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Diamond symbol in List of streetcar systems
I wish I had noticed this earlier, but I've just discovered that you misunderstood the use of the diamond symbol in List of streetcar systems in the United States and you've made extensive changes that now make this list harder to use, and make it different from the associated and same-format lists for all other countries (indexed at List of town tramway systems); as an example, look at the List of town tramway systems in Spain, List of town tramway systems in Austria and others. The diamond symbol denotes a city (which had its own streetcar system at some point) that is part of larger metropolitan area, but which is not that area's principal city. Therefore, every diamond-noted system that was located in the Los Angeles area (e.g.) is supposed to be listed under Los Angeles (not in alphabetical order within the entire state), and that's the way this list was formatted for the last several years until you changed it in May. Doing it that way benefitted the many, many readers of this list who, for example, have no idea which small cities (such as Glendale) are part of the Los Angeles metropolitan area, or the Chicago or Boston areas, etc. But you've now changed every state's table to list every system in straight alphabetical order without grouping the cities that are really part of one metropolitan area. I realize it was probably unintentional, but that change has taken away one of the useful educational elements of this list, and it was unnecessary, because even with the longstanding previous (intended) format, anyone wanting to find a given city alphabetically within a state could simply use the the column-sorting function to do that. (I don't know if it was you who added column sorting or someone else, but that was a useful addition.) I've now added a somewhat clearer (but not perfect) explanation of the diamond symbol and removed the link to the explanation given on the similar Trolleybus article's talk page, which does not apply directly to the List of streetcar systems in the United States. That explanation was much simpler (intended only for the trolleybus list), because almost no cities in the U.S. had more than one trolleybus company operating concurrently, whereas dozens and dozens of U.S. cities had more than one streetcar company operating concurrently (making it totally impractical to list them all separately - there were thousands, over time - unlike for trolleybuses, where there were about 7 such cases, total, for the entire country). I'm not sure whether I'll attempt to restore the metropolitan-area groupings that this list had until recently, because it would probably take several days, and I have other demands on my time. If I eventually do, or someone else does, then afterwards I'd revise the explanation for the diamond symbol to mention part of what I wrote at the beginning of this message, that "the diamond symbol denotes a city (which had its own streetcar system at some point) that is part of larger metropolitan area, but which is not that area's principal city," and that such systems/cities are grouped with (or listed alphabetically under, or some such wording) the principal city. However, for now, I haven't used that in the explanation because the smaller cities are no longer grouped by metropolitan area. Again, just using California as an example, please be aware that many people reading this list will have no idea which metropolitan area (or "city" in the broader sense) the smaller cities of Coronado, Long Beach, Palo Alto, Redlands, etc. are located in. The list's old format told them. SJ Morg (talk) 10:47, 3 July 2013 (UTC)
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