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Music

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Been thinking recently about how much Wikipedia does act as a social network, and how valuable that can be. Articles aren't social media, of course, but Wikipedia is an encyclopedia and a community, and healthy volunteer communities need to foster forms of communication that aren't strictly "talking shop". In that spirit, how about some music talk. Might just be me sharing, but who knows.

What I'm listening to

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Occasionally sharing songs/albums that I find myself listening to repeatedly. Starting this at the end of 2022, so here's what I've been listening to this year. And yeah, it's all over the place.

January 2025

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  • Rebel Girl by Bikini Kill (spotify youtube). Kathleen Hanna is the coolest. Bikini Kill is a band that makes it into my regular rotation every few years. This time it was because Hanna did an interview with Marc Maron. One thing I remember from the interview: when she formed Bikini Kill there were a lot of really macho, kind of misogynistic hardcore bands (assuming maybe Cro-Mags? Agnostic Front?). As she started getting booked (or doing the booking), she'd talk about the various bands playing a show and, if one of those hardcore bands were in there, just refer to them as "stand-up comedy".
  • I Keep Forgettin' by Michael McDonald (spotify youtube). Smooth.
  • Damaged Goods by Gang of Four (spotify youtube). I remember giving Gang of Four a shot a long time ago, and it just didn't work for me, but when I came across this track recentl, something about their [kind of simple] funk-punk was just super infectious -- hard not to move around a bit.
  • Cirice by Ghost (spotify youtube). Ghost is basically what would happen if you took a metal band straight out of the late-80s/early-90s and put a theater kid in front. This particular track leans a little more metal than e.g. Mary on a Cross, but the theater is still there.
  • Never Fight a Man with a Perm by Idles (spotify youtube). If you took an angry, violent Peaky Blinders villain, gave him a punk band, and caught him in a moment of loud, slightly drunk criticism of the hypermasculine culture he's part of... you'd have this track.
  • Sweetest Kill by Broken Social Scene (spotify youtube). We're a long ways from the days when I felt like I *should* like Broken Social Scene, so this one snuck up on me. Don't remember how I came across it, but the melody is just so catchy and patient and satisfying.

February 2026

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  • La Vita by Beverly Glenn-Copeland (youtube spotify). Hooked by the opening mix of percussion and operatic vocals, but it's the earnest, wise lyrics that follow that make this something special. It's hard not to get a tiny bit emotional from the switch from rapid stresses of daily life to "my mother says to me, enjoy your life". It's the kind of song that makes me feel a little old for liking, but also wishing I'd heard it sooner.
  • Taxes by Geese (youtube spotify). I heard someone compare Cameron Winters' voice to cilantro in that it just tastes like soap to some people. That's probably right, but it works for me. King of a mix of Tim Buckley, Alec Ounsworth, and Julian Casablancas, frequently affected to be warbly or abrasive. Anyway, their album Getting Killed is the first indie rock album I've enjoyed (apart from a single here and there) in some time, and Taxes was the first song I heard from it.
  • No Save Point by Run the Jewels (youtube spotify). Run the Jewels brand of boastful insult rap is always good, and their songs tend to work or not based on the music behind them, which can sometimes lean a little to hard into annoying samples or beats that seem a bit too straightforward. The title says this is from Cyberpunk 2077, so presumably they're working with samples from the game, and it winds up working.
  • Fire by Kasabian (youtube spotify). Ok, this was a huge hit and I'm late to it. The transition from sparse country-like verses to the big, anthemic chorus is just basic music fun.
  • The Logical Song by Supertramp (youtube spotify). Apparently my most listened to song this year. Sometimes a song that's been in the background for basically my whole life pops out and I think "what is that song", look it up, and can't stop listening to it. It happened with I Keep Forgettin' last year, and I guess this was the year of Supertramp.
  • Mama Got the Blues by C. W. Stoneking (youtube spotify). That voice has no right coming out of that man, but it's just such a good blues voice, with production that makes it believably sound 80 years older.

What I should be listening to (and what you're listening to)

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Open to anyone.

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Wonderful work

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Great work on Book banning in the United States (2021–present). I saw The Librarians (2025 film) last night, such a powerful and timely piece. My most beloved article still haunts my dreams. No Swan So Fine (talk) 08:24, 10 October 2025 (UTC)Reply

@No Swan So Fine: Archiving my page and realized I never responded to this. Thank you for your message. That article has gotten away from me a bit since I started it. Used this as an opportunity to go in and fix it up a bit just now. Lost literary work is a wonderful topic, and an article that could use help. Can't promise anything, but if you get around to it and want help, give me a ping. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 17:50, 9 September 2026 (UTC)Reply

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January music

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story · music · places

happy new year! - inviting you to check out "my" story (fun listen today, full of surprises), music (and memory), and places (pictured by me: the latest uploads) any day! -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:06, 10 January 2026 (UTC)Reply

20 January is the 100th birthday of David Tudor (see my story) and the 300th birthday of Bach's cantata Meine Seufzer, meine Tränen, BWV 13, if we go by date instead of occasion as he would have thought, so see my story for last Sunday, and celebrate ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:32, 20 January 2026 (UTC)Reply

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Hi Rhododendrites, your lengthy reply to the Signpost Special Report was well written contained a lot of good points, thought I might reply/inquire here as that page has devolved. I made a very similar point on the great divergence framing when this was discussed in Discord, although I focused more on the different expectations regarding what "being online" means when for so many people it means having a phone with Facebook and WhatsApp apps etc. However, you have a different impression of the community's response than I do. I feel the community has responded very slowly to the topic of llms. Rather than instinctively respond to the topic like an allergy, it did very little. The few llm-related policies and guidelines we have were produced after extremely slow and very contested procedures. We have a backlog of llm article text that is becoming just another forever-filled maintenance category. Reactions on ANI tend to be stronger, but that is usually because the AI exacerbates communication issues. (And away from en.wiki I have definitely not seen an allergy in some other projects or in WMF/meta, but this may be off-topic to your post.) I am thus curious as to the factors that brought you towards a very different impression. Best, CMD (talk) 00:45, 19 January 2026 (UTC)Reply

Hi Chipmunkdavis. My impression is that while we be a little slow to formally implement concrete policies and guidelines, the reality on the ground is that any use of LLMs for writing articles, talk page messages, or just about anything brings quite strong pushback. I agree that other projects, and especially Meta and in-person events, have seen a lot more interest in LLM experimentation. But to actually implement any of those on enwp seems like a fool's errand. I remember that time there was some sort of ... game, maybe? ... that the WMF promoted using an image that a bunch of English Wikipedians were certain was AI-generated, leading to much fury until it was revealed that no, it was created by a human. That's just to say I see a lot of skepticism and cynicism towards any generative AI use, but especially on talk/project pages and especially associated with the WMF.
I'm surprised that there's a backlog of LLM article text, though. When there's no doubt about it being LLM-generated, is it controversial to just undo/remove it? Or is the challenge that it's suspected LLM-generated text that needs to be more carefully scrutinized? — Rhododendrites talk \\ 16:25, 20 January 2026 (UTC)Reply
Thanks. I would say while on the ground there is sometimes very strong pushback, it tends to be inconsistent. A lot of the WMF-associated furor is likely backlash due to the simple article summary experiment and its being revealed as scheduled deployment. I don't know if similar experiments were tried on other projects. (I remember that AI-image incident, and to my knowledge the final conclusion was that it was probably AI-generated but we don't actually know as the WMF staff in charge of the game was not the creator.)
We do have a lot of AI-written content scattered around and repeated opposition to even tagging it. There are challenges both to undoing/removing (eg. 'should be assessed on merit') and as to whether it is llm text or not, the second one being a particular effective way of bogging everything down. We have very recently become much more effective as a community at deleting fully AI-generated articles, but that came after a few years of inaction and disputes, and other edits remain harder to manage and assess. CMD (talk) 02:23, 21 January 2026 (UTC)Reply
@Chipmunkdavis: late reply, sorry: and repeated opposition to even tagging it - This is, again, really surprising. What is the objection to tagging? Like it is disputed because "no, it's not LLM-generated" or because "LLM-generated content is ok"? What about the use of detection systems? I know they're imperfect, and I think I was initially skeptical, but let's say I'm coming around. :) It looked like Wiki Ed had some success with Pangram. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 03:59, 15 February 2026 (UTC)Reply
No problem. Both of those objections have been raised in various discussions. The first one can be resolved by community discussion and usually by editing the text in question if specific problems are identified. The second one is trickier, as there are different community feelings on the less obviously problematic LLM-written text. The Wikipedia:The World Destubathon for example, was won using an LLM to generate articles. Another objection I've seen not uncommonly raised is that the tag is vague and doesn't point to specific textual problems that can be fixed. The tag has had |reason and |partial parameters added in recent months to help make the tag more useful in this respect.
That said, the tag does exist and is used. Detection systems on the other hand seem to lack any positive consensus; every time they are raised it is common for "detection systems aren't perfect" to pop up almost immediately, sometimes accompanied by "the irony of using an LLM to accuse someone else of using an LLM" or similar. In typical en.wiki fashion, it is community consensus over whether something is llm-written that seems to shift most threads on specific examples (especially on AN/I). I personally found the WikiEd claimed false positive rate of 0.00 very surprising; I expected a small number, but 0.00 is a not only a 0 but a very specific 0. I'd like to see that replicated somehow. CMD (talk) 04:58, 15 February 2026 (UTC)Reply

Thanks

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A note to say thanks for the common sense you've been posting at the WMF VP. I also saw some sensible comments from Sohom. Having enwiki as customers must be nightmarish for the WMF developers, and I assume the liaisons that are forced to engage with us quickly realize they have to discount a great deal of what they hear from us, without having a good way to tell what part to discount. I am embarrassed almost every time I look at the way WMF staff get treated. I have the WMF VP page on my watchlist but I don't have the stomach to read all of it and comment, though I've intermittently done so in other venues in the past. Seeing your comments there is a relief. I appreciate your fairhanded approach (I certainly don't think the WMF can't improve) and I hope you have the stamina to continue there. Thank you. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 17:52, 3 February 2026 (UTC)Reply

Thanks for the note, Mike Christie. I was thinking about this a bit as I sat in on one of my local community board meetings (in NYC, community boards advise various lawmakers and agencies on a range of issues like land use, permits, development deals, zoning, etc.). The meetings are open to the public, and follow a format along the lines of: (1) updates from local representatives; (2) updates on past official business, (3) new official business, (4) the airing of grievances. Frequently, much of the crowd shows up because of a desire to participate (either as a speaker or an audience member) in the last part. Last time this was about a bike lane that some people felt very strongly about. It occurred to me it must be difficult for the board to sit there, seeing the same crowd that shows up anytime things change, and having to assess to what extent attendees represent the neighborhood. There must be a term for the phenomenon in political science or sociology. Let's call it an "intensity bias" subset of selection bias or something -- people who feel the strongest are more likely to self-select and coordinate and are thus overrepresented in any public forum. And when we're talking about discussion of governance structures themselves, as we do with the WMF on that village pump, it's just not realistic to think there's anyone who feels as strongly in a positive direction as all those who feel strongly in a negative direction, so it skews negative. I'd like to see some sort of structure where they look at everyone with more than 5k-10k edits who have been active in the last month, reach out to random N users from that list, and form a discussion involving just them, but then you do lose out on the deep knowledge of the already self-selected. What a hassle! — Rhododendrites talk \\ 17:59, 11 February 2026 (UTC)Reply

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Your comments

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I was re-reading some older stuff. Has it only been five weeks? Your comments at 14:38, 21 June 2026 (UTC) on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents/Possible_off-wiki_canvassing_by_User:Larry_Sanger were spot-on. The code-switching that you mentioned was surprising to me, because he must know that we can see all social media. (Well, I don't do X or FB, but I know that others do.)

Your summary was great. I admire good writing, especially when it crystallizes my own thoughts! Thanks. Interesting and slightly surprising outcome, but I think it was for the best, especially as it relates to "saving editor time arguing in the future". David10244 (talk) 03:10, 29 July 2026 (UTC)Reply

Yellowstone

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I'm glad to see your pictures of Yellowstone, we've been there a half dozen times, but the last was eight years ago. Was it crowded? I realize you don't have a baseline to judge from, but over time the proportion of tour buses with foreign tourists has steeply risen - the park seems to be a bucket-list destination for Chinese and German tourists, but given current events I expect that's not so much now. And the price of gas might have dented visitation for domestic visitors. Acroterion (talk) 13:08, 7 August 2026 (UTC)Reply

@Acroterion: Thanks. Yes, it was my first time. We had a trip to [elsewhere in] Montana on the books and decided to add a couple days, rent a car, and drive down to Yellowstone. Very very glad we did. Probably the most spectacular natural space I've been to (although I still have a long bucket list of my own). We were certainly prepared for crowds, given it was peak season, but the only time we felt it was in a couple bear-based traffic jams. It was hot, and there weren't a lot of bears around, so when a grizzly was spotted in Hayden Valley it drew a crowd even long after it was gone. Probably only saw a couple tour buses, though. I thought it was interesting that the biggest international tour demographics were South Asian, but lots of languages spoken -- we got a scope for the occasion, which means you wind up talking to lots of people as you share a view of a grizzly or some mountain goats. :) All in all, with nothing to compare it to, and expecting throngs of people at the gate, we were quite content with the crowd levels. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 14:29, 7 August 2026 (UTC)Reply
I'm glad you had a good experience and saw critters. Bison jams were a feature even back in 1973, when the 14-year-old me visited for the first time with my parents. It was August, and it briefly snowed. Yellowstone is one of our favorite places, but given the size of the place we've found we have to plan out the day to get the most out of it, preferably staying in the park. We've stayed in the OF Inn a couple of times, which is wonderful late in the evening when things get quiet. It sounds like some of the visitor pressure might have eased, which given NPS funding and staffing cuts, would be a blessing. Acroterion (talk) 14:42, 7 August 2026 (UTC)Reply

You appear to know what you're talking about

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Please see User:WhatamIdoing/Internet hosting costs. I'm looking for errors, omissions, and anything that might need clarification. Additionally, feel free to boldly add links. WhatamIdoing (talk) 22:10, 13 August 2026 (UTC)Reply

@WhatamIdoing: took a month, but got around to checking this out. I made a bold edit you can undo if you want (it's to the introductory text and the headings, not to the list itself). Trying to get right to the point and contrast "hosting costs" from "what it takes to actually operate Wikipedia" (and then beyond that to "what we all expect beyond basic operation"). I think your list includes things from all of those. As for errors and omissions, I think I'd have to pass it off to someone who actually knows what their talking about regarding the back-end of Wikipedia. AntiCompositeNumber and Bawolff are two names that pop into my head. :) — Rhododendrites talk \\ 18:43, 9 September 2026 (UTC)Reply
I had no idea that "hosting costs" was just this little piece of the cost of hosting. I'm more than a little shocked. Guettarda (talk) 21:20, 9 September 2026 (UTC)Reply
I think accounting is a different world, with its own language. WhatamIdoing (talk) 04:26, 10 September 2026 (UTC)Reply
Really, you probably need to talk to someone on the SRE side. Bawolff (talk) 00:06, 10 September 2026 (UTC)Reply
I can't speak to how WMF decides to put what spending in which accounting bucket. A lot of the DC ops stuff is also non-public. Some things that folks may not realize is that unlike many other websites, WMF owns all their own servers and runs their own global network and content delivery network. WMF does use Cloudflare's Magic Transit product, but only when necessary to deal with an attack or routing problem. The connection to the Internet is a little more complicated than just "we pay for it" (see Peering), but WMF definitely does pay for dark fiber and IP transit services. As far as racks go, according to wikitech:SRE/Dc-operations/Common Data center Specifications#Enclosure specifications they have a mix of WMF-owned and datacenter-provided racks, depending on the DC, with the big clusters being WMF-owned. A lot of the day-to-day "please unplug this and plug the new one in" work is done by remote hands provided by the datacenter instead of WMF staff. Bigger jobs are done by WMF DC Ops staff/contractors. Would definitely be best to talk to someone from SRE about this sort of thing, the visibility into exactly how the website is run has gotten worse over time as things have gotten more complicated and more secret. But you've got the big stuff at least. AntiCompositeNumber (they/them) (talk) 00:36, 10 September 2026 (UTC)Reply
Thanks, all. I think that some of this might need to come with footnotes, because some things will vary from site to site. And I think it needs a bunch more links, especially to wikitech: and mw: pages. I'm also thinking about chopping the last half off (ending with the table).
Rhododendrites, I like your changes. WhatamIdoing (talk) 04:21, 10 September 2026 (UTC)Reply

Re: this edit summary

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Hello, I was slightly confused about the edit of yours I linked above, until I noticed this earlier edit by @11WB:, which clarified what happened (and might clarify things for you as well). I'm also OK with this reworking by @KylieTastic:. Graham87 (talk) 16:42, 28 August 2026 (UTC)Reply

@Graham87: Aha, yes that solves it, yes. Just didn't seem to make sense to have a note about "that page" above an RfC. :) Thanks KylieTastic. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 16:50, 28 August 2026 (UTC)Reply
I removed my own comment which is permitted. It no longer made any sense. Thanks for the ping. 11WB 💬 01:26, 29 August 2026 (UTC)Reply

Jason Arday changes

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There was consensus on the talk page to keep opinion pieces. See Midnightblueowl's comments in particular. Can you check if these two changes: 1 2 can be recovered and inserted somehow back in please? They seem be arbitrary or POV pushing if removing comments only on one side. Thank you. Keshetsven (talk) 19:05, 29 August 2026 (UTC)Reply

@Keshetsven: Hi. Just to be clear, you're not talking about edits I've made -- just asking for help with someone else's? If so, I'll take a look but that's probably better for the article talk page. There's certainly not going to be consensus to include all/any opinion pieces, or no opinion pieces, of course. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 17:33, 30 August 2026 (UTC)Reply

Always precious

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Ten years ago, you were found precious. That's what you are, always. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:07, 30 August 2026 (UTC)Reply

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