User talk:Ravenswing

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Beyond that, I keep my AfD work over on AfD. Don't write me here to dispute my posts or lobby to change my vote. Anything on your mind should be said in the pertinent discussion, so everyone can be privy to the debate.

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Hello[edit]

Hi Ravenswing, seems Order of the Eagle of Georgia got created again. As it got deleted 2 times already by your nominations just thought you'd be interested. Jaqeli 11:43, 26 July 2015 (UTC)

  • Thanks for the tipoff; I've just AfDed this version once more. Ravenswing 14:22, 26 July 2015 (UTC)

Unprecedented[edit]

Hi Ravenswing, while reversing my edit, you indicated "Unprecedented" = no one ever did it before. This is a mistake many people make, and often leads to a gross misuse of the word. Unprecedented means without precedent, and precedented means nothing LIKE this has ever happened before, so much so that this event will be a guide or model for things to come. A good litmus test is: "what changed because of this". Meaning, is there a new rule, category, some behavior change, or impact.

Unprecedented is often used instead of something like "record" (particularly in sports), and in other cases it is used to make it seem exciting, akin to WP:Peacock. Sports facts/feats/streaks are rarely unprecedented. Streaks that extend something by 1 aren't precedents (although they are often new records). New records - numerical values going higher in any of a multitude of categories, happen all the time. But other than saying "wow, that's great" they don't often have a significant impact on the sporting world, so they wouldn't be a precedent.

Good examples of unprecedented actions in sports are: Babe Ruth home runs (MLB made a new rule to give us the modern day walk-off, which didn't exist before him); Curt Flood suing to get out of his contract (ushering in Free Agency period). Lombardi was so good they named the Super Bowl trophy after him.

I'll ask you to reconsider the edit. But if you really feel strongly about it, I won't start an edit-war. Cheers. Brad Entirelybs (talk) 02:31, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

  • That is your interpretation, anyway. The dictionary definition is "without previous instance; never before known or experienced; unexampled or unparalleled." This fits its usage here. The further interpretation of "what changed because of this" may well be how you prefer to use it, of course. It isn't mine. Ravenswing 09:22, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

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Rachel Luttrell[edit]

I suggest referring to MOS: BIO first. It clearly states in 3.1 that in most modern-day cases this means the country of which the person is a citizen, national or permanent resident, or if notable mainly for past events, the country where the person was a citizen, national or permanent resident when the person became notable. Since Rachel was only 5 when she arrived with her family in Canada and she rose to fame as a Canadian, therefore she is considered a Canadian actress. Same goes for, let's say, Jon Bon Jovi. True, ethnically he is Italian-American, but his nationality is American. Hope this clearifies things. Norum 16:12, 17 August 2015 (UTC)