for help. ~ R.T.G 16:24, 14 November 2009 (UTC)


The "not very good at reading" comment was not particularly civil, and has little hope of de-escalating a conflict. Would you please consider refactoring? Thanks, --Elonka 18:43, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

Your UAA Report[edit]

I have declined your report at UAA as a non-violation of the username policy. Since the discussion of this is already at ANI, please keep it centralized there. TNXMan 03:24, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

"Anglo-American Imperial conspiracy"?[edit]

Hi RTG, User:Yorkshirian reckons here that this & this was "pointing out that there isn't actually an "Anglo-American Imperial conspiracy" on Wikipedia". Is that what you thought it was? Cheers, Daicaregos (talk) 22:21, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Fairyhouse racecourse[edit]

Symbol question.svg Hello! Your submission of Fairyhouse racecourse at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Calmer Waters 22:36, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Fairyhouse Racecourse[edit]

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Materialscientist (talk) 17:56, 5 December 2009 (UTC)


No Gabbe you shouldn't have warned me at all. I did not wander off topic. I have a serious concern about the bias jockeying on that article. If you are lawyering abstractly you may be gaming the system to protect your own set of values or those that you seek to identify with. All questionable entries are open to discussion. You seem not to have read that or the gudeline on general forum discussion which you have suggested to me. Was it really nessecary for me to pursue you and tell you that your idea of wrong was actually wrong? ~ R.T.G 00:10, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

It certainly wasn't my intention to appear hostile, and if I've offended you I do apologise. My concern is that your talk page edits are very difficult for me to comprehend. This edit, for example, doesn't appear to be about what Veganism should say about honey-consumers who consider themselves vegan. Gabbe (talk) 08:08, 8 December 2009 (UTC)


Hi there, RTG. I apologize for being dense, but your recent comments at Talk:Veganism leave me completely confused. This is probably partially due to my own communication difficulties, but judging by others' responses I think it may be also due to other factors. If you communicate differently it may be helpful to disclose this so other editors will be more understanding. If this is not the case, I would suggest rereading your comments before submission to ensure they can be easily understood by others. I apologize if this unsolicited advice is overly presumptuous; I only give it because I am interested in your views. -kotra (talk) 18:45, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

Maybe I do. Can you diagnose this sort of thing? You aren't allowed to give medical advice on Wikipedia you know. What would you suggest I do? Are you a doctor? Help!! My mind is losing me!!!~ R.T.G 21:56, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
I am not a doctor, nor would I feel comfortable giving medical advice I'm afraid. If you truly think you need help, I would seek a professional in person. -kotra (talk) 22:01, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
Depends what sort of help I was looking for ~ R.T.G 22:55, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

December 2009[edit]

Nuvola apps important.svg You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Talk:Affirmative action. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24-hour period. Additionally, users who perform several reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. When in dispute with another editor you should first try to discuss controversial changes to work towards wording and content that gains a consensus among editors. Should that prove unsuccessful, you are encouraged to seek dispute resolution, and in some cases it may be appropriate to request page protection. Please stop the disruption, otherwise you may be blocked from editing. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 04:54, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

You can revert as many times as you'd like, but if you're caught reverting more than 3 times in a 24-hour period you'll be blocked. Please see WP:3RR and WP:DE. Thank you. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 05:09, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
Reverting vandalism doesn't count toward the 3RR rule, but I don't see an exception for "obvious disruption". In fact, I think your edit-warring is "obvious disruption", regardless of the merits of your argument. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 06:07, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

Hi, RTG. Note that, as mentioned in the warning above, you may be blocked for edit warring even if you do not technically violate the three-revert rule. Please stop edit warring on Positive action (disambiguation). -- JHunterJ (talk) 13:03, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Persons Unknown[edit]

Hi RTG. Just a friendly word of advice. You said on the Wikipedia:Village pump (policy) page that you "intend in future to remove whole comments, indescriminately, which place a strong weight on accusing persons unknown". Removing whole comments from any talk page for any reason is considered a serious no-no on Wikipedia. If you start doing anything like that you'll find yourself blocked very quickly. It won't be me, I'm just here to give you a heads-up. Scolaire (talk) 21:07, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

Removing disruptive comments is a yes yes. That is all I am talking about, the recurring spats of "This group, that group". There is room to remove them already but with a specific guideline for this particular little niche it would reduce any drama and leave the offending editors thinking "Maybe if I rephrase that without the..." Currently editors seem to go away thinking they just didn't convince us of X Secret Societys bad nature. If we can convince them that X Secret Society hasn't revealed itself yet... they might consider collaborating just that little bit more optional to begin rather than tipping all the cards over. I would feel much more comfortable correcting such comments if it was clear how and why they were wrong rather than relying on WP:Personal attacks etc. which don't detail this disruption although it is a recurring theme. Half the pages at ARBCOM are filled with it. Be specific or be not because it was of no use... ~ R.T.G 21:21, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
Specifically, the Wikipepedia Talk page guideline says, "The basic rule -- with some specific exceptions outlined below -- is, that you should not strike out or delete the comments of other editors without their permission." No Personal attacks says, "removal should typically be limited to clear-cut cases where it is obvious the text is a true personal attack." Accusing "persons unknown" is, by definition, not a personal attack. Again, if you think I'm wrong, don't even bother to reply, just go ahead and do it. My intention was not to oppose you, just to make sure you are aware that other people (including admins) may not see things the same way as you. Scolaire (talk) 08:16, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
It goes along with what I am saying Scolaire, an attack on a group of unspecified people is always offensive to someone in the same way as a personal attack and it is well over 90% of instances in the racial, ethnic or political boundary. It's a convenient way of outing people who are contributing neutrally, attacking with lesser reprecusions or disrupting people who were able to contribute neutrally, nobody needs to cope with that in real life and it is sad when people must. Shout about the cabals and you won't get the same treatment as personally insulting an editor but don't you get a little twinge when people rant about nationalists and unionists or whichever ideal you care most for? Isn't it as personal as you can get anyway? It drives people crazy just as much as effing, blinding or personal derogotising. I decided to delete such a comment if I found one in future (because I see lot's since a few weeks), and there is minor scope in the guidelines to do that, but in that I really think that it should be covered in the guidelines as serious because it is the only thing left to get out of hand today in disputes. It couldn't be the wrong way to go and must be possible to note simply and clearly without even changing accepted policies. Why would I not reply to you? Ha! ~ R.T.G 08:39, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
When a learned bigot stigmatises a group - he educates his disciples. That is how that game has always worked. One may stigmatise a group rightfully using example, that is like a legal procedure, but when attaching stigma to persons unknown the game has changed and into something more serious. It is rare that group stigma can be wholly acceptable, if at all. Bad groups set their best examples as individuals or small pairings. ~ R.T.G 08:51, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

Articles for deletion nomination of List of freeware[edit]

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Phoenix Games[edit]

Hi RTG, this is in response to your revert on this article. Sorry I wasn't more specific in my edit comment. Allow me to elaborate. The most relevant section of WP:EL is WP:YOUTUBE, for Youtube that is the source of the embedded video in the external site. The concerns here are with copyright infringement, linking to rich media formats, and the reliability of user-submitted content. Secondly, "It Works Like This" is a blog; a self-published source that is "normally to be avoided" (WP:ELNO #8). In light of this, may I remove the link again? Marasmusine (talk) 21:25, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

I agree with you on the copyright issue it's definitely not provided by the owners. The Youtube section is actually one of the smallest on the page and tells us that there is no blanket ban on Youtube and the concern should be the particular video. The entry on WP:ELNO is debatable. You can't play a dvd on your computer or view the internet without a plug-in as part of Microsofts legal issues were with providing those things. They made it illegal to provide an operating system which does everything without plug-ins because that kills all competition. ~ R.T.G 22:01, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
I made a typo. I meant #11, not #8. Marasmusine (talk) 08:13, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
"It Works Like This" doesn't really tick the boxes for Wikipedia, I just reverted because I wanted to know was the summary "copyvio" or even "blog" whatever you thought it was because the guideline is a long page. By the time you typed " per WP:EL." you'd typed way more than "copyvio". I hope it makes sense. It's worse when someone often leaves no summary and removes a lot of good faith edits. I removed it again now. ~ R.T.G 17:28, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

MfD nomination of Wikipedia:WikiProject Ireland Naming Debate[edit]

Wikipedia:WikiProject Ireland Naming Debate, a page you substantially contributed to, has been nominated for deletion. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:WikiProject Ireland Naming Debate and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes (~~~~). You are free to edit the content of Wikipedia:WikiProject Ireland Naming Debate during the discussion but should not remove the miscellany for deletion template from the top of the page; such a removal will not end the deletion discussion. Thank you. SarekOfVulcan (talk) 23:27, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

Addition headings[edit]

Sorry about that. I didn't mean any harm. I thought it was a separate question. -- RA (talk) 14:00, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

Well the question of the flag used in the template was raised. I didn't appreciate that someone might say "That's a bad idea" and move it somewhere else which is much like binning. If someone did that while being impartial or saying "That's a good idea let's get a broader opinion of it" but as was I didn't even think of that and took some offense... I altered someones talk post myself once to highlight words I thought were misleading on the same page and got away with it but usually I see folk getting upset about it if their posts are altered. I think I corrected a wording once as well for readability on an ARBCOM page. ~ R.T.G 14:08, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

Filing a Request for Clarification[edit]

Hey there, I've properly formatted your recent request. When asking for clarification on a previous case, the name of the case is used as the section title. Thanks, ~ Amory (utc) 23:45, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

Yeah well you shouldn't have because you named it the wrong thing. Don't get me going please. ~ R.T.G 11:52, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
Hint: badmouthing ArbCom clerks is not the way to make your case to ArbCom. --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 16:57, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
Yeah thanks for the analysis. I really appreciate that. ~ R.T.G 23:12, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
My alteration was to bring it inline with the process for requesting arbitration. By definition, a Request for Amendment must be about a previous case, and they are named as such. The instructions for doing so were clearly linked to from the request page, so while it's really not a big deal please do keep it in mind. Thank you, ~ Amory (utc) 01:10, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
You put it into a diffrent request. There are three requests of which I made one. I could have added my request to the other thread if it was about naming Ireland articles. When you changed the title it actually made my request difficult to understand. 31hrs? 2 reverts to the content of my own post? I appear to have upset somebodys integrity. Oh well I am sure I will grow out of it in so many hours time. You think I should be blocked. You think I am incorrect to maintain the nature of own post or that is up to others without discussion? It's a bit weird for me. ~ R.T.G 01:20, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
You know, I have spent many hours myself looking at Arbcom cases. I understand to some degree, I believe, the work and patience involved in making a committed contribution to the whole thing. It is beyond me I am sure. I was unimpressed that the title of my request had been altered to something else, regardless of the intention. If I was condescending, that be the source of it. I do not begrudge you any mistakes you may make. I respect the bureaucracy of Wikipedia with awe at times. I see no reason in that not to communicate with you, discontented or otherwise. I cannot be sure of the bee in our trekkie freinds bonnet but I am quite sure that that would be it. "Badmouthing" you? I don't think so. Condescending perhaps. Expressive of discontent? Purposefully so. I stressed it. I wouldn't pursue you around accusing you of things you hadn't done or punishing you for things that you are welcome to do. I would inform you if I thought you had made a mistake. Oh well. ~ R.T.G 02:30, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

Requests for clarification are intended to be for clarification of a previous ArbCom case and according to common practice are named "Request for clarification: [case name]". What previous ArbCom case is your request for clarification about, if not "Ireland article names"? Paul August 13:55, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

Well my request didn't make sense after being altered to say it was a request for clarification about naming Ireland articles because that is not what it was. I think I should just remove it (but hey I will probably get a two year ban if I dare to do that). The request is about Arbcom instructions. It was worded correctly. I do not see why it could not be linked to the Ireland naming case without removing the wording of my request. Except for "We don't do it like that" can you see any reason why not to link to the case but also leave the correct wording in place? Interfering with talk page words is often a starting point for aggro. In fact I am asking you to do that, word my request and also leave your link to the case there just to show that it could be done.... ~ R.T.G 14:05, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

February 2010[edit]

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What sort of nonesense was this? The clerks alter a request of mine incorrectly and I changed it back. Were they supposed to decide what I was trying to request? Am I not wqualified to decide what I am requesting or not? After one revert and one alteration to my own post, you have certainly made yourself clear but I will obviously still decide my own words for myself. It's probably your little joke (31 hrs?) Well I hope my response keeps you entertained for many long cold hours. ~ R.T.G 01:07, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
I will just add the obvious, you have abused your tool. A true Vulcan maintains his composure beyond reproach for at least seven years at a time. Prosper and live long you Ferengi. ~ R.T.G 02:35, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
This is not the first time, IMO, that Sarek has done so. A similar situation happened between when Sarek blocked me last week. Good luck if you choose to appeal the block. --SkagitRiverQueen (talk) 15:51, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
I'm really not in the mood for this today. User:SarekOfVulcan/Recall criteria. Have fun. --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 16:03, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

Re Yorkshirian/Sinn Fein[edit]

I don't see much in Yorkshirian's post to get upset about, although he could perhaps have phrased his question better as I agree that it could, especially on a controversial subject, come across as trolling. Your responses obviously assumed this and were unfortunately less than civil. As I've mentioned elsewhere, when I see editors complaining about Yorkshirian while behaving at least as badly, I generally find it easier to give everyone the benefit of AGF rather than unfairly sanctioning one 'side' and not the other :) EyeSerenetalk 15:55, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for your response. I'd like to address a couple of points if I may?
Firstly, I'm not Yorkshirian's mentor, either formally or informally, and certainly not his protector. I unblocked him when he agreed to abide by some restrictions (some permanent, some temporary); that's it. I have been approached by editors regarding his editing a few times since then, but I've generally found that the faults don't lie exclusively with Yorkshirian. He will often respond to something inappropriately, setting himself up by manufacturing ammunition that others will then use against him. Trouble is, the things he responds to are often inappropriate themselves (or he's misunderstood them), so I can't in all fairness lay the blame entirely on him. As I said above, I understand why his question on Sinn Féin could be seen as trolling and his phraseology seems to contain implied assumptions about Sinn Fein, hypocrisy, and the Spanish and Basque peoples. However, a polite, concise response or request for clarification would have cost you nothing and would have helped you retain the moral high ground if indeed he is being tendentious. You could even have taken the post to his talk page if you wanted it off the article.
Secondly, I'm having some difficulty understanding the Hitler-vegans-concentration camps analogy you used, so apologies if I've got it wrong. However, I gather that you aren't happy with my response; I can only advise that I've explained my reading of the situation and you should pursue it an another venue, such as WP:ANI, if you think I'm acting inappropriately or you want other admins to look at Yorkshirian's editing. EyeSerenetalk 17:57, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
Again I'm finding some of your post obscure, sorry. I really can't tell if you think I'm bigoted, nationalist, anti-nationalist or whatever. That doesn't matter though; what I'm trying for my part to make clear is that although Yorkshirian is sometimes the cause of problems and sometimes the target, because there are often wider issues with the way other editors have acted or reacted, if I was going to apply sanctions I'd have to sanction all sides. This would be potentially unfair and open to gaming; if Yorkshirian gets blocked again it's very unlikely he'd be allowed back. I'm not in any way suggesting that you would consider this, but I suspect there may be some editors that he's upset in the past who might be willing to accept a short block if it meant Yorkshirian's indefblock. I suppose this is the reason you believe I'm cutting him too much slack, although one reason we allow editors a final chance is to see what they do with the rope they're given. Some just go ahead and hang themselves, some walk away from the gallows a reformed person, and some (like Yorkshirian) seem to constantly teeter on the edge. If he's exhausted community patience he should be reblocked, but personally unless it's something egregious I'd like to see a discussion at WP:AN before doing so. However, you're quite right that I haven't spoken to him about the appropriateness of his edit on the Sinn Fein talk page; I'll do so now. EyeSerenetalk 21:48, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

Request for clarification: Ireland article names[edit]

Given Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Clarification#Request for clarification: Ireland article names why not withdraw Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Clarification#Request for clarification: Ireland article names (2) and save everyone some time? -- PBS (talk) 01:53, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

My request has nothing directly to do with the poll on Ireland article names. Do you have a prior engagement from which I am keeping you? ~ R.T.G 04:09, 5 March 2010 (UTC)
The ArbCom members who have replied to your request seem to be as baffled as I am to what you are asking them to decide upon. Perhaps if you want them to do something you should add a short paragraph (not more than two or three sentences) stating exactly what it is that you want them to do. -- PBS (talk) 09:44, 5 March 2010 (UTC)
You don't understand what a single transferable vote is either Phil, do you? I will tell you. When you have more than 2 candidates, you may have a divided opinion of support for two or more candidates while at the same time having negative support for another. The single transferable vote, in a sense, allows the voter to express their negative vote as well as their positive vote. It is usually considered the most fair way to vote, given that respect, and it is always more interesting giving a broader idea of public opinion for each candidate rather than only expressing each voters no1 best choice. It prevents the idea that you can only express that which you are happy with, which isn't always a representative characteristic in democarcy. Do people concerned with voting not express negative opinions? Of course they do and their voting is able to reflect that, and of course their mediocre support, by grading their preferences rather then just counting the number one the would pick. It is the ultimate opinion poll rather than the simple majority rule chore which is not the definition of democracy, although it is basically another majority rule concept. The article Single transferable vote may explain it a little differently, waffling on about "wasted votes" and such but, for the layman, it is about putting your least-preferred last as well as your most preferred first. From your simple question about the vote on the collaboration project, you can see how long and meandering the debate can be. If you think that User:HighKing is the only editor prepared to enter that debate when naming is reopened for discussion in 2011, think again. I am suggesting that impossibly long debate such as that should be moved to a project space where no other subject is on the agenda, thus preventing any drowning of a talk page. Further, I am asking the Arbitration Committee, when presented a long content dispute like the Ireland naming debate, to invite a body of evidence in the form of an article rather than a series of signed statements. Signed statements are important but a body of evidence outside that should make for easier input from impartial editors and it should make the best point of reference for any dispute. As a collaborative effort, it would often set in stone just what is universally agreed upon before examining the various signed statements. If you do not understand a single word, is there any point in suggesting that I should do things? I think not... ~ R.T.G 14:25, 5 March 2010 (UTC)
"Signed statements are important but a body of evidence outside that should make for easier input from impartial editors and it should make the best point of reference for any dispute." You set up a page like this at one point, didn't you? While I can appreciate the thinking behind it, I don't really see the difference between that and what actually ocurred. Remember at one point, early on in the discussion, editors were asked to make brief points, and others to register agreement or disagreement with those points? We still had editors "disagreeing" with demonstrable facts because the facts didn't support their PoV. Moving such material to another page would result in the same, would it not? BastunĖġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 17:22, 5 March 2010 (UTC)
Yes and at that brief point, Bastun, the findings should have been recorded much the same way as an article is, to provide a point of reference. A debate which produces nothing has a lower value than one which produces something and Wikipedia is all about the reference value. No reason not to reflect that in a disputed content investigation because that is what those disputes are, investigations and evaluations. If they are swamped without an index of reference you are left with an effective secrecy to all who have not become expert in whatever has been going on. I wouldn't support the idea if only one editor got involved, even if it was a supposedly impartial editor. ~ R.T.G 20:20, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

talking point[edit]

G'day RTG - I keep meaning to drop you a note about some of the broo ha ha related to the wikiversity ethics project, but I haven't really had the chance. I'm glad to say however that there's something else I thought you might be interested in which is less controversial, and might be more fun :-) - if you're interested generally in talking through some opinions, ideas, issues etc. etc. but not necessarily directly related to an encyclopedia article, head over to Wikiversity:Talking point and give it a look :-) I'm hoping you might be able to help make it a going concern? cheers, Privatemusings (talk) 02:36, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

Yeah that must be an essential part of learning social and political issues but I don't know if I will be able to edit those pages too much longer anyway. ~ R.T.G 08:42, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

AWB edit to Ipswich Town F.C. Player of the Year[edit]

Hi RTG. In this edit you moved two notes so that they came after or between references. I have undone this as I wanted all the notes first, then the references. Can you say why AWB would do this? Cheers. The Rambling Man (talk) 13:19, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

No I have no idea who makes AWB. The list of spell checking is on Wikipedia but it puts templates in order and interwiki links and See also and References etc. I think they agree all that stuff on WP:MOS or related pages and whoever makes AWB just copies that (I hope that's what they do) ~ R.T.G 13:22, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
I would have hoped you understood what and why AWB did before you used it, that's all. The Rambling Man (talk) 13:40, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
No I just assumed it was putting them in some sort of alphbetical order or something. If I stopped it doing that I'd have to stop it spellchecking and a load of other stuff. You should get on to them on WP:AWB ~ R.T.G 13:45, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

List of documentary films[edit]

hey man, whats with the strange edit on the above list; I understand you used a BOT to make this edit but I think you should understand why the "[[]]" are there in the first place before removing them. Tables can be quite confusing to new editors here. I have left them in to make it easier for people to quickly edit the page and add a producer/reference. This list hardly gets touched by anyone and there have been quite a few IP edits over the last year.--intraining Jack In 13:50, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

I think until you are fully aware of what AWB is doing, you should refrain from using it. Cheers. The Rambling Man (talk) 13:53, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
Those were not blank entries |''[[Chronique d'un été|Chronicle of a Summer]]''||[[1960 in film|1960]]||[[Edgar Morin]]||[[]]|| . I have seen lists with blank entries. ~ R.T.G 13:56, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
Here is a page with blank entries 2009 Polish Figure Skating Championships. I don't know what you were doing. I know what AWB was doing. Why not order the refs the way the machine is programmed..? ~ R.T.G 14:01, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
Note:I made several hundred edits with AWB today. You try me to make 100 edits on pages I never saw before and get only 2 people saying I didn't know what I was doing. ~ R.T.G 14:11, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
It doesn't really matter how many pages you edit per day. If you don't actually know what AWB is doing, you shouldn't really be using it. The Rambling Man (talk) 14:12, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
The guy said it is a bug and he will be fixing it in the next release. It is rare people use those tags. It really does do a lot of stuff with tags that you wouldn't have time to check perfectly but I can watch out for this one the next time. ~ R.T.G 14:25, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
Okay, thanks for following it up. The Rambling Man (talk) 14:27, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
No worries ~ R.T.G 14:28, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
Indeed thanks for following this up, any chance you would like to help out with this list. Finding realiable sources and adding producers/references can be quite a tedious and time consuming task, if you have time to pop-in from time to time it would be much appreciated.--intraining Jack In 14:36, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

Wikimedia Ireland[edit]


A while back you posted a comment at Wikimedia Ireland. Well, it took a year (almost to the day) but ten editors have expressed an interest in starting a Wikimedia chapter in Ireland, which meets the criteria for a "critical mass". If you're interested, I'd would be great if we could kick off discussion. Maybe, a first step might be to introduce ourselves (anonymously) at the chapter talk page with some ideas about what a chapter could do or a sketch of your interest in founding one ... or even just say restate an interest and say 'hello' :-)

You may also be interested in joining the Wikimedia Ireland mailing list, if you are not already on it. --RA (talk) 20:11, 20 July 2010 (UTC)


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I just noticed your user page and thought I should comment as one who was there near the beginning. At first we didn't have disambiguations at all. All senses of a word and even dictionary material were all on one page. Different definitions were separated by a solid line.

Like that. After they fixed things like CamelCase names, slowly widely different meanings were moved to separate pages while, for instance, all Black Rivers stayed on one page because they were all rivers. Eventually a very detailed disambiguation scheme was developed and all subjects were deemed eligible for their own separate pages. But problems still arose: see [1] where the two pages ended up at Piet Pieterszoon Hein and Piet Hein (Denmark)? Rmhermen (talk) 15:11, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

The word "penetrates"[edit]

Good evening, RTG. I saw your edit here, and have been wondering why you consider using the word in that sentence immature? You haven't been reverted on it, but "penetrates" is okay to use when talking about sexual acts. It's in a lot of the sources (as "penetration") and there are times when we need to say "vaginal penetration," "anal penetration," etc. JacobTrue (talk) 20:12, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

Hello. Enters is, in most cases we might hope, more accurate. Penetration is what a marauder does. Entering is what a guest does. Can you tell me it's the wrong choice without telling me what you are *more used to finding*? Entering is so vastly familiar also, that comparing the two in that way is all but irrelevant. You feel you *need* to say "vaginal/anal penetration" sometimes, but can you explain one case where nothing else is sufficient? Can you reason that the first description we make be of the marauder rather than the guest? I say a lot here for one word but every word has a meaning and, the more artful word is not always the more suitable, while it is almost always more attractive without evaluation. Unless you reason that "enters" be unfamiliar because "penetrates" is familiar (which is an arguement that doesn't make good sense), "enters" is not only the concise choice, but also the accurate one. Penetration has a further meaning which is to push beyond a barrier. Enters just means enters and that is what we are trying to describe where I changed the wording. The entrance to a tunnel rather than the breaking of a barrier. ~ R.T.G 15:41, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
I didn't say that "enter" is incorrect or less familiar. I'm just saying that "penetrates" is not immature, and it is also just as correct/accurate as "enters." That is the reason it is so commonly used in reliable sources about sexual acts. Not to mention, you can't actually say "vaginal entering/entrance" or "anal entering/entrance" and not have it sound silly in comparison to saying "vaginal penetration" or "anal penetration." For example, we have an article called Sexual penetration. Not Sexual entering or Sexual entrance. So as to your question about sometimes needing to say "vaginal/anal penetration," I'd say yes. How else are we to say it without adding awkward or unneeded words, such as "Most women say that entering the vagina does not cause orgasm"? Or "Most women say that vaginal entrance does not cause orgasm." Not only could "entering/entrance" mean anything in those sentences, such as just entering and not moving, or just the entrance itself in the second example, it doesn't flow right. We could qualify "entrance" with "the penis entering the vagina." But that, too, may also only imply "entering but not moving." And, again, why the unneeded words? Saying "Most women say that vaginal penetration does not cause orgasm" is usually understood to mean sexual intercourse/penetration by the penis, which also signals "actually moving." Although it would be ideal to say "vaginal intercourse" in any of the above examples.
I just don't think that people are goig to analyze "penetrates" vs "enters" in the way that you have upon seeing the terms in a sexual article. Like I said, using "penetrates" is pretty commonplace. JacobTrue (talk) 18:55, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

Mass moves[edit]

Would you mind stopping your mass, undiscussed moves until they can be discussed? I have a feeling lots of people disagree with you and it's very annoying to undo moves. --Golbez (talk) 16:26, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

Also... "Of suggests they are now, or have been, somewhere else, right? So wrong then." Are you implying that the United States of America are, or were formerly, somewhere else? --Golbez (talk) 16:27, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
That's a given name. America is not the name of the country. A name comes from a thing. The US came from America. The states themseles as individual entities are in America, not from it. Any other examples? ~ R.T.G 16:45, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
"Of" springs forth, which is what the states do from America as a untied entity. The counties of Ireland for example do not outstretch Ireland. ~ R.T.G 16:48, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
I don't know where you got this definition of "of" from but it's not one I've ever heard. I've always heard of the counties OF Iowa, the provinces OF Canada. Provinces "in" Canada comparatively sounds very strange, like they aren't the provinces that make up Canada, they're just provinces that happen to be sitting in Canada. --Golbez (talk) 16:55, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
It's not what you are used to hearing but you say it yourself, they are provinces *in* Canada. Of is used in title like Lawrence of Arabia or United States of America. If it's not your title you are just plain old from or in. ~ R.T.G 17:10, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
When you use *of* I cannot tell if you are from or in. It's a matter of description versus aesthetics. Description should always be the foremost conern in such matter here on Wikipedia. ~ R.T.G 17:13, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
But they are the provinces that make up Canada. They are not simply provinces that happen to be in Canada. That would work with cities (No one would have a "list of cities of Canada" but they would definitely have one, "List of counties of Ontario") They are fundamental units of it. Like Members OF Parliament, rather than Members IN Parliament. Just please don't continue these movies unless you have some form of consensus, as I can assure you I'm not the only one who would disagree with this unusual interpretation of the English language. --Golbez (talk) 17:14, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
The articles usually do not refer to the entities making up the country, but rather to the history of the smaller entities themselves. I mean, what you say makes sense but it's not the same context as the articles you are talking about. I don't know about the provinces of Canada. What I was focusing on was counties in a country, and in those articles it goes on about the *counties* very much, and the *countries* very little so in that context these articles are about the counties *in* the country rather than the counties *comprising* it. ~ R.T.G 17:20, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
Quote 1, "The provinces and territories of Canada combine to make up ..." Quote 2, "The counties of Ireland (Irish: contaetha na hÉireann) are sub-national divisions used for the purposes of geographic demarcation and local government." ~ R.T.G 17:30, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

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Town Council[edit]

Your nominoation at DYK is oddly arranged. I'm guessing its your first try there. I can help if you like. I'll help by refomatting this on DYK so it looks OK. One problem I can see is that you need a reference for every parangraph. Is this achievable? Hope you perservere Victuallers (talk) 09:18, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

Actually the one reference is the collected history of records and the more modern stuff, which is only slight at the moment, is all reffed from their own website. I did one about a year or more ago. Nope don't really look at them outside the front page so if you know what to do don't let me hold you back. Or if you can think of a better DYK out of it or anything. Mucho gracias. ~ R.T.G 10:09, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

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The author does work for the Oregonian. Also, the original article is here - [2]. I found it by including "five times in just over a mile" in my search. SL93 (talk) 02:27, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

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You've got to ask your self, is the subject "Freeware" a valid educational/informational topic? And if it is, is it the sort of topic about which there could be a long list of items? Google Chrome for instance is Freeware is it not? Facebook. Dota 2 is Freeware. Anything software that you are permitted to use legally without paying, and particularly without restriction, well that's freeware and there are lists of it big enough to fill half an internet.  :) ~ R.T.G 20:13, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

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Template:Did you know nominations/Poverty in Cyprus and redlinks[edit]

Concerning this edit; unless you believe that Unemployment in Cyprus is not a worthy topic for an article, you should not have removed that redlink. Our guideline on the subject is quite clear that redlinks to appropriate (but not-yet-created) articles should be added, and that they should certainly not be removed. There is no guideline or policy about not having redlinks in DYKs; indeed, given the central guideline on redlinks, quite the opposite. I have reinstated the redlink. J Milburn (talk) 22:32, 5 September 2014 (UTC)

@@J Milburn: I thought they used to frown on red links at DYK. Otherwise, sure, my mistake. The others however (there were 3 or 4 red links) were definitely not content. ~ R.T.G 22:48, 5 September 2014 (UTC)
No redlinks can be included in the hook, but that's just because there's a "no redlinks on the MP" norm. The DYK guidelines have got no business demanding things in articles contrary to our actual guidelines, which is what a "keep redlinks to a minimum" policy would be. I'm also not convinced that the other red links were inappropriate; are "persistent poverty", "severe material deprivation" and "at-risk-of-poverty rate" specific concepts employed in academic/policy literature? I don't know the poverty literature particularly well, though I'd certainly trust Piotrus to be aware of the links he's making. J Milburn (talk) 23:12, 5 September 2014 (UTC)
Well it needed some tidying and formatting so I just did it according to the way I thought it should look and read best. There was no descriptions of the poverty so emphasising the severity with links would have a negative effect on the prose. "at-risk-of-poverty rate" is obviously clumsy and replaceable by synonymous terms and the point of mentioning persistent poverty was that it was not relevant to the topic so red linking it didn't seem appropriate. So I believe I was correct or had the room for the decision based on preference. ~ R.T.G 23:26, 5 September 2014 (UTC)
And the reason I suggested writing employment before unemployment just seems to follow, that it would be easier and on such a small scale that unemployment would likely begin as a section of that, so that's the whole rationale. ~ R.T.G 23:28, 5 September 2014 (UTC)
@J Milburn:I would say persistent poverty and material deprivation are indeed academic topics while at-risk-of-poverty is just common terminology along the lines of poverty risk. If you think the first two should remain, I won't challenge you at re-adding them. But trust wasn't the issue, and I'd be unlikely to take that onboard to a certain extent in this context unless I felt some personal familiarity with the work of said editor. ~ R.T.G 23:39, 5 September 2014 (UTC)
And even then I do not think that trust was an issue there. ~ R.T.G 23:43, 5 September 2014 (UTC)
And I'm doing some waffling about it but I'm sort of re-learning about DYK and that doesn't mean I'll be there a lot but it is learning none the less ~ R.T.G 23:53, 5 September 2014 (UTC)
The phrase was "at-risk-of-poverty rate". If this is a codified measure used/endorsed by academics/key agencies, then it, too, is worthy of a redlink. I think there certainly is a trust issue, here- unless you've done a bit of research on the topic yourself, you're saying "I don't know for sure, but I don't trust the editor who has written this to make a sensible judgement about what is and is not a worthwhile link". I'm not trying to be judgmental, here, I'm just hoping to get you thinking about redlink removal, which seems to be unthinking and automatic in some people. That's a bad thing. J Milburn (talk) 12:29, 6 September 2014 (UTC)
If you think that it is an error, just correct it. But, it is one of a set of terms indicating the same thing, and it is the clumsy-most-of-all one. In Deutsche, it is proper grammar for large strings of words to be written as the one. I think you will find this phrase most commonly related to governmental rhetoric of the EU. Poverty risk, on its own, seems the correct header for this language, while the rate of poverty risk is a section of that topic. I think that's about right. The guides say the most common title rather than the most common term of reference. "at-risk-of-poverty rate" brings in three times the search hits of "Poverty risk" but isn't that because the citation and reference to the parent topic is threefold? Yeah okay, maybe that's not the debate you were looking for. The guides say to minimise red linkage and to keep it in direct relevance. I de-linked them all. ~ R.T.G 13:21, 6 September 2014 (UTC)
"The guides say to minimise red linkage"- No they don't. That's the point. Please familiarise yourself with WP:REDLINK. This isn't really about the poverty issues, it's about redlinking. Redlinks are not a bad thing. J Milburn (talk) 15:38, 6 September 2014 (UTC)
It does actually say on the second sentence and paragraph, "Although red links to notable topics are permitted in lists and other articles, do not overlink in the mainspace solely for use as an article creation guide." I'm actually quite inclusionary when it relates to topical matter. This quoted sentence says to me that the best ordering would be a list in the see also with red linkage there, and that seems to be a well rounded approach. I agree that they are not a bad thing, but their positioning and composition has nothing to do with that. If the intention was encouragement, it could be commonplace to have a link in the see also to supporting articles which haven't been written, listed. ~ R.T.G 15:58, 6 September 2014 (UTC)
Do not overlink- don't feel the need to link to the same term over and over in the same article, or where a link would not be useful. Basically, do not link when you wouldn't link a bluelink. I'm all for including appropriate redlinks in see also sections (though I suspect some would claim that it's counterintuitive, because you can't also see an article when there isn't one written) but there's no guideline which says they should be kept there. J Milburn (talk) 09:13, 7 September 2014 (UTC)

House of Plantagenet edits[edit]

Hello RTG -- I see you undid my edits to the Plantagenet page, removing the term "feudal", which (I contend) is widely considered obsolete among professional medievalists. I'm happy to provide references, but I'm not clear on how to provide a reference to validate something that I removed. By definition, there is nothing left to footnote :-) Or are you suggesting I provide additional attribution on the talk page for the article? I don't do a lot of Wikipedia editing, so not sure what is recommended here. The article itself doesn't seem to have a talk page. Slane00 (talk) 12:09, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

@Slane00:I appreciate you feel that way, and I actually do not have an opinion if you are correct or not, but to define the usage of such a widespread word, you really will need to consult the community. Just saying you are really sure will not provide the basis for such a change. The reasons should be obvious. Changes like that are held over the whole site, not just one article... Check out the WP:MOS ~ R.T.G 12:19, 17 September 2014 (UTC)
@RTG:Hi, my question is simply how you recommend I proceed. Should I open a discussion on the talk page for the Plantagenet article, which doesn't seem to exist? Just not sure what you recommend as a next step. I'm very happy to have a citation-based discussion about this, I'm just not sure where. Slane00 (talk) 12:37, 17 September 2014 (UTC)
@Slane00: Start it on the talk page, or the talk page of the wikiproject listed at the top of the talk page. But be warned as a new editor, shouting your piece will not get you anywhere, even if your changes you suggest are correct. People who come here to write and discuss get listened to. People who come here to scrawl and vandalise get blocked. (it will be frustrating if no one listens to you, just leave it for some time later) ~ R.T.G 12:47, 17 September 2014 (UTC)
And just to note, if the response from the talk pages is slight, try WP:Village pump or WP:RD/Humanities. ~ R.T.G 12:53, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

Your proposal c/e request[edit]

Hi RTG, I'm sorry I was a little curt on the GOCE talk page; I didn't notice you were asking for a copy-edit here. We don't normally c/e pages in user space, but you can always ask again if your proposal is accepted—there's no point us working on a rejected proposal! Please be clear that you're asking for the text to be polished. FWIW I didn't think you were canvassing, just posting in the wrong venue. Regards, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 23:16, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

Nope. Not that I saw. If nobody points these things out, or you refuse to understand them, you don't pick up ten percent of them. I wasn't asking for a copy edit exactly, but I wasn't not asking for one if that makes any sense. I read a lot of disputes before and it just seemed to follow that any sort of identifier to an attacking statement was a personal affront.. but it didn't exactly say that in NPA.. So, if you've got some edits for it with that in mind... ~ R.T.G 08:02, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
I think Wikipedia:CIVIL#Identifying_incivility 1 (b): "personal attacks, including racial, ethnic, sexual, disability-related, gender-related and religious slurs, and derogatory references to groups such as social classes or nationalities" covers your proposal. Regards, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 05:24, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
One word across the whole page and then, one word across the NPA page too... Does that not make it squeak a bit? ~ R.T.G 08:03, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
I don't understand your use of "squeak", but the text is there even though some may chose not to see it. You could discuss this on those policies' talk pages and perhaps rewrite them. I think the writing there could do with being clarifed and the waffle removed. Anyway it still makes your proposal superfluous, but you could leave it as an essay in your user space. I'm sure you'd gain some support for it at the Pump. Regards, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 15:58, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
Well I mean it is poorly cared for in that respect. If you do not oil a wheel or a hinge it starts to squeak. ~ R.T.G 20:25, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Knockeen Portal Tomb[edit]

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Ways to improve Deborah Luster[edit]

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DYK for Knockeen Portal Tomb[edit]

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Molecular gyroscope DYK[edit]

I reviewed it, and I would use the template but when I tried to (as you may have seen) it didn't work. So I could use your feedback on the DYK page. Jinkinson talk to me 19:38, 4 October 2014 (UTC)

Hobby Horse Polo -Template:Did you know nominations/Hobby Horse Polo[edit]

I need a reviewer with humour. Think youre the right one. Are you? Serten (talk) 20:15, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

Ha, yes funny one :). The translations have me mystified however. Usually Google comes up with perfect sentences from dutch or deutcshe, but if it is not completed for a while we can go to WikiProject Germany and half them will probably speak fluently, ~ R.T.G 08:48, 10 October 2014 (UTC)
I added a short translation, and right, Google seams to leave out some words at the moment. I am a German myself btw., so lets not start goosestepping. Serten (talk) 08:53, 10 October 2014 (UTC)
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Phase propagation[edit]

Re this, are you talking about phase velocity? Carcharoth (talk) 19:07, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

More specifically, it's the rate at which variation in the phase velocity is transferred, synonymous with wave propagation. It's interesting thinking about phase propagation and molecular gyroscopes together. But I'm sure that's not a content issue.
I'm not doing an actual doctoral thesis, I shouldn't really post stuff like that. 01:21, 20 October 2014 (UTC)

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DYK-Debbie Rodella[edit]

Hi-I have a modest request to make concerning the article about Debbie Rodella and the DYK nomination; please do not included myself in the nomination of the article for DYK. I added the section about Debbie Rodella's education and job history to bring an balance to the article that there is life outside of politics. I would feel very uncomfortable if I would be included in the DYK nomination. Many thanks-RFD (talk) 21:07, 2 November 2014 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Debbie Rodella[edit]

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DYK for William Goforth (doctor)[edit]

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DYK for Deborah Luster[edit]

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Your deletion and comment was incredibly offensive and inappropriate referring to inspiration as "nonsense" seems stupid.

Hi, could you add something to show that inspirational relationship? Otherwise, all you did was add a link to a book and a quick search did not reveal any connection. Also, your edit previous to that edit was to add White trash to the article hot rod. Now, let me tell you something about incredibly offensive starting with accusing people of being likely vandals. sorry about that. And please sign your comments by typing four tildes ~~~~ and you will be able to tell where your comments end and mine begin... ~ R.T.G 17:18, 15 November 2014 (UTC)


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November 17[edit]

Article talk pages are not a forum for general discussion of the article subject. If you had bothered to look at the history of the talk page or the user, you would have noticed that he has been persistently spamming talk pages with commentary of he type I deleted. The validity of the comments are irrelevant. They are not a discussion of anything in the article, and hence not valid addition to talk pages. Mark Marathon (talk) 22:37, 16 November 2014 (UTC)

@Mark Marathon:Deleting comments is only okay if they are an obvious offense: vandalism, open attack, and banned editors contribs. (it's in the policies and guidelines WP:TALK) Basically, the editor has to stop of their own volition if they are not doing the correct thing or be confronted by those empowered to make stops. Personally, though the effort may not be to standard, it seems a valid and good faith attempt so I'd have explained or left it to someone who would explain. If you aren't sure how you should proceed in a situation, ask for advice somewhere like WP:Help or WP:Administrators noticeboard because this situation is held by all at some point on WP and usually someone will know how to guide you. Consider, if you maintain that attitude, you are less likely to get heated in a disagreement than if you start deleting each other. ~ R.T.G 23:07, 16 November 2014 (UTC)

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