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Your Thoughts...[edit]

We have discussed the possibility of expanding THIS... I am seriously considering the creation of a full genre article comparable to stuff like Swedish death metal or West Coast hip hop etc. It would essentially be the narrative of the Don't Think I've Forgotten film in expanded form with robust links and independent sources. I am confident that text and sources for such an article will come together rather easily from our existing artist articles plus Cambodian Rocks and related items on Cambodian history and the war. The problem is I cannot think of a GOOD TITLE!
Cambodian rock might be pretty good but the era of interest will be 1959-1975 and current Cambodian music will be excluded. Cambodian psychedelic rock might also be good because it's a label that is often used by modern fans like Dengue Fever (band) but it implies that psychedelic was the only genre practiced in that scene. Something like 1960-70s rock in Cambodia might be too long and unwieldy for WP:NAMINGCRITERIA. Any thoughts? ---DOOMSDAYER520 (Talk|Contribs) 18:59, 2 August 2018 (UTC)

I've found myself thinking about this a few times now. The best I've come up with so far is "Music of/in/during pre-Khmer Rouge Cambodia", with honorable mentions for "Music of Sihanouk Era Cambodia and the Khmer Republic", "Music of Cambodia, 1960-1975", "Mid-20th century music in Cambodia" and the like. It seems hard to draw a clear line -- musically or politically. I haven't read anything that does much to contrast music under Sihanouk vs. the Khmer Republic. That is, I've read plenty about how Sihanouk fostered music/culture, but not much about what changed between 1970-75. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 19:21, 2 August 2018 (UTC)
Pinging Wikirictor, who wrote most of History of Cambodia, and WilliamThweatt, who has provided some useful insight about related topics in the past. @Wikirictor, since I don't know if you know the context here, we've been working on 1960s-70s Cambodian pop/rock music articles like Sinn Sisamouth, Yol Aularong, Pen Ran, Baksey Cham Krong, Meas Samon, Ros Serey Sothea, etc. (and my gateway to the music, Cambodian Rocks). — Rhododendrites talk \\ 19:29, 2 August 2018 (UTC)
In the near future I'm ready to write a first draft of such an article on the scene/genre, but I'll take any ideas on what to call the dang thing. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (Talk|Contribs) 20:19, 2 August 2018 (UTC)
Thanks for the ping. As I've noted before, I don't have much time to dedicate to WP these days, so I won't say much. However, I will say that both by its title and in its content, such an article should make it clear that this was (to use Doomsdayer's terms) one specific scene in Cambodian popular music of the era. The "rock" music has been brought to the attention of the Western world in recent times and that may make it seem like it was something more than it really was. But rock music wasn't the only kind of pop music in Cambodia during that era, nor was it likely even the most popular. Among Khmer, Sisamouth and SereiSothea for example, are more well-known for slow ballads like this and this or their myriad rom vong and rom kbach songs. These types of songs were (and are) way more popular among all Cambodian demographic groups than any of the psychedelic or "garage band" type music, which although popular among college and international students at the time for its "western" sound, was/is viewed as not much more than a novelty by most Cambodians. On top of that, in addition to pop music, there were other genres including court music, traditional and folk music that also prospered during this era. And...I've rambled on more than I intended. Suffice to say that the title and the article should put the CambodiaRocks-type music in the proper Cambodian context (i.e. not at all representative of all Cambodian popular music of the time) in addition to noting its new-found, and rather incongruous, popularity among westerners.--William Thweatt TalkContribs 07:19, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
Thanks for the helpful reminder, William. Documentaries like Don't Think I've Forgotten and the selection of music that's been imported to the US have definitely shaped my understanding such that I may be of the impression that it was more popular than it was, but I've listened to enough e.g. Sinn Sisamouth and Ros Serey Sothea that I know it's not all western-influenced rock/pop/garage/psych. I don't know specifically what Doomsdayer's article plan is, but I would assume incorporate material about all sorts of pop music if doing an article on that era. Perhaps that just gets too much overlap with the existing article, and perhaps we would run into trouble with two people who don't read Khmer searching for sources on the elements of Khmer music that haven't become popular in the west (I say popular, but it's even more of a niche here :) ). So maybe the most succinct title/scope (which doesn't read as very succinct, but oh well) might be "Rock music of pre-Khmer Rouge Cambodia". — Rhododendrites talk \\ 14:47, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
William's thoughts indicate why Music of Cambodia should remain the primary article in this area. Unfortunately that article has been in need of expansion for years, and international WP users do not have the expertise, and anyone who does have the expertise is probably not able to use international WP. In the history of the Sinn Sisamouth talk page you can see people popping up occasionally who really are Cambodian (as in an old dispute over how to spell his name), but otherwise we have a bunch of articles written by Americans with material that Americans know about. .......................... It's surely not perfect but the scene/genre has gained international notice that may very well transcend Cambodia itself. Or in other words, Klezmer is enjoyed and talked about worldwide by people who know little about its European Jewish originators and may not have to. "1960s-70s Cambodian Rock" (or whatever title) could survive WP's notability requirements thanks to its international recognition. Any article here must avoid implying that it represents ALL Cambodian popular music, which hopefully can be done with sensitive writing. I envision a tight genre-specific article; consider the article for Jazz fusion which does not imply that it's the only kind of jazz. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (Talk|Contribs) 15:08, 3 August 2018 (UTC)

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New exercise regimen while staying indoors during the pandemic[edit]

I'll just leave this here... — Rhododendrites talk \\ 15:37, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

Outstanding!!! Face-grin.svg Video now shared with dog owners I know. --cart-Talk 15:52, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Mandarin Patinkin[edit]

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Your GA nomination of Alice Gray[edit]

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Your GA nomination of Gowanus Batcave[edit]

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Great work on the page! You definitely deserve this. epicgenius (talk) 16:17, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

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DYK for Orlando Julius[edit]

Updated DYK query.svgOn 31 May 2020, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Orlando Julius, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Robin Denselow of The Guardian called Orlando Julius (pictured) "one of the heroes of Nigerian music"? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Orlando Julius. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Orlando Julius), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

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The Signpost: 31 May 2020[edit]

date formats and visual editor[edit]

@Epicgenius and GiantSnowman: Now sure where to put this, so just putting it here. Before this year, I always started new articles using the source editor. Pleased with how easy adding refs is with VE, I started using that a few articles ago. I've noticed that, for those articles, people (including the two of you, at George Floyd protests in New York City and Orlando Julius, respectively) have changed the date format. Why? For Julius, I assumed it was because of the preferred date format for Nigeria, but maybe not? I am not someone who cares much about date format, but it seems strange to me that the default format used by visual editor (and thus the default format for references added to Wikipedia) would be problematic across both of these articles. Could someone explain? Thanks. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 18:45, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

Rhododendrites, basically VE defaults to YYYY-MM-DD, and as far as I am aware, there isn't really an easy way to change this unless you fix the dates manually. The date format script I use (which is the same as what GiantSnowman uses) tends to change all dates, even those in citations. epicgenius (talk) 18:50, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
As for standardising dates, it's WP:DATEVAR you want. GiantSnowman 19:09, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

Ok, so basically for the protests article, EG saw that I had used e.g. "May 31" or "May 31, 2020" and standardized the dates based on that? And for the Orlando Julius article, GS changed the only dates that existed (the ones in the refs--I don't think there were any others to factor in in the article) based on the "strong national ties [to Nigeria]"? That makes sufficient sense. Thanks. :) — Rhododendrites talk \\ 11:38, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

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three-check chess[edit]

Hi! You said in chess variants you can help me recreate the three-check chess article. I looked at the original and I think we can use part of that but I want to add more. I think I can enlist a few three-check players to come and help. That's all, thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Geekpotato24 (talkcontribs) 00:56, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

@Geekpotato24: It was LukeSurl who said that, actually. I did a pretty exhaustive search for sources when it existed before and didn't find anything beyond what was surfaced then, but it's possible there's more now? — Rhododendrites talk \\ 01:00, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

Oh, sorry. I thought it was you. Thanks though. Geekpotato24 (talk) 01:16, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

The Signpost: 28 June 2020[edit]

Issue with DYK nomination[edit]

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WikiLoop Battlefield new name vote[edit]

Dear Rhododendrites,

Thank you for your interest and contributions to WikiLoop Battlefield. We are holding a voting for proposed new name. We would like to invite you to this voting. The voting is held at m:WikiProject_WikiLoop/New_name_vote and ends on July 13th 00:00 UTC.

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A cupcake for you![edit]

Choco-Nut Bake with Meringue Top cropped.jpg A sugary confection for no reason whatsoever! Enwebb (talk) 16:15, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
@Enwebb: and it's not even a demo! Thanks — Rhododendrites talk \\ 16:45, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
You don't even have to revert :) Hope you had a good day yesterday. Enwebb (talk) 17:08, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

You were right[edit]

You nailed this one, and I sensed you were right. Hindsight - 20-20. Atsme Talk 📧 16:55, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

@Atsme: Hmmm. What did I miss? — Rhododendrites talk \\ 14:48, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
Oops. Should've just looked for a sec first. I see. Apparently I have some catching up to do at the TPUSA talk page... (or perhaps not -- it's nice out today...). :) — Rhododendrites talk \\ 14:49, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

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WikiCup 2020 July newsletter[edit]

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Talk:Kamala Harris[edit]

I have half a mind of semi-protecting this talk page, until that little storm blows over. I haven't yet looked in the history to see if any flagrant BLP violations were committed. You have any thoughts on it? Drmies (talk) 01:11, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

@Drmies: I haven't been watching the article. I've seen Bnguyen1114 around for the past several months. Mainly when we had a minor disagreement over what kinds of endorsements to add to lists of endorsements of democratic candidates. He was adding a lot ... to several of the candidates' lists, as I recall (i.e. not just Harris). I do not have the impression that this is someone who signed up just to promote Harris. That's not to say I've vetted his edits and find them to have no problems; it means I have no reason to believe they're WP:NOTHERE and thus should be extended the same good faith we would anyone else who hasn't been mentioned in the media today. That was really my only point in posting to the talk page. If people want to present evidence that some policy has been violated, or that he should be topic banned from Kamala Harris, or whatever else, people can make that case through the appropriate fora. But I'm seeing unpleasant stuff on Twitter supplemented by interrogation/insinuation on the article talk page, where it just shouldn't be. I'd like for us to be particularly sensitive about how off-wiki [criticism] of someone's edits affects that person, and be sure we use proper channels... because it means they're already having an unpleasant time elsewhere so we should really strive for that AGF thing we try to do. What the best thing to do on the talk page is? I don't know. Semi-protect may help, but I'd prefer to just see personal comments removed/hatted and redirected to ANI/COIN/whatever. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 01:55, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
After I left this I saw that a comment had indeed been scrubbed; there's all kinds of related material popping up now, some of which I've scrubbed as well. I'm not so much concerned with Bnguyen, unless they're being doxxed or unjustly criticized of course, but--as usually happens--new and "new" editors are popping up like, well, I don't know, things that pop up rapidly. Drmies (talk) 02:09, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

Editing news 2020 #3[edit]

On 16 March 2020, the 50 millionth edit was made using the visual editor on desktop.

Seven years ago this week, the Editing team made the visual editor available by default to all logged-in editors using the desktop site at the English Wikipedia. Here's what happened since its introduction:

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