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ITN[edit]

Well, Destruction of ivory is now on ITN. This can be both a blessing and a curse for the article since a lot of people will have opinions about it. I'll help you keep an eye on it for a while. Cheers, w.carter-Talk 08:30, 2 May 2016 (UTC)

@W.carter: Well this is neat. That little bump to the left is the DYK. :) I guess I never thought about it, but ITN sure does seem to get a lot more eyeballs than DYK (and I suppose with the big event in Kenya it's also more timely). FYI I did a bunch of work to it this morning and went ahead and nominated it for GA. Might as well get it into the queue. Hopefully it's not too premature. :) — Rhododendrites talk \\ 17:06, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
Yep, the pull that an article gets from media, which is what put it in ITN in the first place, is usually quite significant. When I first heard the news, I looked for "ivory burning" not expecting to find anything than perhaps a mentioning of it at some ivory trade or save the elephants article, and I was fully prepared to start writing one myself. Imagine my surprise! :) I hope you get the help and inspiration you needed to complete the GAN. Once it is off the main page, you can work on it a bit more in peace and quiet. I have an article I was working on when I managed to get it to ITN and that raised a lot of help. Some day when the stone has gathered some additional history, I can bring it to GA. For now there just hasn't happened enough with it yet. w.carter-Talk 20:43, 7 May 2016 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals/Encyclopedias and/or Reference Works[edit]

Would you like to support the creation of and/join the proposed Wikiproject for Encyclopedias and/or Reference Works--Bellerophon5685 (talk) 22:40, 4 May 2016 (UTC)

@Bellerophon5685: Sounds good to me! Thanks for the heads up. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 22:49, 4 May 2016 (UTC)

MovePage parameters[edit]

I saw your sandbox and suggest this:

{{#ifexist:{{BASEPAGENAME}}|instructions if an article with that name already exists|that article is available, [{{fullurl:Special:MovePage|wpOldTitle={{FULLPAGENAMEE}}&wpNewTitle={{BASEPAGENAMEE}}&wpReason={{urlencode:moving draft to mainspace}}}} click here to move]}}

fullurl is a cleaner and more portable way to make url's. The double EE in FULLPAGENAMEE and BASEPAGENAMEE makes url encoding so it works if the page name has spaces or special characters. wpReason=moving%20draft%20to%20mainspace works but urlencode is more flexible and allows more characters to be used if the text is changed. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:08, 5 May 2016 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter: Very helpful, thanks for the advice! — Rhododendrites talk \\ 16:52, 6 May 2016 (UTC)

Incel[edit]

Well then, seems I missed the fun. No objection to how it ended up, and it's good to see that other editors and admins agree. Thanks for keeping me in the loop. UltraExactZZ Said ~ Did 13:13, 10 May 2016 (UTC)

Sudbury Valley School[edit]

I have undone your undoing. Daniel Greenberg is one of many founders of the school, and in many forums he has rejected and denied the claim that he founded the school. It was a collaborative process, involving many persons. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Diodotus (talkcontribs) 13:04, 20 May 2016 (UTC)

@Diodotus: No problem. My impression was that among the reliable secondary sources about the school, Greenberg is typically given as the founder, but looking at the sources we currently cited (which are unfortunately lacking -- but that's another issue) it looks like I'm mistaken at least as far as they are concerned. As an aside, please remember to use edit summaries (the little text box next to where you click "save"). Changing an article to give/remove a person's "credit", without explaining why and without citing a source, is usually a red flag for vandalism or opinion (especially on a school's page, unfortunately). Thanks for the message, though. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 13:21, 20 May 2016 (UTC)

chess, again[edit]

hi.

sorry to bother you on your personal talkpage, but i'd really appreciate some feedback regarding the current form of the viewer. the critique was not very detailed, so it's possible that it looks worse now than before, but i think i did improve the appearance by consolidating the PGN and the metadata, and moving it below the controls. i also streamlined some rough edges (like, not all the buttons were the same size and such), and removed some old unused features: specifically, the size-changing slider, the "reverse" button, and some other bits and pieces. i would really appreciate it if you could give it a spin and let me know what you think.

peace - קיפודנחש (aka kipod) (talk) 19:19, 29 May 2016 (UTC)

ping - the discussion continues in Wikipedia:VPP about the proposal - your input will be appreciated. peace - קיפודנחש (aka kipod) (talk) 15:34, 12 June 2016 (UTC)
@קיפודנחש: Sorry, I've been trying to spend less time on Wikipedia, but all that seems to have changed is I'm avoiding threads/projects that I know will take time. That, and I was annoyed with the RfC starting in that old thread without discussion first. Nonetheless, might as well move forward. Will try to get to it in the next couple days. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 14:04, 16 June 2016 (UTC)
thanks. based on this edit, it seems that the source of your annoyance ceased. i am not familiar enough with enwiki politics to revive this proposal, and will be grateful to you if you can do something to get it back on track. it seems silly to me that a proposal which received in its initial introduction significant number of "support"s and not a single "oppose" should disappear as a result of a single person's disruption, especially now, that the disruption is gone. peace - קיפודנחש (aka kipod) (talk) 23:56, 17 June 2016 (UTC)

Becoming Course Instructors[edit]

Hello, @TheTrabiMechanic:, @Stinglehammer: are trying to find out how we can become course instructors/coordinators. @Stinglehammer: is setting up a course at the University of Edinburgh and wants the course page to be ready by mid-July and @TheTrabiMechanic: will be running a course at University College London as well. Best, --Flycatchr 16:18, 10 June 2016 (UTC)

@TheTrabiMechanic, Stinglehammer, and Flycatchr: Hi there. First off, I want to ping TFlanagan-WMF, who works with the global education program at WMF, as the organization I work for, the Wiki Education Foundation, is only able to support institutions in the US and Canada right now. The course instructor right is basically a license to create a page using the "course page extension" like this one. There's also another tool called the Outreach Dashboard, but I'm not entirely sure how integrated that is to the education program and/or if Tighe would recommend using one or another, so I'll defer to him. If you haven't come across these sites yet, you may want to explore the Outreach Wiki's education page and Wiki Education Foundation's materials (we can only support US/CA, but there are lots of materials anyone can use there). — Rhododendrites talk \\ 16:39, 10 June 2016 (UTC)
@Rhododendrites: Hi, thanks for getting back to us. I've already created a couple of course pages and I suppose I was able to because I was given campus ambassador rights. I'm just wondering whether it's such rights (course instructor, campus ambassador, etc) can only be granted by an administrator on Wikipedia. --Flycatchr 16:54, 11 June 2016 (UTC)

GAs[edit]

Hi there, hope you have a comfortable wikibreak. Having just finished a successful GAN, I thought I'd take a look at Destruction of ivory for its upcoming GA review while things are still fresh in my memory. There are some tweaks I'd like to do, if you don't like them, please feel free to revert them. Just thought I'd give you a heads up. Best, w.carter-Talk 09:08, 16 June 2016 (UTC)

@W.carter: These look good. Thanks. I do tend to try to stick to prose whenever possible, but you're right that the section looked a bit like a list already, so that change might make sense. As for a wikibreak... I'm so bad at those. :) — Rhododendrites talk \\ 14:02, 16 June 2016 (UTC)
Bad at Wikibreaks, I can totally relate to that. :) I should be working now... I'm also pro-prose, but sometimes that may not be the best way. I'll continue with looking for thing to improve in the article later tonight. I'll keep in touch. w.carter-Talk 14:07, 16 June 2016 (UTC)
Let me just say that this back and forth editing we do right now is something I find very productive. One MOS rule may be countered by another MOS rule, one improvement lead to an even better improvement, new ideas emerge and so on. I always like having my work challenged, that's the way you learn new stuff and come up with even better solutions. Face-smile.svg Cheers, w.carter-Talk 21:53, 16 June 2016 (UTC)
@W.carter: Agreed, although given the whole quasi-wikibreak thing, I don't think I'll be able to reliably keep up a back-and-forth...but who knows :) — Rhododendrites talk \\ 21:56, 16 June 2016 (UTC)
I was only referring to this evening (or whatever time it is where you live). :) Won't disturb you tomorrow or during the weekend, you deserve a bit of Wiki-Holiday. :) w.carter-Talk 21:59, 16 June 2016 (UTC)

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Time stamp only[edit]

Hello,

At the AfD for LawnStarter you signature didn't work - only your time stamp. Here is the diff [1]. I hope you don't mind me letting you know. Regards --- Steve Quinn (talk) 05:42, 23 June 2016 (UTC)

@Steve Quinn: It might be fun to change my username to User:The present time and only sign with a wikilinked timestamp. :) Thanks for the heads up. Fixed. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 05:49, 23 June 2016 (UTC)
Ha ha! That would be a good one! It would either cause confusion every day that you edit or you'd have editors checking your user page everyday to see who it is :>)---Steve Quinn (talk) 05:53, 23 June 2016 (UTC)

List of YouTubers[edit]

Hi. This is MetallicaMan800. You see, I'm Timmy Fellows and I have 112 subscribers on my YT channel. I added myself to the list because I thought it would be cool to be on the YouTuber list. The only problem is that I have made a Wikipedia artical on myself on multiple occasions, but have all of which have been deleted for no reason. And if there WAS a reason, I should have been told. In this message I'll leave the links to the two that I remember the links to, both will say that the pages were previously made, but deleted. If you could find some way to get me back on the List of YouTubers, that would be great. Thanks in advance.

Links - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timmy_Fellows & en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ThatSkynyrdKid_70

-MetallicaMan800 (talk) 14:22, 26 June 2016 (UTC)

@MetallicaMan800: As I mentioned on your talk page, the way to be included in the list -- and the way to have an article in general -- is to provide evidence that there's been significant coverage of you in reliable sources. As Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, it has a standard called "notability". Basically, we defer to other reliable sources to determine what's important. That means we don't include some important thing if they aren't covered extensively elsewhere. As I am not an admin, I can't see deleted articles, but I can see the deletion reason: "No credible indication of importance (individuals, animals, organizations, web content, events)". THat usually means the article was just included on Wikipedia for the sake of promotion or including on Wikipedia, or otherwise doesn't make a credible claim for why it's important. Wikipedia has a long list of things that it its not, and yellow pages, linkfarm, directory, platform for promotion, etc. are all in there.
Also, Wikipedia has rather strict rules about conflict of interest editing. It's a bad idea to create articles about yourself or promote yourself on Wikipedia. It's impossible to be neutral about oneself. The idea is, if something or someone is notable, others will create the article in due time. Sorry. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 14:31, 26 June 2016 (UTC)
Template:Ping:Rhododendrites Oh. Well, if it has to be like that, then I should tell you that I have been sent 1 fanmail. Yeah, I know it's so fricking lousy, but like I said previously, I have 112 subscribers on my channel. And I'll let you check out my channel and see if it's significant enough to be featured on the list. http://www.youtube.com/c/TimmyFellows Again, thanks in advance if you can help. :) Also, here is the link to the ThatSkynyrdKid 70 article on the Wayback Machine, which I captured before it was deleted.: http://web.archive.org/web/20151026155739/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ThatSkynyrdKid_70 MetallicaMan800 (talk) 15:06, 27 June 2016 (UTC)

You may kowtow at any time, and showering of gifts would not be amiss if you wish to curry favor...[edit]

Blatant facetiousness in the title aside, the Straightgrain SPI is a perfect example of why I keep at things that I feel are problematic. Something very small ended up being the key to a much bigger issue that was unrelated to the original indicator. MSJapan (talk) 19:07, 28 June 2016 (UTC)

  • @MSJapan: I'm not quite sure I know what yo mean. Given recent history should I take this to relate to my message about Kvng? — Rhododendrites talk \\ 20:19, 28 June 2016 (UTC)

Fiverr[edit]

Can't this be reverted back to the last version instead of deleted? It has attracted a lot of paid editors but that doesn't mean it should be deleted. Mark Schierbecker (talk) 20:12, 28 June 2016 (UTC)

  • @Mark Schierbecker: I apologize. One of the socks imported and translated articles from other Wikipedias (e.g. Wok to Walk). I saw that one of his/her edit summaries on this article said something along the lines of "translated from the German article" and I mistakenly thought it was one of them. I see now that this was not the case -- that many other users have contributed a lot of content to this article over a much longer period so I've removed the prod and simply rolled back a few edits. Sorry for the confusion. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 20:21, 28 June 2016 (UTC)
Ah, okay. That makes more sense. I figured something like that happened. Regards, Mark Schierbecker (talk) 07:19, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

Topic bans[edit]

If I become aware that an editor is violating existing topic bans for the umpteenth time that were imposed almost 5+ years ago and for which the editor has been blocked for violating multiple times over the years, what's the first step I should take? I've never reported anyone for anything before, but I don't want to waste more time on the talkpage, because I feel like we're not having the same conversation and I can see in talkpage archives on other articles that almost identical circular conversations have been going on for the past 5 years and they never get anywhere. PermStrump(talk) 11:30, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

  • @Permstrump: As an admin, David Gerard might have the better answer. I think I see what you're talking about. It looks like a fairly straightforward violation. If you want to be unnecessarily nice, you could leave an umpteenth+1 warning and see if he backs off. My next step after that would probably be to send a message to the most recent blocking admin, who also closed one of those threads that resulted in a topic ban, and who is still active. My guess is that would be all you need to do. Otherwise, however, it would be a matter of gathering the links to the topic bans, plenty of diffs worth of evidence, diffs making clear he should know this is a violation, and taking it all to ANI. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 13:11, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
    • Yeah, the N+1 warning shows your willingness to work with people even when annoyed and won't delay anything more than a day or two - David Gerard (talk) 17:23, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
      • @David Gerard: and Rhododendrites: Thanks for the advice. When you put it that way... I suppose I should make one attempt to be "unnecessarily" nice and give a N+1 warning (I think I figured out what that is from the context) the next time their editing is disruptive. :) PermStrump(talk) 04:57, 30 June 2016 (UTC)

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FYI[edit]

Hello R. I hope that you are well. Thanks for your posts about Simpleshow. It took me a couple seconds to figure our why the link you posted here Wikipedia:No original research/Noticeboard#Simpleshow foundation didn't go to the discussion and then I saw that it was at ANI and not AN - I've made that mistake in the past :-) I added the correct link but you may want to fix yours as well. Cheers. MarnetteD|Talk 01:40, 6 July 2016 (UTC)

@MarnetteD: Whoopsiedaisy. Thanks. Fixed. If only someone could explain noticeboards with a nice cartoony video. :) — Rhododendrites talk \\ 01:48, 6 July 2016 (UTC)
OK that is laugh out loud funny :-D I'm glad that I could help. MarnetteD|Talk 01:50, 6 July 2016 (UTC)

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Thank you for articles about Cambodian rock[edit]

I am overjoyed to see the new articles you did covering Cambodian rock from its golden age in the 60s. The story of Yol Aularong is particularly tragic--he is one of the great martyrs of rock & roll. I want to put a mention of him (and the Cambodian scene) in the international section of the Garage rock article. India had a big garage band thing too. I'd like to do some research to find out more about American musicians who had been in garage bands that got drafted and died in the Viet Nam War. I know that Saigon had an active rock scene in the 60s. Garagepunk66 (talk) 21:07, 14 July 2016 (UTC)

@Garagepunk66: Thanks for the note. I wish I could've found more on Aularong. Maybe your knowledge of sources in the subject will turn up some more of what remains. My own exposure to this sort of music came from stumbling upon the Love, Peace & Poetry series as a random record store buy and, more specifically, someone introducing me to Cambodian Rocks, which remains one of my favorite albums. The Aularong article came about while I was working on that one.
As an aside, I was trying to remember who it was at this radio station I used to work/volunteer at that first told me about Cambodian Rocks. One possibility it someone whose show I'm reminded of and is worth mentioning, as I'm pretty sure he's still going some 12ish years later. It's a small community station so there's flexibility for very focused/obscure content, and his was a weekly 60s/70s psychedelic, garage, and progrock show, usually on a theme. I should really try to get him to edit Wikipedia, because he loves to talk about the stuff anyway :) I imagine you already know plenty of the sort, but if you're bored sometime he has a bunch of old shows here. :) — Rhododendrites talk \\ 21:50, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
I found out about 60s Cambodian rock when I went to see the Don’t Think I’ve Forgotten documentary. It was so sad what the Khamer rouge did to that country and what happened to Yol Aularong. I was actually thinking about possibley doing an article on him, but I was having trouble finding good sources. But, thank God you came to the rescue and found the piece from the New York Times and did the articles. I feel that it is so important that this wonderful music be brought to people's attention. In the last year I've been working on an expansion on the Garage rock article, and one thing I have tried to do is add more coverage of the international musicians, including those in the far East. And, thanks for the streams--I'm going to give them a good long listen! Thanks. Garagepunk66 (talk) 22:20, 14 July 2016 (UTC)

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Re: Reference spacing[edit]

I don't quite understand the distinction you are making about which templates count as being "in the text"; it's all "text" once you are in the edit window. I find any template being bunched up into a single line like that completely unreadable.

Do you really find x|gdsgdGD=i|sdfsdf=l|ffswsd=o|dfaaDD=V|D=E|ffsdg=u more human readable than

|gdsgdGD=i

|sdfsdf=l

|ffswsd=o

|dfaaDD=V

|D=E

|ffsdg=u

? Because I can understand right-side of the second version's equations right away; hell, anyone who has seen a 3rd grade chalkboard before can get that right away. I'm baffled by the argument that the first version more editable than the second version. If I needed to change it to "ihaTEu" I feel like in the second version I could do it blindfolded.

If it was your first day on Wikipedia, which version would you honestly find more accesible?

Still, same as you, I'm likewise unaware of anything MOS specific to this. But much like the argument between the use of British versus American dates, in this particular instance I've planted my flag first. :) -- Kendrick7talk 01:49, 4 August 2016 (UTC)

@Kendrick7: By "in the text" I mean inline, in the middle of article prose, as opposed to at the very top or bottom of the article. The infobox is apart from the actual text, sitting on top of everything, for example, but an inline citation sits right in the middle of a sentence, paragraph, section, etc. So that we have:
Here we break a<ref>{{cite web
|first1=Bob
|last1=Smith
|first2=Julia
|last2=Miller
|work=Paper
|date=5 May 5555
|title=Stuff
|url=example.com
}}</ref> a thought by adding a big block in between.
Doing the same thing<ref>{{cite web|first1=Bob|last1=Smith|first2=Julie|last2=Miller|work=Paper|date=5 May 5555|title=Stuff|url=example.com}}</ref> this way keeps the sentence, paragraph, or section as close together as possible, making it easier to navigate through the page and easier to spot problems like the fact that my example above has an extra "a". (Though the error was probably easy to spot in this case -- a poor attempt at being clever -- separating it, especially when citations make it so the first part and second part of a block of text can't even be in the same editing window without scrolling, does make that sort of thing easier to miss).
Citation templates can be cumbersome and do hurt the readability of the raw wikitext no matter what, so I think it's a matter of minimizing that disruption. For those who don't like to work with them directly -- and to answer your question about my first day on Wikipedia -- there's the Visual Editor. There are also tools like ProveIt, etc. which make citation templates more user friendly for people who don't like to deal with the clunky wikitext templates.
While it's true that the template itself is easier to read if spread out over many lines, the opposite is true for the rest of the text, and I don't think the benefit to template readability is worth the detriment to prose readability.
Personally, in most articles I start I use list-defined references, keeping the template code as far away from the rest of the article as possible. One possible compromise would be to use that style combined with spread out citations. That way they're still readable, but don't break up the article text. For whatever that's worth.. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 03:11, 4 August 2016 (UTC)
tl;dr The only thing I got out of skimming your edit was something about Bob Smith and Julia Miller. Are they going to be OK?
But it's been a long day and I'll try to delve more tomorrow.... -- Kendrick7talk 04:30, 4 August 2016 (UTC)
OK, OK, now ICWUDT, but the old "double 'the' with a line break" is the oldest unspottable typo in the book thereof. (Hard to google up the canonical example, but, meh, this one tries.[2]) No one is putting refs immediately after indefinite articles in real life.
I have more to say, but speaking of real life.... -- Kendrick7talk 12:28, 4 August 2016 (UTC)
No one is putting refs immediately after indefinite articles in real life. Fair. Let's skip over that trick, then. It was just another reason that came to me while I was writing -- not actually part of my own motivation. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 13:04, 4 August 2016 (UTC)
Perhaps it basically comes down to how one's eyes are trained to skim through things and readability at least on my end. In the past I've had a distinct feeling that veteran Wikpedians bunch up refs on purpose just to make it so new editors can't join the club (again, we decidedly don't bunch up infoboxes and other templates in this way), but you make a fair counter-argument. And, yes, there's a reason scribes invented footnotes a long time ago, and it would be possible to make all refs into them as you pointed out, but that's hard to maintain. If some style-wise consensus could ever be reached either way it wouldn't be too hard to make a bot to sort it all out. -- Kendrick7talk 06:05, 14 August 2016 (UTC)
@Kendrick7: Fair enough. I maintain that the Visual Editor (which has come a long, long way in the last few years, if you haven't used it recently) goes a long way to neutralize reference styles in wikicode being a barrier to participation. That's not to say it's not still an issue, of course. Maybe I'm an outlier in this, but for me it's the only citation template style I've encountered that, if required, would probably act as a minor deterrent to editing a particular article. Maybe the reverse is true for my preferred formats (e.g. named references at the bottom). — Rhododendrites talk \\ 14:05, 14 August 2016 (UTC)

The Signpost: 04 August 2016[edit]

Why?[edit]

Just...why?... :'( Parsley Man (talk) 00:50, 5 August 2016 (UTC)

Rhododendrites (and @NeilN:) Parsley Man seems to be behaving erratically at Talk:Khizr and Ghazala Khan, exhibiting the same NOTHERE behaviors that have twice gotten him blocked. pbp 01:30, 5 August 2016 (UTC)
I'm a wild card. :) Parsley Man (talk) 02:05, 5 August 2016 (UTC)
Parsley Man, become more of a straight shooter please. --NeilN talk to me 14:11, 5 August 2016 (UTC)
Yeah, being a wild card isn't something to be proud of. pbp 17:12, 5 August 2016 (UTC)

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August 17: WikiWednesday Salon and Skill-Share NYC[edit]

Wednesday Auugust 17, 7pm: WikiWednesday Salon and Skill-Share NYC
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You are invited to join the Wikimedia NYC community for our monthly "WikiWednesday" evening salon (7-9pm) and knowledge-sharing workshop at Babycastles gallery by 14th Street / Union Square in Manhattan.

Featuring special guest presentations on WikiVerse and Bringing Wikipedia to the Last Mile.

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The Signpost: 18 August 2016[edit]

Khan revert[edit]

rest assured my friend we shall be assessing arguments at a later date, right now I'm busy with others but will exert special effort to make time for you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikkileaker (talkcontribs) 21:07, 23 August 2016 (UTC)

@Wikkileaker: Ok. But when I said "assessing arguments", it was about the arguments Khan presented (or those his comments were based on), not yours or mine. Mine is summed up over at WP:SYNTH and WP:WEIGHT (I know it's annoying to throw wikijargon out there, but they're pretty important). In an article about X, we report what sources say about X. If X says something about Y, then we can include sources which talk about what X says about Y (including when reliable sources say X was wrong), but bringing in some source about Y is considered synthesis. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 21:14, 23 August 2016 (UTC)

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Declan Masterson article.[edit]

Dear Rhododendrites, Face-smile.svg
I apologise for interrupting your break; this is simply a courtesy notice, re: our earlier discussions on 2 March and 14 May 2015, to let you know that I have now (finally...) completed the development task, created the article today (Declan Masterson) and added a new entry for him in the List of bagpipers.
Thank you once again for your helpful advice at the time of our earlier exchange, and please don't feel obligated to reply.
With kind regards;
Patrick. ツ Pdebee.(talk)(guestbook) 23:27, 25 August 2016 (UTC)

@Pdebee: Excellent! :) Have you considered submitting it for WP:DYK? — Rhododendrites talk \\ 17:14, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
Dear Rhododendrites, Face-smile.svg
Thank you for interrupting your break to reply. I never think about DYK, and your suggestion seems to indicate that I should in this case. I have therefore read, for the first time, the page you so kindly linked above, and have concluded that the present article will not qualify, because it fails this condition:
a. For DYK purposes, a "new" article is no more than seven days old, and may not consist of text spun off from a pre-existing article.
Reason is that I cribbed existing content from the Moving Hearts and Mozaik articles, prior to pruning it to the bare minimum required in order to remain on topic. I am sure DYK reviewers would be thorough in applying this guideline, as they should. Also, I can't help thinking the article is still a bit borderline, because I couldn't find Masterson's birth date anywhere and also, as we discussed before, there aren't very many sources documenting his career, and most of them parrot each other. Therefore, I will pass on this occasion, although I am pleased you brought DYK to my attention, as I will consider it for future articles I may write.
Thank you once again for all your helpful assistance, and please keep well. Face-smile.svg
With kind regards for now;
Patrick. ツ Pdebee.(talk)(guestbook) 20:09, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
@Pdebee: The idea of that rule, I believe, is to rule out those articles that are entirely spun out -- taking a section of one page and creating a new article for it. Many topics are expected to summarize other articles without necessarily being spin outs themselves. If you paraphrase the material taken from the two other articles and perhaps add/modify to focus more on Masterson, I don't think it would be a problem. The 7-day rule is a hard line, though, so if you think you might want to nominate it my advice would be to dive in and create the nomination first -- it'll take a little while for someone to get to it to conduct a review and the worst thing that'll happen is it gets declined. Best case scenario, your work is featured on the main page :) A caveat, though: I've been through the DYK process several times, but I'm not an expert with regard to procedural nuance, so don't take what I say as gospel :) — Rhododendrites talk \\ 16:54, 30 August 2016 (UTC)
Dear Rhododendrites, Face-smile.svg
Thank you for interrupting your break to assist some more; you're always so good at demystifying the guidelines and revealing their subtleties... As soon as I read your cogent explanation, the true intent of that specific condition made abundant sense; thanks once again! Face-smile.svg
I hope you won't think me churlish, but I'll pass this time, as I still don't feel comfortable about the fact the article is a bit borderline, IMHO; I feel somewhat frustrated about not finding his birth date anywhere, but hay-ho.
Also, I daresay Wikignomes tend to be a little shy of the glare of the limelight—which might help to explain why they're often found hiding behind giant mushrooms, or in the shade of globe-shaped Wikilogos... Face-wink.svg
With kind regards for now;
Patrick. ツ Pdebee.(talk)(guestbook) 08:52, 31 August 2016 (UTC)
No worries, of course. It would be great if everyone had high standards for content prior to nominating something to appear on the main page (most DYKs are great, but it has also had a few issues with poor quality and even incorrect information). Keep it in mind for some future article and let me know if you want a hand with the nomination process. It's actually pretty straightforward, but the long pages of instructions and guides can be deceptively intimidating. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 12:23, 31 August 2016 (UTC)
P.S. I would have called you 'Ryan', but didn't, since you always sign as 'Rhododendrites'. (How does Gerda find these things out, I ask myself?!) Face-wink.svg
In this case, it was easy: user page. Sometimes an earlier version of that has it, where I always look when the user page is not informative, surprising many users were less cautious about information in their early days. - It's nothing I'd search for, I rather look at contribs, especially articles. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:19, 31 August 2016 (UTC)
Dear Gerda, Face-wink.svg
Well, I hadn't looked at Ryan's user page for a long time and therefore had forgotten it displayed his full name! So, the standard of observational skills is definitely dropping fast in the ranks of our Wikignomes! Seriously, though: I simply wanted to pay you a compliment about how good you are at managing the 'Precious' initiative; thank you once more for all you do for our community, and our encyclopedia. Face-smile.svg
With kind regards;
Patrick. ツ Pdebee.(talk)(guestbook) 09:46, 31 August 2016 (UTC)
Thank you, taken. I wonder when the Precious page will be up for deletion. Another project page, as Ryan kindly notified on the project talk. It's these little gnomish things that I like! - If you look at my talk: our latest happy pic! (more permanently here) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:54, 31 August 2016 (UTC)
Dear Gerda, Face-smile.svg
That looks like one very happy choir; well done! And thank you for sharing.
With kind regards;
Patrick. ツ Pdebee.(talk)(guestbook) 10:04, 31 August 2016 (UTC)
Going to sing one the greatest pieces (last Saturday), to be repeated on Saturday, - and here people think my only interest are infoboxes, sadly ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:12, 31 August 2016 (UTC)
I agree with Patrick that your dedication to fostering community via Precious et al. is both valuable and admirable. Thanks for that (not just the one below). :) BTW taking a listen to Der 100. Psalm as I type this. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 12:23, 31 August 2016 (UTC)

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Precious[edit]

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Thank you for quality articles such as Becoming Jimi Hendrix and Khizr and Ghazala Khan, for your work managing for the education foundation, for dealing with articles for deletion including proper notifications, for thinking about "absolutely obvious", for images, - Ryan, you are an awesome Wikipedian!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:13, 30 August 2016 (UTC)

@Gerda Arendt: Thank you! It makes me happy to see this surprising set of examples highlighted. Lest I take too much credit, I should say that while I'm a program manager at Wiki Ed, I don't manage the foundation itself. :) Thanks again! — Rhododendrites talk \\ 17:09, 30 August 2016 (UTC)

Books & Bytes - Issue 18[edit]

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Issue 18, June–July 2016
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  • New donations - Edinburgh University Press, American Psychological Association, Nomos (a German-language database), and more!
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Why do you like Metapedia so much?[edit]

It's a fascist, neo-Nazi site, yet you keep including it[3] where it doesn't belong, alongside legitimate general reference encyclopedias. What's your deal? Do you hate minorities? Sole Flounder (talk) 13:09, 5 September 2016 (UTC)

@Sole Flounder: If you want to have a conversation about content, do it on the talk page. Stop with the personal attacks, edit warring, and trolling, and do not post to my talk page again. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 13:59, 5 September 2016 (UTC)

New article improvement drives[edit]

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H+Pedia[edit]

Hi there, as a member of Wikiproject transhumanism, I thought you might want to check out the latest on H+Pedia which now has a revamped home page as an introduction point. :) https://hpluspedia.org/wiki/Main_Page Deku-shrub (talk) 21:33, 6 September 2016 (UTC)

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September 14: WikiWednesday Salon / Wikimedia NYC Annual Meeting[edit]

Wednesday September 14, 7pm: WikiWednesday Salon / Wikimedia NYC Annual Meeting
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You are invited to join the Wikimedia NYC community for our evening "WikiWednesday" salon and knowledge-sharing workshop by 14th Street / Union Square in Manhattan.

This month will also feature on our agenda, upcoming editathons, the organization's Annual Meeting, and Chapter board elections.

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Deletion of notable alumni at SUNY New Paltz page?[edit]

Hi. Sorry, I reverted your deletion, because I'm unfamiliar with the rule you quoted? DavidHobby (talk) 03:35, 12 September 2016 (UTC)

@DavidHobby: Hi there. Sorry, I reinstated the edit before seeing you left a message, or I would've replied first. The most relevant guideline is WP:ALUMNI, which itself draws on WP:LISTPEOPLE. "All alumni information must be referenced. [including] a citation to a) verify that they did indeed attend the school, and b) [verify the short description following their name on the list]". If they have an article, the citations can be in the article rather than in the list. "Per Wikipedia:Bio#Lists of people, alumni to be included must meet Wikipedia notability criteria." So interpreting all this wikijargon, the most lax interpretation of the guidelines is that someone could be included if they don't have an article as long as sufficient sources are included showing notability (which requires significant coverage in reliable sources independent of the subject, so usually multiple citations to articles/books/high-quality web articles which cover the person in some depth) and a source showing they attended the school. In practice, the overwhelming majority of lists of people simply go by the "need to have an article" rule. It's nothing personal with regard to those people I removed, I assure you. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 03:43, 12 September 2016 (UTC)

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@MusikAnimal: Sounds good. Thanks! — Rhododendrites talk \\ 04:38, 14 September 2016 (UTC)

Why aren't you an admin?[edit]

Prompted by your recent note on my talk page, I came to the realization that you're not an admin. I'm curious why not? You've been around a while, certainly seem to have a clue, haven't done anything that I can recall which would make me think you're an idiot, etc. So, if you're interested, I'd be happy to nominate you. -- RoySmith (talk) 23:49, 14 September 2016 (UTC)

@RoySmith: Thanks for the offer. As much as I feel reasonably qualified, and think I'd make good use of the tools, I've no real desire for power and I'm not keen on setting aside a week to spend running back and forth through the RfA gauntlet to get consent to help out in new ways. It's a problematic perspective, I know, given the problems people have faced trying to reform RfA and the need for more admins. There are other non-minor factors, too, but that's the big one. I've been wondering about the likelihood of success for an experimental RfA in which I have several respected co-nominators and then decline to answer any questions other than the basic starting set. Some people would, no doubt, be annoyed, but if successful I imagine that model might be appealing to people with a similar perspective. I don't know -- not something I'm thinking about for the immediate future regardless. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 17:09, 17 September 2016 (UTC)
(by talk page stalker) @Rhododendrites: While I think not answering some of the questions is a valid strategy I'd be wary of not answering any questions, at all. That said, Wikipedia wants mop pushers to work backlogs. If that's something you're willing to do the optional RfA candidate poll could at least give you a third opinion and highlight some of your issues. Chris Troutman (talk) 17:26, 17 September 2016 (UTC)

I certainly can understand your distaste of the RfA process, and can't blame you. I thought my own RfA (10+ years ago at this point) was kind of absurd, and it looks like it's been downhill since then. The last person I nominated, although they did get approved, the process was so acrimonious, I felt embarrassed I had put my candidate through that. Maybe, instead of being a rogue admin, I should run for bureaucrat, and go rogue in that position, appointing admins as I see fit :-) -- RoySmith (talk) 19:08, 17 September 2016 (UTC)

DYK for Alice Gray[edit]

Updated DYK query.svg On 17 September 2016, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Alice Gray, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the entomologist Alice Gray became known as the "Bug Lady" for her work with the public at the American Museum of Natural History? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Alice Gray. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Alice Gray), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

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Dates[edit]

Feel free to revert if you wish, I have no massive inclination either way. I also prefer DMY generally but US articles (other than military) have MDY. GiantSnowman 09:24, 18 September 2016 (UTC)

@GiantSnowman: Well that's sort of my question. I wouldn't interpret someone from the US as having "strong national ties" to the US (to the extent there are "strong national ties" there must be "weak national ties" and "average national ties"), which is why I say politicians as one example, but an entomologist not so much. Again, not a big deal, but I don't have much experience in these sorts of matters so don't know what's typical. It sounds like you're saying "strong national ties" could be "a national tie". — Rhododendrites talk \\ 13:59, 18 September 2016 (UTC)

Comix[edit]

As the editor says, a group of comic lovers are using box.com, a cloud provider, to store their comics. Clearly a copyvio link by an editor with copyvio problems in the past. Doug Weller talk 15:11, 19 September 2016 (UTC)

@Doug Weller: Is this in response to my AGF-related comments? Indeed I did not notice copyvio problems in the past. Regardless, I don't disagree in any way, which is why I had removed all of the links. :) — Rhododendrites talk \\ 15:25, 19 September 2016 (UTC)
Yes it was. Have you removed all thelinks? I'm struggling with my iPad while waiting for a new router/modem from my ISP. Doug Weller talk 15:32, 19 September 2016 (UTC)
@Doug Weller: Yes, all but Star Trek (comics) where it's used as a source rather than in the external links section. I know that doesn't actually exempt it, but I was sort of hoping someone would replace it with a citation of the comic (mentioned at ELN) -- and if not, I'll do it later. Also didn't remove it from fair use file pages. What do you think of that? Where the actual author is given, but the url for where the image was found is a copyright violation? Seems to me like it falls in with the fair use claim, but maybe I'm wrong. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 15:38, 19 September 2016 (UTC)
Thanks. I don't think we can use it for fair use files either. Maybe give me an example and I'll nominate it for deletion, or you could. That should settle the matter. Doug Weller talk 16:06, 19 September 2016 (UTC)
@Doug Weller: I'm worried about the implications for that. As long as we're crediting the author and acknowledging it's a non-free fair use scenario, the URL where the file came from (in the source field) seems like it could be from anywhere. If not, I think there would be a lot of files that would need to be deleted, and I'm not keen to be the one to start that. An out-of-print book cover, for example, likely won't have any official site to get it from, so we might have to grab an image we find from a blog we find via random Google Image search, or from some commercial site like abebooks or amazon. Doesn't mean we credit them as the author, but as the source of the file. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 17:09, 20 September 2016 (UTC)
For the sake of example, though, File:Smokeystover113041.jpg. Looks like they were all uploaded by the same user, Pepso2 (inactive over the last couple years though). In looking at where non-free files I've uploaded came from, File:Cover of Richard Brautigan's June 30th, June 30th.jpg is from abebooks and File:Cambodian Rocks album cover.jpg is from emusic. Is the difference between those and the comix archive that we are deeming the comix archive not to have any fair use claim, but a bookseller would? What if abebooks/amazon had images of the interior of a comic book in its preview. Perhaps the interior (vs. the cover) is the big point. I'm jumping around because of my own uncertainties rather than because I'm trying to circumscribe a point, btw. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 17:17, 20 September 2016 (UTC)
Pinging @Diannaa, Fuhghettaboutit, and MER-C: to see if they can help. Diannaa's away for a few days though. Doug Weller talk 18:16, 20 September 2016 (UTC)
Hey guys and gals. Take a look at the footnote to to the external links policy (which I added some time back but which was discussed and kept in). That is, we may not link to copyvios in citations either. This does not mean we must remove the citation. Links to online versions are a convenience but not necessary. The fact that we were able to access the source to verify the information by looking at a copyvio notwithstanding, if we can't find an online, non-infringing url to point to, this can be converted to a citation to the paper source and left in (and then we can use cite book and add things like its oclc number by looking it up on Worldcat and so forth).

Yes, it certainly becomes complicated when we consider that maybe the big movers and shakers like Abebooks, Amazon etc. may be casually violating copyright themselves. I would note that both of these, however, provided limited file sizes, at least when they show a cover next to a listing, though at Amazon they sometimes allow you to "look inside" and then they show a much higher resolution version of the cover. These large sellers may very well also have a licensing agreement with the publishers/owners that covers use of their copyrighted material for marketing purposes. We can discount for the cloud page as vanishingly unlikely. I know it may seem a bit of a fine point but providing a non-linking URL that can be copied and then pasted into your browser, versus providing a hyperlink that can be just clicked on to link, are not quite the same things – the access to the copyvio source is made less direct. It might be a good idea when a file description page disclose the source and we think it might be a copyvio, but we're not sure enough to want to remove the link entirely, to make the link non-working by taking it out of brackets and using nowiki tags. By the way, I would think File:Smokeystover113041.jpg needs to be reduced in size in order to not violate fair use.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 23:26, 20 September 2016 (UTC)

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Game pronouns[edit]

Just saw Losing Chess drift past on my watchlist (which I'd forgotten about, and which is still written using "he") - did anything happen with your suggested pump RFC for pronouns in game articles, in the end? --McGeddon (talk) 10:45, 27 September 2016 (UTC)

@McGeddon: Short answer is no, nothing happened that I know of, but I haven't been watching anywhere but that article, either. Sorry. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 14:48, 28 September 2016 (UTC)

Follow up to an edit of yours[edit]

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(Also, do you think the "wikibreak" notice at the top of this page may be overdue for reconsideration?) The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 14:32, 28 September 2016 (UTC)
@JamesBWatson: Ack! Thanks for fixing. The Wikibreak is good intentions. I cleared my watchlist but obviously haven't stuck to it. I kept it there for motivation and to make it so when I do go on a break in the near future ("for real"), I won't feel obliged to come back to add a message like that. Maybe the more appropriate thing would be "Status: It's complicated". :) — Rhododendrites talk \\ 14:46, 28 September 2016 (UTC)
OK, I understand, and sympathise. The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 14:48, 28 September 2016 (UTC)